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^^ It's that liberal American thingy you seem to champion everywhere, the live and let live, protect the women mentality is seen as "gay" around these parts ![]() The confusing part though is that when it comes to fashion, most Nigerian guys are more metrosexual than regular US Males. They might look like a Black version of Sacha Baron Cohen until they express their conservative worldviews. |
Becomrichn: Becomrichn:[size=18pt]EPIC POST!! [/size] [size=14pt]Aare Gbogbo O'dua online! Asiwaju Okunrin!! The Oranmiyan of Nairaland!!! [/size] ![]() Egbon, E ku laakaye!! ~Thank you for your profound, thought provoking analysis~ May you live long in cyberspace!!! I'm in awe!!! ![]() |
queensmith:My sister, Nigerians living abroad cannot vote in this election and it was not for lack of trying, check the links below. Nigerians abroad petitioned and pushed INEC + the PDP House of assembly to make voting possible but they REFUSED to budge, see link below; http://allafrica.com/stories/200901190612.html Nigerians abroad took the case to court and won, see link and quote below: http://trendyafrica.com/2009/02/03/house-applauds-voting-by-nigerians-in-diaspora/ A Federal High Court in Abuja on Jan. 27 ordered INEC to put in place relevant machinery to assist Nigerians to register and vote from abroad in any election without having to travel home for that purpose.Still, the PDP led house of Assembly refused to do the needful since 2009 http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/Home/5561438-146/nigerians_in_diaspora_wont_vote_in.csp Whereas, Guineans living abroad voted in their own elections. Our own Representatives only care about their $1.7million/N255,000,000/year salary they don't care about us. Do not forget, the same Nigerian-abroad is expected to travel long distances to register for new E-passports, but we can't organize common voting processes for her. The same citizens who remit billions back to the Nigerian economy every year?! @ queensmith, If you live abroad, and you send funds to folks in Naija, you can still act. Ask your relatives to register to vote before you send them that next western union control number. If you can't be in Naija, you can influence those relatives in Naija, try your best and make sure they participate, Ask them to send a pic of their voters card if possible. It's for our own good. |
For those wondering where to register in their area, the link below is a good tool. http://reclaimnaija.net/cms/electionguide/pollingunits Thanks to Nairalander "Ajali" |
^Good looking out. Thank you. |
^^ Thank you for providing the contact info, we will continue to push for answers, our people deserve the best man at these critical times. I got the link below from one of Gbawe's links If you do not know where the nearest registration centre to you is, please consult the map which can be accessed from the link below:Nairalanders and ghosting guests, Since you are already online, you can as well click that link check out your nearest location and go register to vote, take your friends and relatives with you. Our future is on our hands, your vote counts that's why they snatch ballot boxes to disenfranchise you. Help Nigeria, help yourself, register to vote if you live in Naija. Unfortunately the Yar'adua/GEJ and the PDP National assembly pissed on a Diapora-voting request/bill sponsored by Nigerians living abroad, they said they don't have enough money and time to organize a voting and registration process for Nigerians-Abroad! Although tiny Guinea did same for their own citizens living abroad! Nigerians living abroad are expected to travel to Atlanta, DC, London and other far flung cities around the world to register for the new E-passport? But it's too expensive and too hard to get them to register and vote abroad? Shine your eyes my people. Register, Vote and protect your votes! Edit: for brevity and readability |
This referee #?!#?! |
^^ That is fair enough. You are right, we don't have the candidates here and it will be misleading to pass off our own thoughts and opinions as theirs. I appreciate the sincerity. As it stands, we do not know what the three major candidate's positions are on True Federalism, restructuring, land use act, state police, and other fundamental structural reform issues. Edit: I saw your added quotes from Ribadu, I'm not satisfied because it is too vague. I will prefer if he can make more thoughful, more specific policy statements. His opinion on state police, land use act,(Nigeria's extreme version of eminent domain) full resource control, the size of the federal government and their centralized control over state laws, statues and codes, our lopsided revenue sharing formula. e.t.c |
