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Zahra29:
Imagine, Trump's view is that they don't need to guarantee security because Putin respects him and would not dare attack if he, Trump, asked them not to 🙄

How naive.

I don't even mind that the US stands to benefit heavily from the mineral deal. That's life and it's understandable that they want some of their money back. But Ukraine needs that security backstop because Putin is inherently dishonest and sneaky. He would attack US mining companies in Ukraine and then blame Ukrainian forces/militants.

Exactly!! when i first read about this deal on BBC website and the demand for security i thought it will never work because Trump will not be willing to harm his friend Putin.

They wanted to shout down Zelensky, force him to sign the deal and dude refused to be intimidated behind close doors and in front of the press, their massive egos got smashed then you started hearing stupid stuff like...have you said thank to the president today? I made you a tough guy, you don't have the card, you are not a tough guy without America.... bla bla bla

This is a failed robbery

Zahra29:
Agreed. Russia is no real friend, ask Assad who enjoyed Putin's support until it was no longer expedient to him.

There are reports that China's and Russia's intelligence agencies are stealthily recruiting US Federal employees who have recently been fired or at risk. No doubt looking to leverage on their disgruntlement with Trump's adminstration. Soviet spies loading....

To the bolded, Ukraine actually had nuclear weapons but in 1994 it signed up to a treaty with Russia and the West (including the US) to transfer these weapons to Russia in exchange for security assurances to respect its independence and sovereignty. A few years later, Russia, who was one of the parties in the agreement, invaded Ukraine and hasn't stopped.

This is what lead to what happened yesterday, Trump and his VP invited Ukrainian president to sign a deal for exchange for security but when he got to US Trump and his team changed their mind and refused to include security as part of the deal, Zelensky refused to sign the deal and that angered Trump and his team...that anger was what we witnessed yesterday.

Guess who will benefit from the mineral deal? Musk, Tesla battery needs the mineral material and he was pushing behind the scene to get the deal done.

AgentXxx:
Russian is winning this war unless we want a World war 3 which the US isn’t ready for. Plus I think we are only assuming Putin would go for Poland. He didn’t go for Ukraine until they said they wanted to join NATO and we know the Ukrainians and Russians are brothers.

You are uninformed.

Zahra29 has done justice to your inaccurate narrative.

JustAPasserBy:
Donal Trump claimed he cares about Ukraine and how Ukrainians on the forefront are dying.
If Zelensky surrenders today, will Russia still kill Ukrainians? Hell NO.
War ends.

Peace reigns.
Life goes on…

Reading your post few things comes to mind....

Is either you are not a student of history..or

You don't have much life experiences..or

You are just trolling...

American overthrown Saddam Hussein, control pretty much all aspect of Iraq for yrs but today where is American in Iraq?

American pushed Taliban out of main cities of Afghanistan, invested billions of $$$$, put in place their preferred president, occupied Afghanistan for more than 15yrs and today how far?

Bashar al-Assad with the help of Russia, killed, displaced and pushed the rebels out of main Syrian cities and today how far?

If you think that Russia will win the war and take over Ukraine and peace will reigns then you are on a hard substance.

Lexusgs430:
Justwise, remember our days on spousal visa thread.....

Many banned applicants, strolled back into the UK, before their expiration of their bans.....

Home office, would only delay, but cannot deny...... 😂

They can do both and at the end marriage suffers, how long do you think a couple to live apart while waiting endlessly for HO decision?

Many of these cases end in marriage separation

Regex:
So diplomacy can not implored to mitigate energy cost rise? Abeg make EU get sense oh. Cost of living is costing me the living.

Unfortunately no, Dependency on Russian oil is still a prob, unless a major alternative supplier is found or the war ends..else

Lexusgs430:
With spousal visa, all banned sins are 4given....... 😁😂

How i wish this is true.

Cyberknight:
Mad people. Musk shows up in a Tshirt, jeans and a cap at a so-called Cabinet meeting and no planted journalist asks him why he isn't wearing a suit.

God bless you!!

deept:
How? We can't even guarantee our own security without big brother USA. Aid minister resigns because of cuts to increase spending on defence.

The minister resigned because the cut is from her office but the cut is for a good reason, UK can not be sending aid to the rest of the world while the money is needed for defence back home. Aid to Africa to me is a waste. That resource is hardly going into the intended purpose.

The UK need to stop bending over to America and form a closer bond with EU until that confused human being in the white house lives.
America under Trump is a walking time bomb, he is unstable, irrational, reckless and untrustworthy. Don't expect anything substantial from a convicted criminal.

Regex:
Ontop whose tax? Make una take una time oh.

Sadly if Ukraine is not supported by Europe and Russia wins this war then you will pay even more tax in all sorts of ways. Energy bills alone will go out of control. Russia will not stop there, Poland and many other countries will be next. UK will be forced to take even more people running away from those wars.

Goke7:
It was even more irritating when the vp was reminding Zelensky that he campaigned for the opposition, are they not over the elections they won? Honestly I think Zelensky was even more tolerant, there’s no human in the middle of a war that won’t be pissed

He was as the attack was coming from the two morons and the press, Trump and his bootlicker planned it before meeting got started. Vance wanted to show dad Trump that he loves and care for his ego hence the provocation

kingthreat:
He's being wearing that bullshit everywhere since the war started. Since you are for the war to end, then doesn't it make sense he stops wearing it and so people take him as a president no more the comedian?

If he stops wearing it and starts wearing suits the war will end? Misplaced priorities is the problem here.

Look at Trump and his vp on suits and still act and look stupid

pansophist:
Respect Zelensky that is against peace? That signed a decree never to negotiate with Putin, a stronger neighbour?

