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Oba234:
okay, I am going to let you think what you think you know about me. Okay, I am a dude or I am also a Tomboy, whatver makes you sleep better at night, think of it. I might even be a Transvestite. Whatever, I am done. NEXTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Just my thought. I could be wrong. Didn't mean to make you feel bad ok? I just prefer clean and enlightened discussions. No need for insults.

bluespice:
Not one to call the integrity of the Bible or the wisdom of God and those that wrote the books into contention,
but imagine if that verse existed without the word 'submission'?
imagine it was replaced by mutual-understanding in love(which is really what it means) imagine the amount of discussions and arguments that wouldn't have taken place?

Unfortunately for you, it has the word. It is the Word of God. He made you out of a Man, so he knows why you should be submissive. Respect it dear.

GL:
i was actually agreeing with your post till i got to the bold part and felt like i'd just been hit in the face. NO man can own me, not the wealthiest, most loving, most handsome, godliest man. i'm NOT a piece of property, i don't want to own my husband so why would he want to own me. i'm a submissive and loving type but can't see myself as a man's property ever. it's a shame if a man can only feel responsible when he feels he owns me because i dont even plan on owning him and yet i choose to submit to him and love him. rather than feeling threatened i expect a man to feel honoured that i can walk away from him anytime but i won't. if that doesn't scream love, i wonder what does.

The Context in which I used ownership is different from just owning a piece of cloth. My Idea of ownership is that after marriage neither you nor your husband can have any kind of marital affairs outside yourselves and your Family. Your husband's marital love, responsibilty and care must be shown only to you and your children. in that case he has been taken. The same goes for you.
You own your man and your man own you. That is why it is considered unfaithfulness for him to fall in love with any other woman outside you.
It can be likened to constraining yourself to only him because you are his own and he is yours.
IT does not mean that your husband has bought you and kept you as a furniture. Nah! It means that you are no more available for other Men and he is no more available for other women.
I don't surpport gender inequality. I antagonise it feverently. But Culture and natural family responsibilities must not be overlooked.

victichy:
I think the woman should fully obey thier husband. because they are the breadwinners of the house and more as the standard figure in the household.

On point.

@Oba 234: Any observer will confirm what I said. You can never make statements in your life without being insolent. One does not need a native doctor to know that.  

I don't know your sex, bt I can guess that you are probably a man. It is men that talk with such bullish force and brute expressions. If you are a Lady, Then you must be a tom-boy (No insult intended).



@Bluespice: Guess what, The statement you replied to was typed by a Lesbian. However, If you are not a Lesbian, say it boldly, Then I will conclude that you must be a child.

@Bluespice: I understand your anger and frustration.  

@Oba234: I doubt if you can ever make a proper statement in your life without being insolent. I would have been amazed if you had corrected your insult infested question.  

bluespice:
that's it
i quit
you are clearly set in your ways of folly and no amount of education (or attempts) can wring you free
my heart goes out to those unfortunate to be in your company ever.

I didn't insult you babe. I stated facts. Take it easy dear. You r hurting yourself.

Oba234:
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are you A SlowPoke? are you really comparing a child's submission to a parent to a grown adult?? News flash, your Wife is a grown adult. She is a human being just like you. Do you like being submissive to somebody? African men and their false sense of superiority is laughable. Please check you ego and if you want something that will obey your every order. Thats what a Dog is for. Go marry one, I am pretty sure you will be satisfied.

A statement that starts with an insult is not worth replying. Put it properly to get an answer. It is only animals that insult people unnecessarily

bluespice:
will you seriously get the fc-uk outta here with your pathetic attempt at a sensible post?
do you know what submission is?
do you know what submission entails?
if i don't want to lick any dumb fc-uk's arse irrespective of gender and that makes me the most un submissive woman on this planet, how the fc-uk is it your problem?[/b]get off my ti-ts already!!
ps: lesbians are human beings and not a different race or specie, whatever applies to straight people applies to them and other gay people also, so do yourself a favour and get educated or shut your gob

