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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:01pm On Jun 15, 2020

Janosky:
Deut 6:13, Yahweh says ONLY YAHWEH YOU MUST WORSHIP ALONE.

Matt 4:10 Jesus says ONLY YAHWEH YOU MUST WORSHIP ALONE.

Rev 19:10 the Angel said to John: "WORSHIP GOD".

But These TRIUNE IDOL WORSHIPPERS (wey know pass Yahweh and his Son Jesus and God's Angels), the IDOL WORSHIPPERS say them go WORSHIP the Lamb.

Let's see what Matthew 4:10 says

"KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE.

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any MAN SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any MAN SERVE ME, him will my Father honour.

NOTE, He said ONLY the Lord your God you will serve,

He then said all the people serving Him the Father will honour them.

He didn't use the word God in that place but Father.

Because He had assumed His office as God in that verse.

He said ONLY God you have to serve, and said afterward SERVE ME.

In other words He is saying I AM THE LORD THY GOD

I have shown you how the people were only saying 'it is the voice of God'

and the man to whom they said it was killed by angel.

What about the king of Babylon?

He was at a point referred to as king of Kings.

He spent some years in the bush for giving himself the glory due God.

God said and mean it that He won't give His glory to another.

But you and your organization want to force us to believe that Jesus is another.

In John 20:28, Thomas worship Jesus and no angel stroke any of them dead as it happens in Acts 12 :22-23

"KJV:And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
23
KJV:And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Janosky, the word translated a god in acts 12:22 is the same with the one in John 1:1.

Whether human beings translated it 'a god' or 'God'

Heaven knows it means the true God!
Hence the action of the angel.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 8:44pm On Jun 15, 2020

freshboi88:
Titus 2:13while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

From the mouth Saint Paul himself

God bless you

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 6:00pm On Jun 15, 2020

In a public forum like NL, someone has the courage to post that Ghost means demon.

Ghost does not mean Spirit?

I think this is what is called dutch courage.

Trinity by Janosky: 11:54pm On Jun 05

Take it or leave it.
Ghost is a demon. No demon is holy grin grin

Bros, If it PLEASES you to believe your DELUSION.
I have no problem with that.
(Quote) (Report) (Like) (Share)

Another person also is trying to tell the public that

if you call someone son/daughter, for the fact that you don't say MY son/daughter

the person you call is definitely not your son or daughter,

Even though the Bible calls Jesus God, for the fact that it doesn't say 'our God'

that makes Him less than 'our God'.

Janosky and peacefullove, are you aware that many people are reading these posts?

Below are verses were Jesus calls someone son or daughter

*. Matthew 9:2 "KJV:And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; SON, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee

*. Mark 5: 34 "KJV:And he said unto her, DAUGHTER, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

please, somebody should explain clearly here whose son and daughter Jesus means.

I want to knowmore.

Maximus69, Janosky, peacefullove, achorlady, Johnw47, emusan, etc

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:07am On Jun 15, 2020

Maximus69:
It's so pathetic that your brain is malfunctioning Sir!
But let me assist you a bit!

LOVE~ People longing to see, eat, drink, talk and share happy moments while reading and meditating on the scriptures with one another just because they're having the same line of thought! 1Corinthians 1:10

JOY~ People moving with one accord sharing the message of hope with their neighbours, due to the inner JOY they have!

PEACE~ People who aren't divided by racial prejudice, social status, educational background or skin colour!

Now go and tell the founders of those so called churches you mentioned to stop going about with heavily armed guards if truthfully there is LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating their gathering!

Abegi from whom are their Pastors protecting themselves if not from their own members?

Maximus calm down, let's get something clear.

This your definition of LOVE, JOY and PEACE,

is it from the GB, the GO, the Bible, dictionary or your own head?

ONLY JESUS CAN GIVE TRUE AND LASTING PEACE,JOY, LOVE, etc.

It's unfortunate that they are able to manipulate you this way.

The Adeboye group has love, peace and joy within/among themselves, just as it is with the organization.

Pastors go about with guards because of kidnappers, not because of their members.

The GB enjoy the proceeds from the organization as the GO enjoy the proceeds from the church.

The organization will block you from knowing this.

I have asked myself why do all of them have G in their title.

GB, GO, GS

they all have something in common!

