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MKO4ever:
in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. Jesus was the word and therefore Jesus is God

MKO4ever:
in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. Jesus was the word and therefore Jesus is God

brocab:
You are a JW are you not? You praised dolphinheart like he is your lord and savour, and because I had responded to your reply, you praised Him even more? You should try and be come a Born again Christian before you make any judgements against Christ.
Jesus said you must become born again before you can enter into the kingdom of God-their is no back door into heaven.
Once you have made your decision towards Christ-your eye's will open up to any truth that exist that's written in the bible.
Theirs no-other God but one. Jesus Christ is Lord.

brocab:
Lets all praise dolphinheart, by lifting him up above all other names either in heaven or on Earth or under the Earth.
Let the JW's worship him-building him up in Gold, and shall they call him the king of kings of the scriptures-that every JW shall bow and every tongue shall confess that dolphinheart is Lord.
Well done good and faithful servant-the JW's can only respond to your faithful sincere heart, you have written against the truth, that is written about the word of God.
Lets make a new day from the seventh day-we will make it the 8th day to celebrate, a new holiday, a new beginning' a day that everyone worships dolphinheart as our Lord and savour. Written and signed by Jozzy4.

brocab:
Thanks bro-I find most times after writing to dolphinheart his replies doesn't match up to my quotes, He completely talks about something different; which sometimes confuses the subject we are on.
So I throw in that little humour, hoping some how he may connect, tuning himself back into the program.
As you can see he writes these scriptures down without having any wisdom and knowledge to even consider understanding what these scriptures actually mean, to prove his point.
I like it when he falls into the pit digging his hole deeper after he realises he had made a terrible mistake.
{1 John 5:20} is as clear as it sounds.
The JW's go on a point system, and they believe they are saved only by their works. So if they fail the JW's will vanish him from Kingdom hall. Which means his blood family he once knew will no-longer exist.
"How does one catch a liar? It's when a lair keeps on digging deep trying to find other ways to prove his wrongs.
And dolphinheart always uses this same system, hoping no-one will catch him lying even further.

OLAADEGBU:
This is the consequence of being taught half truths and lies. The truth become lies while you take lies as the gospel truth.



The breath of life of mankind was directly imparted. That is why Adam was created in God's image, animals are not created in God's image the reason animals' spirit goes down at death and not up.



Why should I confuse you with the truth when your mind has no more room for it?

OLAADEGBU
It is plainly recorded here that Adam's body was formed out of the "elements of the earth" same as animals'.

johnw74:
Lie lie jozzy

your confusion and non understanding is showing in your every post
and your English grammar is just as bad

johnw74:
You are wrong yet again false jw, here is a couple of imaginery examples to show you that the pronoun "it" can be used for many things, including animals and persons, even for Father God:

Bill said about Jims pet Tiger: "it" eats a lot
however the Tiger is not a thing an it, but an animal
When Jesus was Baptized the voice of Father God was heard from Heaven, saying: "this is my beloved Son"
Thomas said to Jesus: "Jesus, is that your Father? to which Jesus replied: yes "it" is.



However the Father God is not a "it", a thing, but a person, in fact the person of God.

Lie Lie jozzy

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy

The following two verses are talking of the Word - Jesus Christ,
and job shows that the Word - Jesus Christ is "the Spirit of God":

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

The Word - Jesus Christ made job:

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was mad

It's amazing how antichrist jozzy is wrong absolutely every time,
well not really amazing, having the wrong spirit as he does.

Jesus is the Truth

satan is the father of lies

johnw74:
false accuser jw jozzy picks one or two things and disregards all the rest,
that's what satans disciples do, because they have nothing else.

This translation doesn't have "Him" in brackets, but things like that don't mean anything, except to you who has nothing.

Numbers 11:17 (NAS) "Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put "Him" upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.



Lie Lie jozzy you have been blinded, you work hard at rejecting the truth, and believe all lies.

Jesus again speaks off false jw:

Mat_23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

johnw74:
Bill said to Jim: "is that your sister Jim?"

Jim replied to Bill: yes Bill "it" is.

Jim could have easily replied: yes Bill "she" is
buy many people use "it" when referring to persons.



Lie Lie jozzy.................all over the place

solite3:
what?

solite3:
is "it" not used for babies or animals?

solite3:
is "it" not used for babies or animals?

johnw74:
The same lie over and over again from false accuser jozzy
Yes "it" can be used for a person, examples were given but false jw jozzy ignores then because they go against his satanic doctrine that the Holy Spirit is not a person.

Lie Lie jozzy hangs onto one verse - word, and ignores many verses showing that the Holy Spirit is indeed a person,
but that's what satans disciples do.



