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Bacteriocin:
This one happened some years back while we were chilling in a local call centre in oluwo, abeokuta. The name of the last bus stop is police post because there is a police post in that area. This girl just came and called the person she came to meet to inform him she has got there. She put the call through and said, "hello, I'm in police custody. Come and pick me.
Everybody just swell like gari ijebu for her to leave so that we could burst.

Re you a student of Mapoly ?

@ Mutteylaff
What exactly is your point ?

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Good One

Osumare2013:
You've forgotten that Jesus died as a sinner on the cross. The sin of the whole world was laid on him.
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

And if the wages of sin is hellfire , why didnt Jesus go there to be purnished for our sins ?

Dont forget you said he died as a SINNER!!!

After death, he went to the lower parts of the earth to preach to the souls there. He also obtained the keys to death when he went down to hell.
1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Ephesians4:9(Now that he ascended,what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

So all the righteous men of old go to PRISON ? @bold

Joagbaje
Hell was first an abode for all departed spirits. Both good and bad. As the story of lazarus and rich man illustrates. There were two compartments. Separated by a big gulf. Righteous men like Abraham were not under tuture except the wicked .

Why this ? Show me the scripture that said Hell is divided into two ? Infact, Did Jesus say Lazarus died and go to a good side of hell ? He said : he go to Abraham Bossom literally " Abraham chest" or side ! Not good side of hell . Human traditions .

But after Jesus rose ,all the righteous men who were in the good side of hell which is called paradise were carried in captivity to heaven . So hell presently is only for the wicked .

Matthew 27:52 (KJV)
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Really? they forget to take David along .

" For David did not ascend to the heavens" Act 2:34

This is what happens when you tell lies . Here is your first statement .

My point to them is that Hell is a temporary abode for the wicked

Then you changed .

Joagbaje:
Hell was an abode for departed spirit both good and righteous .

You are just been " tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching " full of " deceptive schemes" -
Eph 4:14

Osumare2013

Unsaved soul go to hell after death

*Laughing* so Jesus is an unsaved soul ? Act 2:31 KJV

Joagbaje:
Awsome truth. My point to them is that Hell is a temporary abode for the wicked until last judgement. And they will, eventually end up in the lake of fire . Hell only has has tormenting fire . But Lake of fire is made up of fire

@ bold ... scripture said Jesus go to hell too , are you telling us Jesus is a wicked person? Act 2:31 KJV

Joagbaje:
The death here is not cessation of life. It's damanation from God. They wont die physically in the lake of fire . They will be ins eternal fiery torment

The scripture said Lake of fire is 2nd DEATH , death = die. ... And you contradict that simple truth with the underlined saying " they wont die" . The underlined statement sounds pretty much LIKE satan in the Garden of Eden , Satan " you will surely not die " - Gen 3:4 .

Joagbaje:
The wicked will end up in the lake of fire . Do you agree.?

Lake of fire is death not eternal torture .
" this is second DEATH " - Rev 20:14, 21:8 . Death is the opposite of life .

malvisguy212:
don't mind this guys bro.
"And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out, It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes,to be cast into HELL , WHERE THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (Mark 9:47-48)

First Jesus say the wicked shall be cast into HELL ,then His next statement seems to give the description of hell "WHERE THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED"

If you think this verse should be taken literally , pls why are so-called christians not throwing away their eyes from their socket since we all know there are many stumbling things on the internet and TV nowadays ? Answer ..

Ii ) what is the greek word rendered hell in this verse ? Is it an imaginary location outside space or a geographical location on earth ?

malvisguy212:
you see my friend, no matter how hard you twist the scripture one thing for sure , the sinner will not be allow into heaven , they will be left together with satan and his angels , this will not be a pleasant experience for this ungodly people.

He is not twisting , HELL never appear in the original hebrew and greek manuscript . Even Adam didnt return to hell . ( Gen 3:19) YOU (you , you) re dust and to dust YOU , YOU , shall return .