But, Maximus, I assure you that Jesus can deliver you from their manipulation.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 9:18am On Jun 15, 2020

freshboi88:
Y u worry urself for Janosky....my pple say fly way no dey hear word dey follow corpse enta grave. E no believe in Jesus. E no fit confess as him saviour and God. Even after Isaiah don prophesy am say an Mighty God, e still dey argue. Leave am

My brother, the thin tire me o

Health › Re: COVID-19: Enugu Confirms 22 New Cases Within 3 Days by KNOWMORE56: 8:07am On Jun 15, 2020

Mikocake:
Lilli?? How are we sure it's not common cold since rainy season has began to peak in the east?
All na scam..coronavirus in Nigeria is scam.
NB: I stay in Enugu too

Go and embrace the patients, if you don't catch coro we then know for sure, there is no covid-19 in Enugu state

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 11:54pm On Jun 14, 2020

Maximus69:
You try!

So what's the aftereffect of all these your quotations in the midst of Trinitarians when you people don't even have LOVE, JOY and PEACE in your gatherings? James 2:18-26

O maximus69, it's unfortunate that you have sold yourself to the organization through oath.

Each group have LOVE, JOY and PEACE among themselves.

The GB manipulate you to see all other groups as one.

But you can help yourself with the following:

The Catholic Church is a group of its own.

So it is with Dunamis, CAC,MOFM, DLBC, etc.

If anything happens within each group, they settle it there and continue.

This is why each of them have existed till date.

I would like you to know that even occult group do have LOVE, JOY and PEACE WITHIN themselves.

Consider what the greatest Teacher says:

EVEN SINNERS DO THE SAME

*. Luke 6: 33 "KJV:And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for SINNERS ALSO DO EVEN THE SAME.

*. Mark 3:24 "KJV:And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

So you can see that each group (whether godly or not) have love, Joy and peace WITHIN themselves.

But my Bible shows me where I can get/have true/lasting PEACE.

*. John 16:33 "KJV:These things I have spoken unto you, THAT IN ME ye MIGHT HAVE PEACE. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

the peace, Joy, etc is in Jesus.

Jesus in me and I in Jesus, I have Peace that

NO GB(Governing Body), GO(General Overseer), organization or church can take away!

*. John 15:4 "KJV:Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

If you say you have Peace, joy, etc because you are in the organization or the organization is in you,

then, the organization/GB is your Jesus!

But why will you die in your sins?

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that YE SHALL DIE in YOUR SINS: for IF YE BELIEVE not THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

Jesus can deliver you from the grip of the oath you took with them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 11:12pm On Jun 14, 2020

Maximus69:
You try!

So what's the aftereffect of all these your quotations in the midst of Trinitarians when you people don't even have LOVE, JOY and PEACE in your gatherings? James 2:18-26

O maximus69, it unfortunate that you have sold yourself to the organization through oath.

Each group have LOVE, JOY and PEACE among themselves.

The GB manipulate you to see all other groups as one.

But you can help yourself with the following:

The Catholic Church is a group of its own.

So it is with Dunamis, CAC,MOFM, DLBC, etc.

If anything happens within each group, they settle it there and continue.

This is why each of them have existed till date.

I would like you to know that even occult group do have LOVE, JOY and PEACE WITHIN themselves.

Consider what the greatest Teacher says:

EVEN SINNERS DO THE SAME

*. Luke 6: 33 "KJV:And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for SINNERS ALSO DO EVEN THE SAME.

*. Mark 3:24 "KJV:And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.

So you can

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:38pm On Jun 14, 2020

Janosky:
Acts7:59, you claim Stephen prayed to Jesus. The same Greek word (EPIKALEO) is in Acts 25:11.
Bros, do you agree that Paul prayed to Caesar?
Does Greek EPIKALEO in Acts 7:59 mean "prayer"?

Contemporary English Version, Rev 5:8
After he had taken it, the four living creatures and the 24 elders knelt down before him. Each of them had a harp and a gold bowl full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people."

You no dey diguoh (knee down, bow, prostrate) for your Elders or parents ?
Na worship you dey worship them ?
Revelations 5:10, did the 24 Elders and the Lamb (Jesus) worship the same God in heaven?
Is that God, Jesus Christ?
Bros,Rev5:14, the 24 Elders WORSHIPPED the God of the Lamb, NOT the Lamb. (Revelations 19:4, Bible truth).

