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@Rossike, nice pictures, some great vista! what camera did you use?

^^ Stranger! warrior!!

Oya, add more o jare!

^^Wa sherey!!! My New Year celebration is now complete.


Congratulations!


** whistling [i]Ma Wo Mi Roro [/i]with cold pami in hand**

[quote author=Becomrich? link=topic=577873.msg7446906#msg7446906 date=1293940702]is that your picture.

I think you are new to lagos, how long have you lived in lagos. you are jjc. everything you show me. have there even before I attended the univerity expect for the picture of lekki tollgate. That how the island is. Look at this pictures.   Do you see the small of the island, which is the only thing you are showing, compare it to the size of lagos.

I can tell you the island was mostly built by britain. then the western region.

Now look at this satellite picture, what percentage of the island is lagos.  the island is just 6 % of the size of lagos. and showing me office building.

I have seen all that picture before , since I was young.   If the 6% of the island is where you can show.  and the island is bigger than abuja from satellite picture. what it means is that less than 1% of nigeria are enjoying this life you claim.

I dont want to talk about 1% of Nigeria. I want to talk about the 99% of nigeria.

rossike, the money you are claiming, i can get in one second base on the people I know in Nigeria, if you know  presidents, if you know governors, and I can tell you this I do know this people.

I am concern about the 99% of Nigeria, who can not have that better life.

I live in a society where more than 80% of population have this life, you thing is good.

I want my own society to be like that.


I have lived abroad enough to make my country have over 80% of the society live better.

The only way that can happen is to  have accurate census  figure. roissika , i have seen the satellite pictures and I have showing you people. It is not possible to make the north minority in Nigeria.

It is not possible to have accurate census figure and declear that figure without a fight.

But to make sure 80% can living that good live. if we remove edo,delta ,bayelsa and Yorubas into benin republic. in  4 years , note my name Musiwa, I can make 80% of our people live that life, base on the information I have collect living here. that why I am doing this. I can copy what they do you and make it happen in nigeria. This is what I am trying to do.  I am not into money, I am into making people life better, seeking money is for people like jonathan, atiku . I want to be remember like awo, but not for been rich, but for transforming people lifes. I want to be a man remember as the greatest african who ever lived.

You cant understand, because it since , you have never lived here before. forget it.

I am a person that believe, with God all thing are possible.
Look black people dont have to suffer, it is just lack of good leaders that why black people are suffering.
You look at Jonathan, atiku , buhari etc. there is nobody who is runnning for president that can fix your problem.

I am telling you, we can copy the white man if we remove edo,delta,bayelsa and yorubas into benin republic.  It is not possible to do it in Nigeria, because the north would never agree to accurate census figures.

The secret of the way his statistics, you cant have good statistics when one or more of the group want to commit fraud.

I can make 80% of nigerian live better. I have piece of information to do that. it is not just living your life for yourself, it is also living it for others. awo made sacrifies to make that island you are showing me the way it is.
This is how india, korea ,china are doing it, they are copying the whiteman. but they have good leaders, not barawo, ole.


There is also danger to your lifes base on your history and what would happen. I have lived in the north, you can see them blow up abuja and other places. They would die fighting till the last man.
And based on the information I have, that why i need to do this.

and I know nigeria, you can not continue to cheat people for long. And Jonathan looks like he want the system to remain the same. i see fact and go by fact. i am different from you. I am already close to be white in my thinking. I think white.[/quote]Egbon musiwa!!! Odu'a warrior!! I can bet my last 5 naira that you are saner than OBJ, GEJ and IBB combined!!

[quote author=aloy/emeka link=topic=577905.msg7446819#msg7446819 date=1293936193]The cutlasses are not marital property. Wetin dey worry you?.[/quote]Yes, but a cutlass in the hands of an angry man is an instrument of power and control, it must be shared too, Where is the love? 

Good post, but I think your point about our dependence on foreigners and foreign ideas will be best made if you use wisdom from our own concept of time

Some Yoruba-Irunmole Adage:

"Time" "Bi iro ba lo l'ogun odun, Ojo kan looto a ba" - regardless of how much time falsehood prospers, the infallible truth will catch up with it in one single day"


"Time" "Igba laso, Igba lewu, Igba loderee-koko n'Ilorin" - {meaning} Everything in it's proper time and season [even the fate of Nigeria]

I'll welcome more. . .

Moses denied threatening Adejoke’s life with a cutlass, saying that the five cutlasses in his possession belonged to his stepson, who is a land speculator.

