₦airaland Forum

Weah96:
Nothing is a very difficult idea to grasp. I think we use it in everyday vernacular without understanding the material implications.

UyiIredia:
Sure.

OgaMadam:
Also the only thing that worries me is that he is the only preacher I know with that type of level of prophecy and power.


Are we all doing something wrong? That no matter how we give up staff we simply can't get where the dude is. Even pastors flock to him as they have bondages that NONE of them can fix.

So if any of that's people never went to him freedom would never have come?

That scares me.

UyiIredia:
Sure. Not only that but natural processes are easily shown incapable of making these lifeforms and self-organize even in principle.

KingEbukaNaija:
God is eternal , all knowing right ? Meaning before he caused something to come forth from nothing he already knew the outcome . So the known outcome could have been used to create the unknown . So that may explain the intelligence behind nature . He caused the resources to exist tho

I hope you understand

UyiIredia:
I don't see any weakness. You do, your materialism remember. Imagination falls under intelligence, the more intelligent one is the more one can use their imagination. I can't and won't dwell on how this world was made by intelligence but I can make the inference that intelligence was fundamental to creating our world given the sort of systems we see. If there's a weakness point it out so it can be dealt with.

UyiIredia:
Just as intellect is required to understand preexisting framework, Intellect is required for their making. You can't preclude the idea of a non-contingent intellect simply because of the way ours work. It's insane.

UyiIredia:
An extrapolation you simply aren't willing to make because you are blinded by materialistic bias.

Nature, in the broadest sense, is the natural, physical, or material world or universe. "Nature" can refer to the phenomena of the physical world, and also to life in general

PastorAIO:
It seems that Nietzsche sees morality as a means to justify one's condition or way of behaviour.

While I agree that people have many different ways of justifying things that they were going to do anyway, or conditions that they are in, I think his categorisations are too simplistic.
I've met many people, and I'm sure you have too, that once they realise that they've been the victims of a joke they immediately go out to look for another naive person to lure into the same joke so that they won't be the only victims.
Too many people when they have been victims only go on to feel justified in victimising other people. It's as if their victimhood is the green light they need to wreak terror on others. (Israeli Zionists might be an example in point).

In fact i've come to the conclusion from my years of experience with humans that it is those individuals that go around feeling sorry for themselves, feeling that life has been too tough for them, that are the most likely to be callous selfish hateful individuals. You can already see the selfishness in the way that they always talk about how other people were victimising them and how unfortunate their lot has been as if they are the only people on this planet that are suffering.
Anybody that can look around this world and conclude that he/she is the one that is the worst victim of life has all that it takes to be a nasty Terrorist.

If one takes a closer look at the 'Slave' societies that Nietzsche is talking about what you will likely find is that it too is stratified. The More oppression the Master race perpetrate on the Slave races, the more oppression the upper echelons of the Slave races will perpetrate on the lower echelons. It follows that being a victim does not lead you to have a Slave morality endorsing weakness like Nietzsche proposed but rather it makes you more likely to embrace oppression yourself.

Nietzsche was trying to have a dig at christianity but I believe that he failed woefully in his thinking here cos he let his distaste for christianity cloud his judgment.

UyiIredia:
You can't expect a good answer form evolution-loving atheists who exist on the intellectual low ground. In any case, I believe nature was intelligently designed and when we see man making many coded digital devices that use codes like life does and make machines with lots of interacting parts we are seeing man make complex functional systems similar to life.

Tallesty1:
Has anything ever come out of their endless reaction? Most of our women are lazy politically, they aren't even current on the affairs of this country.

When men are treading on thorns while planning and scheming on how to run the country, they are busy painting nails, bleaching their skins, imitating the life of their favourite celeb and posting almost unclad pics online to get likes.

When the plans mature and things pan out accordingly they(women) will start talking about equality.

Who reaps where he didn't work?

There are alotta things they could have done to ensure the bill is passed but how many of them even know that such bill exist?You will soon tell me that the reason it is difficult for an Igbo man to become president in Nigeria is because they have been kicked to a corner because they're women.

Joshthefirst:
Right now the God I have in mind is the higher being of cause and the creator of humanity.

