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frosbel: Christians often say that when we die we are immediately transported to heaven where there is everlasting joy, peace etc.

But if it where so, why are some of us believers the most cowardly in the face of death, why do we fight to stay alive, use seatbelts in our cars, eat healthy food, take medicine , scream ' In Jesus name ' when there is a small wobbling of a plane in the sky , curse those who want to bring death to us and ask God to rain down fire on our enemies.

Surely if we enter heaven after death, we should all start celebrating death and delete scriptures such as ' oh death where is thy sting ' or ' the final enemy to overcome is death '.

So tell me , why are you scared of dying O Christian for heaven awaits thee on the other side.

that we know we're going to heaven when we die does not mean we should make ourselves prone to death. That would be foolish. We have things to do.

I am not scares of dying. Like Paul, for me to live is Christ and to die is gain. And I will stay and live to keep changing men's lives until it is time for me to go.

Spuggie: Over to you.......... mega pastors, who bought jets for evangelism, now your expertise, grace and gifts is needed in iraq where christians are persecuted.....go and minister to this terrorists, they too need Christ

this is all you can say?


I understand even more why the days of God's wrath on earth will be both horrific and just.

Wickedness

frank317: Mr josh you sound confused...you are asking people to accept christ which is the only way ones since can be whiped away and only way to heaven,
Then u say people don't go to hell for the wrong religion...
Pls if I may ask, can I be a muslim, pagan or budist and go to heaven? Have u ever seen anyone who is a muslin or pagan and still claiming jesus as his personal lord and saviour?
You condemn other religions yet you deny in and you still call another a liar.
Well, rmember, you are indirectly condemning yourself when you condenm others.

accepting Christ is not accepting religion.

Other religions have no antidote for sin. Religion has no antidote for sin.

It was foolish of you and other close-minded men to equate Jesus Christ with religion. When did I imply such?

Again, wrongness and sin is shown by how peoples lives are. And you are guilty. No other person in any other place has the antidote for guilty sinners, only Jesus. Rejecting him is not rejecting any religion, it only means you reject the only antidote for your horrible situation, and will pay for your own sins in hell.

This has nothing to do with religious background foolish men. The muslim is still under the condemnation of wrong doing, the buddhist also. All have done wrong.

And there is a solution to wrong doing. I have said that already. Rejection of the solution does not mean rejection or acceptance of any religious standing. It means rejection of your only hope of salvation.

People go to hell primary for sin. Thieving, lust, pride, greed, not necessarily for religious/irreligious standing. You will go to hell for these as far as you reject salvation.


I've broken it down well enough.
I have no time for foolish thinking and close-minded streamlining.

I will ignore any other foolish question.

TheBigUrban2: So you have changed your faith?

If not doing sin is the way to heaven, then surely, atheists, pagans muslims and buddhists can go to heaven?

It is now by works and not faith to go to heaven?


No need to be in the right religion or believe in christ?

religion has nothing to do with salvation. And salvation is by faith. I never said not doing sin is the way to heaven. You are already full of sin. You're already guilty, even if you don't sin anymore for the rest of your life, which is frankly impossible, you're condemned already because of the sins you've already commited. Good does not wipe away bad. No amount of good water will cleanse a bad fountain.

Your only hope is trust in Christ's salvation, as he has borne your punishment and redeemed you. Christ is not common to any particular religion or the source of any religion for pete's sake. He's the saviour of all. Through him you can change your nature(the source of the fountain), and become a new man.

But if you reject him, you reject salvation, and the only hope of man.

Accept him today.

Gombs: yesso!
was under tyoden's reign,stayed at naraguta hostel b block.
witnessed only one aluta

We plenty jare

I used to stay at naraguta block b before.

That's all I can say Shaa.

FrancisTony: Frosbel isn't lieing.

Rather, you and your cohort is deceiving yourself.

If we go by biblical anology or explanation, the tongue is supposed to be understood by people around you.

So, y'all are speaking bullcrap.

no actually.

Read your bible well.

Tongues are for edification of the spirit, incomprehensible to the mind.


But tongues should not be taught. They should be inspired by the Spirit.

I advise you to be filled with the Spirit, and speak in tongues as freqently as you can.