Gbawe simply expressed one of the major reasons why I find a GEJ ticket unappealing. Like they say "Show me your friends and I'll show you your future" With OBJ, and PDP's corrupt state Governors holding strong in that party, I fail to see how GEJ can bring any change. @Gbawe, please address the issue of True federalism. You can refer back to ndu_chucks + Eziachi's questions and my own concerns on page 5. |
^ I unwittingly did your work for you shey? I must go look for a Ribadu video when I wake up. I still sympathize with ACN ![]() |
^^ Sista, Is there anything you've not done before? You must rethink your "no new friends" policy jare. I need to "roll" with you on your next trip to Naija. |
^^ LOL ok I hear you. I don do my own, for now I dey go sleep, we'll continue later. I'll let other time zones continue the discussion ![]() |
Beaf:I know Oronto Douglas, not personally, I mean through his work and rhetoric. I agree with some of your points about him, although you are too generous in your assessment, Beaf, are you Oronto? ![]() Seriously, Oronto is not GEJ. But I will take a somewhat favorable view of GEJ if Oronto truly has a substantial amount of influence over him and his policy drive, especially as it concerns True Federalism, Resource control and Democracy. The jury is still out though. [ "shine your eye" rant at Beaf personally] Beaf, How can Oronto influence policy with OBJ and his friends holding strong inside PDP? I believe you have a good Idea of Nigeria's recent political history, especially since the early 90's, the June 12 crisis, the Abacha years, the resource control struggle, the Kaiama declaration. Is he dreaming? Is GEJ delusional? are we crazy? I ask; How on earth do you expect discerning Nigerians to be satisfied with an arrangement where OBJ still wield considerable power? The same OBJ that once violently snatched the microphone from Oronto's hands at a public forum in PH, because Oronto was arguing with him about resource control and Niger Delta issues, OBJ reportedly snatched the microphone and said; "You don't know anything about injustice" he also reportedly said; "You(Niger Delta people) cannot produce anything because you are lazy. It is your laziness that is making you to make all these demands" I'm confused here, I don't understand how OBJ + Oronto can co habit together in the same PDP, I don't understand how Oronto can push an agenda through with people like OBJ wielding considerable influence over GEJ in the same party. -end of rant- Hopefully the struggle for true Federalism will not end at just additional resource control. I hope GEJ abi na Oronto understands that adding a few more percentages to 13% is not victory. Our people, all of our peoples, from North to South need total freedom from cenratalized control in every area, from Police to Education to State laws. We'll wait for more thoughts on these issues from Ribadu and Buhari supporters. Edit: folks can listen to Oronto Douglas below, or google him, If Beaf, GEJ's man on NL belives Oronto is the brain behind GEJ's ideas. I think it is necessary voters listen to him. [Audio] --> https://csis.org/multimedia/nigeria-priorities-year-ahead [about 1hr-30mins but worth it], I recommend the Audio. [flash=500,400]http://blip.tv/play/hYpBgdSlLwI[/flash] |
^^ Yes you've mentioned it before, they were mostly your thoughts though, I want evidences of GEJ's thoughts on these issues. Also, You are right, others are yet to articulate their candidate's opinion, thoughts, activities and efforts on these issues. Can you please try again for the benefit of this "sticky" thread? As far as i'm concerned it will be "eggs on their faces" if other candidates don't respond. Thousands of Nigerians are ghosting on Nairaland and on this thread. this is 2011, I'm pretty sure some real-life Ribadu and Buhari staffers are reading this too. Edited: I read your thoughts earlier, I've also read you express those several times. I want GEJ's thoughts and position. If you can't do more than presenting your own personal thoughts, I will surely understand. I just want NL's and Nigerians to be clear on that. |
