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solite3:
Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

chericleo:
U. Did u answer ma own questions lik I said I won't argue wif u. Tym sha tell. Wen u guys dnt bliv in holy Spirit how will u no d truth. If it was not hell wat den is it . I saw ur other trend abt hell and am glad u were told by others.

solite3:
why do you guys look for error! How does this proves there is no hell fire? There is an actual hell fire a place where lost souls are! May God open your eyes

Jessicha:
lolzzzzzzz, Abraham Bossom = Paradise. That means Hagar was in Paradise o

" And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid [size=28] into thy bosom; [/size] and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee. " Gen 16:5

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Jessicha:
lolzzzzzzz, Abraham Bossom = Paradise. That means Hagar was in Paradise o

" And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid [siize=28] into thy bosom; [/size] and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee.And Sarai said unto Abram, My wrong be upon thee: I have given my maid into thy bosom; and when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her eyes: the LORD judge between me and thee. " Gen 16:5

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chericleo:
. Check ur dictionary or Google d meaning of hell and dat of grave. Do u think if dai meant grave it won't b written expressly? Is dat d only place hell was mentioned? Was grave not mentioned in other part of d Bible? So u feel d writers meant grave rather Dan hell.

Will not argue wif u. Even if u bliv it or not those whose names are not written will b cast into d Lake of fire. d earlier u bliv dat God destroyed wif water b4 and now his going to do dat wif fire d beta. If he did it b4 is it now dat he won't? Even wen it's written? I no a lot of people has turned d Bible upside down Buf plz try and b mindful of d explanation u get abt d word of God for ur own good.

chericleo:
. Dear ur confusing urself ova something written there it was hell dat was written not grave. Hell and grave are two different thing

OLAADEGBU:
Objection 2:

The Father Is "Greater" Than Jesus:

Some other cults and false religions object that because Jesus said the Father is "greater" than Him (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God. Biblically, however, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature (John 10:30). He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philipians 2:6-11). Positionally, then, the Father was "greater" than Jesus. -AIG

brocab:
Frying pan The scripture clearly said the rich man died and was buried. But you seem to think the rich man ask for water while he is in Hades Hell still alive in the flesh.
Your own thoughts can't see the Spirit of the rich man lives on, while in Hades being tormented with fire.

brocab:
The JW's have always taught Jesus went into Heaven to sit on God's right hand side in the Spirit, and you continualed to teach Jesus came to earth as the archangel Michael in the Spirit, and return to heaven in the Spirit.
Yet Jesus ate and drank after He was resurrected with His disciples, as you believe in the Spirit.
Even if it said Abraham's side, it still would mean Paradise, [size=27] because Abraham was in Paradise, as the scriptures tell's us he was.[/size]

The poor man died and was buried and the poor mans Spirit was brought by the angels to Abraham.
The rich man died and was buried and His Spirit went into Hades {Hell} again as the scriptures tell's us he is.
So really you haven't a leg to stand on when arguing about your own beliefs.

johnw74:
Bro, as you can see false jw jozzy doesn't comprehend anything that is said, either that or he twists things around because he has no answer,
which is dishonest - lying, which he does often, and which is another jw trait.

As you know he doesn't understand the Bible either, and using a corrupted Bible and being told what to believe just makes it doubly worse.

Some say they are not jw, but if they believe false jw teachings then they are false jw and do lie.
If they follow satans teachings then they are satans disciples.

brocab:
[s] Quote Jozzy4- After Jesus said they died and were buried , he still went ahead to say the rich MAN , MAN. Have a tongue and could drink water which is the description of a man , I demand an explanation for this ! When did immaterial spirits start having tongue and drink water ?
Isn't this part of your beliefs, you JW's believe Jesus went into heaven just as a Spirit? And you believe Michael the archangel became Jesus on earth, and returned to sit at God's right hand side in Spirit. If this is the case, Jesus also ate and drank with His disciples, after He was resurrected . {And now you are asking me, to explain to you, How does a Spirit drink}