Bros, Matthew 4:10 is IMMUTABLE, you hear?

Why is the truth so difficult for you to CONFESS?

Father x Son x Holy Ghost = Almighty God

One of the reasons for this increasement/multiplication is to achieve redemption for the children of men.

When redemption is completed, the increasement/multiplication will be cancelled:

*. 1 Corinthians 15:28 "KJV:And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The true God increased/multiply/extended Himself,

but His quality remains intact.

Jesus says if you don't believe that he is He

You will die in your sins.

*. John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that YE SHALL die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your SINS.

Why do you want to die in your sins, o Janosky?

*. Ezekiel 33:11 "KJV:Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for WHY WILL ye die, O house of Israel?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:12pm On Jun 14, 2020

Janosky:
Jehovah God is the God and Father of the Lamb, Jesus Christ in heaven. Rev 5:10. 3:5,12,21.

Jehovah is NOT the Lamb.

Contemporary English Version, Rev 5:8
After he had taken it, the four living creatures and the 24 elders knelt down before him. Each of them had a harp and a gold bowl full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people."

Bros, the 24 Elders knelt down to pay homage to the Lamb.
The same thing you do for your family/Town Elders or your Kabiyesi

Revelation 19:10 "KJV:And I FELL at HIS feet to WORSHIP him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: WORSHIP God: .

Revelations 19:10 the Angel's advice to John is the same advice that Janosky gives to you.
"WORSHIP GOD" not the Lamb.

John10:18 " This command I have RECEIVED from my Father" (Matthew 4:10).
The good Shepherd OBEYS the command of our Supreme Shepherd, Jehovah God.
Bros, please do the same.
Stubbornness no good when the truth is crystal clear to you.

Joshua 24:15 as for Janosky and his household, we shall continue to WORSHIP & PRAISE Jehovah, the God and Father and Shepherd of our Lord Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:3.
Hallelujah !!!!

Bros, the ball is in your court.

EPIKALEO is explained in the screenshots

Shalom and God bless.

When you see church kneel before the Son and EPIKALEO,

Do you and your organization see them as paying homage to the Son,

Or they are false Christians giving worship to the one not qualified to receive worship?

The reason I ask you to tell the public whether the Lamb is Jehovah,

You said that it's Jehovah that the 4 beasts and the 24 elders are worshipping.

But the Bible says they fell down before the lamb.

What I want you to know in Revelation 19 :10 is that angels can't receive worship.

Anytime you see a bieng ( inform of lamb, angel, human, etc) received worship successfully,

Know that the true God has just changed Himself to such a being.

The people were only saying 'it is the voice of God'

*. Acts 12: 23-24 "
KJV:And the people gave a shout, saying, IT IS THE VOICE of a GOD, and not of a man.
23
KJV:And immediately the ANGEL of the LORD SMOTE him, BECAUSE HE gave NOT God THE GLORY: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

This lead to the death of Herod.

God can never share His GLORY with another.

If He does, He had told us a lie.

you can see that the Son is receiving prayers of all the saints.

Almost all the versions agreed that the incense are the prayers of the saints.

Their prayers are directly to the Son.

The truth is 1×1×1=1

One God increased/extended/multiply Himself,

and He still remains the same.

If you are to list all the properties of one, none of the them will miss anything.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 5:31pm On Jun 14, 2020

Janosky:
Acts7:59, you claim Stephen prayed to Jesus. The same Greek word (EPIKALEO) is in Acts 25:11.
Bros, do you agree that Paul prayed to Caesar?
Does Greek EPIKALEO in Acts 7:59 mean "prayer"?

Contemporary English Version, Rev 5:8
After he had taken it, the four living creatures and the 24 elders knelt down before him. Each of them had a harp and a gold bowl full of incense, which are the prayers of God's people."

You no dey diguoh (knee down, bow, prostrate) for your Elders or parents ?
Na worship you dey worship them ?
Revelations 5:10, did the 24 Elders and the Lamb (Jesus) worship the same God in heaven?
Is that God, Jesus Christ?
Bros,Rev5:14, the 24 Elders WORSHIPPED the God of the Lamb, NOT the Lamb. (Revelations 19:4, Bible truth).

Bros, Matthew 4:10 is IMMUTABLE, you hear?

