₦airaland Forum

atlwireles: That's the price we pay for wanting to belong to Nigeria. The average person in SS does not really care. They get pissed off and irritated when some take them for fools. People start calling them lazy, screaming about oil coming from God, till data came out showing they contribute the most to non oil export too. All we asked is just some level of respect.

Right.
Same way SE doesn't care too, se need suffered both regional n individual deprivation after the war, if not that we refused to give in to poverty, we would have died.
And today, sb is coming to tell me se doesn't contribute much to the FG.

atlwireles: Is this not the same case across the country? Abia and Imo are not treated any different than the states of Edo, Rivers, Akwaibom, Delta and baylesa

the true givers to the federal govt r the oil producing states period. They give without receiving much esp the imo n abia I mentioned, the rest like SW n north are the parasite here .

omololu2020: am talkin abt oluyole industrial estate in ibadan.

are we now convinced there is no industry in osun?

superstar1: .

y r u not living in osun?

Mine is that the FG will not reap where she did not sow.
Its bad enough the crude oil in abia n imo goes to the FG, that's the much they shd get till they invest sth in the east.

atlwireles: One problem the states in the SE need to fix asap, is their data collection system. Also, an aggressive move should be made to registrar all SME. This will help present a more accurate picture of their GDP and the states will be able to identify SMEs and how to levy some taxes on them.

After which what happens to the levy?

omololu2020: guy if u cant mention d name of any industry in owerri,Bleep off.......n oluyole has more industry dan enugu,imo and ebonyi state

oluyole in osun?

omololu2020: r u tellin me dat small owerri has more beta roads dan oshogbo,sit down in ur huse não keep showin us ao foolish u r by comparin imo wit a little GDP to osun,list 3 industry dat r located in owerri

That means u don't know oweeri, how can u compare the road network in osogbo to owerri?
Stop saying arbitrary tnz. list one industry in the whole of osun, not even osogbo.

omololu2020: u should also argue in line n stop shoutin brown roof n opo imo

ur brother talked abt erosion, man made

superstar1: Check the value of PAYE in comparison to total tax and you will know what i am talking about.

The middle class makes money to circulate within the economy and not the rich. The rich creates the wealth.

DO not look at the absolute figure Dangote is paying in taxes. Look at it in comparison with revenue and look at the taxes of the ordibnary people paying taxes in comparison with their revenue too. you will realise Dangote is enjoying a lot of waivers and tax holidays, that is making to pay lesser tax, thereby enriching him more.

Same waivers adenuga n otedola have, if not they would be begging at olaiya.
Adenuga is even bankrupt and in debt mess.
All of u are beggars both the rich n poor majority.

superstar1: Keep to your 2by2 inches shop businesses and let others concentrate on theirs.

u don't even have shops. u beg.

n Easterners have far more middle class than u.
osun has more low class.
u have not said the tangible ventures that are in osun that makes u think its more productive than anambra

omololu2020: mehn i wonder ao old u r,weda u lik it or not no state in d south east has a bigger GDP dan osun state,weda u lik it or not OAU has alwas been rank higher dan skuls in d south east,i can bet my moni dat,d indigene of osun residing in d whole south eastern state r not up to 2000,i want u to com to oshogbo n c ao many ur pple r.

Is oau the only school in osun and was it built by the state govt igr?
Argue in line or just read comments.

superstar1: So it is the 100 metre dash gala selling people, that have the requisite skills. i am laughing in kamikaze. The Yazidis have the requisite skills that is why they are emigrating to Kurdistan?

Bros, your land is cursed and does not have anything to offer, that is why you are emigrating to that land of prosperity, Shikena. Your best brains are in our land and our worst are in yours. Dont you understand? This is simple logic.

U see, no skills n brains.
ur GDP gov borrowed money n looted them, ur incapable people got poor.
Instead of selling gala, they are scattered all over olaiya begging.
these are able bodied men n women o. many of osun people will stop u on the way to beg for money practically.
Y not sell gala? It destitutes are with u, not us.
GDP

superstar1: I never told you politicians do not embezzle borrow funds, i told you in a simple layman's english that, it brings about accountability because the citizens will be more interested in what the govt is doing with their money.

8.4bn is the wahala of osun state people and not that of people from the land of red mud.

our spreading of biz tentacles is our business not yours.
Keep to ur lane.

superstar1: You are as clueless as your post. Are the PDP guys from the moon or are they not the same osun people? or what is this mengistu from torah borah mountain saying? The thread is not about PDP vs APC - i dont do party arguments, so waka with your PDP jargons.

I repeat, how has the poverty in Osun resulted in their emigration into your gully eroded land. That means their land is better and more prosperous than your eroded red mud, that is why theyr refuse to move into the pit you are calling a region. People migrate to where there is prosperity.

