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quirus:
No. Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is a living being and the personal Spirit of the ALMIGHTY GOD. Though invisible, even in the Heaven, but you can feel his presence when he is near. I have felt his presence many times and it is
sweet.

The "it" used in Rm.8:26 ("Spirit itself maketh intersection for us" is just English semantics or grammatical usage. Remember the "Spirit" was written in capital letter throughout the book, indicating that he lives.

Going further, in Rm.8:27 "he" was used for the same Spirit ("what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints".

Like I said it was just semantics.

Oga " IT " appeared at verse 16 and 26, a thing

Does that not tell you that any reference to he is a personification ?

maximunimpact:
Nothing happened in 1919, if you hold unto 1919 it means you are still holding unto the expired 1914 doctrine.

See below why only ignorant fellows believed the ideas you pasted up there:

Watchtower Society Redefines '1914 Generation'
James K. Walker

People alive in 1914 may not live to see Armageddon after all, according to the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's latest doctrinal revision. In the 1 November 1995 Watchtower, Jehovah's Witnesses abandoned their decades-long belief that Christ's. words "This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled" (Matthew 24:34) was a reference to the people living in 1914 (p. 17).

Simultaneously, the Watchtower dropped all reference to 1914 from their Awake! magazine's "Why Awake! Is Published" masthead. The previous version read: "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away" (22 October 1995). The new version reads "Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world that is about to replace the present wicked lawless system of things" (8 November p. 4).

With those alive in 1914 being at least in their 80s, the Watchtower was apparently willing to concede that the time had expired on their 1914 prediction. Critics and former members had anticipated that the Watchtower's leaders would eventually be forced to make some change in the 1914 doctrine (See Expositor, Vol. 9, No. 6; Vol. 12, No. 3). George Weissman, who left the Watchtower in 1992, told the Los Angeles Times, "I've been waiting to see how they were going to wriggle out of 1914" (21 October 1995).

Calling it a "more precise viewpoint," the Society attempts to salvage portions of their earlier 1914 doctrine while avoiding its obvious weakness (Watchtower, 1 November 1995, p. 20). They still teach that 1914 started the "last generation," but they have changed their definition of the word "generation." Rather than a reference to people who were living in 1914, the term generation now means an unspecified length of time that is relatively short "compared with the thousands of years of Satan's rulership" (Ibid., pp. 18-19).

This new doctrine buys the Watchtower some much needed time. In a telephone interview with Watchman Fellowship, Malcolm Allen, a local Watchtower leader, could give no "biblical" reason why Armageddon could not be hundreds of years away according to this new interpretation. By solving one problem the Watchtower has created several others. Critics now have more opportunity to raise questions concerning false doctrine and failed prophecy (See related story: "A Watchtower History of 1914" p. 4).

Even the Watchtower's staunchest supporters may have reason to be troubled by the new doctrine. Many loyal witnesses, quite naturally, have made important personal education and career decisions based on the "Creator's promise" that the end would come within the lifetime of those alive in 1914. It is easy to see how plans concerning children, savings, finance, and even life insurance would be greatly influenced by the promise that God's "peaceful and secure new world" would arrive during the life span of those alive in 1914. They would have every right to be upset or have doubts concerning their leaders after they announce this "more precise viewpoint."

Similar reinterpretations led to hge losses in membership following failed predictions concerning 1925 and 1975 (Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of Christ's Kingdom, p. 633).

"Sheep and Goat Judgment" Also Delayed
In a related move, the Watchtower has also announced that the current door-to-door work is not the sheep and goats judgment spoken of by Jesus. For decades the Watchtower claimed that knocking on doors and making converts was "separating the sheep from the goats" judgment foretold by Christ (Matthew 25:31-46). After 1914 failed to bring Armageddon as originally announced, the Watchtower had slowly reinterpreted their prediction claiming that 1914 was the year that Jesus "sat down in judgment" in heaven. Since 1914, the Watchtower had supposedly been helping Jesus with that judgment by "separating the sheep from the goats." The "sheep" were those who became Jehovah's Witnesses and supported the Watchtower while the "goats would be "destroyed because they fail to help Christ's anointed 'brothers' in their service to God" (You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth, p. 183).

