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[quote author=david_hume]Hope you know that 15-20% of recognised pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion!

What does God have against these unborn babies?[/quote]why blame God.

But listen to yourself man. Think. You hate God then, but you blame him for spontaneous abortion and use it to justify mass murder and intentional abortion?!

I weep for you. I weep for the child denied a chance to live. I weep for the child encouraged in godlessness.

plaetton: Dohhhh!

How many times does one have to repeat it to these bible-heads?
Atheism is not a philosophical proposition .
It is simply a repudiation of a proposition by simply pointing out the non-appearance, not-detectibility and zero proof of the suspiciously invisible god.
An atheists only has to ask " where is god?". I should be able to see and hear god just like you do.
If I do not, then god probably does not exist.

Secondly, I have never put forward my lifestyle as being perfect .
Perfect as compared to what? Adam and Eve? Sky daddy's host of Angels?

If sky-daddy's angels could rebel against him long before the creation of man, then isn't it quite idiotic to blame man, a latecomer and a celestial new-born for the problems of the universe?

What is a perfect life, whom do you know that has ever lived it?

Get serious and start thinking before you post.

take your own advise and start thinking before you post. I asked a simple question. How do we know your atheism, your repudiation of God is correct and backed up by reality? How does it counter the basis of mybelief and knowledge of God in real life?
And you reply by typing nonsense about perfection and other nonsense about angels.
Seriously did you read your post?
I might as well tell you your wife doesn't exist then. I've never heard from her or seen her. Or oxygen does not exist.

In the laboratory, silly rabbit.
That is where most of the truths of the universe have been gleamed and determined in just over the last few hundred years.

seriously? You're making me get hyped up you know. Do you have any idea how many so called truths of the universe have been refuted and adjusted and speculated during the last few hundred years? Smh.

Absolutely sir.

I am living in the freest era of human history.
I am not a slave, nor a surf.
I have the right of self-determination.
I enjoy fundamental rights and dignity as a human being.

I have freedom of association and freedom of religion, as well as an inalienable right to reject same.

I am free from the guilt of any sins or crimes committed by my ancestors, right back to the mythical Adam and eve.
I owe no sacrifice in blood or currency to any invisible man or spirit in the sky.
[size=20pt]I am free to take full responsibility for all my actions,[/size] and not live under a false illusion of forgiveness, or of another mythical human/spirit washing away my sins.

I am free to use my evolved faculties of thought and discernment to think, imagine and project the best possible scenarios for for peace , harmony and the protection and enhancement of human dignity everywhere.

Humans have come a long way , and are quite capable of evolving laws and systems that achieve the above desired goal.

No invisible schizophrenic sky- fairy is included or Needed.

its good you know you're supposed to take responsibility for your actions, and you also know that your actions have been imperfect...we all know where this is going.....



But it is foolishness to call forgiveness an illusion sir.

plaetton: Lol.
Haba!
Am I dreaming or what?

This is the first rational truth that I have read from you.
I will save it for future references: not for blackmail, but just as an occasional reminder when you express shallowness or hypocrisy.

But, well done.



Haba!

Where have I heard that before?

I guess my optimism that was very short-lived .

To what dept have you studied Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhaism, even African Traditional Religions?



Same can be said of every religion and every form of belief.
In fact, that you know what you believe is simply another way of saying that you have molded your beliefs to suit your lifestyle, personality or your uniformed worldview.

"my religion is the true one , my beliefs are the truth and my god is perfect"
lol!
So what else is new?

nothing is new.

How do we know your atheistic beliefs are right?

Your lifestyle??

I never molded my beliefs to suit my lifestyle....my life simply changed.


How do we know the truth.

It sets men free?
Are you a free man?

Yes? You're free from obeying those rules? From retarde.d thinking? From exploitation of greedy men?

What are you free from sir?
Can you answer me this question?

Uyi Iredia: But the claim is not unique to Jesus. Before Jesus were other prophets. We know of Buddha. We know Mithra was a god with considerable following. In fact, Islam says follow Muhammad (PBUH) and be free of sin, they also respect Jesus (PBUH) as a prophet. But you and other Christians deny Muhammad as a prophet. Some even say he's a devil agent.