Joagbaje:
Hell is a temporal abode for the wicked,. It's a place of devil's also ,it's controlled by Satan. Hell being cast I to lake of fire has to do with its emptying it's content there .
Your theory that there is no infernal end for the wicked . Has been disproved by the scripture I quoted . The wicked ends in fire. Lake of fire . I think you should rather go back to double check on what you have believed and Compare it with new evidence instead of trying to make a mockery

That scripture is a hard pill for you to swallow , the bolded statement of yours is highly flawed because HELL has actually empty its content in verse 13 .

Face the straight statement , Death and HELL were cast into the Lake Of Fire ! Rev 20:14 HELL not its content .... How real is that to you ?

Joagbaje:
At least you agree that the wicked will end up in fire. That's my point. And that put your theory to silence

This calls for sound reasoning !

And Hell will also end up in Lake Of Fire .... How real is that to you ?

Joagbaje:
At least you agree that the wicked will end up in fire. That's my point. And that put your theory to silence

This calls for sound reasoning !

And Hell will also end up in Lake Of Ffire .... How real is that to you ?

Joagbaje:
Hell fire is an uderstatement. The end of the wicked is worse than Hell ,it is LAKE OF FIRE.

Revelation 20:15 (KJV)
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Yes . And what do you call Lake Of Fire ?

" and death and HELL were cast into the Lake of Fire" Revelation 20:14 .

So, HELL will also be burned forever and ever ryt ?

There is no HELLFIRE !!! Stop living in FEAR , serve God out of Love Not Fear .

johnw74:
1Co_12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord(kurios-Supreme God), but by the Holy Ghost.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie
cannot say Jesus is the Supreme God.
They cannot say it in John 1:1 either, changing their Bible to say Jesus is "a god".

They of course have not the Holy Spirit or the Son or the Father.

1Jn_4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Scriptures show that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh,
those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie
cannot say like the Holy Scriptures that God has come in the flesh
Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not, and do lie, have the spirit of antichrist

1Ti_3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Those who call themselves Jehovah's Witnesses, but are not and do lie, don't believe the Bible and change what it says.

Mr Seun and Mr. OAM4J , pls how does this post contribute to all the questions ask @ op .

What are you doing about people like this whose aim is to derail threads and deliberately attack other peoples faith ? .

johnw74:
Are you an authority on souls too
what is the difference between a soul and a living soul?

Soul is soul . !!! I know you are seeing that for the first time . lol

Just like animals , humans are also called Living Soul .



" .. God went on to form the man out out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a Living Soul " - Gen 2:7

When A Soul is alive , its called a " Living Soul" Gen 2:7

But When a soul is not alive ! , it became a " Dead Soul" Numbers 6:6

johnw74:
Some animals like some humans are naturally irrational, that's the way they are, you are like that
they can reason when not being irrational just like humans can
try to understand what is said if that's possible for you

Some animals are NATURALLY ( according to nature) irrational , thats how they are created ; why cant this kind of animals reason since they have ruach ? Ans pls .



NOTE : God did not create the nature of human beings irrational .

Anas09:
Brother, you didn't need to ask that. You shd ve just pasted the scriptures.

Gen 1:24 Then God said "let the earth bring forth living SOULS according to their kinds , domestic animals and creeping animals and wild animals of the earth according to their kinds" and it was so .



Gen 1:21 And God created the great sea creatures and all Living SOULS that move and swarm in the waters according to their kinds .


Rev 16:3 The second one poured out his bowl into the sea. And it became blood like that of a dead man , and every living SOULS died, yes , the things in the sea .

Anas09:
What is a soul?
A soul is a man's consciousness that functions independently from his body. Example is dreams, visions, thoughts, imaginations, most importantly. People who have been decleared dead, meaning, their brains stopped functioning, yet saw and heard things both from this world and the other world. Me, for one, I dream things before they happen. Clear and detailed events before they happen.