Apparently the Society feels that the judgment period has stretched too far. Its been over 80 years since the judgment began in 1914. They are now saying the Bible, "does not show that such judging would continue over an "extended period of many years" (Watchtower, 15 October 1995, p. 22). So the Society now says that Christ sat down as King in 1914, but he did not sit down as Judge in that year. "Although Jesus is now King of the Kingdom, his further activity mentioned in Matthew 19:28 will include sitting on a throne to judge during the Millennium. At that time he will judge all mankind. . ." (Watchtower, 15 October 1995, p. 21). So the sheep and goats judgment is not current since 1914, it is the future - during the Millennium.

The importance of this doctrinal change is magnified by the fact that the Watchtower had in effect caled their old interpretation a revelation from Jehovah. They claimed that, "The Lord revealed to his people the meaning of the parable of the sheep and the goats, showing how the 'sheep' only would be spared by Jehovah when his wrath is expressed at Armageddon. All this information came not from or by man, but by the Lord God. . ." (Watchtower, 1 February 1938, p. 35). Obviously, their old interpretation could not have been "revealed" by Jehovah since they now admit that their old "meaning of the parable" was wrong. Moreover, how can only those judged as "sheep" be spared, and the "goats" be destroyed, at Armageddon, when the "sheep and goats judgment" does not take palce until during the Millennium, after - not before - Armageddon.

Both doctrinal changes are seen by critics as delaying tactics, although the Watchtower denies this motive. "Officials of the Watchtower. . .deny that the leadership felt a generational pressure to change," says Witness spokesman Bob Pevey (Newsweek, 18 December 1995, p. 59). While these new doctrines may provide the Jehovah's Witnesses some much needed breathing room, in the end they may suffocate the Watchtower with the most damaging and conclusive charges of false prophecy to date.

While some faithful followers of Jesus were humble enough to Realize Jesus can never be wrong which motivate them to adjust their view , some clueless ones are criticizing


I will take you serious if you can present a better explanation of Jesus statement concerning this generation .. Can you ?

Or did Jesus Lie ?

quirus:
Pele o English master. Let the Blessed Holy Spirit judge the writer himself, he does not need your help.

You are confused. An " it " is a thing not a person , agree ?

quirus:

Have you ever read the KJV Bible, which is the first universal Bible for the English speaking people, and compare it with your own JW Bible?

Please do and you will know the Truth and it will set you free.

Also forget about the whole Bible being written in the Hebrew and Greek languages, every Bible scholars know about that. And moreso all the existing Bible versions were translated from these original texts, including yours.

Also, that sacred Word Yahweh or Yehovah or Jehovah means The LORD GOD, so your JW version mentioning the sacred name all through does not change anything, it is the same I AM THAT I AM. GLORY BE TO HIS HOLY NAME.

Kindly visit spiritlessons.com site and gets spiritual books for your enlightenment. Remember common religious adherence or sect will not get you to heaven (be it Catholics or Orthodox or Pentecostal or JW), it is your personal relationship with the LORD that will open the gates of HEAVEN to you.

Good. According to KJV, holy spirit is an " it " , Do you agree ? Romans 8:26

Note: This post is not supporting cheating but looking at some trends in our society

Golden rule states that do to others what you want them to do for you.

I notice some trends among Single Ladies. Am using a fictional character named JANE to make the point clear .


They are many but I will mention three .

1) A typical single Lady ... Lets say Jane . will tell you, she own her body and can dress anyhow she likes, she doesnt care even if It will make other peoples husband stumble , All she cared about is the ATTENTION. Expecially at Beach, some use that opportunity to look even almost naked .

TABLE TURNS

When Jane got married, She wont allow her maids to dress the way she do dress when she was causing problem For other peoples husband, If She follow her husband to the Beach, She will monitor his eyes balls And make sure its not staring anyhow at those girls , How quickly she forgot .