The cutlass was shown to the court as an exhibit.

I vote to partition the room and give Adejoke three of the cutlasses, power must be shared equally!

He said: “I did not slump but was choked in the church because of heat inside the church. The air conditioners and the fans were not working properly and I had to go and stay  in   my car and put on the AC for about three minutes and I felt okay.

Pele Daani Olora, You were a military head of state, then President for another 8 years! also a political kingmaker. You failed to fix the electricity issue. You forgot you can't carry the AC in your private bedroom with you to igbotako?

Agbaya, Omugo radarada!

violent:
ah ah! Kiiiiloooodeee?. . . . .nitori olorun!

Eniyan mi, na so I see am o. Iya to n je awon eyan wa ti po ju!

^^ Those sadistic looters don't care about ordinary Nigerians, except the few that can help them loot.

That dead lady, her dead baby and the raped teenage girl will all get justice in Nazi germany before they can get it among their own people. Nigerians are serfs ruled by callous lord and masters.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=561239.msg7446218#msg7446218 date=1293920102]I no dey lie. I be omo Ekiti, we neva lie o

As if you wouldnt mind me being [b]your [/b]stalker. . . . you 'd like it, trust me. Oya post am nau [/quote]I no be Ekiti, but they are my people too.

No! I won't post it, It will make you fall, then I'll have to pay alimony

Tell DK to play the Orlandoh Owoh muzik o jare

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=561239.msg7446174#msg7446174 date=1293919295]I no trust you at all  Make sure you get on that flight too

Translation:How are you, the sexiest girl I've ever seen? Happy new year, and I love you very much
I am well. Happy new year, we shall see many more of it.[/quote]Ha! Na lie! Ileke Idi wan turn me to alimony payer!  

Mukina, That was an heavily embellished translation. Abi na mind reading ileke idi dey do?

Not rich? I will not fall for reverse psychology. I'll resist the temptation to post my account statement, let's just say it will turn you into a stalker

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=561239.msg7446107#msg7446107 date=1293918487]ROTFL
aww, sweet, trying to speak Ekiti lol

Mi a, in seun. In ku odun tuntun na, emi ria a s'opo re![/quote]Haha I no try? Ok you floored me in Ekiti. I'll try better next time

Translate for Mukina jo,

Tell Dayo to hurry up, my palmwine don dey warm, I wan dance Alanta to Orlando Owoh.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=561239.msg7446051#msg7446051 date=1293917932]Mukina, come and see derailing oh.

I want you to ban Kilode?, for being black [i]and [/i]Yoruba


I'm ecstatic to see ya face/post this year sha. Dayo, wa n bi o, wa korin fun wa![/quote]Mukina can never ban me! Awon Irunmole no go gree!

Bawo ni omoge? Hin si ku Odun titun!

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=561239.msg7445996#msg7445996 date=1293917344]Who be you? So now my brother is now a palace joker to you guys?
hehehe, how you take know? [/quote].
See this Ekiti woman, who dash u brother?

So fun Dayo ko fi Orlando Owoh sori Gramophone jare! I want to see you shake that ileke.

DK! Oya play muzik make we dance!

^^ the only guaranteed right so far is the right to join the police service, commit a crime and get away with it.

The same police folks kept a teenage girl for a month and continuosly gang ra/p/ed her at the police station in Kano. Our so called representatives are busy sharing money at the house of assembly while their police henchmen wreck havoc all over the nation. Despite the evidences, they are yet to be prosecuted. SMH

http://234next.com/csp/cms/sites/Next/News/Metro/Politics/5658165-146/police_dismiss_officers_for_month-long_rape.csp

If you left the Yoruba’s on their own, I can bet on my life that the likes of Akala, Fayose or OBJ would never had smelt power when their  best eleven are left in the cold warming the bench, but the likes of Akala is calling the shot today because of one Nigeria made it possible. If the Arewas are left on their own do you think that Buhari will have a problem winning against the likes of Atikus of this world?  When Buhari represented what majority of them believed as their values shaped by their religion?

However when you rig an election or embezzled money that belongs to your own people, there will be no Abuja to run to hide or get protection of its police force as you have to now live with your own people, who know everything about your beginning and source of your wealth, But today we honour them because they have become our representative in the looting race of Nigeria, so why persecute our own when others are doing it? Why should we care? That is why in Igbo-land, nobody dare steal any of his community’s money collected for development but it alright when its Nigerian money.

