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Richirich713:
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,

I guess using ur logic Paul denied that the father was his Lord when he said Jesus is the only Lord.

This is what happen when you dont read your bible . It was the Father that give Jesus the title " Lord " . [ Act 2: 36] So paul respect that !

Richirich713:
I know the original Greek has no God nd god. The only reason we capitalized the G in god is to indicate the true God Is being spoke of.



Context determines how we translate from 1 language to another language.

It's translated as a god CUZ IT'S REFERENCE TO PAUL.

IF THE THEOS (WITHOUT THE ARTICLE) WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE FATHER SHOULD WE ALSO TRANSLATE IT AS A GOD.

As a matter of fact why don't we translate John 1-18 "a god" everywhere theos occurs without the article.

Should christians translate the bible like that ignoring context completely?

If so @ bold , ONLY the Father is the true God, Jesus is the person he sent . [John 17:3]

Richirich713:
And do u believe the father is God and there is no God besides him.

Yes . ONLY the Father ( 1 Cor 8:6 )

Richirich713:

Yahweh who I believe is a trinity.

This is the one God !

" For US , there is one God , THE FATHER " - 1 cor 8:6

Richirich713:
Wrong the bible says there's only 1 God, beside this 1 God there are no other gods, the other gods are false gods.

Who is the "one God" ?

Richirich713:
1st context determines how a verse should be translated from one language to another.

2nd if "a god" is right (which it is not) it directly contradictions (Isaiah 45:5) where God says there are no gods beside him.

3rd - No Greek new testament scholars agree with JW translations.

4th if jesus was a god, he should have corrected Thomas for saying he is " the God of me", he should have said to Thomas I'm not the God I'm a god.

The original greek doesnt differentiate God from god , like english language . Do you still need to be taught this ?


The greek word is " theos" , if "a god" is wrong , why is Act 28:6 rendered a god with refernce to paul ? Note: Theos is theos .

Richirich713:
Mere Humans are not called mighty God!

Humans are not uncreated.

All ANGELS are created beings !!!

Jesus is also created ! Jesus said he is " the beginning of the creation by God " Rev 3:14 .

Humans are not called the Lord of sabbath.
Humans do not called themselves the 1st and last.
Humans definitely don't call themselves the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc.

Jesus is not the God of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob . HE HIS A SERVANT to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

" The God of Abraham , Isaac and of Jacob , the God of our forefathers has glorified his Servant , Jesus " - Act 3:13

Richirich713:
U JW are the ones who don't allow scripture to speak for its self.

Don't u JW mistranslate John 1:1?

And also the above verse supports the trinity not ur JW beliefs cuz the verse says Yahweh is sending Yahweh.

If it ain't a manifestation Then what does the verse mean when it says Yahweh send Yahweh.

Why are 2 yahweh speaking? Plz explain since u say it ain't a manifestation.

Empty talk * ... After supporting the JW's that Jesus is an Angel .

Richirich713:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god." John1:1)

Is this allowing scripture to speak for itself?

Mistranslating a verse just because it says jesus is God.

Nonsense , if saying "a god" is mistranslation , The KJV also mistranslate Act 28:6 because it said Paul Is God (theos) ! It was rendered

" a god " ? is that right ?

Richirich713:
No I ain't ignoring that cuz that agree with the trinity. Just like the following verse shows:

Then you will know that the YAHWEH Almighty HAS SENT ME. Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. FOR I AM COMING, AND I WILL LIVE AMONG YOU,’ declares YAHWEH. ‘Many nations will be joined with YAHWEH in that day and will become MY people. I WILL LIVE AMONG YOU [/b]and you will know that [b]YAHWEH Almighty HAS SENT ME to you.(Zechariah 2:7-13)

Again agreeing with me, here Yahweh sends Yahweh which can only mean God send a manifestation of himself to his people.

So who is the sent in this verse ? Do you mean Prophet Zechariah is Yahweh ?


This is serious .

Richirich713:
Wrong I don't agree with JW who mistranslate the bible.