2) Jane will tell you that dating married man is fun, in fact they are better than single guys, they will treat you right...

TABLE TURN

Jane is Now married BUT she doesnt want a second wife talkless of a Side chic, if her husband tries it , its Problem . she monitors his chats and rapport with other women closely, How quickly She forgot .


3) Jane will tell you that any man who cant Spoil his GF with money and endless outing is a Yeye boyfriend, " You must spend " she declare , Money is the Definition of love to her .

TABLE TURNS

Jane has a brother who spend heavily on his fiancee , she called him aside " Why are you spending on a woman like this ? Even me Thats your sister you didnt do half of What you did to this girl " . in short, she want his brother to play safe But with her own boyfriend, a different standard.

The question is : WHY ?

CAPTIVATOR:
I now get where he is coming from.

He has been brain washed by a Guy called Paul Grundy , the guy knows nothing , so just expect the Op to parrot his ideas

Concerning paradise Earth, in his effort to prove he is right , the guy made two blunders .

1.
Following this statement Jesus went on to recite the Lord's Prayer, stating at Matthew 6:10; "Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth."

The Lord's Prayer does not state that the earth is to last forever or be lived on. In fact this scripture contradicts Watchtower doctrine as it indicates God's will was already done in heaven when Jesus made this statement.

According to him, Gods will was already done in heaven when Jesus was on earth , Years later we found Jesus speaking about things that will take place in the Future Rev 1:1,2 years after his death o , he told John at Revelation Chapter 12 regarding the Casting of Satan from heaven with his Myriads of angels . GODS will is already done in heaven, Yet Disobedient child's are around causing issues for other angels ?

The angels at that time were said to be REJOICING , How come they didn't rejoice all this while until Satan was casted , and Gods will is been done, Is Satan slanderous act part of Gods will ?

Here is another :



2. "
No Scripture says mankind will be resurrected onto earth "

You saw that, Let's now look at John 5:28,29_ Jesus said people will be ressurected and come out, then he said those who practice evil to ressurection of judgement , Where are they practicing this Evil ? This was a reference to what they did after ressurection ( ROM 6:7 )

Act 24;15 ressurection of righteous and unrighteous, So unrighteous, many of whom do not even know Jesus , talkless of having faith in him, this people will be ressurected to heaven ?



See, don't take the Op and his clowns serious .

rottennaija:
I believed that mankind would live on earth forever, from childhood based on watchtower theology. I believed as jws do that the earth would become a paradise for Jws and a few others and that 144k will be in heaven with Jesus, reigning as kings and priest.

I believed that this 144k are anointed Christians, born again who are christ brothers. I also believed that the earth would be made a paradise among other JW believes.

Note. I believed, in past tense.

I wasn't wrong earlier. I know this is what caused your misunderstanding

Can u now explain your understanding of the " new Earth " or the " Coming inhabited earth " spoken of at 2Pet 3:13 and Heb 2:5 ?

Also explain Psalm 37:29 ?

rottennaija:
Lol, Jehovah’s Witnesses, so quick in name calling. Sometimes I wonder why. Could it be feelings of insecurity? The insecurities that if the mother organization is not there for them, then everything is meaningless?

That u were busted ?

TruthinAction:
It is hell and death that will be utterly destroyed by the Lake of fire which continues to exist. Please go back to basic school and study English Language again.

At least it destroys those in it to non existence as u admit.

If that's all you gain. Enjoy

achorladey:
Ask your brother where the word "PROFESS" is contained in that material cited under category 1 or category 2 as differentiated by your brother. You will know once you you do so.

Take care.

achorladey:
Prove him wrong ko! Prove him right ni. Person never answer where PROFESSING dey for the paragraph, you sey make I prove am wrong. Later he will tell me the below.........

You need a daily coaching on something called Authors intent. U are too low in comprehension, profess has different meaning but the author used it in the sense of the meaning I gave you.



Hahahahaha.

