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Mayntheemaynn:
do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too same way you take the sheep and goats 'hell' parable?

Is this one also a parable?

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Mayntheemaynn:
bro, gehenna does not mean grave,, sheol means grave, stop conflating the 2.
the bible never used 'HELL', only later TRANSLATION ignorantly translated these terms to "hell".

Also i am an a-theist. see a fellow christian like you. just try to read it
https://medium.com/@BrazenChurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaa

Jesus used Gehena figuratively for the Jews to understand what he meant but he wasn't referring to the valley of hinnon. Because he said that the fire is never quenched and the worms do not die.

Do you know why motor bikes in South south especially in Edo and Delta State is popularly known as okada?

Okada was an airline started by Chief Igbinedion. Because of the speed of motor bikes, they just called it okada. Does it mean when you here okada, it is referring to the village in Edo state or the airline?

So, whether Gehena was used, or sheol or Hades, it refers to the same destination - hell.

The many parables Jesus gave points to one message. There is an afterlife. And those who reject salvation will end up in a place of torment. First destination is hell. Final place is the Lake of fire.

If you don't repent, you will end up there whether you believe it or not. Your unbelief makes no difference.

In fact, the scripture says;

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the LAKE which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The passage even describes what happens in there.

Mayntheemaynn:
do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too same way you take the sheep and goats 'hell' parable?

I have explained to you. Well, you can't understand the things of the Spirit unless you are born again.

Even after this drama, we will still not have sense in the next election. These set of leaders are brainless.

Stop selling your votes.

Organization with vision should start preparing younger and intelligent people for leadership. And we should vote for capable people and not for parties.

Mayntheemaynn:
context
do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too same way you take the sheep and goats parable?

I just explained to you what the seed represent. The seed is not literal but the message is clear.

Even Jesus in one of the parable said the seed is the word of God. And the soils are the different conditions of the hearts of men.

Mayntheemaynn:
no, gehenna was used.

go to this page, you will see the chistian part and where gehenna was used in the gospel books you are asking me to read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gehenna


After that look up the history of gehenna inside the bible especially the old testament.

I never said Jesus didn't mention Gehena. But in some other illustrations pointing to the same place of torment, he used other terms so the reader who honestly wants to learn will clearly understand what is being taught.

For instance, if hell simply means the physical grave that we know, it sounds foolish to make comments like;

1. The Gates of hell. Do physical graves have gates?

2. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Do lifeless body weep and gnash their teeth.

3. As deep as hell. Do you use a grave that has a shallow Dept as a reference for depth? Even the deep ocean was not used. Because hell is far deeper than the deepest ocean.

4. The scripture says that the wicked shall be turned into hell - Psalms 9:17. If hell means grave, is it only the wicked that goes there?

5. Cast into hell or thrown into hell. Do you throw people into graves. Death bodies are gradually lowered into Graves. They are never thrown.

Check my thread on the differences between hell and grave for more information.

Mayntheemaynn:
do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too?

It one context, it means that everything in the kingdom of God revolves around the principle of send sowing and harvest. What you sow is what you reap. And you reap in multiple proportions.

In another context, it refers to how the kingdom of God grows. It might look smallest at the beginning but incredibly large just like a seed grows into big trees.

So, who got the 20 million naira? The police or the informat?

Mayntheemaynn:
do you take the parable of kingdom of God as a seed as literal too?

Parables are truths conveyed using illustrations of events that could actually happen in reality.

So, even if it's a parable, it means it can actually happen and will happen.

For instance, the parable of the sheep and goats clearly reveals what will happen to those who ignore others who are in need. They will end up in hell fire.

So, all the parables carry a moral lesson. They are not fairy tales.

Mayntheemaynn:
then mention one jew that takes sheol as hell, abi they dont understand it?

matthew, mark and luke talks about gehenna to hisJEWISH AUDIENCE.
jesus never said 'hell'.
do your research, why take parable as literal lol

Different words were used. Even Jesus mentioned outer darkness, everlasting fire, furnace of fire.

He also mentioned the experiences of those who will be thrown in.

He said that they will weep and gnashed their teeth.

In another place, he said, they will wail and gnashed their teeth.

Why? Because of the pains and torments.

Even the parable of the wheat and tares says the same thing.

No one has an excuse to say that he doesn't know what Jesus was saying.

He said it in many ways. Go back and read your Bible.

Otherwise, you will regret when you get in there.

Mayntheemaynn:
It is a parable. just like the parable of kingdpm of your god that is a seed. it is not to be taken literal

also look up the greek word of 'eternal'.

book of revelation was written by?
not to forget the author said all the events will happen SOO,....

I hope you went to school? What is a parable?