Why is the truth so difficult for you to CONFESS?

Lol, you funny die!

See your Omni-Correct NWT

*. Revelation 5 8 " When he took the scroll, the four living creatures and the 24 elders+ FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, and each one had a harp and golden bowls that were full of incense. (The incense means the prayers of the holy ones.)

please can you tell the public here clearly that:

1. Fall down/kneel down doesn't mean worship.

2. Before the lamb means before Jehovah.

3. Epikaleo means shouting at?

Moreover, what the elders do there is the same with what John does here,

*. Revelation 19:10 "KJV:And I FELL at HIS feet to WORSHIP him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

FATHER/SON IS THE SHEPHERD:

*. Psalms 23:1 "
KJV:The LORD is my SHEPHERD; I shall not want.(i.e the Father)

*. John 10:11 'KJV:I AM THE GOOD SHEPHERD: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.(i.e the Son)

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 11:57pm On Jun 13, 2020

Janosky:
Bros, your Diversionary tactics won't change the DUBIOUS KJV FRAUD of Acts 7:59......
(Bros,you dey see the Screenshots here ?)

Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 calls angels "God"/god-."
Bros,deal with it.
John 17:3,17. Jesus Christ says himself is NOT the one true God Almighty.

Luke 9:35, John 1:18, Exodus 33:20 Yahweh Says your John 1:1 claim is a FRAUD.

NWT ,Emphatic Diaglott are very correct. The Bible versions similar to NWT were done by Trinitarians who found out that your John 1:1 claim is FRAUDULENT.

One of ways to know the true God is by understanding nature/attributes

FATHER/SON ANSWERS PRAYERS:

*. Revelation 5:8 "
KJV:And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are THE PRAYERS OF SAINTS.

NOTE!
the Son, in appearance of lamb, is being WORSHIPPED by the 4 beasts and the 24 elders.

QUESTIONS:
1. ARE your organization elders greater than these elders?

2. In that same verse, can't you see that the prayers of the saints are received by the Son?

3. In Acts 7:59, you didn't understand that Stephen is praying to Jesus?

FATHER/SON IS THE LIGHT:

NOTE: Jesus was, is and shall be light.

His disciples are only light for now.

*. Psalms 27:1 "
1
KJV: THE LORD IS my LIGHT and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? (i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 21:23 "KJV:And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT thereof.(i.e the Son)

*. John8:12 "KJV:Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I AM THE LIGHT of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.(i.e the Son)

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 11:33pm On Jun 13, 2020

Janosky:
Bros, your Diversionary tactics won't change the DUBIOUS KJV FRAUD of Acts 7:59......
(Bros,you dey see the Screenshots here ?)

Hosea 12:3-4, Psalms 8:5 calls angels "God"/god-."
Bros,deal with it.
John 17:3,17. Jesus Christ says himself is NOT the one true God Almighty.

Luke 9:35, John 1:18, Exodus 33:20 Yahweh Says your John 1:1 claim is a FRAUD.

NWT ,Emphatic Diaglott are very correct. The Bible versions similar to NWT were done by Trinitarians who found out that your John 1:1 claim is FRAUDULENT.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 11:08pm On Jun 13, 2020

Janosky:

Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic are the original Bible languages existing before English Translations..
Whatever you read in English, if its different from the Greek/Hebrew/Aramaic meaning, then it is NOT GENUINE but FRAUDULENT

In Isaiah 9:6, and John 20:28 NWT agreed that the Son is the true God .

When human/angel is referred to as god, it always carries small letter g.

In religious matters, anywhere you see the big letter G, it's talking about the True God. This is a kind of law in English writing.

As it is now, the NWT have knowingly or unknowingly agreed that the Son is the true God.

This happened because the truth (which is Jesus) won't be hidden, no matter how much you try!
2544. Maximus69: Quote Post
KNOWMORE56:

Jesus is the image of the Father is not the only reason He is the true God.

Jesus is prayed to and He answers prayers.

Jesus said categorically that what ever you ask him in prayer, He will do it.

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

Only the true God answers prayers.

Stephen, the Bible says he's full of the Holy Ghost, prayed to Him.

*. Acts7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

This Stephen, after he saw Jesus, his face started shining like an angel.

*. Acts 6:15 "KJV:And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the FACE OF AN ANGEL.

