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@OP

Why do those acts mentioned offend God?

Do they merely irritate him?

And if God decides these wouldn't offend him anymore, what happens?

@joshdafirst

Since humanity is on mental and physical decline, since the DNA is deterioriating rapidly, why is such decline immediate to inbreeding rather than reproduction generally?

maryam8080: There is a big gulf between creating awareness (Sex education) and advertisement (commercialization of sex). Instead of sex education you are opting for advertisement which very wrong and demeaning! Because in your language sex is beautiful.

Commercialization of sex involves a trade not just advertisement, and sex advertisement also works as educating source about sex.

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No that is the necessary conclusion from your post, since you agreed with me sex is pure and good.

maryam8080: Advertisement in this context is beyond dissemination of certain information, it has to do with attraction of investment into the sex industry of which people like you are propelling.

Deep Sight: Is there anything that can be objectively verified by something other than our five senses?

The same senses, which you, and rigmaroler plaetton, question and doubt.

Therefore how can anything whatsoever be ever known objectively?

My OP clearly states my intentions, I'm not saying as an absolute truth that there isn't an objective world, rather its a search for validity and truth.

maryam8080: Advertisement in this context is beyond dissemination of certain information, it has to do with attraction of investment into the sex industry of which people like you are propelling.

I would in the same vein presume all investments are bad, and corrupt such a good thing as sex, right?

Uyi Iredia: What's not dirty about it ? Simply because you or other people gain pleasure from it doesn't make it less dirty. P*rn depends on people s€xual instinct. Selling s€x, particularly the hardcore sort, folks won't normally engage in, tendency of making people addicted and causing rift between couples, moreso where one of them dislikes it are some of the adverse effects of pörn. You seem to be tge more objective of NL atheists so I would hope my points would be carefully considered by you so that its truth WILL be evident to you. Not to mention how it corrupts young minds.

Evidently from the above both sex and soft core sex are filthy. Same goes with selling anything.

Uyi Iredia: I hope you aren't as conservative when it comes to killing. There is a beauty very usually not seen in watching someone die, particularly in a horrific way, or through a well-executed martial arts move. A virgin advert territory I might add, ripe for folks like me: I would therefore expect you, based on this, to allow one sell goods using violence.

Same goes with democracy, paintings, free speech, human rights, arts, music and everything beautiful?!

Uyi Iredia: What's not dirty about it ? Simply because you or other people gain pleasure from it doesn't make it less dirty. P*rn depends on people s€xual instinct. Selling s€x, particularly the hardcore sort, folks won't normally engage in, tendency of making people addicted and causing rift between couples, moreso where one of them dislikes it are some of the adverse effects of pörn. You seem to be tge more objective of NL atheists so I would hope my points would be carefully considered by you so that its truth WILL be evident to you. Not to mention how it corrupts young minds.

But you have no problem with soft-core porn?

Joshthefirst: good evening ma'am.

God has made us fit. He has changed our natures. He has made us righteousness.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

And if I witness you sinning, that alone is sufficient to condemn you as a sinner.

@bidam

Sinners are desperate ppl too, you could be lying and I don't trust you.

aManFromMars: Ambiguous, as we do not all share the same view of reality. I think truth is what is objectively verifiable e.g nature.

"Truth is what is objectively verifiable" is an epistemological consideration, you chain the truth to our sensory bias.

Truth is what's real. A bearing/conformity with reality.

maryam8080: Well I will accept that u talk about sex education not advertisement. The word advertisement is disrespectful to humanity, I mean is an insult to human dignity. In the best interest of the society I suggest you rescind that word "advertisement"

Advertisement merely means dissemination of certain information simple. I don't see how that reduces human dignity to null, there.

Elantracey: sex is not a bad thing pre-marital sex is

But what you said doesn't make sense, Sex as an act itself is not bad, but good regardless of the fact it is either in a matrimonial home or not. Otherwise Sex as an act would be neutral (neither good nor bad), and its the extraneous arrangement: marriage or premarital that wld make it either good or bad.

Joshthefirst:
I am appaled ma'am

Because of your conservative view on sex

Joshthefirst: Here's something important for both you and deepsight to ponder on ma'am. I hope you read it all and think about it.

I will open a thread about it tomorrow hopefully. Its very serious.

1 corinthians 1:18  For the story and message of the cross is sheer absurdity and folly to those who are perishing and on their way to perdition, but to us who are being saved it is the [manifestation of] the power of God. 19  For it is written, I will baffle and render useless and destroy the learning of the learned and the philosophy of the philosophers and the cleverness of the clever and the discernment of the discerning; I will frustrate and nullify [them] and bring [them] to nothing. 20  Where is the wise man (the philosopher)? Where is the scribe (the scholar)? Where is the investigator (the logician, the debater) of this present time and age? Has not God shown up the nonsense and the folly of this world’s wisdom? 21  For when the world with all its earthly wisdom failed to perceive and recognize and know God by means of its own philosophy, God in His wisdom was pleased through the foolishness of preaching [salvation, procured by Christ and to be had through Him], to save those who believed (who clung to and trusted in and relied on Him).
(AMP)

