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theTranslator:
Lol
I'm Egba
A full Yoruba
Everything you said --Balderdash!

Oga commot for road jor...
You go just dey scream ' balderdash!', 'rubbish!', for another person account, say your own na - for where! Abeg shift jor...

Omihanifa:
Don't mind them, who are they trying to deceive with their damage control

If truly they aren't aware of the development or partnership why can't they demand an apology from bishop Sam zuga or vanguard newspapers that published the story

Very soon now Benue state will come out and deny that they have nothing to do with zuga coin

What do you want from IVM,huh?
You want IVM to start making unnecessary case with Bishop Zuga so that you'd be appeased?
Abeg free IVM.

southniyikaye:
Like sowore like igboho

They will spew gibberish and hide in the room of a woman and motivate illiterates to go out and protest.
If they can both come out confidently and lead, I will follow suit
Though they are doing it for their selfish interests.
How many people has igboho and sowore empowered?
Charity begins from grassroot mothafuckers

That is how it will seem initially but with time, the conscience of people will begin to rise and more results will be achieved.
The positive thing for them is that they have initiated it already and people are talking about it.
Don't worry if you're inclined to it now or not. When it's the right time,if it is for you to support, you definitely will.

luluman:
Certainly not self determination but to bring our peaceful coexistence to an end from what may result from such struggle.

Gush! The logic behind your argument is childish and nauseating. What peaceful coexistence are you talking about in present day Nigeria?
Or do you actually mean burying your head in the sand while your region is being ravaged and overrun by fanatic savages,or perhaps, you have other hidden agenda?
What is wrong with a full homogeneous Oduduwa nation with all her amazing human and capital resources, achieved on reasonable processes? Is Nigeria the kind of country you'd want to bequeath to your children?
Come on man,think! Think!

LukasPodolski:
you are not in the right position to tell me about the interest of the Yorubas, you're not Yoruba, you're an ipob member, an idle fellow who stays glued to radio Biafra 24/7.

you don't know the interest (s) of the Yorubas, do you?


we don't want Oduduwa republic, Sunday igboho who organised the recent protest is inconsequential, we don't know him.

SW is just a geopolitical zone, Yorubaland does not end in SW, those of us in Kogi west and Kwara South/central have the same right as those in SW.

one Nigeria.

You're just one big bunch of ignorance parading everywhere. Who doesn't know Macof's tribe on this forum? Your comments all over the thread actually justify why people think 'Yoruba Muslims' are the major problems Yorubas have.
Your true loyalty is obviously divided.

Seerade029:
Actually, Emir is Islamic title or so.

You must be a very dishonest fellow real life.
Suddenly, you don't know what Emir means again, and can't even google it, just to discredit the person you quoted who obviously is correct.
Your type would be an expert in bearing false witness.

donnie:
Don't pretend to challenge what I'm saying simply because you want to learn. Be humble. There's already enough info out there, even here on NL to convince any sincere seeker.

Ask humbly. That's all.

Gbam! These guys them,eh..
Initially they will be everywhere huffing and puffing with their handed-down half-truths,but when you start dealing them with facts upon facts,you see them resorting to insults or ignorant questions laced with pride.
See how he's commanding you to answer his questions as if he's paying you to tutor him.
Unbelievable!

lucasalves:
Now read that again,and try to tell me where exactly do you make any sense at all.

1) You quoted the Bible
2) You called the Bible witchcraft
3) Then you post random images off the internet.

Sometimes arguing topics on the internet can be educational but anyone trying to have an honest conversation with you will only experience a drop in IQ.... So from me to you, have yourself checked because honestly you don't appear to be all there. Arguing with you is like fetching water with a basket which is kinda ironic because your brain can only retain information as much as a basket can retain water. So have fun trolling, cos I know that's what you are doing, some of us have a life to get to.

You have a big problem. This guy Donnie has constantly fed you with facts and evidence and all you resort to is mere insults and meaningless rubbish. You're worse than an illiterate - you know not and you don't want to admit that you know nothing.

donnie:
So you thought you were the only Israelites on the continent?