Mayntheemaynn:
jesus was talking about gehenna to his jewish audience during 1st century palestine, what will they think of gehnna then?
gehenna was not originaly used for dumping of refuse. look up the history of gehenna to understand what jesus meant in 1st century when he said, 'the fire there is never quenched and the worms do not die.'

there is spiritual worm in your hell?

The scripture pointing to the reality of hell are too many to be ignored or misunderstood. Go through the gospel of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. You will see infallible proves that hell is indeed real.

Mayntheemaynn:
is that not a parable? use your senses a little.
the kingdom of heaven is like a seed, do you also interpret it as LITERAL, why not?
why you so desperate for hell?

gehenna is a place where sacrfices and HUMAN BODIES ARE DISPOSED AND BURNT,

It's not a parable. Because the fulfillment is contained in Revelation 20:10-15. It will certainly happen.

The everlasting fire is the Lake of fire in Revelation 20:10.

And those whose names are not in the book of Life will also be thrown in there after the final judgement - Revelation 20:15.

MaxInDHouse:
Anyone who makes thorough research to find out that Hellfire is a lie must have been taught by Russell and Rutherford.

Guy open your eyes. You're chatting with an atheist who doesn't believe in whatever the Bible says all he's interested in is Wikipedia and secular history in which nothing like fairy tale of Hellfire doctrine exists?

An atheist has a better hope than Jehovah Witness adherents. At least we have seen a couple of them embracing Christ on Nairaland. But Jehovah Witness members seems to be hopelessly lost in the doctrines of Russell and Rutherford.

My prayer is that some of you will realize the truth and embrace the true gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Where did he get the money from? Is his salary enough to get that kind of money? They restrict depositors to a certain limit daily so they can use our monies for their pleasures. And we all keep mute like zombies. Even so called lawyers who are supposed to know the law keep quiet and permit unreasonable policies to prevail. Did they use juju on us?

Chinaka200:
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People also die of poisoning during sleep. There are poisons you take or inhale that kills you. So many have died of generator fumes. Others die through poisonous food they ate before sleeping or poisonous gas they inhale while sleeping.

Mayntheemaynn:
New testament is talking about Gehenna not hell.
Why don't you ask Jews that owns your Jewish bible what Sheol means? What are you afraid of?

Have you visited Israel to see if the fire in that valley is still burning. It doesn't any more. It's simply a place of refuse dump. But Jesus says that the fire there is never quenched and the worms do not die.

At least, you have converts all over the world. Why not ask those in Israel to confirm if fire is still burning in that physical valley.

Mayntheemaynn:
You have been brainwashed with Norse mythologies to believe there is a LOCATION called hell and heaven after you die.


Read again, you dont have to assume when you can do a little research on the HEBREW word and know what it means.
2samuel 22.6


The problem with you people is that you still insist on your beliefs in the face of contrary evidences.
In your new testament, sheol is translated into hades not hell.
revelation 20;14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

How do you interpret scripture like this;

Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Don't tell me the fire refers to Gehena, the valley in Israel. Because, Satan certainly can't be thrown into a physical valley. Use your brain. Thosebwhite men, Russell and Rutherford have brainwashed you. Must you continue to defend lies even in the face of contrary evidences?

Aemmyjah:
What is spirit?
Animals have spirits too according to the Bible. Spirits activate us, differentiating us from the dead
Soul is the person or being. Bible mentions that animals are souls. The Bible says souls can feel hunger, be killed with the sword ⚔
Animals and humans have body too

So rest

You don't have answer to my question. Check my thread on my book, The Total Man and you will clearly understand the three components that makes up man and the differences between the spirit and soul.

Aemmyjah:
So your hellfire will consume mountains and earth
Issok

The heat from hell is what results in volcanoes. Even though hell is a spiritual kingdom at the center of the earth, very deep below, it affects the physical earth.

Escavators have once dug so deep they began to hear terrible cries from beneath. They lowered a microphone that could withstand temperature of over 2,000 degree celcius. By the time it was retrieved, the microphone has melted but they were able record few seconds which revealed deep cries and agonies they couldn't explain.

The Constitution has to be amended first. What if those opposing it are more because terrorism is a joint venture business.

Aemmyjah:
Adam became a living soul

Olodo

If the totality of man is referred to as soul in all content, why the the scripture below separate the soul from the body and even the spirit?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Aemmyjah:
Your tongue sets your own body on fire?
This guy no get sense

Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Tell me in your correct sense that the hell above is grave.

Over 95% of Nigeria politicians minds are set on looting not on investment. This I know. We need to pass a bill to impose death sentence on all looters. The issue is those who are supposed to pass the bill are themselves looters. Where do we start from? When we have the right person at the top. You can't get to the office through corrupt means and expect to fight corruption successfully.

