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KingRex1:
Like i said it is just not right. Some developed countries do it doesnt make it right. How would u feel if ur 'sista' who does it in hiding is now free to call it her legal profession

Nobody said prostitution is right, rather the moral pondering is left to the individuals. The legalization will be on the basis of health and safety, reduce crime rates surrounding prostitution. The government through taxation and regulation, controls prostitution. Which is better than leaving a wild unregulated highly patronized crime.

EreluY:
Are you for real?...You're jumping from one end of the argument to the other. Going by your last posting, you've come full round back to my point by stating that students would be "starting from scratch". If so, except this guy has a bachelor's degree in music, he cannot enrol on a masters degree programme without subject knowledge at the undergraduate level (certificate, diploma and BA). You now see the point I'm making. If you're intelligent enough, look up the college's link I've already provided and work it out yourself: the institution doesn't offer a master's degree in music. So, whatever the name of this artiste is, he hasn't received a masters degree in music. For your information, music is a difficult academic subject. Not everyone has the capacity to successfully pursue it. The fact that someone can play guitar, string lyrics and melodies together is no proof they can pursue academic study of music. Any musicologists in the house?

But Timi didn't take a masters degree from the school.

MrAnony1:
No sir, complex systems are not necessarily functional.

A goat for instance is a complex system with specific interconnected parts such as legs, ears, eyes, a brain e.t.c. each of these parts are distinct and specifically work together in such a way that they are functional.

e.g. the goat's eye's function is sight, and it is specifically located and connected in such a way that it performs this function quite well. i.e. it is not located inside the intestine for instance where it wouldn't be able to function properly.
Similarly, the goat's legs are for specifically connected and located so that they can perform the function of movement. The same can be said for all the other parts of the goat.

A goat is not merely a complex system, it is a complex FUNCTIONAL system.

Now please can you tell me...

1. How exactly are Mountain ranges and Rift valleys complex, functional and a system?
2. How exactly are a rivers and their tributaries complex, functional and a system?
3. How exactly is forestation complex, functional and a system?
4. How exactly is Continental drift complex, functional and a system?
5. How exactly are Cloud formations, movement and dissipations. complex, functional and a system?

For me, the purpose of interacting subcomponents is functionality (pragmatic value). It is hardly conceivable to find a system that is nonfunctional because all the parts unite to form an integrated whole. To me that is functionality. In the absence of functionality, the system breaks down.

MrAnony1:
"Natural" doesn't work as well as "accident" when trying to contrast against "intelligent design". especially when the question is whether Natural processes suggest intelligence. To use the word "natural" as in Whether goats originate naturally as opposed to by intelligent design begs the question as it assumes one of the positions that it is required to prove.

Thanks for your suggestion anyway, but I'll stick with the original phrasing.

Your inquiry seeks for an alternative to intelligent agency. For goats, is there an alternative to why they are here? In the absence of an intelligent agency, there is the default position. For the theists we debated on this thread, the default is nothingness to which I disagree.

MrAnony1:
I see,

1. How exactly are Mountain ranges and Rift valleys complex, functional and a system?
2. How exactly are a rivers and their tributaries complex, functional and a system?
3. How exactly is forestation complex, functional and a system?
4. How exactly is Continental drift complex, functional and a system?
5. How exactly are Cloud formations, movement and dissipations. complex, functional and a system?

Wikipedia.

A system is a set of interacting or interdependent component parts forming a complex/intricate whole.

Dictionary.com

an assemblage or combination of things or parts forming a complex or unitary whole

Complex means composed of interconnected parts. So system covers both complex and functional. Now mountains and the watery cycle can be identified not just as a whole but divided into parts which work together. A river feeds the ocean which in turn feeds the river and its source via evaporation. A mountain similarly is naturally forged from multiple bits, it stands on a foundation etc

I will attempt to assist Plaetton with his thoughts.

His use of the word "random chaos" is contrasted with intelligent agency. Intelligent agency has a central organizing factor whilst random chaos has numerous factors determining causality. Random chaos doesn't mean a total disobedience to physical laws or causality as most theists think it is.

So Plaetton uses that word for this special meaning.

MrAnony1:
Erhm...what word would you rather have me use in place of "accident"?

Maybe "natural"

EreluY:
@ Kay17: 9:24am On Mar 19
Would you mind mentioning just a few of the requirements needed for a proper understanding of music theory?