Eziachi asks: Quote from: Eziach[/b]i To the three candidates and their representatives: What is your takes on this three issues?Beaf’s response [b]Quote from: Beaf I have posted arguments for the gradual move of the ship of state toward true federalism. In every federal system, the rights of communities and individuals are sacred; they are upheld and resolutely defended.ndu_chucks asked again [quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=585949.msg7538277#msg7538277 date=1295100005]The above does not do enough justice to Eziachi’s inquiry above, nor does your position on federalism address the inquiry. Your generic position is the same as that of your opponent, Ribadu or even Buhari. I do not know of any nation that practices federalism in Europe where you reside, or the USA, where individual rights to property and land is a sacred right. Each government by nature reserves the right to seize property in the name of national security or to protect the interest of the nation, the environment, and any other national interest. I do not believe that your man, GEJ believes that this property right is sacred. Granted you mentioned that these are your personal views, note that this thread is meant to be used as an avenue to inform us of your man’s views, philosophy, and other points. Now if you or your man, have any specific problem with any of the provisions of the 2 Acts mentioned by Eziachi, lets hear it. Gbawe’s comments are also welcome here. What are Ribadu’s views on these important questions?[/quote]Beaf, Gbawe and[b] Buhari supporter[/b], can you please address the issues raised by Eziachi and ndu_chucks? I will add the issue of centralization of security and judicial administration(State police, State laws) to this. Please, present and articulate their position with necessary verifiable evidences by showing us what your candidates thoughts, opinions, and positions are on these important issues? If you want to do a general presentation of their position in a way that will encapsulate all these, by all means, you can do so by presenting their position on True federalism, the devolution of police powers to the states, LG or regions, land use act and other federalism themed issues. I want concise presentations with links, verifiable evidences(speeches, experience, manifesto) or anything that can show their position and thoughts on these very important issues. Thank you guys. |
^^ We know you are smart, You are probably just dumbing it down for the cute bimbos and the clueless on here, innit? Keep doing your thing warrior! Aare is watching too. . . |
Dr finn:Thanks, Keep sharing, with pictures/images where permissible. Hopefully, NL Politics moderators will make the thread stick till the end of the process. |
Becomrichn:Egbon wa, is that the Queen of our new Bini Republic?? She's got Hawt lips! |
Becomrichn:Egbon Aare Musiwa, Your attention is needed here --> https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-586413.0.html Your people want to know if they should register to vote or not. Thank you for your anticipated response. |
^^ You are hard to please. I'll pass the message across to Aare Gbogbo Republic of Bini. |
@kalokalo you are making good points. let me just butt in one more time and make a point about the statement in quote kalokalo:Let's not cut our face to spite it, Nigerians are in no position to demand anything. Nigerians make no demands, they are at the mercy of NEPA services and whatever the lords in power do, they expect nothing. Hapless Nigerian masses are not like some liberated voters or consumers in serious societies, my grandma in the village and grandaunties at Omu-Aran have no say in what the Nigerian govt does, if Obj had privatized PHCN and NNPC he would still have won a contested third term bid if his looter friends wanted it. Nigerians have no influence over these policies, free, subsidized, commercial or private monopoly. You are giving my people too much credit. The corrupt elites and owners of Nigeria can decide on any policy they like. Nigerians do not have a say in this matter. Heavens will not fall if they privatize everything in Nigeria. It takes dedicated leadership to do these things and they've not done it either because it's not in their interests or in the interest of their sponsors and patners-in-looting. Nigerians decide nada! For those who want to cite the Lekki toll road case, it's an exception and we know why, Lekki has a high population of rich and educated Nigerians and Lagos state is a very cosmopolitan very urban area, can't even compare. Let's cut my grandma some slack. |
^^ Aare Musiwa said to go register. I spoke with him earlier. He would've loved to tell y'all himself but he's busy discussing that VP thingy with Asiwaju. |