I only want to know of the wicked men and impostor didn't profess to be a member of the congregation . that's all .

CAPTIVATOR:
I posted some questions to you, do well to respond



Mediator in what context .. New covenant ?

Mediator in approaching Jehovah ??

Yes, John 14:6 ... No one comes to the father EXCEPT through me . so Jesus Is the mediator of every faithful Christian, how else do you approach or pray to God without Jesus ?

Good . but ask him if he ever believe that people have the hope of living forever on earth - Rev 21:4

That's the line that can help u get a glimpse of the different application in terms of mediatorship of new covenant .

rottennaija:
Is Jesus now mediating in different categories now? Different context?

Failed paulgrundy follower, your mentor doesn't believe the earth will exist forever hence he couldn't accept the bibles teaching, all good people go to heaven, so why wont he apply Jesus mediatorship of new covenant to all mankind.

Psalm 37:29 , Heb 2:5 , 2Pet 3:13 - do u believe in a new earth ?

achorladey:
CAPTIVATOR : The question is : Does it apply to both ? Because am sure those in category 1 also profess before entering the congregation.

Achorladey: You no fit answer the category the word PROFESS APPEAR AGAIN. Hahahahaha! Now it is you are SURE THOSE IN CATEGORY ONE ALSO PROFESS. E get as e be

CAPTIVATOR: That his master APPOINTS

Achorladey: It would be nice to know WHO this HIS MASTER really HIS. His this MASTER your MASTER Too?

CAPTIVATOR: The person that serve others would feed himself

Achorladey: As it were the SLAVE FEED FELLOW SLAVE. You should by now know you have answered your questions.

Prove him wrong that they didn't .

TruthinAction:

Liar. I never said so . There is difference between hell and Lake of fire. The former will be utterly destroyed in the latter. That's what I said.

Despite you once admit death and hell been thrown into lake of fire means non existence, you re here claiming its a Lie u never said so.

Truthinaction
Hell and death will be destroyed. They are the spiritual prisons that held the lost souls. They will be utterly destroyed. They will no longer exist

I think your name should be changed to Lie in action .

EnthronedbyGod:
Adam was created in God's image, meaning he was like God, but in human flesh.

Man is no longer in God's image, but in Adams image.

Is Eve in Gods image?

Senseless rants.

Using the Bible, Who is the Almighty God ?

CAPTIVATOR:
The question is : Does it apply to both ? Because am sure those in category 1 also profess before entering the congregation

Good point .

TruthinAction:
Liar. I never said so. There is difference between hell and Lake of fire. The former will be utterly destroyed in the latter. That's what I said.

By Utterly destoyed , you mean non existence ?

^^

TruthinAction:
Please visit a psychiatrist. Because it is written in the Scripture which you know. If you reject the evidence of the Scripture, then you are hopeless.

If saying lake of fire means total destruction or non existence they will be More equate visiting a psychiatrist, You will need to visit a psychiatrist as well for actually admitting hell and death been thrown into lake of fire does mean non existence .

TruthinAction:
If I keep on explaining, you will ask more questions because you are not ready to hear anything different from what you have been taught. Besides as humans, we do not know everything but we take that which have been revealed to us even if it does not appeal to the senses. There are several Scriptures that points to eternal torment of lost souls. So you can not use just one scripture to nullify the others which are more in numbers. So if you don't want to believe the evidences of the scriptures pointing to eternal torment of souls, I really can't help you understand better. Please, I give up on you. After even when Jesus was on earth, not every one believed him. Even his own people rejected him. Only the humble will see the truth as revealed and accept it. The proud man always wants to insist he is right even when there are evidences against his school of taught. Even if I quote up to ten, even twenty Scriptures affirming the eternal punishment of lost souls, you will still not believe. Rather, you will want to use just a few other Scriptures to reject the truth. I am so sorry I will not entertain any further questions or engage in any form of discussion with you. You have only one life to live, read the Bible with open mind and you will find the truth that will make you free.

Explain what you quote! That's the mark of a truth teacher.