AlfaSeltzer: For his entire miserable 33 years spent in middle eastern desert, this jesus that xtians are hurting theirselves about did nothing good. Not one thing.
So I dare you reading this to tell me just one thing this wifeless man did that was good.

he healed people, and he'll cast your master off to hell for good very soon, and you with him, if you don't change.

TheBigUrban2:

You just happened to be born-

a) at the right time that Nigeria was christian (after being colonized by European christians)
b) into the right family (a christian family)
c) into the right religion.


Had a) or b) not happened, you would have been a muslim/pagan.


If only you could see how SELFISH, ARROGANT AND SILLY you look when you claim that others are going to hell because you are in the right religion

and you just happen to be blind and foolish. People don't go to hell for not being in the right religion. I never claimed that. People go to hell for sin. For wrong doing. For lying and stealing and cheating and lust and greed.

You are currently a candidate of hell. Because you're guilty of sin.

You are in deeper trouble, because the solution is preached over and over again, but you foolishly remain blind and refuse it.

There is a man who takes away sin. Receive his salvation, or remain a candidate of hell. Nothing to do with religion.

Stop disturbing me with tales of men born of old. God will judge them differently. But you have heard this message, and you will be judged by it. You and all others who loftily rebel against Gods kingdom.

The wages of sin is death. Religious or irreligious.

Don't be foolish enough to again add words and assumptions where I have added none.

GooseBaba: Op...first things first.. Hell is for Christians/Muslims.

Secondly, marijuana is a natural plant. Humans labeled it illegal. I never knew you could lose your salvation from common leaf that can be used to baked cookies and prepare soup.

Thirdly, what is the difference between killing with a gun and killing with a rusty machete..

Fourthly, if homosextuality is wrong in the sight of your god.. Where was he when satan downloaded the homo software into his creation..

In closing, this is what happens when people live out their delusion. They keep making stuff up to satisfy their deluded higher morality..

sorry. Hell is for sinners. Religious/irreligious alike. So you're going to hell. Unless you embrace the solution to sin: Jesus Christ.

Until then, you're hell bound. Evil must be punished. The wages of sin is death.

I'm not trying to scare you. I'm only trying to educate you and give you the real picture of the situation you are in. For you are blind.

Sorry, but I'm here to show you your wild thoughts are inconsistent with reality. Its part of my job you see.

Jbond: Africans today as we all know are far more religious than the white race, though christianity came to africa through the whites, but looking at what is happening today in d western world, its obvious we Africans are more closer to God, churches can be found in every corner in African countries (Nigeria to be precise) not minding the fact that some of the pastors are fake, we believe in God and pray more often, though am far from been righteous but I believe in God, and same with nairalanders if am not mistaken.

sorry, but an abundance of churches and religious activities don't signify closeness to God. Nature of life does. Evil people go to church too.

Believing in God and praying also does not get anyone close to God. That's just being religious. Evil people and leaders believe in God too. Even pray to him

And sorry, believing in God doesn't make YOU a candidate of heaven also. You have said you are far from righteous. That means you ain't going to heaven. You're going to hell. Only righteous people go to heaven.

Jbond: Immorality is present in the world, but in the western world its more rampant and even legalised, take gun possesion for example which is legal in the western world which has given rise to unnecessary shootings and killings, homosexuality, marijuana which is legal in some states in America and most states would legalise it too in no time. In African countries, such vices are not legal, though they are practiced but its not rampant. In the western world, they have a lot of scientist that don't believe in God or creation but rather believe in evolution, and they mislead their people too, so with this and many others I dint mention, I believe Africans would make heaven more than the whites, and am sure my fellow nairalanders would agree with me.

Sorry. America may be perverse. But we're perverse here too. Almost even more. Wrong is wrong. Here we have thieves and wicked men. Here we have cheats and liars. Americans may be bad, but we're bad also. Everyone has a form of evil, and God accepts none. Theres no relativity or outweighing here. God is perfect you see.

So until men have their natures changed and begin to profess righteousness by their actions as well, they're condemned. Heading for hell.