Stem the wave of emigration that is a scourge in your region and stop this human desertification you are witnessing.

And how is osun more prosperous than anambra?
When u have not even successfully competed with strangers in ur place, na to go compete for another person state u fit do?

superstar1: See this mengistu for the 2nd time.

Osogbo does not have drainage but its devoid of gully erosion. It does not have better road than enugu and owerri, but that has not stopped your able bodied men from migrating from your desolate gully ersoion of red mud land to the same osogbo.

The topic is not about opon imo. Open another thread on that and i will meet you there. The power of the people to question government was demonstrated to aregbe on the opon imo.

it was PDP that exposes the opon imo scam and not gullible osun ppl like u.
Gully erosion is a natural phenomenon but poverty isn't.
Bad roads in osun aren't.
At least, let's say eastern govs didn't work cos they didn't borrow, what did osun do with her huge debts? No tangible thing .
GDP indeed

superstar1: Have you seen people from Osogbo and iwo migrating to your region because they do not have a beautiful landscape? Think through that and give the world an answer.

I repeat, you are being penny wise and pound foolish.

yes, I have seen osun people in anambra but this is not the case here.
Ur case is that u thing the govt doesn't embezzle borrowed funds or igr, I like ur faith. 8.4b naira down the drain and u are here making noise

ChrisOD: Any major disease at all. And please leave kano out of it. Let's discuss our own problem. Much is expected of Igbos.

How many hospitals in nigeria do open heart surg?
these are the teaching Hosp of excellence in nig?
Unth, Enugu
Uch, Ibadan
Ahmadu bello, Zaria.
...soon, ubth will join.
So when u say govt Hosp, in SE one can go to, I don't know what u mean.
The state of govt Hosp in Nigeria are generally same.
Talk of private hosp

superstar1: See you, they did not get richer but they have better roads, schools, health services and infrastructure -- that translates to better quality of life and life expectancy.

Riches is not in Naira and Kobo alone. Get that straight.

Are there better roads in Osogbo than Enugu n owerri with lower debt profile?
y are u doing this to your self?
Are there better schools in osun than any state in the east?
Osogbo doesn't have drainages in most roads. And many roads are very bad .
Abeg....

Justify the opon imo rubbish too

EasternLeopard: What is development.?

How many osun people have escaped poverty and can access basic things of life.?

My friend

Development is all about people's wellbeing and not beautification of city landscape


The fastest development is achieved through people aided by their government

Pls watch this documentary

THE MEN WHO BUILT AMERICA

Also find out the asia men who built the first car ship train etc industries in asia and find out the impact they make

If I am to advise we Igbos, I will tell the govt to find means to encourage the creation, development and contributions of SE Rockefellars JP Morgan Dangotes Ibetos etc

The kyn beautiful landscape is not in osun.
From osogbo to Iwo.
The clean parts of Aba are like London to osogbo, let him keep linking indebtedness to devt, that's y I said we shdnt give in to the ideology of the swners here in this issue.

atlwireles: I have to disagree with you. The traders make enough money there, to either have enough political influence to make things happen via the state or self fund the improvement themselves. Nobody, should run any business in such an environment

I said primarily.
Don't worry, I have even said it on fb that the biz men shd build those roads and then increase the price of Aba made products.

ChrisOD: Are you suggesting that politicians don't steal IGRs?

help me out

ChrisOD: There are functional ports in Onne ( I worked in Onne for 5 years) and Port Harcourt. And even if they are non functional now, why is that so? GEJ has been president for how many years now and he cannot make the ports in his zone functional?

A River Port will do only as much as the feeding sea port allows. Onitsha River port will be fed by either Warri or other ports in ND. If those are not doing well, then Onitsha River Port would not do well too. I do not want to blame God for not giving core Igboland a seaport, but if we had ours thing would be way different.

Am not Here to talk abt gej and what he has done or not .
Am telling u the issue at stake, all fxnal ports are in Lagos, thanks to obj.
So, where are the ports in Warri to service Onitsha river port? where is onitsha port?
none.
Back to how we started.
It gotta be private driven devt n cash for now

atlwireles: Having lived in a community, where the village built its own secondary school, town hall and village clinic. Including a small village market. The traders of Ariara failed themselves, all the billions or tens of millions, they earn daily in the market, yet they lack the common humanity to improve the surroundings. This is not a failure of government, but a failure of the traders.

its primarily a failure of the govt.
Then, the traders

superstar1: We are talking reality here and not the usual tribalistic partisan talk.

If you want to travel that lane, I will gladly oblige you. Trust me.

However, Osun borrowing has greatly improved the state and even mover their IGR from a paltry 300mm to over a billion monthly.