Exactly my point.  I have alot of Lesbian friends. They are so many that I make some mistakes when I am with a straight girl. I respect their ways and they respect mine.  So dear, all the insults just revealed that you are in an emotional trauma (No insults intended)
Like I said before, I understand you. [b]There is no need to tear your skin.
It is Simple, You cannot be Submissive to a man. I understand and respect that. You are a lesbian, I don't expect you to be submissive. People like you can never be.

sexyLeamon:
I heard a sermon on this a couple years ago; most of it I've forgotten (unfortunately) but one part that's stuck with me is that while the verse does say for wives to submit to their husbands, husbands are supposed to love their wives and not abuse them. While the husband is the head of the relationship, he's still supposed to look out for his wife and act in a way that will enhance and encourage her and the relationship, not just do whatever he wants and expect the wife to go along with it. Also, the wife is still supposed to support and encourage her husband, and this includes letting him know if he's crossing the line and heading in the wrong direction.
Basically it's about loving each other and having mutual respect, supporting and guiding each other. but African men take things so differently.

Submission doe not mean slavery. Some cultures and religions surpport Wive's slavery. However, Christianity does not surpport it. It surpports submission of Wives to their role in the Family. Husbands also have some submissions to make to their wives. A Wife's submission is bigger, while the husband's responsibility is definitely bigger.
Westerners, especially those that doesn't have religions and cultures just live their lives without a specific pattern. This explains the high divorce rate in those areas.

bluespice:
your argument is invalid

I'v told you what to do. Continue being a Lesbian and don't ever think of getting into a happy marriage.

I don't expect a lesbian to be submissive, so it will definitely be invalid to you. I understand.

bluespice:
if you couldn't see that i directly rebutted everything you said to make a point,
tell me how am i wrong in saying you're tiny brained?

Why turn back on a statement that you made emphatically, when there was no hint to make a right thinking person doubt it.
It is only tiny brained people that would have doubted that statement you made. It really fits you. For Real.  

GL:
u think it's pathetic that a woman doesn't want to be ordered about? what's wrong with a woman wanting to be respected? if you cannot love such a woman, there are men who can. a man who treats his wife as a glorified slave is pathetic.

btw, why do people say "be a lesbian" or something like that anytime a woman refuses to be walked over by men. i like to believe that some guys actually want women they can regard as equals. however, i'd rather be a happy spinster than a slave-wife.

Dear GL, Check the real meaning of being submissive to your husband.
When you are submissive to your parents, it doesn't mean that you are a slave. You still get the same care, love and respect that is due for Children.
Women needs to be submissive to keep the relationship working. It is not only cultural, but natural.
Your husband will only feel the pinch of responsibility when he feels and know that he own you, and is responsible for your psychological and physiological wellbeing. He will find it difficult to fall into other women's trap when he is aware that no Woman can ever be as submissive as you are to him. It is a Wife's submission that makes a Man seem like his wife's fool in the face of his married friends who are fighting for sex supremacy with their wives.

bluespice:
you're so tiny brained it's adorable

A tiny brained person cannot predict that you will definitely not get into a Happy and long lasting marriage with a Man.

It is tiny brained people that derive pleasure from relationships with people of the same sex.

Intelligent Ladies know how to be submissive, yet very attractive forever. That Way, they keep their Men in love for eternity. Being submissive doesn't mean becoming a slave. It means giving yourself to your husband to love. Once you see it as slavery you tend to be wornout and unattractive in it, thereby putting your man off. He gets tempted when he sees more attractive women.

However, I don't have any problem with you being gay because it will save men from mistakingly falling for you and getting in your marriage trap.

bluespice:
several steps ahead of you.
i'm not marrying, i don't believe in love and i'm lesbian.

Very Good. That way, you can remain very happy. I'm happy for you.

bluespice:
It doesnt begin to materialise when they marry, sh1t starts when they dating. If i'm dating you, you have absolutely no right to tell me to do your laundry (the fc-uk we got laundrettes for?) if you're sick or other wise indisposed, that's understandable lil things like this are examples; submission to many people (both men and women) is another word for glorified slavery. Glorified cos you get to live in the same house, sleep in the same bed, bear the same surname (the doods will rarely ever let her retain her maiden name for any reason), and have intimacy together.