^^ LOL, go and sleep! Your labour of love is appreciated. As Yoruba elders will say "Ti a ba se obe sinu epo epa, ti a gun Iyan sinu ewe, eni ti o ma yo a yo" ~You can't convince/satisfy everybody, some will get it, other's won't~ It's not easy to get Nigeria if you only saw her from the back of a chauffeur driven vehicle to and fro your Rich kid Nigerian boarding school, just saying. . . |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=585805.msg7535923#msg7535923 date=1295055090]Hrm. Maybe I'm very naive, then. I just feel that as long as you sell it to someone halfway competent, they'll get power up and running. It is like selling off a a piece of equipment, a tractor. Suppose the gov't sells it off to someone, gives it to them for free. Will they then take a sledgehammer to this tractor, destroying it and then selling the pieces off for scrap metal? Even the most corrupt not-so-smart person on earth will say, "Hey, I have this nice tractor I got for almost nothing. Let me sell it off for full value, or rent it out to farmers. This will maximize the profit I get out of this tractor." Maybe I don't understand Nigeria well enough, but it is hard for me to see how this outcome (or something like it) would not occur.[/quote]They don't make their money by treating those tractors well, if they crush the tractors and piss on it, it does not mean anything to them. Their financial survival is NOT dependent on the state of the tractor but on political patronages and corruption, That is the difference, That is Nigeria Unfortunately you probably think this way not because you are naive but because you are not Otedola, Adenuga, or IBB. You are also not that #$diot who won a Million dollar lottery and wasted it all in 5 years. like the cliche Chinese proverb says; Teach a man how to fish and he will never go hungry, give him fish and he will beg for more. I wanted to write a more profound quote from Engel or so, but memory failed me. Hopefully I'll remember |
ola olabiy:I can't wait for them to answer "YES" so I can give up and go to bed. |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=585805.msg7535811#msg7535811 date=1295053155]@Kilode?!: It sucks, but I don't see how it has much bearing on power generation. Like, yes, it is possible for businessman to steal from their partners. But we all know that. Does this mean we should not privatize PHCN because Mike Adenuga might/will find a way to defraud his foreign partners, for example? Like, these are two separate issues. Yes, corruption is bad. But this doesn't mean don't privatize. Or that privatization will not have a larger positive impact on the economy than tackling corruption.[/quote]I'm not against privatization. I don't care who buys PHCN or The water corporation. My point is that corruption will ensure that those companies are not sold to the right people who will see it as their chance for financial survival -Essentially real business men. YOU cannot buy on the strength of your business proposal or because of your great ideas or your wonderful finances, they don't care about all that, It has to benefit someone in government personally. I'm not talking about $100,000 in a freezer(a la Louisiana Rep Jefferson). I'm talking about profit killing benefits and patronages, Even YOU eku_bear + Goldman Sachs cannot survive it. It will go to those who can abuse the system, bribe massively, run the company aground and suffer little to no consequence because they can patronize those in Government, get another contract, another company, another oil block, run for office with no qualms, NO NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THEM AT ALL. Our massive corruption encourages all that and its killing us. |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=585805.msg7535755#msg7535755 date=1295052682]Hrm, that is sort of a different case, is it not? He has some private companies which supply goods to AP. He charges more than required for these goods. So it hurts AP slightly, but isn't a case of him destroying his own business. He is really just hurting his other partners at AP. But. . . that happens all the time, and not just in Nigeria.[/quote]You are making excuses for serious corruption cases, even within corporate Nigeria? I agree it happens everywhere, unfortunately Nigeria cannot afford it at all. We have a life expectancy rate of 45years, little to no infrastructure in a nation of 150Million people. We cannot afford "It happens everywhere" like America or even Brazil can. We need to Radically reduce it bro, emphasis on RADICALLY. |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=585805.msg7535695#msg7535695 date=1295052078]That doesn't make any sense. There is no Nigerian on the face of the earth that will destroy his own business. Even if his business is built with stolen money, he will nurture it. Please name just one guy who will destroy his own business, one that he owns 100% of.