Also just saying yoir life backs up yoir claim is what many cult founder do or they use some other means of authority to vlaim legitimacy. Many readily use God.

Jn any case, I am not sure I see a willingness to see yours vould be a lie. Umm, just to ask. What do you know of Hinduism, ancient Babylonian worship and African traditional religions.

I know none of those deal with the sin problem that bedraggles all mankind.

Jesus dealt with the sin problem.

African traditional religions don't deal with sin. Buddha realized he was an imperfect human being.

You cannot use comparative religious beliefs to back up your claims because christianity is more than a belief system or form of worship.

Many readily use God, but look at their life styles. Give me examples of some who dared use a free life to back up their claims of truth.

Only Jesus I know was the first to use a free life.

He said "can any of you accuse me of sin?"


People all the time try to reduce this strong stuff that actively denies religion to religious practices itself. But when they see the real deal, they recognize it.

I've read of hinduism, I know of african traditional religion. These dop not solve the basic problem. They dance around the problem.

Uyi Iredia: Calm down o ! You are a Christian. You follow, or better yet, luve by a religion.



Many Christians, and believe it, popular pastors of today will claim the same.



Sure. What many Christians will say. One some special mission to redeem a sullied Christianity and usher a new spirit. You even have crackpots like Marilyn Manson amongst them. Pat Robertson comes close.

my life backs up my claim.

Which is your religion ? So why do you think your difference counts and the rest are trash. Is that what you think ? Please say.

Culled from introductiongalatians; the message remix:

"When men and women get their hands on religion, one of the first things they do is turn it into an instrument for controlling others, either putting or keeping them "in their place". The history of such religious manipulation and coercion is long and tedious. It is little wonder that people who have known religion on such terms experience release or escape from it as freedom. The problem is that the freedom turns out to be short-lived."


Life is more than religion you see. Christianity is more than religion. The cure for all of mans ailments is Jesus Christ. It is him that I subscribe to. I am his disciple. Religion only keeps people in bondage of rules. And atheism only gives seeming relief to those truly in bondage of sin.

I've quoted this verses many times. People seem to ignore its intensity, maybe their hearts are hardened. I pray you will read this verses from the bible with all honesty and sincerity and ponder and think:

Matthew 11:28-30 "Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you'll recover your life. I'll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won't lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you'll learn to live freely and lightly."(The Message)


The real rest I have found in Christ Jesus is rest from the burdens of sin.

Nice thread.

Religion is shallow and hypocritical.

But its different with me shaa. I've examined every other with an open mind, even christianity, and I've seen futility.

But now, I know what I believe. Depth of life, reality. Deep stuff about knowlge of God. I've had doubts before, but they've been resolved.

I've seen the difference between religion and life. I know the difference, and by God, I'm living the difference.

rationalmind: Shut up and re-read my previous statement. I said you never doubted if bolaino was an atheist before. At least, if u did, u never showed it.

who said I never doubted or I doubted? I only realize that he has been saved after publicly proffesing unbelief. Smh.

Why is it that when some of us now claim we were former christians and now atheists, you say we were never christians. That is the height of foolishnes.s

nonsense. Why would I stand still while you obviously make false claims with the motive of downgrading christianity itself? Mtchew.

Claiming you were christian and publicly continuing in sin. Yuzedo might as well claim he's a christian too.

HumbledbYGrace: are you saying I should make favours because christians are the ones chit chatting here?

The reason I haven't done anything is because the mod is involved and he knows the rules well, I am not going to start lecturing him on what he already knows.

no ma'am, that's not what I'm saying. I believe no one is against the idea of general chit-chat on this thread(christians and non-christians alike).

I think I even remember striktlymi appealing to the authority to allow small talk and comments on this thread in the beginning.

rationalmind: In essence, I wasn't a christian likewise.

But is it that these people genuinely choose to be fooli.sh?