You are Pathetic babe, very Pathetic. You better go and get married to a foriegn geek to avoid heartbreaks. Any Nigerian man that tells you that he's okay with your attitude does not LOVE you. He either loves your money, or is in the relationship for some lustful reasons. He will leave you as soon as he is well to do or satisfied, and look for a more submissive woman.
My advise, become a lesbian, or an independent spinster, or a constant divorcee.
Forget a happy and everlasting marriage.

Foriegn babes are more Submissive than Nigerian babes. Fact! They know the value of Nigerian Men.

I foresee a growth in the rate of Umarried female adults in Nigeria due to their Neglect of basic cultural and Natural marital roles.

If a woman is not submissive to her Man, then She shouldn't get married. She should keep flirting around to make men submissive.
Afterall, it is men that fall head over heels (In Love) with them more. That is why they treat men like fools who don't know what they want.

Caution for Women that are not submissive: Your husbands will definitely cheat on you once he sees a more submissive woman around. It is pure human nature.  

Michelin 89 is "nobody's" fool, but she expects a man to be a "fool" by really falling in love with her!

It's a funny world. May I never meet someone like Michelin 89. I'm scared!

[quote author=bk_baybe99 link=topic=381076.msg5312222#msg5312222 date=1263454525]Hahahahaha, at freakn, fu . .cking last an enlightened answer!!! This is all I've been asking instead people came on here throwing all sortsa verbal grenades cus according to them "some questions just shouldnt be asked". Once again, thanx for your reply. It was highly informative.
P.S: You didnt have to include this as I honestly had no intentions on making the Ibos on here feel insulted. Of course I had a feeling that the discussion might be highly charged, and of course I probably did instigate it by certain choice words (wordings), but my plan wasnt to overly insult your tribe. Thanx again[/quote]You are Welcome dear.

I added the last part to understand your intention for posting the topic. Some forumites post topics to brew intensive ethno-religious debates. I'm not really down with that. As far as your topic is concerned, I assumed wrongly. The last statement in my answer was not meant to show my disapproval for your topic, it was meant to aid my understaning of your intention for posting the topic.

@Bk Baybe99:

The Answer to your question is that there are so many Niger-deltans with Igbo roots. There are alot of tribes that have an Igbo ancestrial background in Niger-delta, though most of them may not want to be identified as Igbos.
However dear, Igbos are looking for Biafra for a bigger and better reason than claiming Oil. We have a handful of Oil wells in Abia, Imo and Anambra (Those are core Igbo lands) Igbos are not crazy about Oil. We need a society that works, where making "legit" money can be easier.
Like me, There are millions of igbo people abroad that are doing well. It is painful that We spend all our money investing abroad, and not home because of the visible lack of basic infrastructures, which is as a result of the neglect of the region by the Northern and Western dominated Fed. Govt in Nigeria. It is far far beyond oil. Personally, I need to spend money in my country where my investments will be protected, where it can multiply and where I can be treated equally with my fellow countrymen interms of governmental packages.
The koko of the matter is that Igbos need the freedom to really express themselves. We need a fair and working environment to explode!
If Niger-deltans are given the choice of joining a region if Nigeria divides, They'll prefer to go with the Igbos than the Yorubas and Hausas. It is  a clear fact. Though Many sycophants may want to deny it, they are only spewing their thoughts and wishes. But, Igbos will never fight to have ND (Especially the non-Igbo parts) as part of Biafra. If they feel that they will be better off as a country or with any other region, good for them. All We Igbos need is a good environment to make MONEY and Spend it happily.

Igbos don't give a damn about Oil. As you know, Igbos have survived and will always survive without Oil.

That's my answer to you.

If I get an insolent reply from you, I'l conclude that your motive is very tribalistic.