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Igbos used the knowledge of their Israelite herritage to show superiority and oppress other Israelites in Nigeria. Then they turn around and foolishly seek the approval of fake white jews instead of loving and living in harmony with their own true brothers..

How did the Igbos oppress other people in Nigeria? Kindly answer this because a lot of people are keenly following this thread.

OhBiafra:
That begging smells of desperation, it means you have nothing to offer and is only trying to benefit from them, something which has always turned away the Niger Deltans from the Biafran struggle. Your begging seems to prove them right. By the way, why must the Niger delta be part of Biafra?

Whatever you mean by begging... Even at that,it doesn't matter, because they're his brothers.
You've allowed yourselves to be so divided by outsiders that you see any act of rallying them together as ' begging and desperate'.
These are people who have been living peacefully together for many years as brothers o,people who share almost the same tradition and culture, people who share close or same ancestry.
And you are here saying 'Niger Delta'.

lucasalves:
In their haste to read conspiracy theories they won't do the necessary information searching, today it's they are descended from Jews, tomorrow it will be they are descended from the Chinese. Every single tribe in Africa is older than the tribe they are claiming to be descended from. This is a direct product of those before us not keeping accurate accounts of things in their time.

You are not speaking like someone wise.
You've been littering the thread with emotional drivels with little or no sense.
Are you saying that Africa is entirely homogenous? No admixture from any other people from other places apart from Africa?
Think Mister. Think!

DappaD:
Mr/Mrs Karanka, please if we're going to further this discussion about the Bible, then we would want to do that taking into consideration, the accurate chronology.

First of all, Satan the Devil isn't the name of the chief rebellious angel, rather those are just titles meaning Resister and Slanderer. He is unnamed in the Scriptures because he has no relevance/bearing on God's purposes.

Second, it was only after he lied to Eve, cause them to sin which brought death upon she and Adam—did he begin to become Satan the Devil. It wasn't before.
Jesus said at John 8:44:
“You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth , because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie.”
Carefully reading the above, we find out that prior to when this angel rebelled against his Father and God, he was faithful but “he did not stand fast in the truth” because he allowed a wrong desire for rulership to grow in his heart(James 1:14,15)
So because he had freewill, he chose to misuse it and slandered the name of God.(Genesis 3:4-5)



And third, Satan wasn't hurled down to the earth before Adam was created. Those are just fanciful tales told by people who lack knowledge of the Scriptures. Such that have no bearing on the Scriptures.
The Bible says that Satan and his angels “did not keep their original position but forsook their own proper dwelling place”.—Jude 6a
Meaning they left their dutypost in heaven to come to the earth, which is a huge offense on it's own but “he[God] has reserved with eternal bonds in dense darkness for the judgment of the great day.”—Jude 6b.
Meaning that God has marked them for judgment and destruction already because of the rebellion.
The ousting of Satan to the earth permanently was in 1914, thousands of years after Adam had died. If you want to know more about that year 1914 please call on any of Jehovah's Witnesses in the area where you live as they will explain to you in great detail.

I don't want to dwell on whether satan was cast down to earth before or after satan deceived man( though biblical evidence points to the former), the fact according to the Bible remains that satan was cast down to the earth. Simple.
And my question stands: why earth? why not Jupiter or Venus or any other unknown place that doesn't have man in it?

AkinwaleJJ:
Job is just another human like you and i, people don't give birth to children and stay with them forever. For now we must return to non-existence the same way we come (one by one).
Job had the faith that God will raise him up from the dead [Job 14:13-15] and of course all his twenty children will rise up with him during the resurrection of the dead. John 5:28-29
So Job realized that everything God returned to him was complete double fold, the material things will not be his again after resurrection but all his beloved children will come back to life! Reve 20:13

This is exactly what doesn't seem right in the whole Job story.
mind you,Job was on his own minding his business o until God called out to satan to remind him of Job,and even went ahead to grant him permission to do all sorts of evil against Job apart from taking his life. Now after Job lost practically every thing,you're telling me that the whole thing sounds right just because of the so-called replacement he got?