Hehehehe , see hypocrite .. Jesus is an ANGEL , YES OR NO ?

John 1:1 says jesus is God yet they mistranslate as always.

And how does that make Jesus Equal with the only true God Pls ... Even humans are called God . Does that make them the Almighty ? Start thinking

plappville:
Yahweh cannot be an Angel that why Jesus is not Yahweh and Yahweh is not Jesus.

Thanks dear , infact scripture clearly said : Yahweh ALONE is the most High God ( Psalm 83:18)

Richirich713:
Wrong the trinity does not collapse instead it supports it. Ur beliefs collapse cuz u a Unitarian(I'm assuming) , which leaves u with a problem cuz a "angel" in the old testament calls himself God almighty.

I have no problems cuz I believe the "messenger" is the Word of God, meaning God manifested his word in the form of a messenger.


U on the other hand( if u a Unitarian ) has a being u say ain't the word of God but a creation of God calling himself God, which is blasphemy according to the bible.

An angel is a " messenger" lol . Hosea 12 :3 ,4 where the angel that Jacob fight with is called God .

Note : you finally agree with the JW's that Jesus is an Angel . .

Richirich713:
Yes I believe God sent his Word to us humans.

And no I don't believe in the common misconceptions about angels having winds, cuz that ain't biblical.

Because in the Hebrew it just meanings messenger or sent. Which is what I believe.

God sent his Word

Since you agreed that Jesus is an ANGEL " messenger" of the Almighty God ! , the whole brick of trinity collapse !!!

Richirich713:
Clearly the Angel of Yahweh is a self-manifestation of Yahweh, for He speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and claims to exercise the prerogatives of God.

And Yes I'm saying I believe jesus is that messenger who is an manifestation of God in the old testament.

Wow ! So you belive Jesus is an Angel ?

Richirich713:
Not an angel, it's The angel of yahweh.

Just listen to yourself . Not an angel o , yet the angel .

According to the Old Testament Scriptures, this figure is an appearance of Yahweh in human form.

So Yahweh is an angel ?

Richirich713:
Are u seriously saying jesus is not flesh and bones even tho he says:

"FLESH AND BONE as you see I HAVE".

At that moment , he has it because he is materilizing a human body LIKE ANGELS DID IN THE PAST !

Scripture describe the ressurection of Jesus :

" He was put to death IN THE flesh [physical body] " BUT , " was made alive IN THE spirit [spiritual body] " - 2 pet 3:18

Very plain and direct .


" it is sown a physical body ; it is raised a Spiritual body . If there is a physical body , there is also a spiritual one " - 1 Cor 15:44

Richirich713:
That's the problem wit u so called christians. U pick nd choose.

Again if jesus was not the true God, he should have not have allowed people to call him God.

Since he allowed people to call him God either shows he was God in the flesh or was a false prophet who deceive many.

He should not be taking titles of God for himself.

He should not have been telling his disciples to pray to him.

Stop this nonsense , even an Angel allowed Manoah to call him God !!! - Judges 13 : 21,22

Richirich713:
Jesus said, "Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have FLESH AND BONE as you see I have," (Luke 24:39)

Jesus does not say FLESH AND BLOOD.

This is serious , really ?

" Even if we once knew Christ according to the flesh , we certainly no longer know him in that way " - 2 Cor 5: 16

Richirich713:
Jesus said, "Touch me and see, FOR A SPIRIT DOES NOT have flesh and bones AS YOU SEE I HAVE," (Luke 24:39)

Jesus says he has FLESH AND BONES.

The same way some angelic Spirits in past has flesh and bones just to be seen and touched .

We are told that Jesus is a SPIRIT ( 1 cor 15:45) .

Richirich713:
In John 2:19-21, Jesus said, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up." The Jews, therefore, said, 'It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?' But He was speaking of the temple of his body.

Not according to John and Jesus.

The body of Jesus wasnt found in the tomb . So therefore it was raised up.