[/quote]"Big man" Femi Otedola of African Petroleum: http://www.saharareporters.com/press-release/how-femi-otedola-milked-african-petroleum-ap-clement-aviomoh also read up on the Nitel pentascope deal and their "big men" Nigerian Partners http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-246/money/nitel-pentascope-squandered-n105bn-in-20-months-according-to-ex-nitel-man Edit for links Nigerian corruption is mind boggling bro. |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=585805.msg7535599#msg7535599 date=1295051217]OK, let me ask everyone this. GEJ is president. He privatizes PHCN. You are one of his homeboys. He sells the business to you at a sweetheart price. Will you then let the business rot? So that there is no light covering the area of Nigeria your business sells to? Only a fool let's his own business rot when it instead could be making money![/quote]You will let it rot if you got it for a sweetheart deal that basically costs you nothing; Because you bought it with stolen public money. You will let it rot because you borrowed the money from a Nigerian bank and no one can prosecute your "big mans" $ss for it. You will let it rot because you can easily loot the company and flip the assets to your foreign friends who will buy if for pittance and make you the Nigerian Chairman. Nigerian corruption is absolutely incredible bro! Edit: Nigerian Bank |
[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=585805.msg7534909#msg7534909 date=1295043893]AHRGFgh That is EXACTLY the goddamn problem with Nigeria. I[b]t ISN'T THE GOVERNMENTS JOB TO PROVIDE ELECTRICITY.[/b] Why should any money be allocated? Sell it off, let whoever buys raise his own money to do it! Or do you think a buyer will then sit on the power company and refuse to let electricity flow? No, he wants to make his profit. So he will make sure electricity is running 24/7.[/quote]eku_bear I may be wrong, but you seem to have a free market oriented solution to every Nigerian problem. Free market economics cannot address all structural issues, especially Nigeria's- not saying you believe that, I just need to stress that point. Now, to your point in the bold-ed, I hope you've read about the history of the TVA(Tennessee Valley Authority) and the role that massive government project played in the development of America's Tennessee Valley region, from electricity to employment, to water, The TVA was created to jump start the development and modernization of a large region of the USA after the great depression, like NEPA, it was a Federal parastatal, it still is. Of course TVA's influence and responsibilities has been reduced since the 30s. As a matter of historical fact, President Ronald Reagan rode to political prominence on the back of his criticism of the TVA, BUT historians agree it was an effective tool for the development of America before is succumbed to governmental "bloatedness" due to it's size. NEPA never got to that stage. I blame both corruption and the political structure of Nigeria. We have no comparable Governmental project in Nigeria even on a small scale, The closest I can mention will be the efforts of Obafemi Awolowo in the Western region, with his Odu'a group and other initiatives of his Government. MORAL: while I prefer a free enterprise system, I believe Government can provide Electricity, even single-handedly drive massive economic development, but the corruption we have in Nigeria prevents it from doing so in any way at all. Now, corruption is not the only problem we have, I might actually agree it's not our main problem, but its RADICAL reduction will help us address the fundamental issues we face, from structural political changes to the delivery of effective economic development. We need leaders or a group of leaders who are not too beholden to those who currently profit from the corruption we have. Like you, I'm not excited about ACN or Ribadu and I also thoroughly despise PDP. I fail to see how GEJ can possibly act against his self interest and the interests of those who helped him to power, even Beaf failed to convince me. Ribadu on the other hand has done some commendable work in that regards, He ain't all that, but he's also shown he's not beholden to the current ruling class by ignoring their party, In my opinion, and considering the state we are in, he's worth a try. To vote for, support or even think that GEJ or PDP will tackle any of these fundamental issues is to suspend too much disbelief. I frankly cannot see the evidence. @ola_olabiy, I feel you bro, You have to live it to understand it. |
ABOKI from bauchi dropped his vote in Abia box. Wumine: dave07:SMH |
Babakenny:Why are you so eager to watch this crazy selection of people who will definitely plunge you into further darkness? just asking. |
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