DappaD:
I don't think I get you completely.

Let's say you are terminally ill and someone tells you that there will come a time when you'll no longer get sick—a perfect health wouldn't compensate for all that has been lost?

May I ask you provide a better alternative, please, I'm all ears.

There's no better alternative I can think of for the person. But how about not losing anything at all or not even becoming sick?
Do you think that losing 5 children and later given birth to 20 children is enough of replacement or consolation for the ones lost?

Karanka:
Nice attempt but it still doesn't cut it.
A lot of things don't just make sense without applying the tool of faith.
Now, why would God put the tree that he warned Adam and Eve not to eat from in the same garden he put Adam and Eve in?
Not just that,he didn't protect the tree from been eaten by Adam and Eve. It sounds almost childish considering the whole scenario but maybe a fortified wall or something else around the tree would have prevented Eve from gaining access to the tree,or probably stationing and angel there just like he did after he drove Adam and Eve from the garden.
That's not all. Of all places,all planets to cast satan to,it was earth. The same place that Adam that he loved so much was put.
You see,no earthly father would even do such. just imagine you as a father to a young girl of about 5 years allowing a know child molester to live in the same house with your little girl and even have unrestricted access to her. come on man! Who would ever do that?
But that is what the Bible literally wants us to believe. Except if there's another 'higher plan or reason' we still don't know of yet.

Let me just add that losing everything like children, relations; suffering from diseases and other vices and disasters and gaining times twenty of that or millions of that when the kingdom of Jehovah comes or in heaven is not just enough - it doesn't adequately compensate for that. Can anything adequately replace the loss of something so precious? Is there really a better alternative?
That is why the story of Job in the Bible is yet another thing that doesn't make sense in all these.

DappaD:
I don't really know what's been triggering the b/ans by the N/L b/ots recently. I think it's the use of too many n/umbers in one post.

Well, the whole Genesis chapter Three account raised several issues about who Jehovah the Creator of the heavens and earth really was.

After Satan deceived Eve into disobeying her God, He(Satan) claimed that God was hiding something precious from Adam and Eve—further painting Him to be a bad ruler.
Know that before now, God had created millions of angels in heaven(Job Thirty-Eight verse Seven) and they were all observing the scenario on how the whole matter would turn out.
If God had immediately destroyed the rebels—Satan, Adam and Eve—then it would make Satan's claim of God being a bad ruler to be true.

Other issues were raised too—as to whether humans could successfully rule themselves without God's intervention. Jehovah God knew that he didn't create humans with the ability to rule themselves(Jeremiah Ten verse Twenty-Three) but he has allowed Satan and humans to set up their governments anyway to show to observers that Satan was wrong.

Where the descendants of Adam and Eve come into the scenario is when they are to choose between

One. Serving JEHOVAH GOD — the One who created human beings and therefore, knows what's best for us.

Two. Accepting Satan's ploy for humans to rule themselves in forms of governments under Satan's authority.


Those who choose number one are to love Jehovah their God, keep all His statutes and commandments in order that they may have everlasting life. (Deuteronomy Thirty verse Sixteen, Nineteen and Twenty; Psalm Thirty-Seven verse Twenty-Nine; Zephaniah Two verse Two&Three; John Three verse Sixteen)
That includes wholeheartedly supporting God's Kingdom that will put an end to all of human governments in the future. (Daniel Two verse Forty-Four)
The only group of persons today doing these are Jehovah's Witnesses. (Isaiah Forty-Three verse Ten to Twelve)


The Bible tells us that Satan is the ruler of this world. (John Twelve verse Thirty-One, First John Five verse Nineteen)
Those who decide to follow Satan's form of rulership are the ones who rely on their own so-called wisdom, accept worldly ideas and thinking, set standards for themselves to follow(just like Adam and Eve chose to do) and all those who are supporting the human governments of this present system of things.