Mayntheemaynn:
what is spirit and spirit being?
what was in luke 24;39, what is been talked about ?

why dont you start from verse 1?
1. Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish, 2 saying,
“I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice.


sheol means grave, your grave can be in the water, on land or in the belly of a wild animal.

hope you know everyone goes to sheol and its never meant as 'hell' for wicked people. this is basic common sense.

So, fire burns in your own grave? The scripture talks about the fire of hell;

James 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on FIRE OF HELL.

Aemmyjah:
So Abel's blood is crying out?
Guy, your ignorance suppose get PhD


Bible says that when God breathed into Adam nostrils, Adam became a living soul
The soul Adam came to be when God breathed into his nostrils.
Jesus himself said NO MAN HAS ASCENDED TO THE HEAVENS EXCEPT THE ONE WHO DESCENDED FROM IT, JESUS CHRIST

You need to go back to school and study the use of English. The word translated soul in this context is not the same as the immortal soul.

The word soul in some context just means a person while in other context, it refers to the immortal soul.

You brain is too damaged to understand this truth.

Just go and check your dictionary and see the different usage of the word soul.

Mayntheemaynn:
you dont have to assume when you can do a little research on the HEBREW word and know what it means.
2samuel 22.6

In your new testament, sheol is translated into hades not hell.
revelation 20;14
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

You have been brainwashed to believe death means cessation of existence.

Jesus died but he still lives on.

The false prophet and the beast thrown into the Lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 are acknowledged to still be there after over 1,000 years in Revelation 20:10.

The problem with you people is that you still insist on your beliefs in the face of contrary evidences.

So, why didn't the false prophet and beast disappear?

You certainly don't have answer to it. You are just warming up to join them. Your eyes will be clear when you get there. Your brain will reset but it will be too late.

Mayntheemaynn:
this is obviously poetry., He uses a metaphor to describe his feelings inside the belly of the fish.

1. Then Jonah prayed to the Lord his God from the belly of the fish, 2 saying,
“I called out to the Lord, out of my distress, and he answered me; out of the belly of Sheol I cried, and you heard my voice.

use your senses, the jewish book are written in hebrew and 'hell' is never mentioned in the bible but in your english translations.


spirit has no flesh or bone, so how is 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' in your hell gonna happen?
oya defend your ignorance lies

Man is not a spirit but a spirit being. There is marked difference between both. The spirit of man looks exactly like the body. He is complete. Just the way you dream. You look complete in your dream.

Everything that exists in the physical has it's spiritual root. So, the spirit of man has every part complete in him. But in order to function on earth, he has to put on a physical body.

But you didn't answer my question. Lets assume the word sheol in the passage of Jonah 2:2 means physical grave. So, Jonah cried from the physical grave. But we know he was never buried.

You say that the dead are not conscious. So, how come an unconscious man cried?

Aemmyjah:
Adam returned to his own former state as punishment
Where is he now?
Is dust from the spiritual realm?

His body returned back to the earth. But his soul lives on. Whether in heaven or hell, God is the judge.

Have you forgotten about Abel his son that was murdered by his brother Cain? Though he was dead but his blood cried out to God.

The book of Revelation talks about the souls of the dead crying out to God for vengeance. The souls even were clothed.

Revelation 6:9-13
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 AND THEY CRIED with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 AND WHITE ROBES were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The passage above says it all. If you still don't believe, then, there is no redemption for you.

Michael547:
Lol.....show me verses that refers to spiritual earth and where the bible teaches that a physical earth clothes the spiritual one.

The spiritual gave birth to the physical.

Man was already in existence before his body was formed. Both the man and woman were created the same day. And God blessed them even before their bodies were formed.

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27-28.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Notice the phrase, God blessed them. It didn't say, God blessed him.

But it was later that God formed the body of Adam and that of Eve from the rib of man. But they were already created and complete.

Everything you see in the physical existed first in the spirit realm.

This is why you dream and see yourself in places that looks real.

Genesis 1:26-28

Mayntheemaynn:
you are quoting jewish books, ask the jews themselves.
again, it is not to be taken literal, the verse in isiah says sheol, that is grave.

jesus was telling his JEWISH AUDIENCE about GEHENNA.

think very well, spirit has no flesh or bone, so how is 'weeping and gnashing of teeth' in your hell gonna happen?

But you say that those in the grave do not know anything. How come Jonah cried from the grave? Jonah 2:2

2. And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Use your brain. You have been deceived.

If the word translated hell above means grave to you, then you contradict your own doctrine that the dead are unconscious.

Please defend your lies.

APC supporters should clap for themselves. The government is doing well. INEC chairman and our judges should also clap for themselves for the good job they did.