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Maynthemayn:
So what did Jesus call "hell" to his Jewish audience?

And the Lazarus story, do you think the Pharisees took it literal?

Not every Jews believed Jesus. So, not every Jews believed his messages. Even some of his disciples left him when he began to talk about eating his flesh and drinking his blood.

Even when he rose from the dead, Thomas didn't believe until he saw him.

So, you don't have to wait to hear the affirmation of the Jews before you believe God's word that is clearly written.

Maynthemayn:
Chai, damn religion. When does it stop making sense to you?

Most things of God doesn't make sense but they are true.

Does it make sense for Jesus to send Peter to go catch fish and get money out of the mouth of the fish?

Does it make sense to walk on water. Jesus walked on water.

Does it make sense for a wine to be demanded in an occasion and Jesus asked them to fill water pots with water that was turned into wine.

This is why the scripture says that the preaching of the gospel is foolishness to those who are perishing.

Aemmyjah:
So there are people with incomplete body parts in the kingdom of God shey?

Certainly not. It's just a way of expressing the price you must pay in ensuring you enter into God's kingdom. It also explains how terrible hell is. Even if you have to lose one eye to get into God's kingdom, it's far better than going into hell with two eyes. There is not a disabled person in the kingdom of heaven.

The only way it can be applied is when you are faced with persecution to deny your faith and you are threatened that they will remove your eyes unless you deny your faith. A faithful Christian will not comprise even unto death. But even if they remove your eyes before they kill you, you will be whole in the kingdom of heaven.

The South easterners are hard working and they are majorly into business. The people most affected by this hardship are civil servants and the unemployed.

Maynthemayn:
So lake of fire is no more liquid fire, lake of fire now contains worms?
So are people in hell or lake of fire now?

So where did Jesus talk on hell?
And is it lake of fire that has different department, earlier you said it was hell.

It's hell that has department or different kind of cells.

Why do you think it strange to have worms in liquid fire? Are there not sea animals. These worms are not ordinary worms. They are designed to survive the heat and add to the torment.

The present hell is Hades. And that was the term used when Jesus told the story of the Rich man and Lazarus.

Maynthemayn:
I wish you can just Drop your delusion for a sec and just read on this Jewish concepts, this is a fellow Christian like you explaining it using scriptures and common sense.
https://medium.com/@BrazenChurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaa

Do you know that there are anti Christ among the Jews. His views doesn't change the truth of the scripture.

Read all the references of hell in the Bible and come back and tell me it's just a physical grave. Only a mad person will reach such conclusion.

Maynthemayn:
which christian or jewish denomination says people are in heaven and hell burning?
which verse states so?

earlier you said, jesus said the fire in hell will never cease, but once it is thrown into lake of fire, wont it seize?

A bigger fire has consumed it but the torment continues.

I also believe that when Jesus said that the fire is never quenched, he was referring to Gehenna (Lake of fire).

Mark 9:43-48
43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

The word from which hell is translated here is Gehenna.

Maynthemayn:
i did, and all what you said are FALSE, kindly send links to your own google were jews take sheol and gehenna as hell and lake of fire, also show me the different departments in gehenna, earlier you said they know, so send me links or rabbis talking about on it.

you are basing your life on hell tales you read in a jewish book, there should be thousands of references that the jews themselves use even before jesus parents were born.

Stop emphasizing on affirmation from the Jews. I told you they know what Hades, Sheol and Gehenna means.

Even if we use the scripture to analyze how these terms were used, common sense will tell you they are places of torment. The first two refers to the present hell while the later is the Lake of fire.

Check my thread on the contrast between hell and physical grave, you will understand better.

Mayntheemaynn:
so there are people in heaven and hell now?

Sure but hell is much more people.

Mayntheemaynn:
i didnt talk about the jews affirmation, just show me where jews take sheol and gehenna as hell and lake of fire, also show me the different departments in gehenna, earlier you said they know.

Google it and you will see the interpretation given to it online.

Aemmyjah:
You too like superstories
I can equally write such stories and make money too
Stories that are contradictory to each other and makes no sense
Imagine touching a flower and it sings hallelujah
Imagine saying that Michael Jackson is doing brake dance in hellfire and that's how the demons work
That millions of people are entering hellfire like a wave and Jesus is weeping bitterly
Worst of all is saying Ben 10 (a cartoon character) is in hellfire
They have seen John Lennon, Michael Jackson, Pope John Paul 2...