By the way "it" wasn't in the Hebrew text that the English is taken from, it was added by some translators.

The KJV says: "and will put it upon them;"
The New KJV says: "and will put the same upon them;"

These following Bible verses give a better translation of Numbers 11:17 so as not to be to difficult for the unlearned, who think The HOLY SPIRIT is an "it"


ummm I wonder what is HOLY about an "it", a thing
Answer: nothing,.... but God is HOLY.


Numbers 11:17 (CSB) Then I will come down and speak with you there. I will take some of the Spirit who is on you and put [the Spirit] on them. They will help you bear the burden of the people, so that you do not have to bear it by yourself.

Numbers 11:17 (NAS) "Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.

Numbers 11:17 (NIRV) I will come down. I will speak with you there. I will take some of my Spirit that is on you. And I will put the Spirit on them. They will help you carry the people's load. Then you will not have to carry it alone.

Numbers 11:17 (NKJV) Then I will come down and talk with you there. I will take of the Spirit that is upon you and will put the same upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, that you may not bear it yourself alone.

Numbers 11:17 (NLT) I will come down and talk to you there. I will take some of the Spirit that is upon you, and I will put the Spirit upon them also. They will bear the burden of the people along with you, so you will not have to carry it alone.

Bamidbar 11:17 (OJB) And I will come down and speak with thee there; and I will take of the Ruach [Hakodesh] that is upon thee, and will put [Him] upon them; and they shall bear the massa HaAm (burden of the People) with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.

Numbers 11:17 (RHE) That I may come down and speak with thee: and I will take of thy spirit, and will give to them, that they may bear with thee the burden of the people, and thou mayest not be burthened alone.

Numbers 11:17 (TYN) And I wyll come doune and talke with the there and take of yt spirite which is apon the and put apon them ad they shall bere with the in the burthen of the people and so shalt thou not beare alone.

Numbers 11:17 (WYC) that I come down, and speak to thee; and I shall take away of thy spirit, and I shall give to them, that they sustain with thee the burden of the people, and not thou alone be grieved. (and I shall come down, and speak with thee; and I shall take away some of the spirit that is upon thee, and I shall give it to them, so that they can help sustain the burden of the people along with thee, and so that not only thou be travailed.)

Numbers 11:17 (YLT) and I have come down and spoken with thee there, and have kept back of the Spirit which [is] upon thee, and have put on them, and they have borne with thee some of the burden of the people, and thou dost not bear [it] thyself alone.

solite3:
yes it can be used for a person

solite3:
the body of Christ is only one

johnw74:
Lie Lie barristter

is as pathetic as false accuser jw jozzy, they ignore the plethora of scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a person
and cling to one which they don't understand.

they disbelieve the verses posted so as to support their satanic doctrines.

dolphinheart:
he will not answer that question, it will affect his false doctrine.

brocab:
I understand you won't be a partaker of the Godhead, only because you don't believe what Christ had said: but for us Christians we believe in everything Christ had told us-and if the scriptures say we are part of His Godhead-then it's true.
{John 17:21} That all of them may be one, Father just as you are in Me, and I Am in You, May they also be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent Me.
Haven't any of you 'learned anything from this one verse?

johnw74:
bull, false jw couldn't understand a simple example,
but it's more than just not understanding, false jw hates the truth
because it goes against false jw satanic doctrines.

false accuser liar jw jozzy doesn't believe a plethora of scriptures showing that the Holy Spirit is a person, and clings to verses which he doesn't understand to support his satanic doctrines.

The Holy Spirit: searches, teaches, can be grieved, seals, thinks, chooses, directs, forbids, lets,
preaches, speaks, sends, calls, gives work to do, calls Himself I, talks, is called "He",
guides, shows, glorifies, gives

an "it" - a thing, cannot do any of those, they are attributes of an intelligent being.
And all false accuser, liar, false jw jozzy can say in the face of all those scriptures is: "is IT used for a person ?"

Duh




it's amazing to see how all false jw's deceive, twist, and lie non stop, just like their pharacee fore fathers.
and just as the Bible shows they would:

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,


I know false jw jozzy doesn't, and cannot, understand things of God, but I like to show others how false jw lie and falsely accuse all over the place, and to see just which spirit is in them.

solite3:
I belong to the church of God

dolphinheart:
YOU COULD NOT REPLY TO THE POST DIRECTED TO YOU, THE NEXT THING IS TO QUOTE MY POST DIRECTED TO SOME ONE ELSE.




for the Greek text of acts 17:29, check this Web page:
biblehub.com/text/acts/17-29.htm

Theion may refer to
θεῖον, Greek for " sulfur "
θεῖον, Greek for "divine",
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theion_(disambiguation)