Note: it took Moses 40 days and 40 nights to have this kind of face.

*. Exodus 34:29 "KJV:And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in MOSES' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his FACE SHONE while he talked with him.

what am I saying?

I'm saying Moses associated with the Father and his face shone.

Stephen associated with the Son and his face shone.

Jesus has a God that he prayed to so i'm worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped, Jesus is NOT my own God, period! smiley
2543. KNOWMORE56: Quote Post
Maximus69:

Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Jesus is the image of the Father is not the only reason He is the true God.

Jesus is prayed to and He answers prayers.

Jesus said categorically that what ever you ask him in prayer, He will do it.

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

Only the true God answers prayers.

Stephen, the Bible says he's full of the Holy Ghost, prayed to Him.

*. Acts7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

This Stephen, after he saw Jesus, his face started shining like an angel.

*. Acts 6:15 "KJV:And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the FACE OF AN ANGEL.

Note: it took Moses 40 days and 40 nights to have this kind of face.

*. Exodus 34:29 "KJV:And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in MOSES' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his FACE SHONE while he talked with him.

what am I saying?

I'm saying Moses associated with the Father and his face shone.

Stephen associated with the Son and his face shone.
2542. Maximus69: Quote Post
KNOWMORE56:

Jesus says if you (Maximus69) don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 "
KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR sins.

And one of the Prophets ask you "why will you die, o Maximus69?

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 33:11 "

The Bible says ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM and FOR HIM.

He is the possessor of ALL THINGS.

*. Colossians 1 16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and FOR HIM

*. Revelation 4:11 "KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created ALL THINGS, and FOR THY PLEASURE they are and were created.

One of you asked to know who are the sons of Jesus.

And I answered that all who are created by HIM are His sons by creation.

All who are redeemed by HIM are HIS sons by redemption.

Who shall we believe, your organization or God ?

God says He used His hands to create all things.

Isaiah 45 :12 "
KJV:I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, EVEN MY HANDS, HAVE stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

I believe that Jesus is the Christ Sir, that's why i am trying to learn more about what he taught while he was here! cheesy

My boss back then told me he build his business empire with his own hands, please does it mean that he had nobody working with him to build it?
NO!
What he meant is that the initiative comes from him!

Jesus was with God as a worker when God was creating everything, he was the one God was giving the instructions do this do that?
So try to learn instead of jumping to conclusions! smiley
2541. KNOWMORE56: Quote Post
Maximus69:

Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Jesus says if you (Janosky) don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 "
KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR sins.

Jesus Christ himself told KNOWMORE he will do WHATEVER his God and Father commands him.. John 7:16. John 14:31,
Bros, una want to change the holy Bible by fire by force

Romans 11:35-36 , Ephesians 3:14-15.
Yahweh Himself CREATED Jesus Christ.
In heaven,Jesus is still OBEYING his Father's Command

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:56pm On Jun 13, 2020

Maximus69:
Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

The meaning of the '1st born of every creature' is as follows

Jesus (God the Son) becomes all things that was created.

Any group of creatures He changed into, He becomes 1st born/Chief/oga/ principal of the group.

He abandoned His office as the true God and descended to be Chief of:

Angel, man, animal,plant, rock, water, food, light, etc.

Anytime you see something like this, it means they are using/ referring to the other of His offices.

JESUS IN HIS OFFICES
1. In His highest office; He is God (John
1:1-3; )

2. In His lower office; He's an Angel
(Joshua 5:13)

3. In His lower-than-angels office; He's a
Man/human being (Acts 2:22)

4. In His lower-than-human office; He's a
Lamb, Lion (i.e animal) John 1:29;
Revelation 7:17; 5:5

5. In His lower-than-animal office; He's a
Plant (John 15:1-2; Matthew 15:13)

6. In His lower-than-plant office; He's a
Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4; Psalms
18:31,46)

7. In His lower-than-rock office; He's a Food (John 6:33,35,48).

Colossians 1 :18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the PREEMINENCE.

Ephesians 4: 10 "KJV:He that DESCENDED is THE SAME also that ASCENDED up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)

It is in this His other offices that makes you think the creator is created.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:37pm On Jun 13, 2020

Maximus69:
Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

The meaning of the '1st born of every creature' is as follows

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:31pm On Jun 13, 2020

Maximus69:
Jesus has a God that he prayed to so i'm worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped, Jesus is NOT my own God, period!