[b]If you were to take a music theory course, let's say MUS201, where MUS101 is a prerequisite, you would be expected to have full grasps (knowledge and understanding) of topics like: harmonic vocabulary & modulation; diatonic triads and seventh chords in major and harmonic minor; 2-part, 3-part and 4-part harmony (figured bass); harmonic progression; chord progression; fugal writing; rhythmic anticipation and articulations; melodic and harmonic tensions and resolutions, etc., etc. There is no way you can study on a music course or programme which builds on a student's knowledge and understanding of these theoretical stuff without good prior knowledge of what they are. Pop musicians with no music qualifications (just like children who speak mother tongues without theoretical knowledge of the rules of the grammar) do compose and perform music featuring these theoretical principles. Albeit, like the childhood and language analogy used, pop musicians with no academic music training have no understanding of theoretical principles underpinning their compositions and performance.[/b]

Berklee offers from the scratch trainings on music theory which gives a music novice an opportunity. Therefore prerequisites are not really necessary. Of during the study the student has to naturally progress from one prerequisite to another but not before the programme.

tianshie:
Okay. Two quick things. I live in America & I'm in academia. Online degrees are about as useful as horse piss. Nothing beats the actual experience of a face to face encounter with a professor in a classroom, and the useful interaction with your classmates. Take into account pop quizzes. Actual class participation for credit. Opportunities for extra credit. Consultation with a professor during office hours. I could go on. An online degree is basically a fraud.

As for calling me a ****(whatever you wrote up there), I have proven that you're ignorant, one of those vacuum-heads who fall on their dusty corner-cafe computers, put down their meth pipes, and go on a rant.

Hence I was not wrong to say you judged his programme with the title only.

The advantages you mention in favor of classroom education have regularly been criticised. Classes largely depend on the professor or lecturer. Some are brilliant and communicate perfectly while most teach as dry as dust and in the most sickening fashion. Nonetheless most classes now prefer a Socratic method where the student does all the work. Similarly good online degree courses tend towards the Socratic method, besides e-mails bridge the distance between the instructor and the student.

Try to acknowledge the advantages of an online degree.

asalimpo:
Apart from mathematics, a theory in science is still a conjecture.
And eminent scientists are divided on the stance of creation.
Even under the scientific method, evolution continually falls short.

Explain this scientific method you talk about so i don't mix it up with what i don't think you mean.

Sunnynwa:
He doesn't have confidence in Justice Abang.

If criminals had their way, they wouldn't have confidence in any judge presiding over their case

vivalavida:
Did u even read the write up @ all?
Or you rushed to comment just because u love ur comment appearing first?
You said that there is a difference in tinubu's case because it was cooked up by PDP. Whether sarakis case is real or cooked up,dont you think he has to be invited first to clear things up befort the CCT starts trying him?
Of What relevance does Tinubu and that late old monkey look-alike Adesanya Nadeco days contribute to this discourse?

Rubbish


If Saraki is guilty,he should be jailed but due process must be followed and he must be afforded fair hearing.

I don't think there is a difference if he denies or affirms the allegations prior to the trial. Because neither precludes him from being prosecuted upon available evidence.

EreluY:
Really? No prerequisite to study music? Thanks for displaying your ignorance. Your statement smacks of argumentatum ignoramus. Music is one subject that you can't skip or jump hoops or loops. Did you ever go university - one with a music department? People take courses from other departments e.g. Biology students taking courses in biochemistry or mass comm students taking courses in english or drama. You won't find anyone (and I mean anyone) taking courses from music because it is a technical subject. Yes you don't need to study music to be pop musician, you need excellent knowledge and understanding of music theory and practical to be a classical music artiste. You can never be admitted to music programmes in a reputable college or university without meeting the entry requirements.

Would you mind mentioning just a few of the requirements needed for a proper understanding of music theory?

aaronson:
Then you speaking for YOU, not Nigerians. Timi is your preference but I am emphasizing on the perception of the general Nigerian youth who has enriched artists such as wizkid, davido, iyanya, terryg and likes.

When they say women have fish brain and barely thinks I thought it was mere stereotype on the female folks but you actually...... ..... ......

The aesthetic standards with which you judge Nigerian and even West African music are misplaced. West African music is based on crazy variations of beats, that's why musicians such as Terry G and co sing for effect rather than meaning. The voice is merely harmonize with the vibrant beat therefore you have a richer sound albeit intellectual depraved lyrics.

Drums for this reason are so prominent in our music.

tianshie:
Berklee Online Extension Degree? With all due respect, this is a bullsh*t degree. Timi has an amazing voice, and did not need to do this to shore up his self-worth. We only need him to make a great album. And I believe he can.

I believe the manner in which you judged the degree was entirely based on the title "online". You didn't pay any regards to content of the program and its quality. The usual stereotypical hasty judgmental type.

EreluY:
NIGERIANS ARE DAFT. THIS POST EXEMPLIFIES IT AS FOLLOWS.