Consciousness is independent from the brain. The brain is not a thinker, but the processor. The operating system that runs the brain is independent from it as the software in your computer is independent from the CPU. Think of consciousness as the operating system using the brain as a central processing unit to interact with this world. We don’t need a brain to think any more than we need an oxygen tank to breathe or a night goggle to see. However if we want to scuba dive we need an oxygen tank and if we want to see at night we need night goggles.

Our consciousness is completely independent from our body. However, to experience this world we have to occupy a body made of the same substance. It is like you want to play a virtual game; you need to wear a pair of goggles and a headset. The goggles and the headset immerse you in the virtual world while they cut you off from the world surrounding you. If they malfunction your virtual experience becomes blurry and defective. What happens if the computer crashes? Then you remove the goggles and the headset and suddenly your vision becomes perfect. And you find yourself at home among your loved ones.
Now coming down to whether animals have souls. First of all, find out the Purpose of humans and animals here on earth. When you know that, then you can go on the find out the need for animals to have souls.
In Genesis 9:3. The LORD said to Noah, "every moving thing that liveth shall be meat(food)for you;even as the green herbs(vegetables), have I given to you, all things. And 1Tim6:18, the Bible says "Muzzel not the mouth of the Ox while it treaded out the corn. And in another place, a question was asked, why do u think God said that? Do you think God said that becos he values the animal more or for your sakes He said that? He says 'for your own sakes certainly".
God created animal for man, for food and to bear burden.


If you come up talking abt the souls of animals, that will be unscriptural, for I don't believe animals have conciousness.

@ Bold .. Sister its very very scriptural . Should I show you scriptures that confims it that animals are souls ?

johnw74:
You haven't a clue, 2 peter is not saying animals are naturally brute, the verse is comparing some persons to naturally brute animals, not all animals are brute, irrational, unreasonable




No 2 peter doesn't say that, you have no understanding of scripture



Yes and when a person is not irrational, he can have reason
same for animals






You just say whatever comes into your head,
read this on animal reason
http://www.humesociety.org/hs/issues/v29n1/boyle/boyle-v29n1.pdf





You can post all the wrong translations of that verse that you want to
"alogos" means unreasonable, your translation is wrong
also "creatures of instinct", is not in the Greek text that we get our English translated from
the translations that you quoted have added that.

2Pe 2:12 But(de) these,(houtos houtoi haute hautai) as(hos) natural(phusikos) brute(alogos) beasts,(zoon) made(gennano) to be taken(eis) (halosis) and(kai) destroyed,(phthora) speak evil(blasphemeo) of(en) the things that(hos he ho) they understand not;(agnoeo) and shall utterly perish(kataphtheiro) in(en) their own(hautou) corruption;(phthora)

Hian!!! @ color , so you know some animals are naturally brute or naturally irrational ?
Goood , those animals that are naturally unreasonable , dont they have ruach - spirit ? Why cant they reason since they have ruach ?

johnw74:
Oh boy, unbelievable, 2 Peter 2:12 is talking about persons, being like [size=25]natural brute beasts [/size]
these persons are described as being like brute beasts

Animals are NATURALLY ( by nature) brute , open your eyes nd read the underlined .

So whats the meaning of brute : you said
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Brute comes from the Greek "alogas" which means brute, irrational, unreasonable "

From your own statement above , we see that brute is same with IRRATIONAL and UNREASONABLE . And we told that animals are naturally that way ( 2pet 2:12) *cheers

Now what is irrational .

1. Without the faculty of reasoning ; deprived of reasoning .

2. Not endowned with the faculty of reasoning ; irrational animals .

Http://www.dictionary.reference.com/browse/irrational

these persons being unreasonable does not mean they cannot reason
just as brute animals being unreasonable does not mean animals cannot reason

Dont try to cover your ignorance that have already been exposed . Animals are created to act on instinct, brute by nature ( NATURAL) - 2pet 2:12 BUT Humans are not created to act on instinct .

That render your statement void .

You changed "unreasonable" to "unreasoning"
Changing,

Na jozzy write this bibles , shey ?

New International Version
But these people blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like [size=25]unreasoning animals, creatures of instinct, [/size] born only to be caught and destroyed, and like animals they too will perish.

