₦airaland Forum

masseratti:
my brother, my philosophy about life is always two wrongs don't make a right, there is no way darkness will consume light, just no way, if not for apostasy you will be alarmed about how many Muslims are Christians at heart but could not come out for the fear of their lives, there is nothing like Christian like in being in politics Politics is part of life and we all must participate, we must reward merit more than religious affiliations.

It's alright.

SarkinYarki:
Poisonous gases

Exactly! It was simply poisonous gases.
May their souls rest in peace.

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maasoap:
Anyone could be CJN at any time irrespective of the religions of the president, senate president and speaker of the house. Office of the CJN is not a political office but based on the rank, years of service, it is age long career based.
Concerning Etteh's tenure, it happened. Simple as ABC

I'm not debating any of the points you made. I was only trying to say that since both the President and CJN were Muslims, it wasn't unfair for both the Senate President and Speaker to be Christians. But yeah, that fact contradicted my earlier statement that throughout when PDP was in power, there was never a time both the Senate President and Speaker were of the same religion.

raumdeuter:
I dont need to prove my Christianity to you or to anyone

And when Christians come dont they introduce strange rules as well? WHy are you not concerned about people who have lived centuries in the middle east with a certain set of rules yet missionaries are coming to give them a strange rule, Yet you are here lamenting about a strange rule in Christian place

You're not a Christian, Raumdeuter. Stop the pretence.

Christianity never forces anybody to do anything. You can even renounce your faith and nobody will do anything to you. The so called rules are simple instructions for personal living which you're at liberty not to obey. It's always between you and God.
When however people are forced to live by Sharia law whether they like it or not, it becomes a problem. When people who want to renounce their Islamic faith get killed for apostasy in this 21st century, that's a big concern.
I'm all for freedom across all divides.

raumdeuter:
You are a hypocrite, you are screaming about islamization but you are okay with christianization.

The same way their religion makes you uncomfortable is the same way your religion makes them uncomfortable but you want them to accept and deal with your own inflicted discomfort while resisting theirs

Maybe if you start campaign to stop all missionary and christianization effort, islamization will also stop

Then you are never a Christian. You're very insincere. You understand nothing about Christianity or about walking with God.

Until Christians in the Middle East have as much freedom to even agitate for the teaching of Christian Religious Knowledge in the Middle East, I will continue to oppose the proposition of Sharia in Europe.
If they can't provide a level playing ground in their own land, then they shouldn't demand for it elsewhere.

I am not against Muslims practising their religion in Europe. Even the building that houses my church is currently owned by Muslims. They bought it over from the original owner. One end of it is my church and the other end is a mosque.
Muslims constitute a large chunk of the skilled workforce of the UK at the moment. I don't have a problem with that. They should do their religion peacefully and stop trying to impose strange rules into the system that started existing before they came into the land. That is the issue I have with Islamization. It is often not about increasing the population of Muslims, but rather enforcing the change of the laws of the land to become inclined to Islam. As soon as that happens, all other non-Muslims are at risk. Freedom dies a natural death.

raumdeuter:
What you guys? First I am a Christian
Secondly, how did christianity get into Africa? Was it not through evangelism or what you will call christianization.

There are many missionaries in the middle east currently, there are many couples in my church in the middle east that are christianizing the place.

In almost every country of the world even in China you see missionaries

What are these missionaries doing there

The missionaries in the Middle East have put their lives on the line for the sake of the gospel. Yes, they are 'Christianizing' the region but are they doing it freely and openly? You can't even cross the airport security with a Bible in many Islamic nations. There are no Church buildings in Saudi Arabia. Why can't they bestow the same freedom they enjoy in European Christian nations upon the Christians in their own nations?