Don't You believe this is the truth about Christ now? Do you even know about your own bible? This is what you JW's have said all along, Jesus returned to God in Spirit? This is why you haven't the slightest idea how the bible is written, you don't even recognise your own bible. You are reading your stories from a magazine, that's written by children story tellers.
{Luke 15:22-26} The Lord was speaking in terms of explaining after we die our Spirit lives on.
With all the scriptures I have shared with you, still you are confused of the idea, the way you have explained yourself you seem to think that our flesh and blood lives on-and the rich man never died nor buried-but he is in Hades burning in torment alive.
{Esslesiastes 3:19-20} All from dust and we will return to dust.
{Esslesiastes 12:6-7} And the dust returns to the ground and the Spirit returns to God who gave it.
From our experiences in life it is easy for us to understand the truth, that when a person dies his body begins to decay back unto dust.

But what about a mans spirit? Where does it go at death? So where does a person go when he dies? Lets read the scriptures and find the answers?
{Luke 23:43} Jesus said to the thief on the cross, today you will be with Me in Paradise.
{Acts 2:27-31} For you will not leave My soul in Hades, Nor will you allow to see your Holy one to see corruption, He foreseeing this spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor His flesh see corruption, Jesus died and while His physical body reposed in the tomb, He {His soul} went to Hades {the unseen world of the dead} Jesus did not remain in Hades, However on the third day, He returned from Hades and was raised from the dead.

And already you are having trouble accepting the story of {Luke 16:22-26} So the beggar died and he was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom, the rich man also died and was buried, and being in torment in Hades, the rich man lifted up his eye's and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And Abraham said between us there is a great gulf fixed, so for those who want to pass from here you cannot, nor from there pass to us.
We read that Paradise is not the same as Hades, but rather one or two compartments located within Hades. Lazarus died and went to Abraham bosom {This same Paradise where Jesus said today you will be with Me in paradise up on the cross} While the rich man died and went to Hades and he was in torment. These scriptures shows that the spirits travel either way, while the flesh turns back into dust.
{Job 14:14} If a man dies shall he live again?

brocab:
It must be difficult for you to accept this scripture, knowing your organisation don't even believe Hell nor Hades ever exist.
So of course you see the rich man could still be alive in the flesh, when he asked for water from Abraham.

chericleo:
. It was said dat hell was cast into d Lake of fire AND All does whose names are not written in d book of life. Dear wen reading d Bible dnt read a particular verse if possible read from d beginning. Read d story of lazarus and d rich man. Wen d rich man died did he not go to hell? Hell is a place were does dat did not make heaven go to at first wen dai die and on d day wen christ shall finally come both hell itself and all whose name are not in d book of life will be cast into d Lake of fire.

EkeneElectrons:
you are trying to tell me that God is man? and he thinks like man? so he burns humans with so much joy with fire....


fire symbolizes "everlasting cutting off" because anything fire burns is vanish!

brocab:
Listening to you, really puts the JW's on the map to be called idiots, after reading this 'it shows how dumb you really are.
These verses are even written in the New World Translation Bible, about the rich man dying, and asking for water after He is dead in Hades-but since you believe you are better than your bible, than at least you should have all the answers, that can explain yourself how does dead men drink water.
You should know the answer to this question-it's easy-you are dead in Spirit, can you drink living water? No.

brocab:
In every school theirs always someone like you, sitting in the corner at the back of the classroom.
Please tells us-about your stupidity metal state of mind, Do you honestly believe Jesus was talking about flesh and blood?
Does the scripture not tell you that the rich man and the poor man had died, both buried-meaning dead men-no-longer do their bodies function. So how does flesh and blood enter into the Spirit realm? Flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God, nor corruption inherit incorruption.
Since you have all the answers maybe you should shed a little light on the subject and show us where in the bible does it ever say that flesh and blood can enter into heaven or Hell?
Through visions or even dreams, or having some kind of a death experience people had always explained their experiences were in Spirit.
Maybe its the JW's who can travel back and forward in the flesh unto the Spirit realm?

