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mumumugu:
If abortion is murder, then are condoms kidnapping.

condoms could prevent fertilization which creates the new life that is threatened by abortion.

shdemidemi:
What makes you think I don't preach the real gospel?

Common man. People who preach the gospel don't fight against it. They support it.

Pr0ton:
I believe you were hitting your head on poles while typing this. You were engrossed with the activity that you weren't aware of the stupidity you incorporated into your post.

You say...



It baffles me the way Christians define their god without cautioning any implication accompanying their definition. How would a sane person tell me God created me for His plessure and yet tell me that He would blame me for every mistake I make?

A way I can paraphrase your sentence is to cite a Bible verse that has co nnection with it.



And you will still blame my mistakes? My misbehaving is not of my own will. It's of Him that created me for His pleasure. Every action I make has been programmed into my brain which I exhibit. My going to hell is what the Potter finds pleasure in. I shouldn't question Him because that's the way He wants me to live: sin and go to hell.

You'd argue that He gave me a freewill to choose between life and death. But that doesn't make sense. If I have a freewill then He didn't create me for His pleasure, as I'll be living the life I want and not the one He wants, which is no pleasure at all unless you want to say my going doing wrong and going to hell is His pleasure too... I have no business with you.

Lol. Classic. Blaming God for your mistakes. Putting a verse out of context. Nice.

Weah96:
No temptation is strong enough to cause a man to roast himself forever.

Those who "sin" don't really believe in the reality of hell fire, or God for that matter.

you've got it all wrong man.

shdemidemi:
Don't be too quick to predict any thing, you could be wrong you know. Take time to present what the guide says so as not to be thinking or saying egregious imaginatuions of the mind.

Take time to know about God and his love and his power before criticizing people who go about healing the sick and preaching the message that you do not.

Remember, He that answereth a matter before hearing is a fool.

finofaya:
Oga, your God does not love the sinners he sends to hell. The opportunity to repent is afforded both in Islam and in Christianity. A person who dies in a sinful state is punished in both religions. Stop lying for your God.

yeah he does. He loves the sinners he sends to hell. The reason they are eventually sent to hell is because they reject his love and mercy and therefore receive his judgement.

The Christian message is not a religious one. It says that once we accept Gods love and mercy, we're saved. Irrespective of our actions, we're declared righteous. The other messages preach do good, get good, do bad, get bad. But the fact is that no man is good. But through Jesus, we are counted as good and righteous, as our imperfections are washed away by his blood.

Get it?

shdemidemi:
^^^undeniable truth charlatans behind pulpit and religious zealots might perhaps repudiate.

Its nonsense actually. Jesus didn't always heal everyone. Jesus didn't always heal instantly. There's no balance in that excerpt. Unfortunately I'm too indisposed to post verses. Jesus went to a town where he could only heal but a few sick people. And he marvelled because of their unbelief.


I can actually predict the kind of person you are. A conservative, who has many words but no power. A man who knows nothing about the power of God to heal.

pweetixandy:
that ship is proof..being on d top 5 list of richest pastors in d world is proof. E be thief jor. Eziokwu.

to be rich is to be a thief. Nice. Sorry. My bad. To you, to be a rich pastor is to be a thief.

Its appalling ma'am that you have a notion that being rich as a pastor is wrong. How would we be able to give without being rich? How will we be able to showcase the excellence of the kingdom without being rich?

What are your reservations about this man? Do you realize that the very best and most famous gospel singers are bred from his church?
Have you listened to him preach a full sermon before?

Mavor:
Guy you're not a Christian.

why? What does it mean to be a Christian pastor? To be poor and have nothing to give? To have no home and no car and struggle through life?

delishpot:
On the last day, God should get ready o. Me sef get kwesion to ask him after him ask me my own.

You should start asking him now. Don't wait until the last day. You might miss out on some things if you wait until then.

delishpot:
All this waste when people are starving in the streets? If only he used half of that money to sink bore holes/ wells in communities that lack water, or pay small hospital bills for people in need of cash to get treatment, or pay for books for poor kids or build dilapidated class rooms in some village or feed school kids lunch for a week.
Its well, our pastors no dey try at all. Shame.

Lol. You should get to know about someone before you start criticizing him on the news.

Concurrently, Judas also criticized Jesus because he allowed Mary Magdalene to use expensive perfume on his feet.
Yet we know Jesus went about doing good and preaching to the poor too.

Pastor Chris runs inner city missions that helps to equip and save the lives of slum children in Lagos. That's just the public charity part of his ministry. You don't expect him to go about chanting the amount of money and time he gives out of his life to others do you?