My worry about Islamism is the aftermath of it. It's not about the population of Muslims increasing, but the fact that once they get a sizeable number, they impose Sharia law. Before you spell Jack, they've taken away all the freedom you used to enjoy and forcefully impose the backward Islamic teaching and culture on everybody.
You can't be against freedom of religion in your land yet you go to another land that allows freedom and try to impose the rules of your religion that discourages freedom.

masseratti:
no 1 am not a sensitive Christian and I don't want to be, no 2 my Bible tells me to treat everyone equal, that's what makes me a true Christian, love everybody no matter their religion or tribe, no 3 that has what made Christianity the largest in the world and the most advanced.
Now back to the topic am actually wrong and you are wrong too... The CJN when Patricia and Mark were speaker and senate president was kutigi... Not kastina Alu, during Yar'Adua regime, but be that as it may two wrongs don't make a right, if Muslims makes such demands lets show them we are above board, let the best man lead no matter his or her religion.

The point in bold is only on paper at the moment. In the next 30 years, there will be far more Muslims in the Western world than there are Christians. Even in Europe today, many people are no longer religious. These are the same people you consider as Christians. Many European nations as you know them today will become Islamic nations in less than half a century.

You can't have a relationship with Christ and not be sensitive to what is happening in the world as regards the progress of the church. Yes, dragging political positions may seem unspiritual especially when you consider that most the so-called Christian politicians don't even know God, but somehow, their presence serves to protect the interest of Christians directly or indirectly. I know what Christians suffer in Southern Kaduna, most parts of the Core North and all other places where Islam reigns supreme like the Middle East, and I can never support a situation where Muslims occupy all top positions especially in a nation where the population of both religions is nearly equal.
Northern Muslims head most security-related parastatals like Nigerian Army, Airforce, Police, DSS, NSCDC, Immigration, Customs, Prisons, EFCC etc, yet killing of Northern Christians and minorities is at an all time high.

Your last point about showing Muslims we are above board is the reason why most European nations will fall into Islam in less than half a century. The same guys from countries where non-Muslims don't even have freedom of walking along the road with a Bible or gathering together in a church are the people agitating for Sharia law in the UK and all over Europe now. When you're diplomatic in dealing with them, then you will ultimately lose your land and your life.

MetaPhysical:
Sir, please take a break to reflect on some of the things you are saying. When you collect yourself together you can return to contributions.

Whats the big deal if Sharia is in practice in France? In Francophone countries there are areas totally bought up and owned by churches, the civil law of the country is modeled after christianity. If France can do that in other countries why can it not be done in its own soil with a different faith?

When missionaries brought christianity here and you could not attend their sxhool unless you first accept Jesus, what should we call that?

Calm down

How many churches are in Saudi Arabia? Yet there are already over 1000 (maybe over 1500 by now) mosques in the UK.

Muslims have freedom in Europe and are even agitating for implementation of sharia in Christian nations, meanwhile in most Islamic nations, you can't even walk along the road with a Bible. There is no building called a church in the whole of Saudi, Afghanistan, Yemen etc.

Most of the francophone West and Central African nations are majorly Muslim nations like Niger, Chad, Central African Republic, Mali, Mauritania, Senegal etc. France didn't force Christianity on them. Moreover, the same francophone nations were not originally Islamic nations. They had Arabian invaders convert them to Islam through jihad several centuries ago.

Missionaries used schools and all that to draw Southern and Middle Belt Nigerians to Christianity, but at least it's better than the Core North where they were forced to Islam through jihad. If not for the speedy move of those missionaries, the whole of Nigeria would have been an Islamic nation.

My argument in all these is that if Muslims want to enforce sharia in Christian nations simply because they enjoy freedom there, they should also open the doors of the Islamic nations to freedom so that Christians can build churches there too, or do you think there aren't Saudi Arabians who are already Christians in secret and many more who want to become Christians?

raumdeuter:
Isn't there an agenda to Christianize Africa also? WHy do we have a church on every street? Why do Xtians go for evangelism in remote places and in Islamic dominated places, Can you tell what the motive of such evangelism is

How many churches are in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen etc? Yet the UK has over 1000 mosques already and Muslims are agitating for sharia law in the UK. What you guys can't give to Christians in Islamic nations, you demand for them in Christian nations.
I don't have a problem with Muslims 'evangelising' in Christian nations as long as they also open the door for their people who want to accept Christianity. Many people in the Middle East want to accept Christ, but they know they will be killed if they do that.

Splinz:
Wisdom is profitable to direct here.

To show off someone or something connotes a sense of arrogance which invariably turns people off.

