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Reyginus: Guys, please this is not a thread for this.
Use the exit door.

lol. I was expecting another mind blowing or rib cracking quote sir.




Use the report button so their posts will be hidden?

rationalmind: with what do i break the law? Not freewill? Tell me what it is

lust and your intent make you break the law.

Yes, you act freely when breaking the law. You choose to break the law.

But God punishes you for breaking the law not for acting freely. Acting freely should be used to find joy in doing good.

You should not use the name of freedom to break the law.

This is another childish attempt at trying to inflate basic concepts.

rationalmind: This night, I'm going with the general christian train of thought that God gave us freewill. I'm arguing that, if he gave us freewill, no one deserves punishment for exercising the freewill.

he gave us freewill, you should choose good.

You're punished for exercising your freewill at the expense of breaking the law.

Edit: breaking the law is wrong, and you cannot blame freewill.

princesa: no oh, Am on a 'book writing' leave

I want to learn about family, marriage and relationships this time around, am not getting any younger.

who told you you're not getting any younger ma'am?

macof: Yh but Yahweh not only supports the worst kind of slavery but instructs it

what kind?

Kay 17: Sadly, no one bothers to define what Freewill is.

Can one act contrary to his predestined act?

one can act contrary to what God has predestined him to do.

MonsieurCoder: where is aManFromMars the gamer?

he's busy riding okada in india.

^^^
I thought your stance was that freewill is an illusion?

nnofaith: so who is it wise to blame?

who is it wise to blame for the killing of twins? Or for the murders of abortion?

aManFromMars:
Na me o.

See as you dey smile from ear to ear.

So you fit drive that bike sef? No be this oneyou dey drive?

rationalmind: not just one but two blockheads liked this, quite pathetic.

He should punish no one. Simple. Weather you do good with it or evil, no one should be punished for exercising the freewill

this is the most foolish statement I have read from you.

nnofaith: slavery in whatever guise or form is evil. yahweh should be ashamed of himself for supporting slavery in his "holly" book.

on behalf of our forebears who where forcefully taken from their homes, striped of their dignity,brutalized and dehumanized by slavery i say FU*K YOU yaweh!

one more thing, it's foolish to blame yahweh for the slavery of our forefathers.

nnofaith: slavery in whatever guise or form is evil. yahweh should be ashamed of himself for supporting slavery in his "holly" book.

on behalf of our forebears who where forcefully taken from their homes, striped of their dignity,brutalized and dehumanized by slavery i say FU*K YOU yaweh!

oh yeah. I remember you.















PS: I've never supported slavery, never will. God allowed the israelites to actually do some things he didn't like, like divorce and choose a king while he wanted to be their king. Slavery was a normal act in those days, like having a king was.

The fore-runners of eradication of slave trade were christians btw.

aManFromMars: Lol. Keep deceiving yourself.

smh. Why? Why? Why do you constantly do this??

aManFromMars: And I'm tired of reading your lies. The verses are clear enough, abi do I need Holy Spirit to understand them?

you need to compare scripture with scripture.

And the op is not a lie. Click on the link for pete's sake. Smh.

aManFromMars: Na me go first throw peanut for your eye.

Musk, I'm tired of saying the same thing to you.

^^^Its no use arguing with him.
I do not mean insult with this verse, but it has truly been proved today:

Proverbs 14:7 Escape quickly from the company of fools; they're a waste of your time, a waste of your words.

plaetton: Have you done any surveys to determine what percentage of women that perform abortion are christians?

Officially, Nigerian doctors perform about 40,000 abortions yearly.

Kindly and honestly guess what percentage of those women are christian women and how many are atheists?

plaetton: Your Schizophrenic god loves human life soooooo much that he once supposedly drowned an entire human population except for 8 people?
Because he was pissed off , or just in drunken stupor?

And did sin dissappear from the earth?

HHHHHmmmmm!
I guess not.

And then much later he had to send his son(which is himself) to kill himself in order to appease himself (strange type of suicide).

And did sin dissappear from the earth?
HHhhmmmm!
I guess not.

You god(of your irrational mind) must be a bungling slowpoke.

I now see why deepsight insults you.

You have truly displayed foolish thinking here again.

So because people or so called christians commit abortion God sanctions it?
God judged earth for sin and sin continues, you blame him. He wasn't looking to eradicate sin, he judged the earth for sin, he was punishing.
Man continues(or rather you continue) to sin and you call God incompetent. Is this not foolishness?

You have sufficiently disgraced yourself this night.