After Jesus said they died and were buried , he still went ahead to say the rich MAN , MAN. Have a tongue and could drink water which is the description of a man , I demand an explanation for this ! When did immaterial spirits start having tongue and drink water ?

brocab:
After reading your page-this must be so difficult for you to comprehend, it shows every time you reply back, your first reaction is negative, which shows you don't even read up on the word, most people would try to understand before replying back, but you aren't most people, you just don't think about things-you jump straight in, without acknowledging.
The blind, leading the blind.
{Luke 16:22-26} explains it quite well-but your reactions are always on the argumentative side.
Well if you don't understand it, then find someone else who can 'and explain it for you?
But what you haven't noticed both died, both were buried back to dust, and yet both spirits are still alive.
{Ecclesiastes 12:7, 3:20} Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the Spirit shall return unto God who give it. All go to the same place all come from dust, and to dust all return.
The problem is' you can't read between the lines-when we read the scriptures-we read it with meaning. Everybody who reads about anything, always looks for the answers, but in your case you don't.
As you can read our flesh returns to the ground-we are made from dust and we will return to dust-but the Spirit remains.
So this proves our flesh ends up back where it came from {Adam was made from dust} while our Spirits roam, the rich man died and buried and yet his spirit knows he is in Hades being tormented by fire. {The meaning of Hell-Sheol, Hades, Gehenna}
This means our Spirit feels everything our flesh feels, even after we die, the rich man felt himself burning, and he knew he was in Hades.
The rich man was begging Abraham to cool down his tongue with a tip of water, and the rich man describes Hades burning with fire of torment, if this isn't telling you he is in Hell another word used for Hades-then at least share a little light on this subject and tell the world, Hades isn't Hell, a place of torment-and our Spirits no-longer feels the pain after we die?
And why is the rich man begging Abraham to send Lazarus back to his family, didn't the rich man realise no-one can come back from the dead, not even in Spirit {except through Jesus}

brocab:
No you have still got it wrong, Both have the same Qualifications

, both are the same.

brocab:
No you have still got it wrong, Both have the same Qualifications

, both are the same.

chericleo:
. MA dear it's in d Bible dat all those whose name are not written in d book of life will b cast into d Lake of fire and dat includes d wicked. Am not d 1 dat wrote it, Plz dnt let any1 confuse u or misinterpret d Bible. It was stated there

solite3:
which thread? Do you know wat is trinity? Jesus is God but not the father so what is your point?

solite3:
Jesus is God the bible very well establish that claim. Jesus is not the God the father but he and the father are one God.

brocab:
I had asked a question, and of course no-JW had answered it, maybe you should open your eyes' and answer the question.
Yet for us there is but One God.

From whom all things came and from whom we live-Through whom all things came through whom we live. So which One is it? Jesus or God.

solite3:
Jesus said he and his father are one john10:30

solite3:
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johnw74:
oh that hurt telling the truth didn't it, look how angry you are

ha ha, you kept saying "one god" is not in John 1:1

and now you have been forced to admit that the God of John 1:1 is indeed the one true God

you lie lie jozzy kept twisting words - lying to avoid that truth

wow you one big heap liar

and now you deny that John 1:1 says that the Word is God

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

you such big lie lie

Jesus spoke of you pharisee false jw:

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you like satan, when he speaks a lie he is speaking naturally

solite3:
answer me. Is Jesus your father? Yes or no.

I have only one father which is God

since Jesus is God he is my father.
Isaiah 9:6 called him everlasting father

johnw74:
well lets see if you lie lie jozzy have the courage to answer this:

seeing as you keep saying there is no "one God" in John 1:1

is the God of John 1:1 that the Word was with in the beginning
the one true God, or is He some other God?

johnw74:
as I said many times, you false jw have no comprehension of things said and no understanding of the Bible