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Speechless3:
Because they are business men

exactly

Jesus said only the father , HIS GOD .. Is good.

" Nobody is good except God " , when jesus say God , he was speaking about his Father (check john 14:1 ) .

malvisguy212:
if you follow the argument, you will understand my point, Jesus indicate Him and the father are ONE, and during the baptism, the Father affirm 'IN YOU I am well pleased' what does this mean? It mean Christ is a man who was possessed by God. The fact that christ eat, sleep,wash his face, proved he is a man. And in John 17 Jesus pray like a man to God in his human nature.

In YOU I am well pleased " means possession , when your Father delights in you and said : my son , in you I am well pleased , it means ur father possess you , even KG student knows it indicate an approval .

Why dont you carry another translation, so una go understand

" You are my Son , the beloved , I have approved you " - Luk 3:22

Even God call the son 'God'
Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, "Your throne,
O God, will last for ever and ever; a
scepter of justice will be the scepter of
your kingdom.

Vrs 9 says Jesus HAVE A GOD

alexis:
You are confusing yourself. You agreed that the First and the Last or the Apha and Omega is Jehovah Almighty God right. I agree with you, I am not denying that. The question then is - how come the First and last said He was dead? You agreed that only Jehovah can have these titles, why would Jesus even share these titles with Jehovah the Almighty?

@ jessicha .. Very brilliant answer

And mr alexis , @ underlined , the same wy Jesus shared the title of "apostle" with his disciples Hebrews 3:1 , only a silly person will say because they share title , then Jesus is actually the 12 apostles .

malvisguy212:
why do you keep on believing in false doctrine? Who say Jesus is the father? Let us quote the John 17:21-23

21 that all of them may be one, Father, JUST as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.

This verse is a prayer to all believers. In verse 21 the word "just" indicate it was an EXAMPLE , just as God is in Jesus, Jesus urge the believers to be ONE , Jesus was teaching how the disciples can have relationship with God,

okay

malvisguy212:
then you should be able to answer my questions. Analyze John 14:9-11.

1. Jesus is not the Father .

2 . The Father in me doesnt mean the Father dwells in Jesus , not a literal statement

Take for example john 17:21

" that they may be in us" , does it mean the apostles will dissapear to literally dwell inside Jesus and his father in heaven ?

malvisguy212:
you are picking word that suit you and ignored the rest, did you not read were I say "Jesus in his HUMAN nature called God His father?". Did I say in his Divine nature ? You need to go back and read the 4 gospel again, not just read but with the help of the spirit.

Absolute crap ! That means we men call God our father because of human nature ? When they become partakers of the divine nature , they wont acknowledge him as Father again ?

Jesus Call God his father even in the divine nature - Rev 3:5b

Jeromejnr:
We know all that Mr. man. That is not the point of my comment.

That was why I said her testimony should not be one you base your belief upon, it could be true or not true. How would you know?. Is it stated in the bible that people do not drive vehicles in heaven? how do we know if they do or not?

The point is stop killing yourself with things you can't understand with your puny brain right now. That is how the various man made doctrines most of you believe in are born.

Thank you!

Goodnight .

Dont let us divert the topic , the focus is who did Jesus Call God when he said : " nobody is good except God"

malvisguy212:
Jesus, his human nature, call God His father on many occasions. What did Jesus mean when He say "I and the father are ONE? " further more, what did He means in this conversation with Philip;
John 14.
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know
me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority.

I want you to carefully notice the last statement "The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority" what does this indicate? Jesus did not speak on His own authority, why ? Because it was the Father(God) who dwell in Him speak.

@ bold , you confirmed it that Jesus use God for his father . Thats the point

Jeromejnr:
There is a famous minister that went to hell and said that she discovered hell was a body. Body of whom? I don't know. Hell itself had legs, arms, a head e.t.c.


All those parts of hell were different chambers for different kinds of torments. The head I think was were the worst punishments were.

Now I am not saying that her testimony is one to base your belief upon. It could be true and at the same time not true.

But if it is true? will it not make sense that hell a body will be thrown in the lake of fire itself.