Trogunn posted a link which answered plaettons foolish question, I also stumbled across extra-bibilical archaeological records that God didn't allow slaves and strangers to be insulted or brutalized in old Israel.

Archaeology confirms Gods word. The bible is also a historical and very accurate book. It is truly the word of God. Many things have been confirmed as true. Even unusual things. no archaeological finding has ever contradicted Gods word. Why then do you doubt the fact of God becoming human in Christ Jesus and justifying the world who believes?

Here it is people; culled from the source:

The deciphered text:
 
[…………………………………]
1' ’l t‘ś w‘bd ’[t ….…]
2' špt [‘]b[d] w’lm[n] špt yt[m]
3' [w]gr [r]b ‘ll rb [d]l w
4' ’[l]mn šqm ybd mlk
5' ’yn [w]‘bd šk gr t[mk]
 
[……………………………………………………]
1' you shall not do [it], but worship the [Lord].
2' Judge the [b]sla[ve] and the wid[ow] / Judge the orph[an]
3' [and] the stranger. [Pl]ead for the infant / plead for the po[or and]
4' the widow. Rehabilitate [the poor] at the hands of the king.
5' Protect the po[or and] the slave / [supp]ort the stranger.

Source:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135432#.UouXEZt3vX4

By the way, the source he gave also destroyed your concept of brutalization in slavery in ancient Israel(read the deciphered text):

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135432#.UouXEZt3vX4

plaetton: It is amazing how unabashedly you play the same slight-of-hand tricks and rehash the same lies over and over again.

First, You have not put forward your so-called archeological evidence( that you promoted) showing the depravity of Soddom and Gomorrah(have you forgotten them?)
Your other painfully ignorant comedian deceitfully referred and fast-forwarded us 3000 yrs later to the kings of Nineveh.
Now you have deceitfully skipped Sodom and Gomorrah and fast forwarded to the tribes of ancient Cannaan using the Ugarith text as your material. Fine.

Any slowpoke who claims that child sacrifice was exclusive to the tribes of ancient Canaan is either deceitful or ignorant.
Human sacrifice, child or adult is to be found in every culture since the beginning of recorded history.
The ancient Israelites, like other primitive tribes not only sacrificed their children, but were also cannibalistic.

It is all written in black and white in the bible.
Therefore, there is no primitive practice that was common among the ancient Canaanites that the ancient hebrews did not practice.
Is was just a simple latter of " my god is better than yours".

Secondly, I am glad that you tried to use the Ugarith texts to buttress your ignorance.

You know what?
Since you agree that the Ugarith text are an authentic piece of historical texts, then you are logically bound to accept other things the Ugarith texts said , Namely:

1. Yahweh, then known as El-Shadai was just a junior god in the Canaanite pantheon of gods.
2. Yahweh even had a wife, Ashera
3. Yahweh even had a son, Baal
4. Yahweh had a daughter, Lilith, the one referred to in the bible as "The Queen Of Heaven".

So there you go.
If you accept the Ugarith texts, then also , you must accept these four truths written in the Ugarith texts.

wow.

You truly confirm's word. You have become foolish in your thinking.

You said we should give you examples of depravities commited by the nations God sent out, we give you bibilical and extra-bibilical proof, then you begin to hammer on sodom and gomorrah. Does it not touch you that archaeology has not discovered everything yet?



Do you think the bible or God approves of everything it records?
Is that not foolish thinking?

God even promised to punish the israelites and abandon them if they commited the shameful acts of the nations that were before them. And he did if they did, as recorded in the bible.

Smh.

You should have remained silent instead of embarrasing yourself like this.

TroGunn: The following are excepts, largely from the write-up on excavated Ugarit or Ras Sharma ( part of ancient Canaan) discovered texts - http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/reprints/Ras-Shamra.pdf

“Funerary jars have been found with the bodies of young children distorted by suffocation as they strug-
gled for life after having been buried alive as a sacrifice to Canaanite gods” (Wilson, Clifford (1973), That Incredible Book—The Bible, p. 85).

“from numerous biblical and Roman allusions we know that child sacrifice was occasionally practiced,
the story of the Moabite king, Mesha (2 Kings 3:27) immediately coming to mind” (Wright, G. Ernest (1962), Biblical Archaeology , p. 112)

From Ras Shamra it was discovered that “sacred prostitution, both male and female, was exceedingly
common, practiced in the name of religion at the various centers of worship. Fertility as a goddess actu-
ally became a sacred prostitute, who, curiously enough, was called ‘the Holy One’” (Wright, G. Ernest (1962), Biblical Archaeology , p. 113).