What a pathetic Church that must have been. For them to teach people how to speak in tongues. Smh.

mazaje: My parents are not atheist. . In fact they don't even know what atheism is. . .

good. I hope you get my point.

mazaje: If you were not born into any religion then why did you end up as a christian?. . .Are your parents not christians?. . .Where you not taken to sunday school?. . .Why do you deny that allah is god when close to 2 billion people accept him as god?. . .What about Brahama?. .About 1 billion Hindus accept him as the supreme god. . .All these people also responded personally to these gods I have mentioned so why is your own case different?. . .

you are an atheist only because you were born into an atheist home.

mazaje: The ONLY reason you are here telling me about the truth of your religion is because you were born into it. . .If you were born into a muslim or hindus home it will be a different trut you will be preaching. . .That is the fact. . .

nonsense. I was not born into any religion, my faith is the result of my response to God personally. That is fact. What sort of dog headed dogmatism is this?

mazaje: The many lies you keep bandying so that you can sleep comfortably at night. . .Why should a muslims who has been indoctrinated with islam as the right religion and christianity as the wrong religion accept christianity? What about a hindus that has also been indoctrinated with the religion as the only right religion since childhood? Why should he accpet your own lies?. . .. . .If you were born into a muslism home Allah and Mohammed his last messenger is what you will be preaching and defending here, many are doing it on this thread, by the way which wrong doing do you keep talking about. . Where is the evidence to show that christians are morally better than non christians?. . .Where is it?. . .You as a person are NOT more morally upright than many atheist, muslims, hindus, taoist etc. . You are just another person simple. . .This ridiculous lie you guys keep telling yourselves needs to stop. . .

truth is truth. When I preach truth to someone it is his duty to accept it and trust in its reward. Whether he has been told lies from Childhood or not.

This is not about being morally upright. It is primarily about being morally accountable. It is also not about religion. You have done wrong in your life. We all have. We're all guilty. The good news is that someone has paid for our crimes and we get saved by trusting him. Refusal and rebellion would only make you pay the full price for your sins.

uzoexcel: just a question?if u were born a chinese? wat would be ur position on this? then what judgement would be passed on the billions of atheists chinese/asians?

to my answer you'll ask another irrelevant question to serve as a yardstick for your rebellion.

It doesn't matter where you're born. If you hear the gospel and reject it, you stand condemned.

The gospel is being preached in China too. Some hear this message and accept it. Others continue in rebellion.

Your place of birth is irrelevant when the message reaches your ears. Your reaction to the message is paramount. And your answer is up to you, not your geographical location.

The gospel is being preached. Those who accept it and repent from their wrong doing are saved, those who reject it because of the love of wrongdoing will pay for their wrongdoing in full. The wages of sin is death.

frosbel: There is no Christian GOD.

God is for ALL, he has no religious affiliation.

yes. He has no religious affiliation. I didn't want to start an argument with him.

uzoexcel: if he did that, i wouldnt v a problem..though we would have to subject him to medical evaluations and make high level tests to be sure it aint a sham...too many false prophets have done the same since time immemorial

though between God cant do that..he would send someone and not himself...thats how its always been

Lol.


Which kind of tests would you carry out on God? A spiritual being?


And yes. You'd still have problems. You'd still doubt.

Many true prophets have come and gone also. They've worked signs and preached repentance yet you don't believe.

They're even around now. Yet you choose not to listen and you choose to doubt their message inspite of the miracles happening right next door.

Jesus also came. He came as our kinsman. But he was not just a man. He was God. Yes. God has actually come to confirm his word before. He came once. Be broke into our realm and was born among us. People saw him do God-things and bore witness. But men like you still doubted.

Others believed though. And it was written down so you'd believe also. Men still come around and preach, and God still confirms his word. But men like you still doubt and throw tantrums of rebellion, thinking they're smart.

God came the first time to save. The next time he'll come in all his glory to judge.

uzoexcel: u mean the xtian God?or catholic God?or Allah? or krishna?the jehovah witnesses idea of God is different from the catholic idea of a God.so u gotta be specific . i think u shouldav asked me first what God i believe in?u dunno if my religion depicts God as a holy ram or according to my indians friends as a cow and if God came in that form, i sure would as a talking cow would be an anomaly

but seriously i dnt get the direction of the question

The Christian God.

Kay17 needs direct validation of scripture by God himself coming down from heaven.