@Eziachi, great points, sensible analysis!

@babapupa, that is the spirit!

Let us keep Lagos strong and thriving for the sake of our people, same for our other cities and towns across the SW and Nigeria. As long as our leaders continue to work hard and transparently for our collective benefits, we will surely grow and develop. Good post!

Beaf:
Kwara has never been counted as a GEJ state, but he will get the required 1/4 of the vote there. . . Kwara state just opened for real politics.

It's high time Kwara joined the progressives but without the confused Saraki though.

dayokanu:
With all these bombing can someone thank OBJ for the legacy of do or die politics

Baba-Iyabo-OBJ!  hin seun o! Adupe lowo yin fun Demon-Crazy yi oo!! 

aisha2:
You want pictures abi? you re in your living room waiting to see peoples family so u can go to church to thank God that you were not involved ko? It is weell
I was calling my family to inform them not knowing that they were already affected, in d hopsital, Bodies, body parts, open legs and aroms, blood it is crazy. Goodluck grow some balls take control. People talking shouting and trading blames wont understand till it is in your living room. They just wanted fish for God sake, whats was their crime please

O ga o! So sorry, So sad. This is just beyond sickening.

kulutempa:
@kilode?i,  this is the most number of comments I have posted on Nairaland and I have to say that it has been a very stimulating and enlightening discussion.  I would however rephrase your last question slightly in this way:  when it comes to the issue of investments, particularly for infrastructure development,  do we need them more than they need us or alternatively, can we afford to tell them to eff off?  That to me is the billion dollar question.

Kulutempa, It's a great question!

Kwame Nkrumah and other African leaders asked the same in the early days of African independence. My opinion is that they did not adequately consider the answers before acting. Nigeria asked the same when we found oil, my opinion is that we often allow investors; local and foreign profiteers answer for us.

I will rephrase and ask again;

Are we going to keep on selling our people short?

Will leadership in Africa/Nigeria continue to put profit(personal and ego) before the people?

It is not a Billion dollar Question sir! It is a Billion people question. Accountability counts!

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=576642.msg7441518#msg7441518 date=1293826846]Don't be s.illy! The profit margins on these projects are enough to make them return for more, over and over and over again.  Go and ask Halliburton and others.[/quote]Yes ke!

ndu_chucks, Allow me to buttress your point with this excerpt from a Fortune Magazine interview with Ann Pickard, Shell's EVP for Africa (the lady quoted in the Wikileaks cable)

Fortune: "And while Nigeria accounts for about a 10% of Shell’s worldwide oil and gas production, the country’s contribution to Shell’s profits is much lower given the nation’s sky-high royalty rates. The Nigerian government keeps about 95% of all oil and gas profits. "Why then does Shell tough it out? In Nigeria (italics mine)


Pickard notes that there aren’t a lot of other oil-rich countries rolling out the welcome mat for Western oil companies these days.
Pickard: “When I give speeches, there’s a map I show that color-codes oil producing regions based on their openness to multi-national oil companies. Green is most open, and red is least,” Pickard says. “Well, the entire world is starting to turn red against us. I’ve got Russia turning red, Venezuela turning red, Bolivia turning red. The Middle East is almost entirely red.[/b] “Right now, Nigeria is the biggest green out there.”


Now, I've enjoyed the constructive exchanges here, it does not get more democratic than these. People complained and it seems Fashola is reacting to the complaints. I hope he'll continue to listen. like I mentioned earlier on the thread, regardless of which side you fall into, Our leaders should protect our peoples' interests! foreign investors know how to protect theirs, They are not silly!

Question is, are we?


http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/20/news/companies/birger_pickard.fortune/?postversion=2008112107

Edit: link added

@Babapupa, speaking for myself, I'm not against Toll fees, actually, I welcome them. It might interest you to know that I consider myself a Fashola fan also.

I understand your argument about our people's attitude toward paying public fees. Yes, a lot of them are neither used to Taxes/Tolls nor to paying for Government facilities. I will not argue with that.

It is up to Fashola to fine tune his strategy, convince the majority and ignore the minority dissenters, that is the reality of Politics and the price of leadership. I want to believe BRF is capable.

Good government initiated PPPs and responsive sensible public policies should not be mutually exclusive.

