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Logicboy03: You are silly.

1) Just opening my profile will show you that you are wrong. I have had epic threads even after MMW left. here are some;
https://www.nairaland.com/1500039/5-problems-heaven (problems with heaven)
https://www.nairaland.com/1474216/atheistic-belief-also-white-master (Atheism not from white master)
https://www.nairaland.com/1461041/religion-failed-nigeria-53-years (Religion failed naija at 53 MADE FRONT PAGE)


2) Other atheists have solid threads even after MMC left...we stopped for a few weeks but came back. Intelligence is in our nature. You are just using your xtian biased glasses again.


3) If you are in love with Kay, ask her out.....she is not the only intelligent atheist here. We are many like legion


4) I have given solid reasons why an atheist should win the award. You have just argued nonsese as usual

I'm sorry, but if you call those threads intellectual, I fear for your brain.

Smh.

Those threads are rubbish nonsense.

Compare this thread and the comments therein to those rubbish nonsense you posted above.

https://www.nairaland.com/1506143/possibility-natural-intelligence

I'm sure the reason you even dodged the above is because you had nothing useful to say.

If you guys actually think the topics you've been opening around here are intellectual, I fear for your atheism.

Smh.

Pathetic.

Lol.

Logicboy03: We post the best threads without front page help. Most likely group not to get front page help

We post philosophical topics more than any other group here

the only philosophical topics ve seen are by kay17 and maybe wiegraf(though he mostly mocks with pathetic arguments)

We post the most on science more than any other group

must be blind. I've not been seeing much science topics. Maybe its cuz I'm new...relatively.

We are brave enough to address buddhism, hinduism, paganism and even sometimes islam

how does this qualify you for best poster of the year?

Sorry, the intellectual backbone of this section belongs to atheists.

seriously? Nawa o. Only kay17 opens intellectual topics that force you to think deeply and battle on her grounds.
In my opinion, she deserves the best atheist poster of the year.

Unfortunately, the political power in numbers are with deluded christians who can vote n a tithe hustler like Joagbaje twice as a winner

okay. But let me say something. Ever since mmw left, you guys have been complaining about deterioration of this section. Yet, you( troll, manfrommars, you, plaetton, even wiegraf) have not opened any meaningful threads. Be honest. I'm not trying to annoy you, I'm giving my honest opinion. The only threads I see often are the pathetic and cynical threads plaetton opens.

From now onwards, let's decide to open threads that will use everyday life and deep thinking to pass on the messages you want to pass on. I will try to do the same.

Cheers.




PS: why are you so bothered about the prize anyway?

Logicboy03: Funny thing is that we dont have to plot. An atheist should win it.....but then christian have chosen Joagbaje (Mr tithe thief) twice and Goshen (the law) as religion section poster of the year.


There is no need for any atheist to take the award seriously again. If ou christians can be satisfied with these two cretins xtian people as your best posters

why should an atheist win it?

rationalmind: Meaning, as at when the world was created, scorpions didn't exist and that parasite never existed. Sin brought them.

Lol, brother Josh, you must consider us very stewpid

who told you parasites started out as parasites and scorpions started out poisnous.

Uyi Iredia: Oi ! Oi ! We can't allow the small spark of life we I have brought back to this thread to die off like that. We can start by plotting how to make a non-Christian win this year's poster of the year award.

you realize we can actually see this right?

Ignorant nonsense. The bible tells us the world was created perfect, but sin introduced death and suffering that has ravaged it thus far. God will soon make all things new.


What atheists conclude is foolishness.

They blame God(or mother nature) for death and suffering and catastrophies, and then blame the indescribable awesomeness left in creation on non-directed randomness(evolution).

This is foolishness of the highest order, looking well at the world, we should reasonably conclude that something is wrong. That something is sin.

The wages of sin is death.
But thank God, for the free gift of God is eternal life.

God is making all things new. Real christians are the foremost examples of a new and real life in Christ Jesus.

[quote author=frank3.16]i used to think that humans are unique because of freedom of choice, now i hear that angels have free will just like humans.

why all these confusion just to prove a false point.

pls where did the bible say angels have freewill? why are bad angels just bad(like the one who left with lucifer) and good angels just good. why has no angel used his freewill to commit sin since lucifer fell? now i am confused even more[/quote]who told you all these things? You are the one who has confused yourself.

Go and study the bible about angels.

I'm sorry, but I would not justify foolishness with an answer.

Go and search on what God did to rebellious angels.

They're even encouraging themselves in their ignorance.

[quote author=rationalmind][/quote]sorry, go and read the bible. I thought you became agnostic by reading the bible and you don't know even basic stuff

rationalmind: What did I say? Christians are simply retar.ded.

Ever since satans rebellion against God, it appears angels no longer have freewill for if they had, only someone who is ins.ane would say none would have rebelled against God since satan did so.

this is ignorant. Go and study the bible before you make foolish conclusions.


[quote author=david_hume]Lmao!!!

I thought they said having free will makes mankind unique!