Ask yourself this honest question sir: what are the reservations you have about this man and his ministry? Are they mostly based on hearsay? Have you really heard this man preach before? Is this man and his ministry blessing millions of lives along the globe? Is he healing people along the globe?

Remember Jesus the Christ was also a very controversial person. He was called a glutton and a drunkard by people of his day. He was called demon possessed. And the veracity of his healings were blamed on demons.

The truth is normally fought against most by the devil. The real word that changes lives.

God bless you.

Myles Munroe was a great leader of the Church as far as I'm concerned.

Lol. Its always people preaching a lost and valuable message of the Church that are criticized the most and spoken of the most and opposed the most by Satan, inspire of the wonderful fruit they produce. By their fruits you shall know them.


Joseph Prince, Benny Jinn, TD Jakes, Myles Munroe, Even Chris Oyakhilome

Dapo777:
You just did the same now bro. It's in ur blood u can't do without insult,u just insulted me now by calling me a foolish man. I hope you believe now that insult is your language. When you are in Rome,speak the Roman language.

A leopard can never change its spot. Insult is part of you and other typical Christians. You are in the same shoes. You are not different from others.

See. When baseless insults are thrown around, nothing is done. No ground is covered. Only feelings of hate are generated.

Speak civilly.

Dapo777:
Question for the gods.

Who cares What you think?

Insult is the only language Christians understand, So I have to speak their language for them to understand me.

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Your words are like violent ravings of a foolish man. Who will take you seriously. Who will pay attention to anything you have to say?

You're like a violent fundamentalist. And if you think insults will help you pass views across, then you are mistaken. Insults will only make us shake our heads in pity at what the circumstances of this world has turned a man like you into. A bitter insult-throwing maniac.

macof:
Am I the only one seeing this dudes madness

The bold is like saying Money is useless because it has to be spent by a human to be useful
damn! My kids can never worship a dead jew, too much of dead jew worshipping has affected ur brain

Idiocy. Give money to a monkey then. Will it be useful to it? No. Because it can't make anything useful out of it.
Or give me Canadian dollars to spend while I'm in the US and see if it will be useful to me if I don't convert it into USD's. See?

Without us utilizing and converting and harnessing the energy around us, useful work can never be done. Development can never occur. Creation and order cannot be sustained!

Thou foolish man!

This points even more to the fact that energy by itself cannot be the precursor of what we see in the universe, the order. One had to be there; self-existent and the source of all things, including energy. This is the One who laid the foundations of the universe and order. He is defined as God. He has revealed himself through the ages of time.

Next time you will have to gimme a paycheck for teaching you these basic things again.

Pantheism has ruined your head.

The unfortunate issue is that you will come along with another thoughtless comeback after this...smh

JackBizzle:
So is God responsible for the failed galaxies and planets?
Is God responsible for the cancerous aspect of the sun?
Did God fashion ebola and flesh eating bacteria from his supernatural hand?

Faults present in creation doesn't mean everything is random. No.

macof:
The Sun does nothing?? Lmao
The Sun holds ur planet and many others
The Sun supplies light and heat to billions of miles away from it

it's ur father who makes the Sun do all this in his backyard abi?

And Yes, My creator is best described scientifically as Energy
Energy is the only thing self existent in the entire universe
I don't do myths and carry them as reality, I understand the symbolism and metaphor then decode it to fit in my reality
Without energy nothing would exist talkless of be active...energy makes all things active
The fact that you don't deny you need energy to move is enough to show u how stuupid you are to say energy is useless
Your entire body is walking energy

Ok let me play ur game... solar energy is useless without being harnessed? And then wat is ur humanoid god useful for? A god that can't affect the lives of his creation
A god that is busy preparing hell instead of protecting Christians against boko haram
A god that looks on when a Christian can't pay his house rent
Ur god is the perfect example of useless..useless to himself, useless to the universe

the sun provides energy that is useless without being harnessed by the organisms.
Energy can only be harnessed to produce useful work.

The sun doesn't hold up this planet. We take advantage of its light and heat.

Until you demonstrate to me how energy gave rise to everything around us, including order, you remain a joker.

Don't repeat yourself again. If you have nothing new to say, forget about it.

Plaetton, you hope so much in science. You have so much faith that science would be able to give you answers.

Unfortunately you are very wrong. There is a spiritual realm. We deal with this realm and are people of this realm.
And until you have a basic foundation of understanding of our origins and relationships with the spiritual and the physical, you will never be free of your questions. The answer is already here, and you cannot reject the truth and hope to be vindicated and answered by fantasical lies of falsely-dignified humanity.

plaetton:
Hhmm.
A careful analysis shows that every single sentence in the above post contradicts the one before it.
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Faith in god enhances reason?