If I were not a JW, I'll publish the most sentimental, interesting story of my journey to hellfire and back. I'll make millions too... I just came back from hellfire. Satan has potbelly and is dressed like a clown 🤡
Why not take the books side by side and compare them and see how thoroughly you've been misled

I don't believe every stories of hell. I judge their narration with the word of God. And most of them are indeed true. Your unbelief doesn't change it. After all, you don't even believe the testimonies of Jesus about hell. So, it has programmed your mind not to believe any story about hell. In fact, your second name is unbelief.

gobuchinny:
Brotherly Satan is not in hell. His on earth. He can't stand hell. Hell is a holding place until the coming of Christ. Then he will be in the lake of fire

He moves to and fro. He goes to hell to receive reports and monitor what is happening on the earth. He also moves on the earth. He is an adversary who walks about.

paulos8:
Within the Christian faith, there is a significant amount of confusion regarding what happens after death. Some hold that after death, everyone “sleeps” until the final judgment, after which everyone will be sent to heaven or hell. Others believe that at the moment of death, people are instantly judged and sent to their eternal destinations. Still others claim that when people die, their souls/spirits are sent to a “temporary” heaven or hell, to await the final resurrection, the final judgment, and then the finality of their eternal destination. So, what exactly does the Bible say happens after death?
What then also becomes of our soul and spirit after death? Is the soul immortal??

I'm really confused... Don't know which one to believe anymore

After death, some souls immediately go to their place of destiny, heaven or hell, while others linger in the realm of the spirit but eventually go to their destiny or return back to earth if it's not yet their time.

So many who returned back tells story like they were approaching a gate but they were never permitted to enter in.

But if you die through a ghastly motor accident with no hope of returning, your soul will instantly either go to hell or heaven.

The Rich man and Lazarus story is a good example. They both died and went to their destination instantly after death.

Jonah is another good example. Jonah died and went to hell before for the three days his lifeless body was in the belly of the fish.

It's an understatement.

guobe:
It is the start of a new year and most Christians do practice the act of fresh fruits whereby your first salary in the year or fresh profit of business, first money of your new marriage etc is given to the church.
In this harsh agbado economy in Nigeria,is it possible to practice the act of giving first fruits.

Your first salary is your first fruit but it's not compulsory you give all. You give your best. This is the practice even under the Law of Moses. They were commanded to give their best and not all of it.

Mayntheemaynn:
So what happens in Gehenna(hell)?
Will people later go to lake of fire?
And what did Jews know "lake of fire" as in their language.

I appreciate your question. In actual sense, because Jesus never specifically used the phrase, Lake of fire, we just infer he is referring to hell in all context. So, we have to read between lines to discern which one is is referring to, hell or Lake of fire. Honestly, I have never taken my time to differentiate which one is is referring to. I think I will take my time and point out when he is talking about the present hell or the Lake of fire.

Like I mentioned in my response in the other post, I believe Gehenna is the Lake of fire and Hades hell in the New Testament. But I will do more studies on this.

But whichever it is, the bottom line is that if you don't accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and walk in the light of his word, you will be eternally condemned in a burning flame.

Mayntheemaynn:
So when will you be thrown like trash to hell?
Since hell is not lake of fire.
The sheep and goats analogy mentioned lake of fire.

When you die without Jesus, your soul will descend into hell. But if you are born again, your spirit will ascend to heaven. Lost souls actually descend into hell.

But after the final judgement, they will be thrown into the Lake of fire.

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Mayntheemaynn:
Earlier you said the Jews knew all this of Gehenna, the one you call Greek Hell.
So I ask again and again.

Which Jewish traditions says it is?
Quote the verses that shows that Gehenna was hell in old testament.
Do they also know that Sheol means hell? Kindly show me the references...

The Jewish audience of Jesus would have been taught all this somewhere, kindly post a link where they are taught Gehenna has different cell. And that Gehenna is different from lake of fire(what do Jewish people Lake of fire?)

Most things Jesus taught were not revealed under the old testament because they were saints with limited knowledge. But Jesus came as the truth to unveil the realities of the things of the spirit world.

Sheol is the Hebrew word for hell under the old testament. Hades is the Greek word for hell in the New Testament.

Gehenna I believe refers to the Lake of fire. Jesus called it in some places, furnace of fire. He also called it everlasting fire.

Hell is a temporary place of punishment where lost souls awaits final judgement. Some lost souls go to hell and are given the opportunity to come back to earth. And we have countless thousands of such testimonies.

A couple of servants of God have been giving the privilege to visit hell. Some of them even were permitted to go through some torments for a while.

Concerning the Jews affirmation of these truths. We don't need their affirmation to believe the word of God. God tagged them disobedient and rebellious nation. So, how do you expect them to affirm what Jesus taught when they don't even believe in Jesus?

Isaiah said that if not for a remnant that God has preserved for salvation in the end time, Israel would have been like Sodom and Gomorrah.

So, please, stop asking for the confirmation from the Jews. They are presently blinded partially until God is through with the Gentiles.

matify83:
I don't understand the story too well.

From the report, the truck was arrested within Nigeria territory and not at the border crossing, right?

Why all the fuss about nothing?

Has food stuffs suddenly become prohibited items?

Export of food from Nigeria has not been officially banned yet. Why is the army running faster than its shadow?

Update;
I got the story confused with another post I read shortly before on hording of food. My apologies.

Even if they ban it, it will still be exported. It will only make custom officers and other security personnel richer.

Aemmyjah:
Olodo
The goats are never Christians
The goats are wicked people
How many people have you clothed

Is hellfire located at Jesus left hand?