My point is, stop trying to kill yourself with trying to understand things that God has hidden (just to try and console yourself that there is no fire in hell or something)

" Beloved ones, do not belive every inspired expresion, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many False Prophet have gone forth into the world" - 1 John 4:1

Where is that nonsense @bold in the bible?

malvisguy212:
Jesus christ is a man who was possessed by God Himself, that is why He say "I and the Father are ONE" why dint you quote the rest of John 14?

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t
know where you are going, so how can
we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me. 7 If you really
know me, you will know[b] my Father as
well. From now on, you do know him and
have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father
and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me,
Philip, even after I have been among you
such a long time? Anyone who has seen
me has seen the Father. How can you
say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you
believe that I am in the Father, and that
the Father is in me? The words I say to
you I do not speak on my own authority.

Simple question : who did Jesus call " God" at john 14:1 ?

Anas09 ran away

Malvisguy212 , in as much as I enjoyed reading the above analogy , i disagree .

- when Jesus say " God" , he is refering to His Father .

For example : john 14:1 " exercise faith in God, exercise faith also in me"

The big question is : who did he identify as God ? Himself ? Of course , not himself but his father .

Bro , nobody is good except God ( The Father)

Exercise Faith In God ( The Father) - John 14:1

Emusan:
Imaging the @bold statement and you can even proud of it. Devil doesn't have shame at all.

You DELIBERATELY ADDED it just to make it supported your lies whereas that's not the actual meaning of the word. so you have to give AGATHOS in LUKE 18 A SPECIAL MEANING different from the way the same word was used in other places, God is watching you!

I even went further to help your ignoramus by giving the meaning of the two words (with a strong established Greek Dictionary) but instead for you to accept your error you're still trying to justify this plain lie, in fact Kalos is more deeper in meaning than Agathos as we see above.

Since you can openly deny Jesus being COMPLETELY GOOD, it's only God who can help you.

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Let me add this Jesus didn't deny being called Good in that verse but only asked the gentle man a question why do you call me good?


Jesus wants the man to give him reason why he called him good which is a method Jesus wants to use to lead him to salvation.

And the rest of their conversations show that the man didn't trust Jesus enough as the good man he called him if not the man would've sold ALL HIS BELONGING AND FOLLOWED JESUS IF HE ACTUALLY BELIEVED THAT JESUS IS GOOD rather he left home sadden without supported his claim with fact.

False religion and tradition has affect you so much to the extent that you cant identify the person Jesus call " God" .

Why do you call me (jesus) good ? . He then clarify " Nobody (which include himself) is Good except God (the Father) alone" Luke 18:18,19

A perfect example of this is found at John 14:1

" Exercise faith in God [the Father], exercise faith also in me [ Jesus ]" .

Jesus always use " God " to identify his God And Father !!!

Scholar8200:
I suppose it was an oversight but that place is Creature not Creation.

who is the image of the invisible God, the [size=13pt]firstborn of every creature[/size][size=14pt]:[/size] 16 for by him were all things created

The colon sign is used, inter alia, to introduce an explanation hence verse 16 was meant to explain the last statement in verse 15.

(Rule 4. A colon ... may be used between independent clauses when the second sentence explains, illustrates, paraphrases, or expands on the first sentence.
http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/colons.asp)
Indeed every jot and tittle is important



1. Creation gave birth to no one. I am sure you really wish (and are trying hard to make) that passage says "born by creation" but it doesnt because that is erroneous.

2. Adam was described as the son of God in Luke yet nowhere was he called begotten/brought forth! Only Jesus is ever called the Begotten of the Father. Why the switching of words in the Bible - made and brought forth within the same passage (Proverbs 8.)?

3. In fact, that it says First Born and not First created should have laid the matter to rest long ago!!! Show me a place where it expressedly says the Father created/made the Son.





Revelations 3:14 Jesus said He is the Beginning of the Creation OF GOD. Avoid substituting words to suit your purpose. This one you just did now set this passage against Colossians 1:15,16 were Christ is revealed as He by Whom all things were made!

Since you accept the words of Christ in Revelations, then Who alone can say this:

1. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelations 1:8

2. ..Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Revelations 1:17b

3. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelations 22:13

ALL SPOKEN BY JESUS

In the mouth of two or three witnesses, every Word shall be established. ^^^There you have 'em.