Fashola did well by suspending the toll. He should go ahead and address the alternate route issue and maybe renegotiate the fees with LCC. It will be a Win-Win situation for Fashola, LCC and the people of Lagos.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=576642.msg7437132#msg7437132 date=1293758319]The situation will likely change once the main road is complete, yes? Traffic should be alleviated at the alternate routes somewhat, perhaps substantially.[/quote]That is extremely optimistic. You probably can afford the luxury of such optimism but, unless you are Fashola or LCC's CEO I will take that with a pinch of salt.

Well,Houston and Lagos are incomparable because Houston has enormous amounts of infrastructure already up. Highway 6, US 59, 45, 610 loop, etc. Lagos is nowhere near those levels. And will never get to those levels unless we bring in substantial amounts of foreign capital.

Yes when it comes to infrastructure, both cities are incomparable. More reason why the citizens need to keep demanding for those infrastructures and watch their politicians like hawks.

I have no problem with Foreign capital investments as long as we do not negotiate our people out of the deal. Our chief concern should be the impact of whatever deal on the lives of our people, that is the stuff of enlightened leadership.

And yes, I'm pretty familiar with Houston, my folks live in a suburb of it.

Glad to know I was not totally mistaken.

I actually just arrived from Nigeria a few hours ago. Had a two week Christmas vacation there. I was in Ekiti for most of my time there, but spent some time in Abuja and Lagos.

Really?! The similarity to my own trip is so close it's actually scary!! I can't elaborate further, the internet constrained me.

[quote author=eku_bear link=topic=576642.msg7436931#msg7436931 date=1293753648]The website describes an alternative route:
http://www.lcc.com.ng/News/NewsContent.aspx?newsid=27

Or is this route not functional?[/quote]I drove through the new Lekki-expressway toll road in June. I drove through the "under-construction" toll gates.

Dapo, I also passed through and saw the traffic and the state of the so called "alternate routes". That was not a good alternative.

Lagos is not Texas. While this new road might look like a Sam Houston Tollway, the alternate route they have on LCC's website and the one I saw on ground is not exactly TX Beltway 8 (sorry about the Texas references I'm assuming you live there from something you posted earlier)

I will wait for those who currently use the alternate road to post current images and post their  experiences before I update my judgement. I confess I don't now what the current state is but calling what I saw in June a viable alternative is sad and disingenuous.

Note; I like the Lekki Toll project, and the quality of work I saw. It looks like a good development and the aesthetic view of the road against the backdrop of those new condos and other beautiful properties around the corridor is quite heartwarming and impressive but, that should not be an excuse for us to ignore the hardship and concerns of road users.

Dapo, You really need a trip to Nigeria as soon as you can. (I'm assuming you've not been there in a while)


This link has pic of a section of the alternate route https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-367311.160.html#msg6096623

Tsiya:
The problem is you are looking at through the lens of investors. You are not looking at it through the lens of the people that vote for the governments. Goverments are not voted to gain the trust of investors confidence. Governments are voted to serve the people. If private investors decide to invests in government projects, they should carry out risk assessment, and that should included the political repercussion and acceptance of their investment by the people. If the people refuse to pay, then it is a risk that they have to take.

This is not the kind of investment we want, if this is what will boost investors confidence and attract investors, then we don't need them. Enslaving and improsing people for 3 decades just to secure the investments of few families is not the kind of private investment we want.

Good Points. Your heart is the right place with thoughts like these.

I find it very sad that some are arguing against this suspension because they felt it will erode Investor confidence.

Are Private-Public investors not supposed to be accountable to the people?

Are businesses not supposed to be accountable to their customers too? If Walmart only cares about investors while spiting their customers they will be out of business in a New York minute.

This is essentially a public-works project. In serious democracies the people will be voting for or against a proposition or bond to decide it's fate.

Because we are in a hurry to embrace free market capitalism does not mean we should ignore accountability or totally ignore our citizens wishes -we already did that with Oil companies and it got us nowhere. I see the same parallels with these cries against Fashola's suspension of the toll.

Fashola did the right thing. He should speed up the completion of alternate routes for those who can't afford the toll before bringing it back.

Good politics and the well being of the community are as important as business investments if not more important.

Edited for clarity

@Jarus did you lock this thread or you moved it? --> https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=576548.msg7435647#msg7435647

I was having a good discussion with Egbon Wakima = Musiwa = Becomrich 1-101 and you locked it 

Open it back jo, so I can assure him I'm not an Okada rider

In case you did not read it before locking, we were discussing the Ilosiwaju of Gbogbo Yoruba