1. RIGHT THINKING, INTELLIGENT UNIVERSITY GRADUATES WOULD NEVER POST THEIR ACADEMIC DEGREES ONLINE - NOT ON NL.
2. BERKLEE COLLEGE OF MUSIC DOES NOT OFFER ONLINE POSTGRADUATE QUALIFICATIONS - DEFINITELY NOT IN SONGWRITING.
(EVIDENCE: https://online.berklee.edu/songwriting)
3. MASTER CLASSES/LESSONS OFFERED IN ARTS SUBJECT, MUSIC, PAINTING, DRAMA, ETC., ARE NOT MASTERS DEGREES.
4. MASTERS QUALIFICATIONS ARE AWARDED AS MASTER OF ARTS, MASTER OF SCIENCE, ETC, ETC. THE QUALIFICATION OBTAINED BY THIS GUY REQUIRES NO ENTRY REQUIREMENTS. REALLY? YES. HOW DO I KNOW? THIS IS THE PROGRAMME WEBSITE (https://online.berklee.edu/certificates/songwriting-master) ON THAT SITE, THIS IS WHAT THE COLLEGE SAYS TO AN ENQUIRER ON Nov 6, 2015 3:25pm "Hi Laura, thanks for your question! Our certificate programs and individual courses are open enrollment, so there is no admissions process." CHECK FOR YOURSELF. TO ENROL ON A MASTERS DEGREE YOU NEED A GOOD BACHELORS DEGREE.
5. ACROSS THE USA, YOU NEED 30-64 CREDIT HOURS TO EARN MA/MSc/MBA, MTh, MEd, ETC. THIS MASTER CERTIFICATE IS AWARDED FOR LESS THAN THE NATIONALLY AFFIRMED REQUIRED UNITS.
6. THIS GUY IS TRULY A DELUDED IMPOSTER.
7. HIS DELUSION HAS COST HIM $13,041.00 - THE COST OF THE PROGRAMME (https://online.berklee.edu/certificates/songwriting-master)
8. IF AFTER READING THIS YOU STILL FALL FOR IS SCAM, YOU ARE A FOOL.

It's music! I don't think there is much requirements to be asked about to study music. The school is prestigious with incredible talents as alumni and Timi joins that rank. Besides education is changing around the world.

emmalezy:
Popular Nigerian Singer, Timi Dakolo, has bagged a Masters in Songwriting from Berklee College of Music, USA.
https://www.tori.ng/userfiles/image/2016/mar/18/timi-dakolo-bags-degree-3.jpg
Timi Dakolo

Nigerian singer, Timi Dakolo, who emerged winner of the inaugural season of Idols West Africa in 2007, at the expense of the amazingly talented Omawumi Megbele, has been awarded a Masters in Songwriting from Berklee College of Music, USA after completing his course.
https://www.tori.ng/userfiles/image/2016/mar/18/timi-dakolo-bags-degree-1.jpg
https://www.tori.ng/userfiles/image/2016/mar/18/timi-dakolo-bags-degree-2.jpg
The Iyawo mi crooner took to Instagram to announce the good news to his fans and followers by posting the above photo and captioned it, "I CAN'T DESCRIBE THE FEELING...WORDS WOULD BE INADEQUATE. .. JUST GRATEFUL TO GOD...AND FAMILY... ALL OF THE THINGS I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED ...MY GRANNIE WOULD REALLY BE PROUD OF THIS ONE!!! ."

source
http://www.reportnaija.com/2016/03/music-star-timi-dakolo-bags-degree-in.html

Christian Scott and Tiwa Savage's school

Joshthefirst:
I mean he is beyond everything and beyond everywhere.

I mean that he is the origin of everything that is, and by everything, i mean everything. space, time, energy, the realms material and immaterial.

I mean he is boundless and limitless and without end and immortal.

From which he created from Nothingness..

Ok.

Joshthefirst:
Never said God was in infinity. I said God himself is infinity and eternity, and everything is contained in him.

Did he swallow that up too?! When you say God is infinity and eternal what do you mean?

PastorAIO: I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention his arguments about existence of God outside of a religious context being useless and hopeless.

He never really went on like our Nairaland atheists trying to disprove the existence of the Christian God as an independent fact. To him the relevance of God existed only in the mind.

UyiIredia:
1) order in the universe 2) design in life 3) consciousness

1. A tree exhibits order as well, yet it will be ridiculous to claim all trees are directly planted by God.

2. Everything on earth is "designed" including a zygote

3. The Universe is conscious?

Deen77:
Many lack knowledge about economy.

Who is responsible for that?

Joshthefirst:
Here's my take bro:

Genesis 1 : 1

In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

First, the bible tells us who was present at the beginning; the beginning being the origin of all things, of creation itself. God was at beginning. God, is not nothing. God has always existed, He is the I AM, so there has never actually been nothing.

Genesis also says God created the heaven, and the earth. I believe the heaven here doesn't signify the firmament, as that is physical, and was recreated on the physical earth.
Heaven in the verse is the spiritual realm itself.

The Immaterial realm has an origin too, God is the origin of all.