Often time, in fact, most of the time, people's primary motive of showing off is to boast, spite and move others to jealousy. Is this really what you want in your marriage--to attract an "evil eye"?

Again, wisdom is profitable to direct.



There's no but.

All I see is a woman who's mentally and emotionally matured. And without mincing words, she's a rare gem. I see no abnormally but a home maker, one who actively works to make her home 'whispers' ends in her bedroom. And just like you, of course I see a wonderful partner!

You may want to retrace your steps and thank goodness for your blessings. Yes, you may want to start counting your blessings one by one...

She posted only her personal pictures taken at her wedding.
She posts pictures of herself, siblings, parents, kids but not her husband.
She makes posts about her colleagues on their birthdays but not her husband.
She cannot allow her husband make a post about her, even if she doesn't want to post about him.
Come on, this cannot be normal. It would have been a different thing if she's not visible on social media at all.
She either doesn't love him or she isn't proud of him or both. She's simply managing him.

Goke7:
stop these lies and think more on how to lead by example by modelling Christ if indeed you are a Christian. Stop brainwashing ignorant folks, you hear? It's only when it comes to Politics and Elections in Nigeria, we remember islamization, what rubbish

Young man/woman, I am not talking propaganda here. This is a real fact, and even many European nations are feeling the heat now. I live in Europe, so I have a first hand experience of Islamic propagation in Europe.

Are you aware there are areas in Paris where Muslims live under Sharia law? Even French Police can't do anything in such areas, as they are completely dominated by Muslims.
In England some years ago, they started agitating for Sharia law. Go to YouTube and type Sharia law in the UK. If you don't see well over 30-100 videos on the topic, I will give you 50k. Meanwhile, you can start with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg0GqRAxGwc

Xaos:
Disgusted at someone she married — the father of her child? Okay. For you to say this, maybe you skipped the part he said she has been / still is a good wife. Or the fact that he ‘only’ isn't a part of her life online.

Oh... You don't know a thing or two about people who hates attention. Is not something you can ‘just’ fathom.

But it's not just about social media. Even when he gets her a gift, she doesn't feel excited about it.
I couldn't have married that kind of lady. I love people who are expressive and pour out their hearts, and that's one thing I've always encouraged in my relationships.

[quote author=maasoap post=77184462][/quote]Oh well, I was wrong with that. However, Patricia Etteh's tenure as Speaker was so short-lived that people often forget she was ever the Speaker. It was Dimeji Bankole (a Muslim) that was the Speaker for the most of that tenure.

Also, remember that in that 2007, a Muslim was the CJN (Idris Kutigi) and another Muslim was elected the president (Yar'Adua). That was Muslims controlling the executive and judiciary. Having Christians control both arms of the legislature was simply equitable.

masseratti:
am a Christian it saddens me when I see my Christian leaders talk this way especially if they are Yorubas, because I believe we are much more liberal minded than others,at a point during Gej tenure all the 3 arms of Government was headed by Christians, the late Chief justice of the Supreme Court Katina Alu, David mark senate President, Gej president.

That was between 2009 and 2011 when Jonathan completed Yar'Adua's tenure. It was the circumstances of Yar'Adua's ill-health and demise that made him become president at that time. During his own tenure from 2011 to 2015, there was never a Christian CJN. Mind you also that the Speaker during the period you quoted was Dimeji Bankole, a Muslim.
CAN was only asking APC to try and consider a Christian legislator for either the SP or Speaker. I don't think it's too much to ask.

If you're a Christian and it doesn't matter to you whether all Nigerian political leaders are Muslims, then I'm sorry to say that you aren't a sensitive Christian. Even SW Muslims won't accept the reverse.
There is a global Islamic agenda to Islamize Africa and Europe. It's unfortunate that some of your can't read the handwriting on the wall.

ollah2:
Does that change the fact that he is a VP and he is the number 2 citizen in Nigeria?

The complaint is that all the arms of government (including the 2 arms of the legislature) are going to be headed by Muslims. There's no confusion there at all.
Moreover, what can the VP really do when the President is fully on ground? We've read reports of VP being denied access into security meetings.
Even the Senate President and Speaker carry more weight than the VP except when the VP is acting president.
Abeg, leave all these VP talk.