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It is what you can do (practical Skills) that matters more. If you can stimulate profit in an organisation, then you only need an MBA to gain the employers attention. However, If you go in there and sit like a lame duck without doing anything, the wind of change will blow you away, MBA or No MBA. Prestigious school or no prestigious school.

Nigeria is now synonymous with under-development. Some call her the “shame of Africa”, while others continue to chant the slogan “The sleeping giant” each time she comes to mind. One keeps wondering why a country with so much natural resources, demographic advantage, intellectual abundance and regional might can be so under-developed. However the solution is not farfetched.
The solution is “VERY” easy to achieve, but there are various factors that has always served as impediments to the realization of this solution.
I will discuss the solution and explain why it has not been achieved despite its visibly easy nature.
Solution: Con-federation
The present Federal structure of Nigeria is a big sham. The categorization of the regions into states is her biggest undoing. This, among other things has further divided the country into smaller bits, thereby ensuring that ethnic differentiation is achieved, which sometimes results in ethnic conflicts among ethnic groups e.g Aguleri/Umuleri, Ife/Modakeke, Hausa/Fulani etc.
The regional status was better and more manageable, than the present state structure. This is because the feeling of belonging to a region creates a natural “Togetherness” at that level. However the federal system is not suitable for a regional government system. We need a CON-FEDERATION. A con-federal system will ensure that the regions function as different independent entities bound together in a country, with a weak central government. What this means is that:
1. Regional wealth will be managed by the regions in which they are found, and an allocation will be made to the central government to use and function as a stabilizing factor. If crude oil is found in the Southern region, they should be allowed to manage it and make profits for themselves with a monthly allocation to the central government. Same goes to the Agricultural, Service and Commerce capabilities in the East, West and North.
2. Basic infrastructures will be provided on a regional basis, with a 90% determination and management from the regional government, and a 10% input from the central government. This way, Gas can be used in the south, Coal in the East, Atomic energy in the West and Dams in the North.
3. Social, Ethno-religious practices can be reflected in the political systems that will definitely differ among the regions. In the North, there may be a structured religious based political system, a structured political system in the West, a less structured political system in the South and East. This will enable the people choose how they hope to be governed for the overall growth and development of the country.
4. The establishment of basic Central government facilities in each region, depending on their capabilities. E.g. a National university of Nigeria can be established, with the Engineering school sited in the East, the medical school in the West, the Agricultural school in the North and the social sciences school in the South. This will just complement the regional universities that will be established by the regional governments. Like that, National airports, Seaports, Hospitals, Police, electric power etc should be spread to complement the regional ones.
5. The creation of a national conflict resolution body (Ombudsman), which will be made up of professionals from different regions, and make a constitutional provision that will make it very difficult/impossible for regional conflicts to occur.
With a confederation;
1. There will be a natural creation of competition among the regions, which will ensure growth and development.
2. The people will be very close to their representatives. Unlike at present where a corrupt politician will depend on Abuja for protection.
3. There will be more efficient execution of functions and policies due to the urge to grow beyond other regions and also due to the consequences of the people’s reaction. E.g If the North becomes very developed despite their lack of rich natural resources, and the South remains impoverished, questions will be asked in the South and it may not rub off on Nigerians in other regions. The Militants will not need to go and blow Lagos; they will face all the Iboris of the world and blame themselves.
4. There will be less feeling of Marginalization.
5. There will be better provision of better infrastructures. For example if the East still finds it difficult to create electric power from gas/coal, they can buy the atomic energy that may be in abundance in the West or better still buy more gas from the South. That way, it will be a win-win situation.
Why we may never achieve this dream;
The Cunning nature of the North, the Gullible nature of the West, the Greedy nature of the South and the Submissive/Defeated nature of the East has ensured that the failure to achieve development is maintained. The Northerners (Most influential due to a good regional political structure) does not believe that they can succeed without the South’s crude oil (Despite the visible abundant agricultural capability they have), so they use their well organized regional political system to influence the West to abandon their admirable service based economic system and set their eyes on oil. By doing this, they naturally trample on the East (Whipping region) who has no choice but to follow, and they exploit the South who are just too greedy and selfish to understand that collectivity is the key to their redemption.
The North will always fight a system that will leave them with no option, but to ensure development. The West will always be manipulated by the North, mainly due to their similarities in some Socio-religious areas, which has made them so gullible that they believe that their might is on Oil. The East will remain a Defeated region except it decides to take things up (Which may result in another war). The division that has pitched some of their brothers to the South has made it difficult for a collective effort towards their redemption. The South will remain crying twins whose mother’s bosom is being sucked by the man next door, while they fight each other.
With the arrangement above, a con-federation may never be realized. Nigeria’s development may remain elusive, because the federal system we have at present is meant to complement the arrangement that I explained above.