The Bible which is God's inspired word also gives us hope that all the havoc today—death, pain, injustice, crime, sickness—that were caused under Satan's authority WILL all be reversed through God's Kingdom. (Revelation Twenty-One verse One to Four)

Nice attempt but it still doesn't cut it.
A lot of things don't just make sense without applying the tool of faith.
Now, why would God put the tree that he warned Adam and Eve not to eat from in the same garden he put Adam and Eve in?
Not just that,he didn't protect the tree from been eaten by Adam and Eve. It sounds almost childish considering the whole scenario but maybe a fortified wall or something else around the tree would have prevented Eve from gaining access to the tree,or probably stationing and angel there just like he did after he drove Adam and Eve from the garden.
That's not all. Of all places,all planets to cast satan to,it was earth. The same place that Adam that he loved so much was put.
You see,no earthly father would even do such. just imagine you as a father to a young girl of about 5 years allowing a know child molester to live in the same house with your little girl and even have unrestricted access to her. come on man! Who would ever do that?
But that is what the Bible literally wants us to believe. Except if there's another 'higher plan or reason' we still don't know of yet.

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Maximus69:
@Sermwell

I believe you can now see that there is a logical reason why the Almighty never chose to be a bully but wisely decided to allow time tell whether the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is a nourishment or a poison for the human race!
You're free to approach any JW in your neighbourhood if you still have further questions as to the soundness of Bible teachings.

Thanks for sharing your time Sir!

Sir, I read through your response and I honestly couldn't find any logical reason why satan is still free and roaming about causing havoc on earth.
It was something that had to do with God,Adam,Eve and satan, why involve the rest of humans? Why not use the live of Adam and Eve and prove that man cannot rule himself? Why involve generations upon generations of people to suffer for what didn't directly involve them?

nencounter10:
The glories of heaven are great. Why stay in this corrupt world when you can enter into glory.

I already gave an example of Paul who chose to die because to him death is gain.


Heaven is not our final destination. Heaven is just a waiting room for people who die in Christ. People in heaven do not have bodies. They will receive a new body at rapture.

The final destination is the new earth where we will live forever in glorified human bodies.

In other words,all of them who had this revelation chose to die rather than staying alive to serve as proof to the future generation that it was indeed possible. Alright.

OP,could you explain why non of the many disciples and apostles of Jesus and any other known early Christian is still alive till today? Did they all choose to die or never knew this your 'revelation'?

IDENNAA:
This is all you got ?

If you're Omanbala,then this your attempt at apology is not good enough.

Omanambala:
First of , let me introduce my person and tell you who you maybe speaking to. I am from Umuoji in IDENMILI NORTH! My home town belong to the Okodu clan comprising Abatete-Ezeodu , Umuoji-Igwulube Ododu and Nkpor-Idike and we migrated from Nri towns including Agukwu , Ogbunike , Umudioka. The Idenmili's including Nnokwa , Ojoto , Okodus' ,Obosi all have Nri migrations and strong elements. The Onicha , Oyi's , Nnewi's and even Ekwusigo has Nri migrations and elements. That much is proven through cultural practices. The Anioma is littered by Nri and related groups like I mentioned earlier and even the Agbor has Ufie wooden gong , and I dont expect your cultureless mind to know what that is used for.

Arochukwu has no culture of note , they are slave trade hustlers..danm you! Awka and the whole Anambra was influenced by Nri and anthropologists wrote extensively about this and even Nsukka acknowledged Nri influenced through age long chants you cultureless bbastard! How dare you !

Items and practices like Ikenga , eke , oye , afor and nkwo were introduced by Nri/Awka groups you cultureless bbastard! Your women dance like strippers in front of your elders without nobility , you danm cultureless bbastard ! We gave you something to brag about , you cultureless nonentity ! Nze na Ozo , Nso ani , Ijele , otu odu , agbalanze , ichi igba ndi eze etc are all Nr/Awka and related cultures, you culturless nonentity!


Nso ani , ife eke ,ifejioku are Nri and related groups practices..are you sick or what. I am from Idenmili in Umuoji and Nwankwo Onyeogu of the blessed memory is is the chief priest of Eke Idenmili in Umuoji while the Idenmili shrine is located at Nnobi...danm you cultureless sslut !