Englishman's Concordance
θεῖον (theion) — 1 Occurrence
Acts 17:29 Adj-ANS
GRK: ἀνθρώπου τὸ θεῖον εἶναι ὅμοιον
NAS: not to think that the Divine Nature is like
KJV: not to think that the Godhead is like
INT: of man that which [is] divine to be like

At acts 17:29 , Paul, when in Athens, showed that it is illogical for humans to imagine that “the Divine Being [to theiʹon, form of theiʹos ] is like gold or silver or stone.” Many translators here use terms such as “the Godhead,” “the Deity,” or “the divinity” ( KJ, AS, Dy, ED, JB, RS ), while E. J. Goodspeed’s translation says “the divine nature.”
According to The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, the expression to theiʹon “is derived from the adjective theíos, meaning ‘pertaining to God,’ ‘divine.’” (Edited by G. Bromiley, 1979, Vol. 1, p. 913)

Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon gives as the meaning “the Divinity.” (Revised by H. Jones, Oxford, 1968, pp. 787, 788)

So the phrase to theiʹon can be understood to refer to a person or to a quality. Obviously, then, the context must guide the translator in his choice of words. Here at acts 17:29, the context clearly shows that the person of God is being described, and so the expression is appropriately rendered “Divine Being” in the New World Translation. —Compare NIV.

Paul was a witness of the artistic splendor of Athens, developed around the worship of the Grecian gods and goddesses, and he showed an audience there how illogical it was that humans, owing their life and existence to the true God and Creator, should imagine that “the Divine Being is like gold or silver or stone, like something sculptured by the art and contrivance of man.” He thus demonstrated again that artistic beauty, no matter how impressive or attractive, does not of itself recommend any religion as being true worship.—Compare . joh 4:23, 24


At this point, I'll like to emphasis the silliness of brocabs attack on the difference in translations between the NWT and the KJV
Acts 17:29
NKJV: that the Divine Nature
KJV: that the Godhead
King James 2000 Bible: that the Deity

PLS NOTE THE DIFFERENCES IN THIS TRANSLATIONS AND NOTE WHAT THEY TRANSLATED THE GREEK WORD AS. THIS RUBISHES BROCABS CLAIMS ABOUT TRANSLATIONS ABOVE.

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For the Greek text of Rom 1:20, check this Web page
biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/1-20.htm

θειότης (theiotēs) — 1 Occurrence
Romans 1:20 N-NFS
GRK: δύναμις καὶ θειότης εἰς τὸ
NAS: power and divine nature, have been clearly seen,
KJV: power and Godhead; so that they
INT: power and divinity for

Strong's Concordance
theiotés: divinity, divine nature
Original Word: θειότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theiotés
Phonetic Spelling: (thi-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: divinity
Definition: divinity, divine nature
biblehub.com/greek/2305.htm

At romans 1:20, the apostle refers to the undeniable visible evidence of God’s “invisible qualities,” particularly his “eternal power and Godship [Thei·oʹtes ].” Other translations read “Godhead” or “deity” ( KJ, NE, RS, JB), conveying to many the idea of personality, the state of being a person.
However, according to Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon, the Greek word thei·oʹtes means “divine nature, divinity.” (P. 788) So there is a basis for rendering thei·oʹtes as referring to the quality of being a god, not the person of God, and this is supported by the context.
The apostle is discussing things that are discernible in the physical creation. For example, while the creation does not reveal the name of God, it does give evidence of his “eternal power”—needed to create and sustain the universe. The physical creation also displays his “Godship,” the fact that the Creator truly is God and is worthy of our worship.

The creative works testify to the fact that God exists. But, according to Paul, even certain of those people who “knew God” suppressed this truth. Rather than serving God in harmony with the truth concerning his eternal power and Godship, they made idols and worshiped these. Not being real gods, idols are an untruth, a lie or falsehood.
Hence, these persons, though having the truth of God, exchanged it “for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the One who created.” Their turning to the falsehood of idolatry led them into all kinds of degraded practices.— .Rom 1: 18-31

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θεότητος (theotētos) — 1 Occurrence
Colossians 2:9 N-GFS
GRK: πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς
NAS: the fullness of Deity dwells
KJV: all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
INT: fullness of the Deity bodily

At col 2:9 the apostle Paul says that in Christ “all the fullness of the divine quality [form of the·oʹtes ] dwells bodily.” Here, again, some translations read “Godhead” or “deity,” which Trinitarians interpret to mean that God personally dwells in Christ. ( KJ, NE, RS, NAB )
However, Liddell and Scott’s Greek-English Lexicon defines the·oʹtes in basically the same way it does thei·oʹtes, as meaning “divinity, divine nature.” (P. 792)
The Syriac Peshitta and the Latin Vulgate render this word as “divinity.” Thus, here too, there is a solid basis for rendering the·oʹtes as referring to quality, not personality.