I introduced the debt profile of US and Europe, for you to see the synergy between indebtedness and development.

and the governor used 8.4 b naira to import cheap notebooks with poor curriculum that reached UNESCO, before it was withdrawn and packaged the change .
U see y we shd be more concerned with what they do with the funds, not just figures.
Osun indigenes didn't get richer either, multiple taxation was introduced.
Abeg .....

ChrisOD: Even, the current state of Ariaria Market in Aba https://www.nairaland.com/1874739/current-state-ariaria-international-market is a classic example of how private wealth cannot do much for the collective good. Okay, why is every trader not tarring the front of their shop in that market?

I Neva said state govts shouldn't do their work.
Remember how this arguments started, private wealth shd not prevent state govt from working or the FG from investing.
Go through that thread, abagorro produced pix of other regions with the same problems.
Lagos is the most classic eg of Nigeria n flooding, y haven't the GDP conscious state plus its private investors take care of its flooding?

EasternLeopard: Pls read my post before this post

You will see an example of how community development groups and individual re- investment supported by govt can help in infrastructural development

leave that dude, let him keep talking.
he is from osun and I have not seen any remarkable thing in that state both private n public , yet, its GDP is bigger than anambra.
With enough debt profile that will wake up a dead man.
I told u that those figures have lapses.

ChrisOD: Yes I said University ranking was arguable

But those other stats you mentioned are still individual indices. And I have said that individually we are the best.

Can you readily mention one great government hospital in Igboland where someone from Lagos or Kano can come for treatment? Those are public things we are lacking.

For what diseases?
And mention the diseases that can be treated in kano which can't be treated in Enugu for eg.
What do u mean by one govt Hosp one can come for treatment?

superstar1: See this mengistu.

What is the debt profile of US and Europe?

This is the logic behind.public sector indebtedness. Pick up the indebtedness now to build infrastructure that will lead to more socio-economic activities and it will translate into higher IGR for govt and more amenities will be provided.

The infrastructure built by indebtedness will still be built by the ones that did not borrow in the nearest future, but at an higher cost. The cost would have increased because of inflation.

I repeat, penny wise pound foolish.

And u think what happens in USA occurs in Oyo state? hahahahahahaha
loots loots loots.
They loot allocations n borrow much for a cheap project.
Imagine osun with GDP got 8.4b naira and spent it on substandard tablets that have been withdrawn from schools, is that what u r talking abt? Mtchew.
U invest borrowed funds on revenue generating projects not for looting.

ChrisOD: IGR
GDP
University rankings (I know this is arguable)
GOVERNMENT-DRIVEN INFRASTRUCTURAL DEVELOPMENTS
HOSPITALS

Webometrics univ ranking? Guy, must u import every single thing to argue this?
What abt CBN stats, Common entrance stats., poverty rates that favours SE more?
The GDP and igr have been trashed severally, osun was placed ahead of anambra n abia and we have seen how osun, as economically sleeping as it is became more productive than ekwulobia or neni.
Biko, argue in line.

ChrisOD: Other than the seaport, can you really mention one FG investment in Lagos that is lacking elsewhere in Nigeria? Even, seaports are elsewhere in Nigeria too. Yet, Lagos is by miles different from any other cities in Nigeria. Yes, I agree that being a former national capital put it on the global spotlight. But it has not been the capital for several years now.

Huge population and huge private investments, not government investments, make Lagos what it is today. A good portion of those private investments are owned by us, Igbos. A good % of that huge population of Lagos are us, Igbos.

its like u don't know the economic and long term implications of siting the only 3 functional ports in one state and rendering the others useless.
What of the policies that put the embassies, high commissions and corporate headquarters of multinationals there?
Leave matter for Mathias.
Just open a river port in Onitsha or revitalize the ones in onne for regular importation , u go see how the thing go happen.

ChrisOD: Again you are right. Raising taxes and levies on the wealthy to generate IGR should be accompanied by stricter enforcement of anti-corruption measures.

Still on pop, the SE (especially cities; most villages are quite empty due to migration) is thickly populated, meaning high density in a small space. High density is not always = to high overall population

Oga, is there a way u travel for 4 hrs in the east and u won't see a settlement, have u been to the north, that's the case in many states.
Forget abt the few like jos, kano, Kaduna, fct, north is just landmass.
European countries are smaller on size than Mali, Niger republic but they have more density.
If Nigerians were wiser, they would have known that population density is more impt than anything.
They cook up figures for u and u believed them because u see ur ppl outside the east.
Go to their non capital cities too and see for themselves.
Anambra alone has populations in non capital cities, ekwulobia, Nnewi, Onitsha, obosi,; Which non capital cities in Adamawa, taraba, bsuchi, gombe, yobe, has that type of population?
Add the fact that these northerners migrate a lot too