Yes , Anambra has a homogeneous culture unlike your Imo state with a billion autonomous community...ffuck off you pig! Anambra is Nri and Nri is Anambra. Abeg , go down south and play with your mates. You can never divide Anambra, I will be here till eternity giving your southern Igbos sleepless nights

Your mouth is filled with so much vile that makes one want to puke in utter disgust. You should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself for what you wrote up there and immediately apologize for it unreservedly.

gregyboy:
Ise mean amen...... In benin

Like oba kha to kpere ise......

Only the igbos with edo identitys mostly use the word ise to refer to amen amongst igbos

Thanks plenty for this.
You see,I've been noticing some similarities in Benin language and Igbo,as well as Benin culture and Igbo.
I just wish to know more.
I believe the real truth of the history of many ethnic groups in Nigeria has been deliberately hidden, and false narratives propagated,even when they don't corroborate with evidences on ground.
Do you know of a place called Okokugbo in Ewvotubu,Benin?

@gregyboy and AreaFada2, do you mind enlightening us on this 'ise' thing you guys say. Igbos say something similar too.

OfoIgbo:
Nri people have never been under Abam or any of the Aro towns. Even up till today, Eze Aro will always defer to Eze Nri on cultural matters.
Forget about these people that write nonsense. Some days ago I was even reading an Awka writer that insinuated that Nri people were under Awka, all because of the modern trend of making ones people appear almighty.

Till tomorrow, Eze Aro will never challenge Eze Nri on cultural matters.

Aro is relatively recent, compared to Nri. There are more than 200 towns and villages in Igbo land today, of Nri ancestry. All these happened hundreds of years ago, way before Aro came to the scene.

Eze Aro cannot really be said to be greater than Benin Oba, or the Ooni of Ife, but Eze Nri title is about the only title that can be said to be greater than the Benin Oba or the Ooni of Ife. Portuguese records back this up

Hello bro, here's a link where Nri kingdom was stated as one of the earliest in West Africa. It was mentioned alongside other civilizations like Egypt, Harrapa of southern Asia,Erlitou of central China,and was put at around 900 CE. I am really grateful to all the people that contributed one way or the other to this thread. From collective efforts, the truth about the Igbos is beginning to surface. kindly go through the link and tell me your thoughts.
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/whp-origins/era-3-cities-societies-and-empires-6000-bce-to-700-c-e/34-what-is-a-state-betaa/a/read-first-states-beta?modal=1

TAO11:
Are you dumb or something??

Did you not read that your Igbo ancestors USED TO BE in Ife before they were kicked out to the Igbo land they now occupy in Eastern Nigeria??

So, how is that rocket science for you to know that the Igbos of today’s eastern Nigeria descended from the Yoruba people of Ife — according to Oba Adeyeye??

cc: LegendHero

What sort of logic is this? Haba!
I just hope you're joking.

TAO11:
Yes, the scholars knew the bold, yet historical scholarship identifies the Ogane as the Ooni of Ife. And interestingly, not a single historian or scholar identified the Ogane as an Igbo king (only on Nairaland).

All scholars noted that the “east” in the document is of a religious non-literal significance. And Ife is well attested (among cultures throughout the Gulf of Guinea) by the religious epithet of “east” — the place from where the sun rises.

Moreover, every received detail of that account matches none other than the Ooni of Ife.

Name me one scholar (not Nairalander) who identified the Ogane as an Igbo king. None!

So what does 'Ogane' mean in Yoruba?

Etinosa1234:
Jus look at ur last statement...

Aren't u also doing what u don't want other tribes to do?

There is no proof of the 90% of ur claims...

U are the revisionist

I can see that you want to learn more,but you're allowing ego and unnecessary superiority tussle to becloud you.
OfoIgbo never said anything that could diminish the glory of your tribe,yet you charged in with blazing guns.
Some few years ago on this forum, Benin folks never did agree that there was Igbo influence on Benin. But here you are now admitting that there was,howbeit spiritual.
My advice is for you to first of all listen to all sides of the narratives before vehemently disagreeing.