A consideration of the context of clearly shows that having “divinity,” or “divine nature,” does not make Christ the same as God the Almighty. In the preceding chapter, Paul says: “God saw good for all fullness to dwell in him.”
New International Version
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him,
English Standard Version
For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,
King James Bible
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

Thus, all fullness dwells in Christ because it “pleased the Father” ( KJ, Dy ), because it was “by God’s own choice.” ( NE ) So the fullness of “divinity” that dwells in Christ is his as a result of a decision made by the Father.
Further showing that having such “fullness” does not make Christ the same person as Almighty God is the fact that Paul later speaks of Christ as being “seated at the right hand of God.”
col 3:1King James Bible
If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

Considering the immediate context of , it is noted that in verse 8, Christians are warned against being misled by those who advocate philosophy and human tradition. They are also told that “carefully concealed in [Christ] are all the treasures of wisdom and of knowledge,” and they are urged to “go on walking in union with him, rooted and being built up in him and being stabilized in the faith.” (Col 2:3, 6, 7 )
In addition, verses 13 to 15 explain that they are made alive through faith, being released from the Law covenant. Paul’s argument, therefore, is that Christians do not need the Law (which was removed by means of Christ) or human philosophy and tradition. They have all they need, a precious “fullness,” in Christ.— .col 2: 10-12.

BROCAB IS TRYING TO TELL US THAT THESE THREE GREEK WORDS MEANS GODHEAD, BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS RENDERED IN THE KJV, BUT TO SEE THE INCONSISTENCIES OF THE KJV AND THE TEXT IT TRANSLATED(THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS CONCERNING THOSE THREE GREEK WORDS, PLS CHECK THE WEB PAGE BELOW.
hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/questions/15746/what-does-the-greek-word-θεότητος-in-colossians-29-mean

Now let's put brocabs sincerity to the test, pls note if he will respond.
he had earlier said this:


now the kjv says this in 2 peter 1:3,4
King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

PLS BROCAB, IN YOUR REPLY TO THIS POST, PLS TELL, WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE PARTAKERS OF THE DIVINE NATURE.

note: some translations us "sharers" , "participate".
expo: 1 Co 15:50-54; Php 3:10, 11; 1Pe 5:1; 2Pe 1:2-4; Re 20:6.

goodnews201668:
I already knew you won't be proud of your church.

brocab:
In your case its called the watchtower this is the church you stand by.

brocab:
We do understand the JW's don't heal people-they just watch their love ones die.

johnw74:
Lie Lie jozzy

You keep calling liar where there is no lie, but that's just you taking after your god, while lying yourself.

Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night

The words "an imaginery occurence" means it's not real,
it's just giving an example.

I have to keep saying that you have no understanding at all,
and you keep showing it to be true.




^^^
@blue, And you once again show all of that to be true.

zodiakzax:
I am not Part of any denomination I belong to the body of Christ Which is The Church of God. You may call it however you wish.

zodiakzax:
your level of understand is 2 out of 100, and that is why you can never understand us. What or who is the Church? The church is the body of Christ and the blvrs are members of that body. Church is not a building or a place or a denomination. each individual believer forms the Church of God. When two or more are gathered there He is in our midst. Why are u surprise when he said he doesn't go to church on sunday? Is there any law in the scriptures That say sunday should be our meeting day? "A time is coming and has come when the true worshippers shall worship God in spirit and in truth.." I in particular Do Not Go To"church" on sunday. I have A rich fellowship with Jesus everyday. And whenever my other brothers are free we meet up and fellowship together. The law is "unless a man abides in Christ, you cannot bear fruit on your own". We ought to seek and abide in Christ daily. We indeed belong to the Church of God.

zodiakzax:
your level of understand is 2 out of 100, and that is why you can never understand us. What or who is the Church? The church is the body of Christ and the blvrs are members of that body. Church is not a building or a place or a denomination. each individual believer forms the Church of God. When two or more are gathered there He is in our midst. Why are u surprise when he said he doesn't go to church on sunday? Is there any law in the scriptures That say sunday should be our meeting day? "A time is coming and has come when the true worshippers shall worship God in spirit and in truth.." I in particular Do Not Go To"church" on sunday. I have A rich fellowship with Jesus everyday. And whenever my other brothers are free we meet up and fellowship together. The law is "unless a man abides in Christ, you cannot bear fruit on your own". We ought to seek and abide in Christ daily. We indeed belong to the Church of God.