This same Josh was thanking God on a particular thread on behalf of an atheist who is now a christian. He even did the same with Bolaino. He never doubted bolaino and the dude weren't atheists before but when an atheist says he was once a christian, he(and many others start saying he was never a christian)

please is it that your butthurt against me makes you try to downgrade and destroy me?

Show publicly where I claimed bolaino was an atheist here or be shamed.

I thanked God he was now a christian, I didn't start claiming he was an atheist. I only thanked God he had found real truth.

Nawa for you guy.

HumbledbYGrace: trust me, I was about to act but when I saw ajiban involved I decided to take a chill pill.

we appeal to you to allow us some chit chat here. Isn't this thread for the members of this section ma'am?

So far, I don't see anyone against this idea. It was quite enjoyable in the former complaints/comments thread.

What brutality is this?

aManFromMars: A senseless post. No one has ever claimed that going to church makes one a Christian.

a senseless reply. When did I claim you claimed going to church makes you a christian? I was just giving my opinion in case you thought otherwise.

ghostofsparta: @Joshthefirst and Kay17

Are you guys Jew to be adhering and passionately defending an ofshoot of Jewish religion? I just don't get it. Don't you know that if the Europeans colonialists/missionaries and Arab jihadists who converted our fore-fathers to their religions were to be Asians Taoists, Buddhists, Shintoists and Hindus. So would you be defending the Gita and Buddha and Shiva and Confucious etc . Guys think deep. We are Africans for facts sake. We have our ancestral believe systems too, which if you don't like it for whatever reasons, it's better to be atheist than fervently embracing the believe system of another race thousands of miles away. That's why the world don't respect us because we have nothing self-identifying and unique to present.

I'm getting tired of NL everyday when I read posters (who presumably black african) strongly defend Jesus, supports Adam and Eve, defend Islam, support foreign religions that aren't ours with all their might. I always think - do these people think.

The Asians and all their paganism gave the world many things from culture/entertainment (Ninja, Naruto, Samurai etc) to technology (Konami, Sony, Samsung etc), the Scandinavians with all their pagan past and myths gave the world entertainment/culture (Thor,Vikings,Loki etc) to technology (Nokia, retention of submerged underwater vessels etc), the Arabs (investments here and there, funding satellite launches) the Jews (Uzi guns, best intelligence security) the Russians (so many too), the caucasians (Euro-america) gave the world uncountable things from Apple, BB, Xbox, Aircrafts, Vehicle, Train, Telecommunications (internet) etc etc etc . Questions what do we as A F R I C A N S contribute to the world rather than defending what isn't ours, when in fact we have so many uncountable Native Advances Sciences (juju) that we could research and technologize to appeal to a modern world.

I'm fed up.

I'm sure you can do better than believing lies to justify your unbelief.

Colonialists were not missionaries.

Missionaries came way before colonialists, leaving the comfort of england and traveling to africa. They sometimes died in the thousands and still came, all in an effort to getsome news to our fore fathers. Some vital news.

Their sacrifices are not in vain on me.

Missionaries can never be colonialists, a missionaries work is to spread the gospel, not cheat and exploit the people.

Stop delibrately believing lies.

Christianity is not a jewish religion or a religion at all.

Its deeper than that.

Jesus is not just a jew. Jesus is the son of God that made paul travel around the known world in peril and persecution preaching.

Christianity is shown by lifestyle.

Jesus is no longer known according to the flesh.

aManFromMars: errrm, not just you..

I hope you guys realize going to church does not make you a christian?

Maybe you were a christian, but as far as I'm concerned, uyi and logicboy and every other person here was not.

^^

No actually. The thread has served its purpose. As an extra bibilical support showing that slave brutalization was curbed in old israel.

nwuyag: you even confirmed my point.
I think xplaining anything to you on this thread is a waste of time considering that your (biology) teacher was actually blabbing
Its common that apologists try to twist scriptures to fit science. This is quite strange. Pure honesty from a christian.

mind yourself. The people who do the most twisting and misintepretation of scriptures are people like you who want to justify their world views.

macof: Christians need new converts, I don't know why they can't stop trying to re-convert atheist

We don't normally try to reconvert atheists. We preach to everyone, generally.