New Living Translation
These false teachers are like [size=25]unthinking animals, creatures of instinct, [/size]born to be caught and destroyed. They scoff at things they do not understand, and like animals, they will be destroyed.

English Standard Version
But these, like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheming about matters of which they are ignorant, will also be destroyed in their destruction,

Berean Study Bible
These men are like irrational animals, creatures of instinct, born to be captured and destroyed. They blaspheme in matters they do not understand, and like such creatures, they too will be destroyed.

Berean Literal Bible
But these, like irrational animals, having been born as creatures of instinct for capture and destruction, blaspheming in what they are ignorant of, in their destruction also will be destroyed,


New American Standard Bible
But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,

Mutteylaff

Just because you have a Greek word for a jewish word doesnt imply the Greek word is authentic in meaning or concept

Its not authentic , yet Greek scriptures writers use it as equivalent . You think you will find sheol in the greek septuagint .

Regarding this your Rev 20:13 quotation , I doubt you athave any understanding of the relationship between sea , death and sheol in that verse ?

Mr , Dont avoid that question : tell us why those in the Sea are not said to be in Sheol ? Rev 20:13

MuttleyLaff:
My brother I thought you're too bright to want to fall for needing to drag out this verse
It doesnt take anything away from Sheol having two areas
It merely shows that there are more than one entry point into Sheol
and people will be returning or are just returning back, via their entry points

Whenever you say Sheol has two areas , you are actually saying Hades has two areas . ( and from the verse above , its clear not all the dead are in hades/sheol) Because Hades is the greek word for sheol ,

An hebrew translation will read :

" and the SEA gave up the dead in it , and death and SHEOL gave up the dead that are in them" rev 20:13

Why are those in the sea not said to be in sheol ?

johnw74:
You implied that a man's spirit doesn't go back to God when he dies
now you say it does

you have to twist, and change, and lie, and deceive, to cover up past lies of twisting ,changing, lying and deception.
Remind you of anyone.

Christians know the Truth-Jesus Christ

Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.









Of course a mad man can reason, probably differently to a sane man.
Of course animals can reason, they will walk away from a trap if it seems suspicious.
You though are not reasoning well,

@bold , Animals dont reason - "unreasoning animals " 2 Peter 2:12 .

MuttleyLaff:
[img]http://s3.postimg.org/gu2g44ub7/Lounge.jpg[/im
Everyone, after drawing their last breath, ends up in Sheol and remain there waiting until boarding to their final and respective destination

Sheol is like being in an airport terminal's departure area
The area where you (i.e. think of the Rich man here) hold your ticket, boarding pass and wait with your luggages before taking a flight to your final destination

Some airlines, as a service to premium or selected passengers operate airline lounges,
providing them with comforts in the lounges beyond those available in the airport terminal's departure area

These choice passengers (e.g. think of Father Abraham and the Poor man here), enjoy plush and more comfortable seating, quieter environments are provided.
Other privileges may include private meeting rooms, telephones, wireless internet access and other business services, along with provision of free drinks and snacks to enhance passenger comfort.
- looks and sounds like a place of bliss, doesnt it?

Sheol too, has a model similar to this:
There is the Rich man's side aka Hades
and there is Abraham's side aka Abraham's bosom aka place of bliss

Your two rooms in sheol hypothesis will fall and collapse when you discover that those in the sea are not said to be in Hades .

Rev 20:13
English Revised Version
And the SEA gave up the dead which were in it; and Death and HADES gave up the dead which were in them: And they were judged every man according to their works.
Can you now see that the those that died or drown in the sea are not said to be in hade's ?


The problem here is : considering those who teach Hades as the abode of the wicked , then no matter how wicked a person is , the scripture showed that they dont go to Hades if they died in the sea . Now if hades is a place of punishment like some suggest , IT WILL BE TOTAL PARTIALITY And Unreasonable THAT NO MATTER HOW UNrighteous A PERSON MIGHT BE SUCH a person wont even go to Hades, so far they died IN THE SEA .