Here's another translation

1 Corinthians 1:18-21 The Message that points to Christ on the Cross seems like sheer silliness to those hellbent on destruction, but for those on the way of salvation it makes perfect sense. This is the way God works, and most powerfully as it turns out. It's written,
I'll turn conventional wisdom on its head, I'll expose so-called experts as crackpots. So where can you find someone truly wise, truly educated, truly intelligent in this day and age? Hasn't God exposed it all as pretentious nonsense? Since the world in all its fancy wisdom never had a clue when it came to knowing God, God in his wisdom took delight in using what the world considered dumb—preaching, of all things!—to bring those who trust him into the way of salvation.



It baffles me when human wisdom blows up simple matters into complexity.
It baffles me to think people read the bible, and ignore these words that adress every issue humans can ever bring up.

It is not unexpected that you'd consider the subject of this thread unnecessary/unimportant. You are able to found your most important truths on mere faith, but can the truth be backed up by a lie?! No. Of what use is holding on to false beliefs because of our pyschological demand for meaning and God?!

The purpose of this thread is to draw up the criteria and requirements for the truth.

Deep Sight: You are heading down the path of meaninglessness started here -

https://www.nairaland.com/1493701/philosophy-truth-through-pictorial-arguments#19113797

Nothing can be known.

Happy?

Live with it.

Nooo! I'm not making the same conclusions as the thread link herein, rather I'm desirous of making an epistemological foundation which is most desired in debates of a philosophical/theological natures. Before we head to the farm, our tools must be sharpened.

I will quote Descartes as to the importance of this exercise.

Accordingly, seeing that our senses sometimes deceive us, I was willing to suppose that there existed nothing really such as they presented to us; and because some men err in reasoning, and fall into paralogisms, even on the simplest matters of geometry, I, convinced that I was as open to error as any other, rejected as false all the reasonings I had hitherto taken for demonstrations; and finally, when I considered that the very same thoughts (presentations) which we experience when awake may also be experienced when we are asleep, while there is at that time not one of them true, I supposed that all the objects (presentations) that had ever entered into my mind when awake, had in them no more truth than the illusions of my dreams. But immediately upon this I observed that, whilst I thus wished to think that all was false, it was absolutely necessary that I, who thus thought, should be somewhat; and as I observed that this truth, I think, therefore I am, was so certain and of such evidence that no ground of doubt, however extravagant, could be alleged by the sceptics capable of shaking it, I concluded that I might, without scruple, accept it as the first principle of the philosophy of which I was in search

As to your objection, it has no bearing on my skepticism, it is either an argument is true or false not meaningless. By making the meaningless argument, you beg the question and falsity has little consequence if swollen with meaning. In fact all is acceptable as long it carries meaning. This is the consequence of your bad argument.

maryam8080: the topic is all about the abuse of sex as in pornographic movies and unclad pictures shown around in the social media. If you don't know what the topic is all about go read from the op!

If an object is beautiful, there is no fault in promoting and advertising such an object, same as sex!

Bidam: Look at what Paul the chief of sinners( 1 Timothy 1:15) told the greek philosophers and idol worshipers in thesalonica, because they humbled themselves to listen to him.

And we also thank God continually because,when you received the word of God,which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men,BUT AS IT ACTUALLY IS THE WORD OF GOD WHICH IS AT WORK IN YOU WHO BELIEVE. ( 1 Thessalonians 2:13).

But the sinner is too imperfect, filled with doubt and faulted senses and weak to his sinful instincts, how then is this sinner fit to spread the perfect news?!

The issue is too bare to ignore.

maryam8080: How is abuse to drug use dirty and yet such drugs are useful to humans if used on a regulated manner? I still maintain my stand sex is not dirty and rotten but the abuse of sex is very dirty and rotten. The earlier you get this to your head the better you start to improve the moral standard of the society.

I'm glad you saw sex and its abuse as two different subjects, however I was discussing sex alone. If sex is something beautiful and divinely powerful, should we propagate it more, should its beauty be declared daily?!

maryam8080: I think these names you are calling is not in line with what the topic is all about. This topic is talking about how we can keep the sanctity of this thing that hold the power of reproduction. This topic is saying that there is an abuse going on in the act of sex... sex is not filthy and is not rotten but the method to which it has been commercialized and used as a means of pollution in the society is filthy and rotten.

How is spreading sex contents through social media and internet polluting if the subject itself (sex) isn't dirty?

OLAADEGBU: Atheism is indeed intellectual genocide.

The purpose of man as per Genesis was to replenish the earth, it isn't an indvidual purpose, but one given to all humans. Even at surface value the christian purpose to life is shallow

The demonization of sexuality! Why should sexuality be condemned as rotten, when it is one of man's most vital instinct! It solely holds the power of reproduction - - a Godlike power. How then could such a thing be filthy?!