The Father said same of Himself:
And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end.
Revelations 21:5,6a

The highlighted colored scripture pronounce Jesus as the beginning of THE CREATION of God ? Yes Or No

johnw74:
Those who think the Holy Spirit is just a power can never know.

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1Co_2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Of cos , no wonder the word /Jesus/ cannot be anything other than Gods own spirit /holyspirit/ , jesus is the holyspirit

johnw74:
The clueless one puts his foot in it again,
the Father is also Spirit - God is spirit.

Okay , but what is Gods own spirit ? Holyspirit .
The word ? Jesus .




" the word can not be anything other than God's own spirit "

soulpeppersoup:
God beget through His word

What does it mean that God beget ?
God beget Jesus , tell us the process he used to beget Jesus ?

johnw74:
You keep showing that you don't have a clue,
as the word came forth from God, [size=25]
the word can not be anything other than God's own Spirit,

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and God was not created.
If you want understanding on 3:14 then ask someone else,
you know I don't waste much time on supposed jw and their followers or other non believers and anti Christs.

2Co 6:14 Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers; for what fellowship does righteousness have with lawlessness? And what partnership does light have with darkness?

At underlined , Jesus is now the holyspirit

Highcuerayte:
Your question lack coherency.

You can't have right answers to wrong questions.

Always learn to ask right questions.

Man beget by sexual intercourse ; explain the process that God use to beget Jesus ?

johnw74:
I don't answer supposed jw or their followere questions as they are not and never will be my teachers.
But again I'm suprised you agree with me that "God brought forth the Word from himself"
and I see you don't understand it.

Agree with you ? I agreed with rev 3:14 that said Jesus is " the beginning of the creation By God " which is exactly what you are expressing with that statement , but yet you didnt know you have said it .

johnw74:
Glad you agree with me, but you being a supposed jw follower,
I'm sure you must be confused.

Oga , the point is clear lol . God brought forth jesus from himself . - read rev 3:14


more , tell us how Jesus was begotten ?

johnw74
God bought the word forth from himself

GBAM!

Scholar8200:
This line of argument is not applicable here

Whether you like it or not , she makes a very good point .

Jesus remains the first BORN OF all CREATION - col 1:15 , that scripture is clear enough . He is the first person born of creation .
Firstborn always have beginning . If you doubt it , show me where the Father is described as firstborn of all creation ?

Rev 3:14 supports this , Jesus said he is " the beginning of the creation BY God"

Emusan:
Lol...
Just imaging I lift heresy online, well let see what mr no heresy has to say.

You ran to Greek as if you know what you're saying. With this your assertion then, it means NOT ONLY God is good but MANY PEOPLE and Thing are God

Agathos:
a primary word; "good" (in any sense, often as noun):--benefit, good(-s, things), well.

Kalos:
of uncertain affinity; properly, beautiful, but chiefly (figuratively) good (literally or morally), i.e. valuable or virtuous (for appearance or use, and thus distinguished from 18 {18 here is the Agathos}, which is properly intrinsic):--X better, fair, good(-ly), honest, meet, well, worthy.

Now let see how Agathos was used in the scripture and it's used more than 30 times.
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good (agathos) gifts unto your children,... 18 A good(agathos) tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,..." Matt 7:11,18
"A good(agathos) man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:..."

IN FACT THE MOST PERPLEXING IS WHEN PEOPLE ARE DIRECTLY CALLED GOOD (AGATHOS)!
"And, behold, there was a man named Joseph, a counsellor; and he was a good(Agathos) man, and a just:" Luke 23:50
"And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, [b]He (Jesus) is a good(Agathos) man:" John 7:12
"...which by interpretation is called Dorcas: this woman was [b]full of good(agathos) works and almsdeeds which she did." Acts 9:36

I can give you more references but let me stop here!

Like I said you lack scriptural understanding.

Everyone understood the reason why ONLY GOD IS GOOD not because of the Greek word that was used and for Jesus to claim to be GOOD it shows that He is God since only God is good.



Just imaging because Jesus must not be God then this can come out from you (it's obvious that people can see the spirit that is working in you), anyway God will have mercy on you.