The question is : How Could Jesus go To Heaven with a human body of flesh ( kidney , intestine , pancreas , p*nis ) and blood , when the scripture clearly said flesh and blood cant inherit Gods Kingdom ?

" there are heavenly bodies [body for heaven], and earthly bodies [body for planet earth ]" , says the scripture - 1 cor 15:40

Richirich713:
Jesus said, "Touch me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have," (Luke 24:39)

Good ! A spirit does not have flesh and bones .

" [Jesus] became a .... Spirit" 1 Cor 15:45

Richirich713:
Guy r u evens christian?

Ever hear of Jesus resurrection and his appearance to Thomas?

So how can u ask me if jesus is still human.

ANgels also appear as humans , does it mean they are humans ? U need to start thinking bro !

Richirich713:
Yes he remains his God cuz jesus is still human.

Haaaa !!! That means the Scripture that said " FLESH AND BLOOD cannot inherit Gods Kingdom" is lying ? Uh . a spirit does not have flesh and bones .

Yet you are telling me Jesus still have blood , flesh and bone as humans .

If Jesus is still human , it means he is still made lower than the angels !!!

You are indeed funny .

Obviously I don't mean spirit, I mean jesus is divine cuz he has the essence of God.

Even humans are divine .

" that through this you may become sharers in Divine Nature" - 2pet 1:4 . Uh

Richirich713:
Yes the father became Jesus God at his birth cuz he took upon a human nature.

Dont be deceived ! The father remains the God of Jesus IN HEAVEN ( 1Cor 15:24 )

Essence, means he is equal to God the Father in nature due to the fact that Jesus is God Word

Funny guy , what is the nature of God ? Lets see if angels dont have the same nature .

Richirich713:
Yes greater in position

That means they are not equal !!! Do you agree that the Father is THE God of Jesus ?

and authority

Authority ! That means Jesus is subjected to his commands .

not greater in essence.

Explain what you mean here ?

Richirich713:
Honor your father and mother, yes it does not say honor your father and mother just like u honor God.

The keyword is " Honor" , which even human parents receive .

John 5:23 even proves that the Father IS GREATER than Jesus

" so that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honour the Father who sent him " john 5:23

Is the sent greater or equal with the one who sent him ?

Richirich713:
Revelation 3:9 does not speak about the worship only to be given to God.

Really ! So there re different kinds of worship ?

That means those given to Jesus are not also the only worship Jesus said will be given to his God and Father ( Matt 4:10 ; john 4:24 )

Jesus instead told us to honor him just like we honor the father.

And When did honor start meaning worship ? " honor your Father and Mother" Exodus 20:12 does it mean we worship them ?

Richirich713:
Revelation 3:9 does not speak about the worship only to be given to God.

Haha ! So there re different kinds of worship ?

That means those given to Jesus are not also the only worship Jesus said will be given to the his God and Father ( Matt 4:10 ; john 4:24 )

Jesus instead told us to honor him just like we honor the father.

And When did honor start meaning worship ? " honor your Father and Mother" Exodus 20:12 does it mean we worship them ?

Richirich713:
If jesus was not the true God, he should have not accepted worship or being called God.

All you need to do is pick up your bible and read John 17:3 , Who did Jesus called the ONLY TRUE God ? His Father !!!

Accepting worship doesnt mean a person is the Almighty God , READ Revelation 3:9 where some humans also accept worship . Does that make them the Almighty ? Think !!!

Tjayjosh:
The bible never really kept us in the dark as to if satan was an angel. Metaphorically speaking, we were made to understand that satan was not just an ordinary angel, he was a cherubim. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and i have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou was perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore i will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and i will destroy thee O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire (Ezekiel 28:14-16). Note, here "stones of fire" denotes Angels.

THIS IS WHAT LEAD TO HIS FALL.
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground,

Whats the meaning of the word "ANGEL" ?

MuttleyLaff:
My point is simple and it isn't a trick question.
What is the word God and/or what is the word God all about?
Bear in mind the noun and adjective observation I earlier hinted about of the word before answering back please

Off-topic , re-read the thread title and content .