I can't stop laughing.

elaborate on the contradictions.

And yes. Faith in God establishes and enhances your reasoning and thought and perception and confidence, everything about your life. Lack of faith in god makes men deteriorate in common sense and thought in most areas of life as is shown in your case.

Kay17:
This is almost nonsensical. We have agree "love" is some sort of action independent from persons. I can't make sense of "Jesus loves me" if the love means Jesus.

Jesus is love. And he is the purest example of what love does and who love is. He is love personified. You do not know true love if you do not know him.

macof:
you are a disgrace to your parents as u wasted their money without getting a thing from school

The Sun is energy acting on it's own
The planet earth and all things on it are energy active without human harness, in the entire universe only Energy truly exists - this is a scientific and spiritual(spirituality) fact
So unless u have a different thing in ur head called energy I have to say you need to go back to school cus u are no different from a stack illiterate

you are the one who didn't seem to do basic biology in secondary school. Or maybe you can't think enough to realize that even the solar energy is useless haphazard energy if it is not harnessed by living organisms. The living organisms harness the energy, not the other way round.

What does the sun do acting on its own? Nothing. Is the sun conscious? No.
Is energy self-existent? Macof says it is. Also implying it is all powerful and yet hypocritically forgetting how useless this a powerful creator of his is without his own manipulation of his creator. His creator is also useless to the most basic form of movement-life in this world, they all harness and take advantage of his creator to become effective in environments.

Shallow thinking.

Kay17:
Is healthy skepticism tolerable with Faith?

for the Christian. 'Faith' is inconsequential and foolish even.

Faith in God is the real deal. And there's no skepticism when it comes to him.

One other thing is that under genuine faith in God, reason is enhanced, not choked. This is the difference between a saved man and a religious bigot

Kay17:
@mizmycoli

I have always wanted to settle this issue of love with you, because your posts have the strongest conviction in love as the viable way of life and most important "element" in the Universe.

Although it is difficult to define love, but we can agree that we both know intuitively what love is and what is expected of it. Can we agree love is an emotion?

love is a person: Jesus Christ. Wow. I really love talking about love.

Its the story of mans salvation you see. A love story.

Love is not an emotion. It is not a feeling.

This is love kay17: not that kay17 loved God, but that he loved her, and gave Jesus as a ransom for her wrongdoing.

We can start from there

Pr0ton:
Q8. If God is Omnipresent doesn't that mean He exists in hell too?

Q9. If truly we have a freewill, the ability to make your own choice and decision, then how authentic is God's Omniscience?

Q10. Of what use is God's existence?

yo! Most of your questions are foolish. And you would not have any regard for the truth of the answers I'd give.


But lemme just say one thing:

You were made for Gods pressure, not the other way round. He doesn't need you to keep on living, he is not a notion. He only needs you to believe in his salvation and be saved from the judgement of your sins.


God extends salvation and righteousness and holiness and blamelessness as a free gift in Jesus Christ. Its right believing, and not right doing that gets us saved. To whom it may concern.

macof:
Plaetton this is epic

We however know that the religious mind would refuse to call his God energy because a religious mind only sees myths as reality. So to him God acts like a humanoid

Like joshthefirst, a religious person would rather make a fool of himself by saying Energy has a creator which is God, who lives in heaven watching our every move as he prepares hell for those who refuse to worship his son who was actually a Jewish man

Lol. See insults abeg.

Coming from someone who believes energy is conscious and self existent and the precursor of the order and disorder we see around us?

Energy, raw energy, that cannot perform useful uphill work without being HARNESSED is what this guy calls God, is what he believes to be self-existent and all powerful?

You are a man who takes advantage of and manipulates this almighty energy we see in the universe. You are greater than energy mehn. Try to think. You are indeed greater than the inanimate god you worship and esteem so highly. Pitiful.

As for me OTOH, my God is the conscious creator of the universe. I revel in his grace.

Keep decieving yourself by foolishly acknowledging the very energy we manipulate as all powerful in an effort to dodge truth.

Gombs:
^^
Ah! Finally.

A quick question mate! What part of hell did Jesus defeat the Devil as a man, and collected the Adamic authority and power of death? Secondly, what part of hell was he dragged to after He was made sin, and the Farher separated from Him? I see you concluded He went to Hades, where men like Abraham were, question, were those there in Hades with sin? Why then one who’s made sin went there with them?

Jesus' death and resurrection defeated the Devil.

He was made sin, and sin was killed on the cross.
His death paid the price.