Well, I don't blame you. You're a Muslim, so what I am saying won't make sense to you. that change the fact that he is a VP and he is the number 2 citizen in Nigeria?

Kingcesar:
This killings is too much oo. Why can’t the indigenes try and form small vigilante group and protect them sev. Since those bundits can’t be declared terrorist group

RIP TO THE DEAD

Vigilante by poor indigenes of remote villages against AK47 wielding terrorists? Can the vigilante stand the terrorists' fire power? Only 5-10 of such terrorists can easily take down 50 of the local vigilante.

raumdeuter:
The head of Judiciary was Xtian
Head of legislative was Xtian
No MURIC shouted

But at least the head of the executive was a Muslim right?

When David Mark and Patricia Etteh headed both houses no MURIC shouted

But at least the president and CJN were Muslims, right? Mind you that Etteh was impeached and replaced by a Muslim

When MURIC complained about Ekiti, were your type not the ones blaming MURIC, CAN is doing the same and you are not condemning them

Yorubas on Nairaland always tell us that religion doesn't matter in the South West. It's something you guys brag about, how half of a family can be Muslims and half Christians. It can work in the South West but not Nigeria as a whole.
I never commented on the Ekiti issue cos I don't understand the religious balance there. In all the South East states, there are no top Muslim government officials cos of their very low population. Likewise, in the Core North, there aren't any Christians in top political offices except for states with large Christian population like Kaduna and a little bit of Adamawa and Bauchi.

ollah2:
Osinbajo must be a muslim. You guys are pathetic

Is Osinbajo the head of any arm of government?

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NinjaMetahuman:
mumu post
you igbo jews are the number 1 problem we have in this country with your disgusting hypocrisy.

how is muric tone different from this?
how did you know the tone? have we not had christians in all arms of government in this country? why does it always become problem for you disgusting ilks when the tide moves to muslims?

muric asked ekiti governor to allow muslims in his government, disgusting flat heads are all up in arms abusing any muslim on sight. christian said the same, this mutherfuckr is talking about tone.


seriously?

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What CAN said was valid.
If you can show me any past administration in Nigeria (civilian or military) where the President or Head of State, Senate President, Speaker and CJN (who are the heads of the 3 arms of government) were all Christians, I will give you 100k now.

I talked about the tone of their submission cos it's obvious there. They also cited parts of the constitution that talked about equitable distribution of political posts in Nigeria to reflect the diversity of the country.

I don't have any business with Ekiti State. I don't know anything about the state especially as it relates to religious politics.
In the South Eastern states, there aren't Muslims in top political positions cos their population is very minimal. In the core Northern states on the other hand, there equally aren't Christians in any of the major political positions (except for Kaduna State that has a large number of Christians).
I can't talk about Ekiti cos I don't know about the relative population of both religious groups. Also, Yorubas here on Nairaland often tell us that there isn't religious bigotry in the SW therefore there isn't anything like Yoruba Muslim or Yoruba Christian. They always boast about how in one family, half of the members can be Muslims and half, Christians. If that is the case, then it may not matter if all political leaders in Yoruba land are Muslims or they are Christians. However, that model cannot work in Nigeria as a whole cos the core North and the South East/South South are very different in terms of religious approach from the South West.

raumdeuter:
If Shagari was also a Christian and Ekwueme was also a Christian

Is not the same as Buhari Moslem Osinbajo Christian

The point is that the Northern Muslims only allowed all the other arms of government to be headed by Christians cos a Muslim was the president. That alone overshadowed all other ones headed by Christians.

Again, Nigeria was more united in 1979 than it is now. This mutual suspicion across the religious divide wasnt very strong in those days.

VP is often a 'ceremonial' position in Nigeria. Also, remember we are talking about the heads of the different arms of government.

raumdeuter:
Second Republic 1983

President Shehu Shagari Moslem
Vice Alex Ekwueme Christian
Senate President Joseph Wayas Christian
Speaker Benjamin Chacha Christian
CJN George Sodeinde Sowemimo Christian

But at least, the president (the head of the executive arm of government) was a Muslim right?
Can you imagine if Shagari was also a Christian, cos that's exactly what you guys want to do now the other way round?