How can a spiritual soul have TEETH to gnash ? Teeth is a bone, do spirit have bone ?

TruthinAction:
The physical body will burn off first and the soul will be in torment. So in a sense, he still died because the soul can only be released when the physical body dies or is destroyed.

According to Jesus BOTH SOUL and BODY are destroyed ! Matthew 10:28

Are u saying Soul will burn off like body too leading to non existence ?

Don't forget the same criteria for body apply to soul

Every part of the physical body is also considered in the soul. Are angels not spirit but they eat. Where did their teeth come from?

Angels don't eat. Does God eat ?

They are Spirit like God. John 4:24

We also have disembodied spirit. This is what Jesus referred to as a spirit does not have flesh and bones.

Teeth is a bone, if your theory is right ... Spirit will not gnash teeth !

TruthinAction:
When you get there, you will believe. You are an anti Christ. Just opposing all that the Scripture says. You want to make it say what it did not say. You never answered my questions? How come the false prophet and the beast were still there after 1,000 years? You deny the evidence of the Scripture to establish your own doctrine. Your punishment will be worse than that of the devil himself.

Are still where , you mean the same lake of fire that hell and death are ... Non existence ?

TruthinAction:
I didn't say so. The people who lived before Jesus came will b judged by either the law of their conscience or by the law of Moses for the Jews that were under the Law.

Then that means Jesus IS NOT the second Adam . agree ? Since he can't save many offspring of Adam from their inherited sin.

After all Noah got saved in his generation even before Jesus came.

Noah make heaven without Jesus ? in short, your assumption means if Noah can do it, its useless for Jesus to come since OTHER HUMANS can Do it as well

Noah entered Gods presence with the inherited sin of Adam ?



Jesus is not even the way! Right ?

generationz:
Lol
How does your answer counter what I wrote earlier?

Please, reread my post and read your answer and see if there's any similarity.

My point was most men won't love a lady that directly chases them. She can use all the green light but never chase him directly. If he eventually asks her out, good for both of them.

If he doesn't and she chases him she will end up miserable.

The only exception are for extremely timid guys. Those one's are happy with whatever sexual attention they get. Eg Jeff Bezos and Kim Kardashian brother.

I wasn't countering your post, I only show you the REVERSE. if tables are turned

>>> Most Ladies also are NOT interested in those that Chase them . some even call them " annoying "

>>> Most ladies always have that one guy they really like but because he doesnt take action, they withdrew like you advise. But my emphasis was Should in case this guys gives an hint of interest, this ladies won't hesistate to dump the guy that chased them for him

generationz:
You see.

Look from what I'm seeing in this relationship there's a chance you might like her but you have to be honest with her.

You can sit her down and tell her the truth. Tell her guys generally aren't attracted to girls who chase them. Tell her it's a turn off that she's an amazing person but absence makes
the mind grow fonder.

You both need to give yourself some space for now.

If she is mature she will be hurt at first, maybe cry, but will understand and appreciate your honesty.


I'm sure you would fall in love with her if only she learns how to play the coquette.

But that's really up to her not you.

Very wrong, same way I can say Girls Generally aren't attracted to the guys that chase them ( Can be proved, Girls have many admirers, but always got her eyes on one man who doesn't really care, because she fear rejection she won't appproach, but Give one of those chasing her a chance, atnleast here she loves less. She Is in control . that's why girls like you preach that don't chase a man stuff ) .

See let me tell you the fact, True a girl might not want to chase, But the day the man she really likes decide to come close, she will dump the one thats chasing her . The heart knows what it want

TruthinAction:
I give up on you. When you get there you will curse the day your mother gave birth to you. Keep debating on matters that are very clear in the Scripture.

You mean , u give up on scripture right ?

TruthinAction:
The best way to answer your question is to ask you which part of man will do the weeping and gnashing of teeth? First, the lost souls have a dead spirit. Now their body is also destroyed. So if the soul goes into none existence, which part of man does the weeping and gnashing of teeth.