But the Bible says man is freewilled, hence he is responsible for his background and history.

anochuko01: bro, ur vast knowledge wont give u smethng better...
Give Christ a chance in ur lyf....and U'll nt be dissapointd

We are having a conversation here, try to be in line with it. I know you strongly believe Jesus is the way, however I want you to know that your following Jesus is entirely your own decision from your limited knowledge.

That your belief in the truthfulness of the Bible is based on you.

Am I right?

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Are you aware that your decision to follow Jesus is based your own knowledge, your limited knowledge?

anochuko01: if accepting Jesus as my saviour is dat easy, why dont you accept him today?
No step in life might be as 'difficul' as following Jesus.
Even those who ar said to av made it in lyf later realise dat they need Jesus. Pastor Adeboye (who had a phd at abt 35yrs nd wntd to be d youngst vice chancelor in nigeria) in the1980s (when RCCG was not yet knwn beyond ebute metta in lagos) had to burn all his certificates so he wouldnt be temptd to go bck to lecturing. What other descision could be "harder" than dis?
He has gotten to a level he would never av gotten if he had bn a lecturer.
Bro, at the end, on the long run, u'll knw dat it pays to serve God. Jst as rewards are given AFTER a race, so would GOD reward us AFTER our journey on earth...where there'll be no re-run.

But you made the decision to follow Jesus?! You could have chosen otherwise

Self preservation can easily be an unconscious drive seated safely within an individual out of reach from himself.

I put it to you that man develops his most dangerous ideas that harm his chances of self preservation by rationalization and contemplation

Joshthefirst: jesus is in us. Our sibs have been remitted by his grace and sacrifice. We have become the righteousness of God, ambassadors of Christ.

2 corinthians 5:19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

So you are not a sinner?

Joshthefirst: Jesus is in us. He's here. He confirms our words. He speaks through us.
He preaches the message.

The pilot is here.
But man still rejects him.
Some recognize him, and find light and life in his name.

John 1:11 He came to his own people, and even they rejected him. 12 But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.

I thought Jesus didn't dwell in sinners?!! How can something as pure as Jesus speak through filthy sinners like you. Can u walk amongst pigs in a white gown?! I doubt it.

@Olaadegbu

Why can't Jesus appear to us? He can do it, can't he? Didn't he resurrect Lazarus from the death, who have you resurrected?

anochuko01: jeremiah 29:11 says.
"For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end"

our small human mind cant comprehend wat God has 4us. Most times, It takes God to convince us even b4 we cn completely adhere to his plans. Bt if we cn do dis, we'l b glad we did.

In other words, you don't know your purpose, how then do you live on such a temporary footing without a compass.

Isn't it your decision to acccept Jesus as your lord and saviour?

Probably you are too afraid to take the major steps in your life, you relegated that decision making task to Jesus to handle. But note you chose Jesus

okeyxyz: ^^^^

So tell us, what other types of entities respond to stimuli if not living/conscious ones?? There has to first be an awareness of self which would then determine if the stimulus is friendly or hostile. You disagree??

I totally disagree with you. Again response to stimuli can be mechanical and not in terms of friendly or hostile rather what environment is agreeable or disagreeable.

On the issue of pain and consciousness, physical pain operates on reflexes, preconceived mechanical reactions. For example I dip my hand into a bucket of hot water of about 100 oC, there isn't any contemplation required to withdraw. If one's cognitive functions shut down, pain would still trigger such reaction.

okeyxyz: This question has already been hacked before it was concluded. Who the heck are the two jokers who liked this post?? I'm guessing @plaeteon was one.

We may not be able to pinpoint the intrinsic consciousness of another entity but it's consciousness is very evident in that every living thing responds to stimuli, whether hostile or friendly(read my response to @plaetton's question on virus). Now we know the difference between a dead body from a living one in that the living one responds to stimuli. The dead body cannot respond because it's consciousness has been separated from it.

So we may not know what another entity might be thinking but we can be sure it is alive and thus conscious. GBAM!!!

A response to stimuli isn't necessarily consciousness, because consciousness goes further to the point of self awareness! So you are seriously mistaken to believe a mere response to stimuli is an attribute of consciousness.

It is even ridiculous to believe the enivornment is what stimulates consciousness in the same way stimuli do. It is still an intrinsic fact.

Joshthefirst: jesus preached to the jews in the flesh and performed inconceivable miracles proving he was the messiah and God who has power over life and death. But they still did not believe him. They were faced with the fact of the resurrection and still paid men to lie.

If Jesus came to you, you'd just raise another excuse to not believe in him, like you do now. Jesus is in us, reconciling those who believe to himself.

So you wish to preempt me! You already know all the contents of my mind abi?! Why can't you be honest?! If Jesus came down from Heaven to visit me, and preaches to /ministers to me just like Paul's case, why wouldn't I convert?! Paul must have heard lots of Christian sermons and must have had a good understanding of Christian doctrines, yet he didn't believe what sinners told him. And all that skepticism disappeared in just one night!

But sinners with the inbuilt desire to lie and deceive, are not naturally believeable.