Nice One!atleast it is better than castigating achievers on Nairaland due to boredom. LMAO!

Next time call them "Kings of Genocide!"
They are professionals at that

LOL! This is just the beginning!! Watch out for part 2!!!!!

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He was a Hero.

PupetMasta:
If I become the president of Nigeria today I will do the following (only no 1 is in the rite other, the others are in no particular order)

1. Work on the constitution: Aspect of the constitution I will first work on is giving death sentence and confiscating properties of present and past corrupt leaders and public officers, pls note their death will be televised on national tv. I will decentralize power by bordering the six political zones of the country and giving then autonomy (i.e there will be an overall head for each political zone that will be more powerful that the individual state governors and these heads will be the VPs to the president), I will separate bodies like INEC, EFCC, ICPC from politics and they will be truly independent. I will remove federal character cos everyone will manage his resources, although at the initial take of power to 10 yrs time I will try to help each zone to provide infrastructures that can make it autonomous using oil money. I will make laws that favor a capitalist system, aspects that will not be handled by private individuals will be military and maybe health
2. Power: I will hand over power management to each geographical region, let them generate and distribute as they seem fit with the help of private sector.
3. Infrastructure: Standard Roads and rails will link all regions to one another. I will run at least 3 to 4 airport as federal in each region depending on the size of the region (some might be 2). Please note all will be PPP but at the federal level.
4. I will develop a better identification system (biometric) that will facilitate taxing, banking, health, education, security etc.
5. For health, I will run a system close to that of the British NHS system, I will give free health to birth-14 and +65
6. Education will be compulsory and free till secondary school, parent that don't comply will be categorized as child molesters. I will stop the craze on BSc. by supporting technical schools, sport schools etc. It will be compulsory to run gym and sports in schools and pupils must participate in it.
7. I will privatize NTA and the rest. Sports will be removed from the hands of Government, each region will have its own police, but there will be a federal police like the FBI. I will improve Military and provide military base (1, 2 or 3) in each region, i will encourage recruitment into the police and military by improving pay and benefit and attractive.
8. For security, it will be compulsory to have working CCTV in public places, there will be general emergency line for all region, police will be made to walk among people and not drive cars in loud sirens, no road block, I will employ technology (like number plate recognition system) and animals (dogs) in combating crime.
Consumers will be powerful and dictate what they want.
Please note fake drugs, fake and substandard products, bribery, forgery, yahoo yahoo, 419, election malpractice etc will be tagged as corruption, therefore it will take the death sentence

Very impressive

idupaul:
offline nigerians are dangerous as they can blow up planes for alqueda

LWKMD

No wonder Nigerian men now prefer to marry foriegners.

The point is why would I want to marry a Nigerian lady that will see issues with  a simple thing as washing my cloths, when there are hundreds of "Oyibo" babes dying to do more than that for me,  so that I can show them the type of obsessive love Naija men are known for?  
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A typical Naija Man will feel more comfortable taking this bullshit from a foriegner than from a Nigerian lady because of the understandable cultural difference.

Since when did the "GENDER" question start in Nigeria?

God purnish satan![size=8pt][/size]

johnkent:
Typical Nigerian man. Grow up. With this attitude, you'll neva get a visa to leave nigeria.

Ok, I can see why you reason like a culturally confused person. Leaving Nigeria is your priority.

I guess you may not be matured enough to be argued with.