Left hand is symbolic of those that are rejected.

They are Christians. He used the term, 'as long as you did it not to the least of my brethren, you did it not unto me.

None Christians will be judged by the rejection of Christ. Even if you feed one million people and clothe one million people, you will still go to hell if you never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

Mayntheemaynn:
So what happens in Gehenna(hell)?
And what did Jews know "lake of fire" as in their language.

Hell is a very organized place. It has different kinds of cells to accommodate new souls that fall in.

Some of the Cells are like pit of fire. Under their feet are stones of fire. That is one of the worst section of hell. You get burnt on your feet and you are not permitted to come out. There are demons assigned to supervise the punishment.

There are those in cells with bars of iron like we have on earth. Heat waves comes from time to time to torment them. And they rest only for few moments. They are all crying for mercy asking God for a second chance. But it's too late. So, what most of them just do is curse God because of the pains.

Mayntheemaynn:
What are the things that will come to pass?


It will be better if you were not born, than been born and wasting your life away with Jewish and greek mythologies.

I already told you to look up the Greek word of "eternal", what a Pity lol

Most of the things foretold in the book is happening before our very eyes. Since you refused to worship the true God, the anti Christ will come after we are gone and he will force everyone on earth to worship him and receive a mark on their foreheads or right hands. You know that such form of face recognition is on already. There will be a new Super power that will rule from Europe. It will be made of a confederation of 10 European States. He will rule for only 7 years.

Details of what will happen in the future are contained in the Bible including the Book of Revelation. Not one of them will fail. You will also fulfil part of the prophecy. And that is be thrown like a trash can into the Lake of fire.

Since you have made up your mind not to believe the gospel, the wrath of God will be your portion. Please, don't cry when it happens. You are given the opportunity but you reject it.

If the grave could not stop Jesus from rising from the dead, your unbelief will not stop the fulfillment of other scriptures.

Aemmyjah:
Why will I read your book?
Your comments are nonsense
I don't read load of rubbish

Then remain in ignorance. Your ignorance is what will destroy you.

Aemmyjah:
Jesus said the goats will go to everlasting fire in his left hand
Is hellfire by Jesus left hand
Are there goats in hellfire?

The goats are Christians who refuse to render help to the needy. They refuse to clothe the naked when it is within their power.

Are you among the goats?

MaxInDHouse:
Funny churchian!

The gospel is very simple. But Russell and Rutherford preached another gospel. And they are eternally cursed.

Mayntheemaynn:
So lake of fire is different from hell?

Sure. It's liquid fire. Hell is heaven compared with Lake of fire because they have period of rest in hell. But in the Lake of fire, you will be swimming in liquid fire for the rest of your life and at the same time in unbearable torment.

Mayntheemaynn:
The WHOLE BOOK OF REVELATION IS A PARABLE.

Jesus said they are things that must surely come to pass. Your unbelief will not stop it. One day, you will stand before the Great White Throne judgement. And if your name is not found in the book of Life, you will be thrown into the Lake of fire. It was better you were never born than to experience that terrible place. It will be forever and ever.

Mayntheemaynn:
So tell me which Jewish people during Jesus time and now takes Gehenna as Greek hell?

They know it's an eternal place of torment Jesus was referring to. It's the likes of Jehovah Witness organization that is deceiving people.

At the time Jesus used it figuratively, it was no longer used for sacrifice. So, it couldn't have been a threat to the Jews if he was referring to the physical Gehena.

Mayntheemaynn:
Also are you saying as jesus was born in 1st Ad, no Jewish person, prophet, writers knew that gehenna is hell?
Jesus started the concept?

They knew what he was saying. You are the one who doesn't know. And those who don't believe in the reality of hell twist the narrative to oppose the truth of God's word.

Mayntheemaynn:
So what happens in valley of hinnom and what was it known for before Jesus reference it?

So which Jewish person in Jesus time and Now, takes Sheol and valley of hinnom as Greek hell.

The Jews used to sacrifice their children there. But it was later stopped and used just as a refuse dump.

The historical fact that people were burnt there was what brought about the figurative reference.

Mayntheemaynn:
Is Sheol not also casted into lake of fire?

Sure it was. Answer my question. Is that a parable?

Hell is a compartment at the center of the earth shaped like a woman. It was the body parts that every woman has.

It has mouth, legs, hands, belly etc. Jonah went to the belly. Jesus went to the heart.

After hell releases all it's inmate, hell itself will be thrown into the Lake of fire. So, there is nothing hard to understand about that.

Watianoengineer:
Those shouting Peter Obi up and down as if he has magic wand what would Obi had done differently? Peter Obi that failed in Anambra is who they are comparing with a man that set the template for modern Lagos. Even if the price of cement is 50k, we will continue to pray for and support the renewed hope agenda of President Tinubu

You are loyal to a fault. He built Lagos and he is destroying Nigeria. Where are the signs of hope in this government. Must people die before change comes?