I hope josh will elaborate on this free will that angels possess[/quote]Smh.

rationalmind: Lol, congratulations on your newly found way of arguing. Calling something foolish and finding it difficult to show how its foolish.
Aren't robots created for a purpose? If yes, all God needed to do was to let the robot realise that purpose. It still would have nothing to do with freewill. Stop thinking about God like he's man. He can do anything he wants.

realization of a purpose entails freewill man.
Robots don't realize anything. They just do what they do. Them realizing involves them being more than robots, and them realizing involves them also choosing to fulfill their programming. Robots do not do these. They just act.
I would not call you foolish if you don't speak and think foolsihly.

HumbledbYGrace: Come on guys, still around. You know reality, so I won't be as regular as I used to be.

Good morning ya'll

morning ma'am

rationalmind: Good. This didn't even occur to me. He can program angels without freewill and they still have Joy and purpose but cannot do so with man.

Yet, Josh keeps running around, giving silly excuses.

I won't be surprised if he comes to say angels have freewill. These folks can go to any length just to defend stupidi.ty.

your foolishness has embarrased you once more.

GeneralShepherd: It is impossible to surprise an omniscient God and as such you can't go against predestination. If you can then God will loose His omniscient abilities

it seems you have not been listening. His omniscient abilities do not infringe mans choices. How does knowing the end of your choices stop you from making them.

[quote author=david_hume]I assume that angels don't have free will.
So, you're trying to tell us that all those angels of God live miserable lives?

Yet people aspire to the qualities of these angels.
Are we getting something wrong?[/quote]angels have free-will

rationalmind: Shut up if you have nothing tangible to say

see this guy, as I said, you end up falling flat on your face:

You have just shown foolishness.

pur·pose/ˈpərpəs/
Noun:
The reason for which something is done or created or for which something exists
Verb:
Have as one's intention or objective

rationalmind: If God so willed, he can create a robot that can always be happy and not sad, always know purpose and not the absence, always do right and not wrong. God can do all these.

do you know what purpose is? Why are you trying so hard to prove the unproveable?

You're actually embarrasing yourself.

rationalmind: Robots do exactly what they are programmed to do. If God so willed, he would had programmed us to keep the law.

why would he program you to keep his law when you would have no morals, and lack purpose and joy for keeping his law as a robot.

Why would you go to sych lengths to try to prove God didn't make the best choice? Or try to falsify his acts as wrong?

rationalmind: The robot doesnt have to choose good to have Joy. The Joy can just be an intrinsic ability of the robot.

Imagine God created us like robots, all we would know is doing good and following him blindly as he commands.

see how you contradict yourself.

rationalmind: what is wrong with you?

All that would be needed is to imprint joy and purpose in the robot and he will automatically find it.

Smh.

Imprinting joy and purpose would mean giving it the joy of choosing to do good. And choosing to fulfill its makers plans.

rationalmind: You are not saying anything new. Plug in "excuse" to my previous response. You haven't still answered anything.
You said freedom was giving not for man to break the law. You totally forget the reason man could even break the law was because freedom was given. Since he didn't want man to break the law, all he needed to do was not to give them the freedom at all.
I have replied everything u are saying and since you have nothing else to add, I rest my case.

smh. A robot cannot find joy and purpose. It seems you missed this:

Joshthefirst: and the reason the law can be upheld is because of freewill then? Without it, man would wallow in lawlessness?

This is pathetic

rationalmind: sorry, im on mobile. Remb is actually remember. If I were adam, I'll eat the fruit.

why?

Honestly?

rationalmind: You still cannot use your freewill to break the law? I think you people should stop calling it freewill. Circumstancial will is better.

You decide to give people freewill so they won't act like robots, you tell them they can't use the freewill to break the law, hence forcing them to act like robots. Then why give the freewill at all? You could had just made them robots.

I said you still cannot use your freewill as an excuse to break the law.

See the purpose of giving them freewill here:

Joshthefirst: you still cannot use your freedom as an excuse to break the law

Freedom was given, not so that man could rebel and break laws, but so that man could have joy and purpose in doing good.

People who selfishly use their freedom to break the law will be punished eventually.

Freewill is just the supplier of intent and purpose. If your intents are right, you have use your freedom well and you will find joy and satisfaction in doing so.

If your intents are wrong, you will be punished for using your freewill to break the law.

rationalmind: Why are you people failing to realise that, the reason the law can even be broken was because freewill was given. Without it, no law will be broken.

and the reason the law can be upheld is because of freewill then? Without it, man would wallow in lawlessness?

rationalmind: with what do i break the law? Not freewill? Tell me what it is

Edit: I rushed the response, i need to add this. You said breaking the law is wrong and i cannot blame freewill, I hope you do know ure inadverntly saying freewill cannot be credited with keeping the law. In essence, freewill has no role to play in keeping or breaking the law

you still cannot use your freedom as an excuse to break the law

Freedom was given, not so that man could rebel and break laws, but so that man could have joy and purpose in doing good.

People who selfishly use their freedom to break the law will be punished eventually.

Freewill is just the supplier of intent and purpose. If your intents are right, you have use your freedom well and you will find joy and satisfaction in doing so.

If your intents are wrong, you will be punished for using your freewill to break the law.