I don't know how Jesus the creator, only sinless person will not be GOOD when the same Greek word AGATHOS was used for ordinary people even the Jews OPENLY CALLED Jesus Good (AGATHOS) "And there was much murmuring among the people concerning him: for some said, [b]He (Jesus) is a good(Agathos) man:" John 7:12



I don't need to address the rest of your points again because my heart pierced when I read what you wrote OPENLY, [size=14pt]Is Jesus GOOD (AGATHOS)? and your answer can be NO![/size]

You know the gravity of CALLING JESUS GOOD that's why you can go to the extent of deny Him, His wonderful privileged.

Shalom!

Here is my statement once again , " the greek word in Luke 18:19 is /agathos/ which means good in the COMPLETE inherent sense .
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I deliberately insert " COMPLETE " to distinguish the usage of agathos at Luke 18:19

ONLY God is good in the complete sense .

Jesus Humbly reject such a title to be reserved for God alone .

But you wont see that , instead you start googling for agathos

OLAADEGBU:
How will you explain the term 'Son of God'?

The Father and God of Jesus is never called "son of God " because he is UNcreated , .. That term simply denote everyone created by God nd with whom he has relationship with , even angels are called sons of God including Jesus !!!

How is Jesus the only begotten Son of God?

Simply because he is the only one directly created by his GOD ND FATHER , " FirstBORN of all Creation " Col 1:15 , other sons are created thru him ( Col 1:16)

Highcuerayte:
Man beget man,Bird begets bird. What God beget is God.

Man and bird beget through sexual intercourse , how did God beget ?

plappville:
Ok. But did He (Jesus ) said it in the bible that "I 'm God"? Did the old prophecy says the Messiah will be God himself ? He is to be like Moses. Not half God and half man. Moses was fully a man.

Dont mind these people , imagine the person you just replied saying " the father is greater that Jesus because of human nature " ; this nonsense simply means that the Father is greater than we humans because of our human nature , so when some humans finally become partakers of the divine nature , i wonder if the father will still be greater aftrall they aint humans anymore . Nonsense .

Emusan:
Seriously, just see how you twisting my point.

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Anyway that's how a typical JWs behave.

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Who is the only true God ? You said the creator of heaven nd earth , what is his name ? You said I am that I am .
We can nw know who the only true God is , exodus 3:14,15 said the I am that I am is Jehovah , the God of Abraham , Isaac nd Jacob , so I insert this into john 17:3 and it made perfect sense .

Jesus identified Himself as I AM if that's where you're going.

Then insert that into john 17:3

" their coming to know you the only true God [ I am , Jesus ] and the one whom you sent , Jesus " do we have two Jesus ?

Who is knocking ? " I Am" ... Countless millions of people identify themselves with " I am " everyday , does it mean they are the God of Abraham ?

.......

At judges 13:11 , an angel also identify himself with "I am".

this servant created everything which made Him Your Creator.

Master Worker PR 8:31

Emusan:
He won't answer you because he has put himself in confusion, he asked question which himself can not answer.


He can't say Jesus is GOOD since only God is good

Statement from Jesus himself .

neither can he say Jesus is a bad person.

Apply that logic at underlined to your question .

Emusan:
Attacking strawman!

This is how you'll know that you lack scriptural understanding and how you prove that Jesus is God since only God is good.

In John 10:11 Jesus called Himself "The GOOD shepherd" since Jesus is good THEN HE IS GOD.

This heresy that you lift online is baseless , the greek word in Luke 18:19 Is /agathos/ which means good in the complete inherent sense , much deeper than John 10:11 which is /kalos/ beautiful, good .

Don't boycott my question for the last time!
Answer me: is Jesus a true God or a false God
Lol...Bible student saying Jesus didn't refer to himself as good this is the highest JWs can go to hide the truth about Jesus Christ don't worry you have helped us confirmed that Jesus is God since only God is good.

Is Jesus good /agathos/ ? No , He clarified in Luke 18

Is he a bad person ? Not at all .
gud
Is Jesus the only true God ? No , he clarified in John 17:3 .

Is Jesus a false God ? Not at all .