Chettaburo:
do u check from 2007to2011?

2007 - 2011

President - Muslim (Yar'Adua) then Christian (Jonathan)
SP - Christian (David Mark)
Speaker - Christian (Patricia Etteh), then Muslim (Dimeji Bankole)

Mind you that CJN then was a Muslim (Idris Kutigi).

Chettaburo:
check OBJ tenure

All the Senate presidents under Obj were Christians from the South East. All the speakers were Muslims from the North West.

raumdeuter:
What did MURIC say when David Mark and Patricia Etteh were Senate president and Speakers respectively

Was it not the same CAN who openly campaigned against APC is now telling how to share positions

Who were the President and CJN in 2007?

In 2011 when a Christian became the president, he (or rather the party) chose Mulikat Akande to be Speaker but the opposition led by Tinubu sold the slot to the NW. Even at that, both Mulikat and Tambuwal are Muslims.

Chettaburo:
do u think if PDP win it will not be the same. I am sure Saraki and Dogara will still be holding their respective positions. he who know knows

Saraki (SP) - Muslim
Ekweremmadu (DSP) - Christian

Dogara (Speaker) - Christian
Lasun (Deputy Speaker) - Muslim

This is how it has been with PDP since 1999. There has never been a time that both SP and Speaker were both Christians or both Muslims, neither was there a time their deputies were of the same religion with them.
Go and make your enquiries.

NinjaMetahuman:
you wont see children of hate from hate filled region blast can now.

if it is muric now, they will all be up in arm.


religion will eventually kill nigeria.

If you read that article, considered the tone of their submission and this is all you can say, then I can boldly conclude that you're an Islamic bigot.

We all know that Nigerian Muslims can never allow a situation where all the arms of government (including both arms of the National Assembly) will be headed by Christians. Religion is a very sensitive issue in Nigeria and I hate it when people like you claim it doesn't matter because the injustice suits you.

It's better religion finally kills Nigeria cos as the country presently is, it is a dead nation. Let each region go and govern themselves as they deem fit.

demolinka:
Why can't we have all Muslims?

Would Muslims (especially MURIC) have kept silent if all the top positions were occupied by Christians?
You see, this is one of my biggest issues with APC as a party. They don't understand what equity and justice are. This could never have happened under a PDP government.
Don't force people to accept situations you can't accept if tables were turned. That's what it means to be fair and just.

Sanchez01:
Why do guys sound like this most times? In 2015, we had a Muslim President, a Muslim Senate President and I sure as hell believe Dogara isn't a Christian and the opposition cheered Saraki for nearly four years without considering the all-round Muslim factor. Religion, right now, is your headache rather than candidates that can deliver and do what is expected of them.

Some of you are in a sorry state.

Can you bet a million naira over the point in bold?

The matter is even worse now because the acting head of the judiciary is also a Muslim, so all the arms of government are going to be led by Muslims.
Will Nigerian Muslims and Muslim groups (including MURIC) have kept quiet if it was Christians occupying all those positions?

gaby:
Bala Mohammed na Governor elect?

I wonder why Shekarau didn't contest he sure would have won too.

Shekarau was a two term governor of Kano. His two tenures were sandwiched inbetween Kwankwaso's 1st and 2nd tenures ie he was governor between 2003 and 2011.
Bala won Bauchi State.

IjebuWarrior:
Hospitals in Nigeria should be given thorough evaluation and assessment before certification by the 'government' if we really have one.

How can the 'hospital' not possess the needed equipments or specialty in giving first aid treatments prior to referral?

You wonder why those Vagabonds-In-Power run away to developed nations to treat common headache.

What kind of relevant first aid do you expect they would have given to someone with severe head injury, who was probably bleeding inside the skull? Even in the developed world, such cases aren't just for any hospital. They go straight to A&E where urgent CT Scan will be done, and neurosurgeons will come and review immediately, if the victim is to stand any chance of survival.

Very sad that a teacher pushed the boy to his death just because of mango. So many unreasonable adults in Nigeria who push children to do things against their will. That in itself is child abuse.

May his soul rest in peace, and may God comfort the parents.

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