There're many issues to that, but what if God came down from heaven and worked a miracle, why would you not still choose to doubt?

uzoexcel: Touche...nice comeback though

if God came to confirm the bible for you, how would you recognize him?

uzoexcel: wat if u was born a muslim? would u still hold ds same views?

as Texanomaly said, mohhmed said he got his inspiration for the Koran from God.do u doubt him? and lastly while are there so much similar characters/stories between the bible and koran?surely if u deny one of these books and all it contains, we might as well deny the other.


and lastly and i said in this link, https://www.nairaland.com/1824358/lets-us-brainstorm-learn-each
why is there no mention of the dinosaurs in genesis?

there is no mention of spiders in genesis too.

I have supernatural confirmation of the bible.

frosbel: Atheist and others are turned off by :

1. The condemning, judgemental and condescending behaviour of most believers, Nigerian ones especially.
2. Inability to kindly and humbly explain complex but valid questions on biblical contradictions and errors.
3. Dogmatic and fanatical adherence to myths and fables in the light of common logic.
4. Exclusiveness mentality , i.e them vs us.
5. Proliferation of denominations and churches with no true impact to the the lives of real men and women
6. Unchristlike behaviour of many Christians.
7. HELL for ever and ever world without end , making God to be 1000 times worse than SATAN
8. Weird and strange manifestations in the house of GOD which creates confusion.
9. Exploitation of the poor and impoverished through false and fake money collections called tithes which almost never goes to the needy.

Chew on these for now.

there's a problem of hypocrisy and dogmatism yes, but we still have people who profess what they believe and profess it adequately.

None of the above reasons will be accepted by God on judgement day for the question: 'WHY DIDN'T YOU ACCEPT THE TRUTH'?
IN THE END, THERE'S NO EXCUSE.

AlfaSeltzer: Dy who?

by 'what' you mean. By the 'fire' of course. We don't know if the fire is literal shaa

AlfaSeltzer: So you think Satan will ignore those that insult him and punish those that worship him?

Lol. Satan will be tormented in hell too.

Kay17: But it is not directly from God.

nonsense.
What do you want?

What is available is more than enough confirmation and evidence. When next God personally enters our realm. It will be to end it in judgement.

Kay17: True.

However God is the sole validator. His validation would be direct. Because the trust you place on the Bible, can be placed on any other holy book.

of course the bible is validated supernaturally. But you dismiss its validation every time. Whichever way it is, you'd still doubt. No one can force a man to acknowledge the truth before him. He must do that himself.

Kay17: The divine inspiration of the bible is very difficult to pinpoint especially when there is no criteria dictated by an external source other than the bible.

an external source would have to be confirmed by another and another. An endless and foolish cycle.

The bible is a spiritual book written to a specific people of which you are not a part.

Only when you respond to the message will you be able to appreciate and realize the truth the written word provides.

frosbel: I absolutely agree with you, it does not diminish his power and coming reign, but we should stop lying for Jesus, Truth must prevail at all times.

In fact , I dare say that may are put off from the Christian faith because of the fanatical and Jihadistic way we defend myths and fables.

truth locates truthful people. If we lie to ourselves, truth eludes us, because the spirit of truth does not deal with proud men. and only proud men hang on to lies.

I miss this thread.

wiegraf: Would you look at this. Despite all the sattelites we have etc. Let's not even get into oceans, last I recall we've only explored maybe 10% of it (don't take my word for it though, can't remember exactly)

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/aug/01/amazon-tribe-first-contact-video

Sad that this people will never make it to heaven, as they've never encountered our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ

Filthy, dirty, naked, sinful... *spits at them*

They deserve to end up in hell

People go to hell for doing wrong. Not for 'not encountering Jesus'

Those people have never heard the gospel of Christ. So they will be judged differently by God.

You otoh have heard and resisted the truth of good news pitifully like an evil man. Pointing at different scenarios to justify your wickedness and disregard for the truth. You will receive greater punishment.


And people go to hell for doing wrong. Not for 'not encountering Jesus'

Hi people. My word for today: THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS LOST ON LIARS, TRUTH ELUDES PROUD MEN.


Write it down. Don't let the wisdom be lost on you.