Joshthefirst:
No. [size=5pt](I seriously wonder how you came to this conclusion. )[/size].

The summary of what I'm trying to say is that our very existence and consciousness is wired around our origin: God. Lack of belief in the higher being of cause is not possible, as it will declassify us as rational beings and will bring all depth of our very humanity to pointless nothingness and irrelevance.

The very basic processes of your life are given direction because your very consciousness understands the existence of God, even though you loftily reject him. This is quite deep if you think about it carefully. Yes. Please think about this carefully, because it is true.

Joshthefirst:
God is not a cultural feature, religion is a cultural feature. Different cultures have different religions. Thank you for pointing that out. It looks to me like you're trying to change the subject of our argument.

God as used by me refers to deliberate existential origin of all things.

Again I say:
"A man's culture, his way of life, his life in and of itself, his art(music, literature), his science, his discovery, his diplomacy...the history of his kind, his emotions and hopes and dreams, his advancement, his squalor, his work, his ambition(s). All are fickle and meaningless without God, without divine justice and immortality. This truth is hardwired in us and forms the most primitive basis of our drive and life."

Joshthefirst:
I must admit you really are good at finding loopholes when you're backed into a corner.

unfortunately I'm good at clearing out sought after loopholes also.

When I mention God, I refer to his existence, not religion. Existence is reality. Religion is a system of belief and worship, therefore it is secondary to the issue at hand. Thank you. now address the argument and stop looking for cop-outs.

"A man's culture, his way of life, his life in and of itself, his art(music, literature), his science, his discovery, his diplomacy...the history of his kind, his emotions and hopes and dreams, his advancement, his squalor, his work, his ambition(s). All are fickle and meaningless without God(should I say Gods to satisfy you?), without divine justice and immortality. This truth is hardwired in US and forms the most primitive basis of our drive and life."

Oxenomy:
I call it the 5 B's:
1) Beauty: she must be beautiful(presentable)

2) Brain: she must be intellectually sound( academically and otherwise).. I.e able to suggest solution to family problem.

3) Background : she must have a good background (the kind of family she comes from) I.e genetic traits

4) Behavior: she must be of good behavior ( home keeper, taking care of her husband (sexually), taking care of herself(keeping fit and eating healthy), etc) In other words, self discipline..

5) Belief: her religion is very important ( morality, very important in training children

franzis:
Only broke guys don't provide (no matter how little it is) for their girlfriend

Joshthefirst:



Kay, I don't think I ever brought up the nature or culture of God, or his religious group. Why are you doing so? How does it change or invalidate my basic argument? Should I substitute God for the creator(s)?

Please can we stick to the issue at hand and can you stop bring up unforseen sequels and distractions?

Maybe I should summarize my main argument again?


Here it is:

"A man's culture, his way of life, his life in and of itself, his art(music, literature), his science, his discovery, his diplomacy...the history of his kind, his emotions and hopes and dreams, his advancement, his squalor, his work, his ambition(s). All are fickle and meaningless without God(should I say Gods to satisfy you?), without divine justice and immortality. This truth is hardwired in US and forms the most primitive basis of our drive and life."


To which you have no refute apart from bringing up distractions(maybe because it's the u deniable truth?)

Joshthefirst:
You accuse me of being close minded, but you are also so close minded you do not even address the meat and issue of my post but you go off on an off topic tangent.

What I say is that religion and religious culture, was birthed as a result of the nihility of life without God, and divine justice, etc.

The problem with you is that I believe you are ignoring what I'm saying in favor of lighter issues that you seemingly have words and answers for.

Culture, a man's way of life, his art, his life in and of itself, is meaningless without God in the picture of his consciousness and his culture, without divine justice and immortality in convoluted background motives of his living force and hopes.

Accept this first, before we delve into the subset of God and morality in different cultures and religions.

Joshthefirst:
It doesn't matter what culture does. I ask what gives meaning to life. Life including culture. Culture, everything, is meaningless without God and Divine Justice and immortality.

KingEbukasBlog:
The creator is impervious to time and its effects - transition , change , whatever !