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johnw74:
false jw joz

I explained it concerning the Word being God
and concerning Jesus being the son
and over and over again you show your non comprehension and confusion

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

johnw74:
yes I showed why He is



no mistake, no correction,
just no comprehension false jw jozzy

yes that's good the father of all doesn't have a Father

johnw74

Jesus is the Father of all

johnw74:
[s] false jw, I explained it and you can neither comprehend it or understand the Bible, which is of course understandable, the fallen angels at witchpower headquarters tell your elders, and your elders tell you what to believe [/s]

johnw74:
bro told you and you couldn't comprehend

I will put it another way and of course you again will not comprehend

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1Co 8:6 tells us that there is but one God the Father

John 1:1 tells us that the Word is also that one God

you say John 1:1 doesn't say "one" God and so to you He apparently is not the one true God
that the Word was with in the beginning
it just once again shows you have no understanding of the Bible

truly John was referring to the Word being with the same one God that 1 Cor 8:6 talks off
and John goes on to say that the Word was not just with that one true God
but that the Word was that one true God:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

false jw jozzy you have no comprehension of what is said and you have no understanding of the Bible
at all
just like fellow false jw lie lie barristter

The God that the Word was with in the beginning (John 1:1) is not the one true God, say false jw joz and barristter
amazing

udatso:
That's true. That was another's. sorry about that. Let me edit
Funny enough THIS FATHER OF ALL(Jesus according to them) has a father too

udatso:
Actually he didn't say Jesus is the Father. He said Jesus is a father but not the person of the father

johnw74:
bro it's amazing how false jw hate the truth they have some knowledge, but of the wrong kind they are told what to believe and what even to say
some people call that kind: zombies

johnw74:
lie lie barristter

duh, so unbelievable
John 1:1 tells that God and the Word is God
John is ofcourse talking off the one true God lie lie
or do you think John is saying God and the Word was some god, other than the one true God

there is only one God lie lie, one true God that is, and I needed to add - clarify that to such a twister of words - to such a lie lie

Jas_2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


you lie lie so blind:
2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you so wrong many times in your every post

brocab:
You complain John74 is twisting the scriptures-how can he be? because {1 Corinthians 8:6} says it as it sounds-Yet but for us there is but One God the Father from whom all things came, and for whom we live; and there is but One Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
So which is it? Through whom we live, Jesus or God? Or both? Don't forget there is only One God..

johnw74:
duh, false jw so without brain


The Father of all - God, does not have a Father

the Word become man - the son of God, does have a Father

and ofcourse you cannot understand having the wrong spirit, and listening to those fallen angels that visit witchpower headquarters

read my reply to lie lie barristter: https://www.nairaland.com/3084290/debunking-trinity-logic/2#47770682

solite3:
I expected you to deal with Isaiah 9:6 referring to Jesus as the everlasting Father not insults pls be better than this

johnw74:
Jesus is the Father of all because
He made all, nothing was made that He didn't make

ofcourse Jesus and the Father are two diffrent persons
but as we know, the one God
and as God He can be called Father as Isaiah for one called Him

solite3:
Jesus is my father,

is he not your father?

johnw74:
Lie lie barristter

you once again falsely accuse that I never answered A or B
and then you quote my over 200 word answer to A and B
talk about being blinded

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

you so big lie lie






that is not like your quote where you lied and misquoted Jesus saying
"ONLY the father is the true God", leaving no room for the Word being a person in God also

Jesus said concerning the Father "the only true God"
all your twisting and play on words won't make me forget your lies and misquoting Jesus,
nor will your repeating your same old lies over and over again as is a trait among false jw's, oh deceivers

our Lord Jesus Christ never taught "ONLY the Father is the true God"
you lied about what Jesus said, you misquoted Him.






yes I do and I believe the Word is also that one God, John 1:1 did you get that, one God, not one person

and " For Us there is one God , the Father " is not leaving out that the Word is also that one God
but your lie and misquote of what Jesus said: "ONLY the father is the true God" leaves out another person being that one God,
which the Word is, and so I agree with both A and B, however your quote doesn't agrees with either A or B

you don't believe the Bible and believe what your elders and what witchpower magazine tell you
your elders believe those fallen angels that visit witchpower magazine headquarters
telling them such things as: the Word is "a god", "the Savior of the World is "a god" "an angel"

you way big lie lie barristter

get yourself a lawyer, you would be in jail by now for perjury if this was a court room

Joh_8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Barristter07:
Johnw74



You are putting yourself in hot soup , it seems you don't know the meaning of " misquote " before you used that word.


misquote /mɪsˈkwəʊt/
verb
1. quote (a person or a piece of written or spoken text) inaccurately.
noun

2.a passage or remark quoted inaccurately.




the above reveals that before someone can be said to have misquote, such a person must have Quote the person in question.

and I asked you johnw74 on this same thread that , can you show me where I quote Jesus ? to justify your use of the word " misquote"

to which you, Johnw74 replied as at 1:22am on July 19 that:

" I never said you quoted Jesus " - Johnw74


with that statement , you nullify your accusations against me because a misquote doesn't occur until I actually quote the person in question . which you testified I didn't do .

johnw74:
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Jesus is often referred to as the Son, but not only as the son, I have posted many scriptures showing that Jesus is God
God is: God and the Word, John 1:1
Isaiah say's Jesus is the "everlasting Father"
and you false jw joz don't believe the Bible
and you know less than even lie lie barristter if possible, going on memory.



Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

solite3:
it will always be useless to you now.
Jesus is called everlasting Father and mighty God. Even God the father called him God.

Emusan:
When we tell you people to grow up you'll be forming strong head. Go back to reeducate yourself about Trinity.


Isaiah proved that Jesus is Father though not the person of The Father

and going by your earlier statement "the whole heaven and earth have just one single
Father . he is the one God" it means Jesus is God.



Teach me or you should learn how to reconcile different verses together.



My understanding or what you're trying to prove to us.

lordnicklaus:
@op. There is no mention of a burning hell in the oldest extant manuscripts of bible text.

Infact, the concept was a later addition.


"If your hand offends you, cut it off it is better to enter into life maimed than having two hands and going into hell, into unquencheable fire. Where their worms do not die and the fire is unquenched.
And if your foot is an offence to you, cut it off it is better to enter into life as a crippled than having two feet and thrown into hell, into fire that is unquenched. Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.
If your eye offends you, pluck it out. It is better that you enter into God's kingdom with one eye, than having two eyes and thrown into hell fire. Where their worm does not die and the fire is unquenched." - Mark 9:43-48



The above verse can not be found in the oldest text of Mark. It was a later addition in the text.

These texts were then found out to be spurious......

honourhim:
What concerns me with whether he is a member of JW or not? The point i made in my post was that hid belief was that of JW. when he is already attending their meetings what else are you saying? So you mean its only when you claim membership of an organization that you can share in their belief? Trash.

So you mean Jesus came and suffered what he suffered just to save us from physical death? I pity you. And if physical death is such a horrible thing before God why on earth should the righteous die at all in the first place? Jesus came to save you from physical death yet both the righteous and sinners are dying on daily basis. What kind of trash are you talking?

Trash.
Here is the biblical details of the Acts 24;15 you quoted-

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is for the righteous so dont lump it together as if the just and unjust will be resurrected same time.

The second resurrection is for the unjust and it will take place after the 1000 years reign so carry your false teaching out of here abeg.



My question remains-
Why will the sinners be resurrected again just for the purpose of killing them again? What sense does it make? Many of these people died thousands of years ago. many died in most horrible way, and you want to tell me that they will be resurrected again only for the purpose of judging them and killing them again? NO pls. They are being resurrected to face something worse than physical death and that is eternal torment.

Read through revelations 20 and stop deceiving yourself. I can see you are trying hard to paint a picture of an all loving God and thereby messing up yourself. Deceiver.

honourhim:
.

Liar. He has already admitted that he attends JW and study the bible with them so stop deceiving yourself.

Again, if everything ends in physical death why will God need to raise dead Sinners up on the last day only to kill them again? Does that make sense? You have failed to answer my question because you are afraid of the truth it poses before you.

johnw74:
The truth is dead to you, you must mean

You said "the Father" is the one God

are you now saying "The everlasting Father" is not the one God

are you then also saying Jesus is not "The mighty God"

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

The title "The everlasting Father" is referring to Jesus as the Word - as God
Jesus as flesh - as man, was often referred to as the Son of God, although many verses which I have posted more than once,
refer to him as God also.
But it takes the right Spirit to be able to understand that. Truth haters have been blinded.

johnw74:
duh, your own words from your own head say:



God's inspired word from God's own head say:

Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

And you question it.
However I know that the sect that call themselves jehovah's witnesses pick and choose
what they believe from the Bible.


You say Father is the one God, and you believe it

and when the Bible say's Jesus is the everlasting Father, you don't believe it

You barristter don't believe God's inspired word, you don't believe God.

honourhim:
.
You are deceiving yourself with your JW belief.
Why would God raise the dead at last if it is only to judge them and kill them again? Doesnt that sound stupld?
Wake up and face the truth. Sinners will be tormented forever and that's why those who died Sinners will be raised at last. If it is only about wiping them out then there won't be need to raise dead Sinners up again since they are already not existing again.

Udezer69:
Yes

Scholar8200:
Here are some of the passages you just mocked:

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day
2 Corinthians 4:16

16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man
Ephesians 3:16

So, it's a BIBLICAL term!

Now would you be kind enough to address the other post?

truthman2012:
You are spiritually ignorant, may God enlighten you. I suspect you an atheist, if so I don't expect you to be spiritual.