Archaeologist Roland de Vaux is said to have written: “On reading these poems (Ras Sharma texts) , one understands the repulsion that true believers in Yahwism and the great prophets felt for this worship.”

Archaeologist Cyrus Gordon, is also says on Baal's copulation with a heifer, “If it be argued that Baal assumes the shape of a bull for the act, the same cannot be said for his priests who re-enacted his mythological career.” (The Mosaic Law clearly forbade bestiality, apparently common among their neighbours - Leviticus 18:23)

Besides evidence of possible child sacrifices were found in Carthage, known to be descent of Canaanites (also worshipping Baal). This one is well documented.

It's always been the case with the Bible - people would question the Bible's historical claims , only to eat their words when archaeology shows the Bible to be true.

It was the case in the Bible's account of Cyrus conquering Babylon, until the Nabonidus Chronicle show the Bible records to be accurate.

Or the Lachish Letters , or others listed here -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_significant_to_the_Bible

Or some of the more recent ones as http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/135432#.UouXEZt3vX4

If the Bible says some of these Canaanites were deep in depravity, then they most certainly were.

thank you very much for making it more comprehensive for him.

Deuteronomy 9:4 “After the LORD your God has driven them out for you, do not say to yourselves that he brought you in to possess this land because you deserved it. No, the LORD is going to drive these people out for you because they are wicked. 5 It is not because you are good and do what is right that the LORD is letting you take their land. He will drive them out because they are wicked and because he intends to keep the promise that he made to your ancestors, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12  When you enter the land that GOD, your God, is giving you, don't take on the abominable ways of life of the nations there. Don't you dare sacrifice your son or daughter in the fire. Don't practice divination, sorcery, fortunetelling, witchery, casting spells, holding séances, or channeling with the dead. People who do these things are an abomination to GOD. It's because of just such abominable practices that GOD, your God, is driving these nations out before you.

13-14  Be completely loyal to GOD, your God. These nations that you're about to run out of the country consort with sorcerers and witches. But not you. GOD, your God, forbids it.

Leviticus 18:24-28  "Don't pollute yourself in any of these ways. This is how the nations became polluted, the ones that I am going to drive out of the land before you. Even the land itself became polluted and I punished it for its iniquities—the land vomited up its inhabitants. You must keep my decrees and laws— natives and foreigners both. You must not do any of these abhorrent things. The people who lived in this land before you arrived did all these things and polluted the land. And if you pollute it, the land will vomit you up just as it vomited up the nations that preceded you.


An excerpt, concerning the depravities of nineveh:

Evilbible.com overlooks the historical evidences that these nations and cultures practiced the very things that evilbible.com decries as morally reprehensible. As just one example, the Assyrians who inhabited Nineveh during the time of Jonah were an incredibly barbaric and cruel people. When archaeologists uncovered Nineveh, the TV specials produced from their work had to be filtered because the evidence of brutality was so great. The discoveries unearthed facts such as how the Assyrians used to slowly impale their victims by sliding them down sharp poles, and that they also made handbags from their victim’s skins. In a stone pillar found at Nineveh, one Assyrian ruler boasted of “nobles I flayed” and “three thousand captives I burned with fire. I left not one hostage alive. I cut off the hands and feet of some. I cut off the noses, ears and fingers of others. The eyes of numerous soldiers I put out. Maidens I burned as a holocaust.” Such things certainly speak against evilbible.com’s claims that the people who fell under God’s judgment were innocent. Other examples include the inhabitants of Jericho who history has shown practiced child sacrifice, cultic prostitution, and much more.

Culled from this page:

http://www.gotquestions.org/is-God-evil.html

Thank God for this powerful message.
Thank God for the objectivity of Gods word.

aManFromMars: Wey josh?

sorry o. I wasn't around for some time.

aManFromMars: Answer my question.

aManFromMars: And this is sadly what you will never get into your blockhead. No one denies God cause they want to continue sin. Do you deny Allah cos you want to eat pork?

No.


Eating pork is not sin. You cannot relate this question to mine.
Now answer my question.

Joshthefirst: speak the truth now then.

Did aspects of your morality change when you denied God?

Answer solemnly. Did you begin to do some wrong things(or things the bible claims is wrong) because you think they did not have repercussions?

ghostofsparta: Even Santa people would want to check before making conclusion on a forum. But hey, whatever gives you solace.

I believe its driven by both cultural and religious norms extremism.

I also believe homosexuality is perversion, but killing people won't solve any problem.

Is this a joke?