God's foreknowledge is his foreknowledge

You have to establish a common authority upon which the Bible can be recognised. In the absence of that, the Bible is just as any other book.

Sadly the shallowness of Christianity shows with the steadfast adherence to a mere book.

Joshthefirst:
before creation, there was no everywhere, and there was no nowhere. there was only God, in his infinity. All of creation is contained within him. He is eternity. He is the container of infinity.

..

Since God was in infinity, at what point did he create the Universe? Because in an infinite flux, no point is actually attained. An example, if it takes infinity from point A to B, then it implies B will never be reached since infinity is inexhaustible.

UyiIredia:
God's qualities allow Him to create out of nothing. From all our observations of natural processes there nil evidence of it making any sort of system comparable to life.

My final question: what makes you believe God is the immediate cause of the Universe?

247notire:
Borrowing is not bad in itself but to what end and what are the repayment terms? Now look at that 2016 budget, how much was allocated to education? To science and technology? To agriculture? Be honest with itself.

Yes oil prices were high in 2006 my mistake I mixed it up but look at it right there, 2003 oil was generally below $25 per barrel and were we sinking the way we are now? Of course not! As I said earlier on, a leader should have integrity and accountability cos those are the the 2 most important attributes a leader should possess. Buhari doesn't possess either does he?

To invest significantly in education, science and technology will involve greater debts. Would you praise him for more debts in times of hardship?

Buhari has set his sights on corruption. And the revelations in recent times are not surprising but shocking. No wonder the government can not function effectively. If you don't want to feel the pains from an economic meltdown, then query the past leaders for the lack of sustainable reserves.

Reserves we ought to use in these pressing times.

Joshthefirst:
I don't believe there is such a thing as Nothing.

You might be right but try too grasp the theoretical implications.

247notire:
Stop giving excuses. In 2006 all prices also crashed and the masses did not suffer as much as this hardship! I'm not exonerating our past presidents, cos I can't call them leaders, as they contributed to what we face today but as one who is supposed to be a leader you dont just dish out blames without evident action. Now it is a blessing in disguise? All what he said is all craps cos even the useless budget is a very bogus one which will just raise our debt profile. Look, with a sound economic team and an intelligent LEADER, things wouldn't have gotten so bad. Buhari isn't known for his intelligence and we all know he isn't a Leader; if you know what a leader should be like.

And for the records, no economic advancement can happen without evident and serious advancement in education, science and technology.

1. You expect the government to invest on science/technology and education, right? Despite reduced revenue and zero reserves, but you don't want the same government to borrow?!

2. The oil prices during 2006 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_oil_market_chronology_from_2003 were amongst record high. Hence you didn't feel a pinch.

mandax:
President Buhari, the ideas that will lead to development of Nigeria are already known:
the ideas are return Nigeria to regional government system with fiscal federalism.

But will Buhari ever buy this idea- never.
Buhari sees oil and oil producing areas as conquered commodities that must have plundered.

We had regional governments once and the system imploded!

247notire:
Nigerians! We forget too easily! As at 2014 the country was much better in every sense of the word but see how much suffering we're going through and the foolish president is saying this? Is this the first time oil prices are crashing? It has happened in the past and we weren't suffering this much! The fooool should just admit his incapability and honourably step down. If he doesn't he will be disgraced out again one way or the other. Fooolish minister of petroleum and we have been suffering from fuel scarcity for close to a month now; the 2nd in 3 months. I'm sorry for this dumbo called buhari

Are you serious?! In the 1980s the Nigerian economy had a severe recession because of low oil prices. A loan was taken from IMF because nobody else would loan us money without insane interest rates as security.

When countries go through recessions people suffer badly.

The qualifications of a president are basic -- same qualifications of a leader. Buhari doesn't have to be an economic guru to run the country, his role is to set the goals and visions, and delegate to competent experts.

Buhari has clearly stood his ground against official corruption. Which admirable. Official corruption is largely responsible for Nigeria's underdevelopment. During his campaigns and upon entering office, he has given clear visions on how his government will combat corruption.

Yes Nigeria is facing an economic crisis. The truth be told, there is no easy solution to reduced revenues. The most unpopular and effective solution is tightening up the belt. Slashing the civil service, cutting costs on the police force, education, power, agriculture. And that is very painful. And no Nigerian will support such a drastic solution. If you had this in mind, you wouldn't be insistent on saying Buhari is clueless.

Nigeria's over dependence on oil is not Buhari's fault, it's an inherited problem. The solution which is diversification takes over 25 years to come to fruition. Buhari's term is a drop.

Nigeria's underdevelopment is evidence of continual neglect by prior governments. With the people watching in acquiesce

Paperwhite:
Nigerians see the president hiding his super cluelessness under the harsh economic situation.Own up to your failures Mr.President.

Be more precise. What failures?