Zelensky Is against peace? And Putin has been engaging in peace mission in Ukraine?

pansophist:
A lapdog for wanting peace?

...no for begging for thank you for his dad Trump

Great0ne1:
Una dey craze for this country ooh.
So you actually want Trump to send us soldiers to fight Russia in Ukraine? Are you aware that such action will gives Russia every justificatfion to strike us cities ? Do you want to start a world war ? What kind of humans beings do we even have here ?

Where did you get that from? Are you struggling to read or you need help understanding what you read? Tell me where i mentioned about American Soldiers going to Ukraine to fight in the post you quoted

Lexusgs430:
Do you know who that person was.. a trump ass licker..... Brian Glenn.... 😁

Yes Marjorie Taylor Greene's boyfriend/husband

Lexusgs430:
Collectively Europe offered Ukraine more military support, than America....

They need to do even more now to support Ukraine

Goke7:
I just wonder what the vp was sitting down there for, Zelensky asked him he had visited Ukraine he started blabbing. These kids in the oval office na wa for them

He was attacked even by the press there, one person asked him why is not wearing a suit, JD Vance is not a man of character, he needs to keep licking Trump's boot just to keep his job

Zahra29:
💯 He's small but mighty.

Vance was particularly irritating, yapping on and on about "you're not grateful" 🙄

It was such an embarrassing spectacle in front of the world media. Sigh.....Well, let's hope things can only get better

Honestly my heart goes out to Ukraine, i really hope that EU will increase their support

Ekaka14:
Exactly, imagine traveling all the way to Saudi Arabia to engage Russia on Ukraine without any representation from Ukraine ....5jen Orange 🍊 head Trump started asking for Elections in Ukraine 🇺🇦 😳
These crop of American cowboys in the WH no nothing about diplomacy...they openly have been all over the news trying hard to discredit Zalensky and calling him ",ungrateful" 😒 to his face...and annoyingly none of these people have seen action in any war all their lives until now.....shocking the Way Trump is heading and herding his mob team 🙄

They were acting like kids begging for 'thank you'...tell my dad Trump thank you , JD Vance is such an excuse for a human being

OriOko88:
How's that a bully. By telling zelensky to stop the war he can't win. If not for US and Europe u think Ukraine and zelensky will still be alive. Dey play. He'd better sign the deal or else he's doomed cos US won't give him any handouts

No, by representing Putin in the meeting

Ilekokonit:
IF Trump is allowed to carry on his freak show then we might as well give him the keys to the treasuries and minerals in ALL countries of the world.

He desperately want Ukrainian mineral without giving them security guarantee, We all know that Trump is a convicted criminal, so his lack of decency does not surprise me at all

Sheuns:
Zelenskyy put himself in that position when he went around begging for arms and ammunition to defend his country.

Remember the saying, he who pays the piper dictates the tune.

The US wants to stop the killings by negotiating a peace deal. Zelenskyy should at least calm down and put forward a counter deal first instead of out rightly saying NO.

Please stop this...Zelensky did not insult Trump or his VP, they were constantly trying to humiliate him in front of the whole world.

America is not helping Ukraine for free

Zahra29:
Yes Canadians are almost as stubborn and bullish as Americans.

Zelensky is also being brave in standing up to Trump. Did you see the exchange shouting match between Trump and Vance at Zelensky today? I felt so sorry for Z but proud of how he handled himself.

Can't imagine how Starmer would have reacted, he's only used to shouting back at Kemi. He would have probably dragged Charlie along with him to the Oval office to beg Trump lol

The new German chancellor is another one who doesn't seem eager to bend the knee to Trump.

My God!!! I respect Zelensky more than i ever done before, he is a real man, a man with a bigger balls than Trump and his little bootlicker VP joined together.

Those two bullies were out to humiliate him,

Sheuns:
Watch the entire video. They told him Ukraine sustained this far in the war because of the USA, should the USA withdraw its support today, Russia will overrun Ukraine in two weeks. Zelenskyy accepted that fact, he even said 3 days.

Trump is trying to stop the war and prevent WW3. Zelenskyy wants the war to continue even after admitting they’re losing to Russia.

This is not true, you are just repeating Trump talking point. I watched and still watching the coverage on Sky news.

Trump and his VP were just talking like playground bullies, they addressing a president like a child.

This is embarrassing to watch

kingthreat:
This Zelensky sef, can't he dress well?

That will end the war?

Ewedegubbler:
lol. No need trading banters with lunatics

You are far too ignorant for me.

Ewedegubbler:
Are you Gona pay back the $200b that USA has given to them?

No cash was given to Ukraine.

GloriousGbola:
this is likely the first time that this kind of nonsense has played out in the white house

more importantly, zelenesky has stood up to a real thug - not this cosplaying wwe bone spurs clown and he eyeliner cuck vp

He has and i love him for that, to hell with Trump and his little lapdog Vance

OgaTheTop2:
It's not about bully, it's about common sense! Zelensky is becoming a leech on American taxpayers money. Zelensky is making money from the war, he doesn't want the war to end. Wonder why Trump called Biden 'stupid' in that meeting? Trump is right on this one bro....No more free money for Zelensky... Enough is enough!

Trump is a bloody fool desperately looking for ways to milk Ukraine without security guarantees. Zelensky is looking out for Ukraine national interest and i respect him for that, America is using Ukraine to recycle military equipment that will cost them billions to recycle in America.

Trump and his vice are two foolish buffoons

Zelensky has done today what no head of state has done in white house...refused to be bulled by those two buffoons.

JD vance and Trump are two shameless bullies

Goke7:
Jd Vance was too disrespectful there even Trump was still diplomatic until Vance added fire

My respect for Zelensky has gone on top of the roof, he is a real man. JD Vance is a lapdog