We only focus on pathetic atheistic threads to crush their lying efforts in beguiling faithless and empty religious people with truth. We are there as witnesses to stand for the truth.
Ambassadors.

^^^You have not answered my question on the trolls thread about evolution of morality.

^^^^I hope they also send relief materials and not just rosaries.
Smh.

ghostofsparta: YO U'RE

S O

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P O I N T

how is he on point?

rationalmind: Must I say something on every thread? Do you think uve said anything worth my response? Even if I agree with you there is objective morality, you still have to prove to me yahweh is the source of objective morality and not allah or some other Gods.

I just asked for your opinion on these matters and you're already in the defense. Smh.

Uyi Iredia: I can because that is a subjective view. Even if I said morality is subjective and there should be no imposition, you have another cop-out, anarchy, as if there must be. BTW how do you reconcile the fact that people differ in viewpoints with your natural law ?

when you wake up, you'll show me examples of where people differ in viewpoints with the natural law without being horrified and embarrased by the outcomes please. Thank you.

Viewing this topic: Deep Sight(m), rationalmind(m), Joshthefirst(m)

I've caught you nwanne . What do you have to say? Where is logicboy and aManfromMars?

Deep Sight: That is the very sad conclusion of the position of wiegraf, Mr. Troll, and Uyi Iredia here.

The blatant truth is that these guys cannot believe this horrific nonsense. The truth is that they are desperately telling themselves these horrifying, reprobate, perverted lies because they cannot stand the spectre of the truth: namely the existence of a morality derived from on-high.

very true sir. This will shake the very foundations of their beliefs. Acknowledging that there is an "on-high"

Deep Sight: And again - since you say that the criminal laws (probably as with all laws) should be set by the majority, you therefore accede that laws where the majority endorsed, slavery, murder, exploitation, ritualism, and the like, were all right and good and in order - - - > since they were approved by the majority, no?

Be careful, it appears to me you have not thought this matter over carefully.

you might add the laws set in germany that legally allowed them to kill 11 million people uinder hitler. legally.

To legally rule that other humans were less than human and worthy of elimination was accepted by the majority.

Deep Sight: My position is that such laws are natural laws, and they therefore find binding force on all people because they are natural laws.

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Greek philosophy emphasized the distinction between "nature" (physis, φúσις) on the one hand and "law", "custom", or "convention" (nomos, νóμος) on the other. What the law commanded varied from place to place, but what was "by nature" should be the same everywhere. A "law of nature" would therefore have had the flavor more of a paradox than something that obviously existed.[1] Against the conventionalism that the distinction between nature and custom could engender, Socrates and his philosophic heirs, Plato and Aristotle, posited the existence of natural justice or natural right (dikaion physikon, δικαιον φυσικον, Latin ius naturale). Of these, Aristotle is often said to be the father of natural law.[3]

The best evidence of Aristotle's having thought there was a natural law comes from the Rhetoric, where Aristotle notes that, aside from the "particular" laws that each people has set up for itself, there is a "common" law that is according to nature.[16] Specifically, he quotes Sophocles and Empedocles:
Universal law is the law of Nature. For there really is, as every one to some extent divines, a natural justice and injustice that is binding on all men, even on those who have no association or covenant with each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law#Aristotle

sir, please could you tell me what brought about these natural laws?

As a christian believe they were brought about by God inscribing in our consciences naturally. I believe our actions regarding the law are not based on mere instincts like animals, I believe they are based on conscience, and consciousness.


So what do you think sir? What is your stance? Were the laws evolved? What brought about these natural laws?

Deep Sight: Of course not! It's ENTIRELY SUBJECTIVE! ! ! ! !

lol. I wonder why he claims humans evolved morality. Smh.

Now Mr Troll, when you get back, please answer these question:

Do you believe Hitler was wrong, as in morally depraved and evil ?