The bible gives us the reasons he went to hell: to take up the Spirits of those saints of the old covenant into heaven(these ones resurrected and came out of the grave after him) and to proclaim victory to the spirits bound.

So Paradise is empty. Abraham and the other saints of old are in heaven now. And hell is totally a place of darkness and torment. No longer two parts.

davien:
Okay.....lol!

really?.....when you look at our asteroid field....what plan....pattern....plot..fulfilled roles....or mode of formation can you deduce? ....
lemme guess "god-did-it" a.k.a magic
you keep on asserting things as being created but cannot provide a determinant to separate what is designed and what is9 not nor could you even make valid your definition of how you think everything or all things are designed......so if everything doesn't concur with your "everything has a purpose" mentality.....why would you continue to bolster it as true?!

ARE YOU A CREATIONIST?

[b] lol....i would honestly acknowledge a "creator" if indeed such things exist....whatever that may be.....and i can barely call the universe orderly when it has successfully killed 9/10 of all living species past and present through 5 massive extinctions......

That you see elements of chaos does not give you any incentive to deny astounding design. Its like pointing to a computer system and saying it wasn't designed because you notice viruses in it.
You have no excuse. Your very excuses resonate against you. You point out to defects in design as evidence of no design at all? Laughable.

You hide behind 'critical analyzing'. Lol. Friend, if you critically analyze anything at all, you'd realize Gods finger prints
You have already. You adamantly refuse to acknowledge God because you want to continue your life independent of his rule.

davien: and i know from biology that 2 individuals can never re-populate a species successfully without genetic defects......50 would be a good number to start.......and i can hardly call someone who calls into question a "virgin birth" compared to someone who accepts it without evidence nor question "close-minded"
and i understand perfectly why i sound "foolish" to you....because i critically examine the "god claims".....that is how things are determined to be true....you critically examine it....critical thinking joshthefirst not wishful thinking about dragons ..... [/b]

Nonsense.

Lol.
Take a look at the long flexor tendons of the human fingers.

And I choose to ignore that side tracking of species repopulation. I would address it later.

davien:
No it is not....plaetton realizes that the things we call designed aren't termed so because of order or beauty....no...
we term things designed because we have no examples of them having any natural origin.....[b]you can hold up a clock and a twig in your hand and come to the conclusion that clocks....whether intricate or simple....do not occur naturally and then look at the twig....no matter its appearance or beauty and come to the conclusion that all examples of twigs show them to occur naturally.......
so what did SNCOQ3 compare to realize everything is designed or rather what would an undesigned universe appear to be? [/b]

No Sir you are very wrong.
And the example you gave is your very downfall.

We call things designed because we see a plan to them, a pattern, a plot, an intention. We see them fulfilling particular roles in the universe and we realize that they must have had a maker, a mastermind, a creator with a specific purpose and intent for them

You on the other hand in an effort not to be responsible or answerable to this creator and his purpose for tour life hold up a clock and acknowledge its human design and look up at the sky and orderly universe and look into the biochemistry of life as a biochemist. You look at the human mind and eye and the anatomy of living things and refuse to acknowledge their creator. You resort to foolishness and dodging.

You are closeminded. And you refuse to acknowledge truth.

plaetton:
Since you are so quick to attribute mathematical laws that produce random events as proof of intelligent design, then let me repeat the question that davien asked you.

Do you have any proof or examples of a universe that is not orderly and designed, so that we can compare, and then be able to say "yes, this universe is surely designed"?

Lol. This is quite cowardly and foolish.

davien:
The false dichotomy on this thread stinks to high heaven.....how is the rejection of "intelligent design" imply "random design"?
This is a typical theist mentality...either you accept their ideas or you are the opposite ...same with how by disproving theory A means assertion B is correct
....and can someone tell me what the asteroid belt is "designed" to do?... or what the increasing entropy of the universe is good for?
and why in the blazes are floaters in the eye meant to do?

Lol. You are the one being hypocritical.

Maybe the increasing entropy of the universe is to show people like you there must have been one to harness it into useful creation in the beginning.

plaetton:
I took my time to ponder and fully understand your question, especially in the context of evolution.

But , as luck would have it, and as I am sure even you can see that from the bolded, you have actually rendered your own question null and void.
It is a question that does not make any sense if you accept the bolded as true.

And that is one thing I love about you Josh, .. Your last statements always seem to contradict your first.
lol.

please answer the questions in the last paragraph. Educate me.

davien:
yes and no.....yes in the aspect that there are mutations that purely give advantageous benefits without any interaction with external forces and no in the aspect that neutral mutations becomes useful by natural selection...

Have you come across any mutations that give advantageous benefits that occur in nature spontaneously?