If the soul goes into none existence, why was the beast and the false prophet thrown into the Lake of fire were still acknowledged to be there after 1,000 years they were thrown in. And the verse even says they will be tormented night and day forever and ever.

The English used in the Scripture is not ambiguous. Or interpret what for ever and ever means. And tell me why the souls of the false prophet and the beast survived over 1,000 years. I will quote the Scriptures again for benefit of doubt.

Matthew 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be WEEPING and GNASHING of TEETH.

According to the Bible, a spirit dese not have flesh and Bones , How then can spiritual soul have TEETH ( BONES ) ??

How can a soul that goes into none existence weep and gnash his teeth?

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

The everlasting fire here refers to the Lake of fire. And the verse says its everlasting. Do you need an everlasting fire to torment a soul that doesn't exist? Please be honest with your answer.

Matthew 13:49-50.
49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,

50 And shall cast them into the FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Another synonyms for Lake of fire furnace of fire. And Jesus repeated here that the wicked cast in will weep and gnash their teeth. How will they do that if they go into none existence?

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

After this incident Satan was bound for 1,000 years and Jesus ruled for that same number of years.. After the 1,000 years expired, he was loosed for a season and gathered great multitude to fight against God's people. Fire came down from God and destroyed all the armies and Satan was cast into the same Lake of fire. And the Scripture acknowledged that the beast and the false prophet are still there.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST AND THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The Scripture affirms the beast and the false prophet were still there when Satan was cast in.

I hope I have answered your question unless you want to deliberately deny the multiple evidences of the scriptures.

This beast is an human being according to you, All humans inherit Sin and will Die , But how come this particular beast never experience death ? Is God lying at Genesis 3:19 ?

TruthinAction:
No need to reply you again for your mind is made up on what to believe in spite of evidences against it. I just urge you to repent before it is too late. Hell is very hot and unbearable. Lake of fire is worse.

Lake of fire means non existence as evidenced by hell been thrown into it to never exist again.

If that's the only thing you gain from this discussion, you would do yourself much good

TruthinAction:
How could the cities still be burning. You asked a foolish question. The bodies of the people also got burnt off but their souls are suffering in hell. That Jesus died for all men doesn't mean all men are free. Only those who accept him as his Lord and personal Saviour and live a godly life will be saved.

Those who lived before Jesus came have a different criteria for judgment.

Only those who lived after Jesus came will be judged by their rejection of Christ.

The earlier you understand this the better, You are an enemy of Christ - To say some people were condemned to everlasting hellfire BEFORE THIER SAVIOR DIED FOR THEIR INHERITED SIN , is to useless the coming of Jesus .

TruthinAction:
Please go back to school and read English. You can't consent to a doctrine that has obvious contradictions in the Scripture. You don't select the ones that appears to agree with your opinions and throw the others away that are contrary to your beliefs. There are many more Scriptures that confirms that souls will be tormented day and night. You can't use just a few Scripture to nullify the evidences of others that are even more in numbers. Quote all the Scripture you know that says that the death will go into none existence and I will quote ten times more Scriptures that teaches otherwise. I feel sorry for your approach to Scripture interpretation.

Are the cities still burning today ?

I asked a question earlier on: if the people of sodom and Gomorrah died and go to hell, Do you accept Jesus did not die for all men ?

TruthinAction:
Death doesn't mean a cessation of existence. There are two types of deaths - spiritual death and physical death. Spiritual death doesn't mean you cease to exist but that you are cut off from the life of God. Physical death is being cut off from this physical world. Adam first died spiritually before he died physically but his souls still lives on whether in hell or in heaven.

The beast being thrown into the Lake of fire is a second death. He is cut off from the life of God and suffers eternal punishment.

Even the Bible says that she that lives in pleasure of sin is dead why she lives.

Why did Jesus told the man who wanted to first go and bury his father that he should let the dead bury their death. The people he called the dead were still living. But they are dead because they don't have a relationship with God.

According to Genesis 3:19, Man will experience physical death as a result of sin, Yes or no ?