You simply want to die in your sins.

Why?

* John 8:24 "
KJV:I said therefore unto you, that YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR SINS: for if YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

*. Ezekiel 33:11 "KJV:Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for WHY WILL YE DIE, O house of Israel?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:30pm On Jun 13, 2020

Maximus69:
Jesus has a God that he prayed to so i'm worshiping the God that Jesus worshiped, Jesus is NOT my own God, period!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 10:10pm On Jun 13, 2020

Maximus69:
I believe that Jesus is the Christ Sir, that's why i am trying to learn more about what he taught while he was here!

My boss back then told me he build his business empire with his own hands, please does it mean that he had nobody working with him to build it?
NO!
What he meant is that the initiative comes from him!

Jesus was with God as a worker when God was creating everything, he was the one God was giving the instructions do this do that?
So try to learn instead of jumping to conclusions!

The Bible says He created all things by Himself and for Himself.

Did your boss workers took possession of the things?

Another thing I want you to know is

the reason for the translation of the Bible from Hebrew/Aramaic to English, it's to help readers in English understand what it's saying.

In Isaiah 9:6, and John 20:28 NWT agreed that the Son is the true God .

When human/angel is referred to as god, it always carries small letter g.

In religious matters, anywhere you see the big letter G, it's talking about the True God. This is a kind of law in English writing.

As it is now, the NWT have knowingly or unknowingly agreed that the Son is the true God.

This happened because the truth (which is Jesus) won't be hidden, no matter how much you try!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 7:58pm On Jun 13, 2020

Maximus69:
Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Jesus is the image of the Father is not the only reason He is the true God.

Jesus is prayed to and He answers prayers.

Jesus said categorically that what ever you ask him in prayer, He will do it.

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

Only the true God answers prayers.

Stephen, the Bible says he's full of the Holy Ghost, prayed to Him.

*. Acts7:59 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

This Stephen, after he saw Jesus, his face started shining like an angel.

*. Acts 6:15 "KJV:And all that sat in the council, looking stedfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the FACE OF AN ANGEL.

Note: it took Moses 40 days and 40 nights to have this kind of face.

*. Exodus 34:29 "KJV:And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in MOSES' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his FACE SHONE while he talked with him.

what am I saying?

I'm saying Moses associated with the Father and his face shone.

Stephen associated with the Son and his face shone.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 7:12pm On Jun 13, 2020

Maximus69:
Jesus also called God "father" so if he is also one of God's children, how come he is the father again?

The Bible book of Colossians 1:15 say Jesus is the image of God just as humans were also created in God's image, first born of all creation.
So how could the first born be the father of all creatures?

Jesus says if you (Maximus69) don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sins.

John 8:24 "
KJV:I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, YE SHALL DIE IN YOUR sins.

And one of the Prophets ask you "why will you die, o Maximus69?

Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
Ezekiel 33:11 "

The Bible says ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM and FOR HIM.

He is the possessor of ALL THINGS.

*. Colossians 1 16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and FOR HIM

*. Revelation 4:11 "KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created ALL THINGS, and FOR THY PLEASURE they are and were created.

One of you asked to know who are the sons of Jesus.

And I answered that all who are created by HIM are His sons by creation.

All who are redeemed by HIM are HIS sons by redemption.

Who shall we believe, your organization or God ?

God says He used His hands to create all things.

Isaiah 45 :12 "
KJV:I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, EVEN MY HANDS, HAVE stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 8:54am On Jun 12, 2020

Janosky:
Bros, STOP USING FRAUD TO DECEIVE YOURSELF..

Acts 7:59-60 KJV FRAUD "CALLING UPON GOD" IS A FRAUD in the KJV.

It's a FRAUD peculiar to the Textus receptus manuscript used for the KJV.
Dump your FRAUD in the Dustbin.

Stephen NEVER prayed to Jesus.
The same Greek word, Greek 1941....
Acts 25:11 "Paul appealed , call upon Caesar"
Did Paul pray to Caesar?

WAYO Trinity GIBBERISH using FRAUD to support FRAUD

.

Each time I see you going for 'hebrews/greek, etc original', I know you are loss.

See what your Creator (though you deny Him) says

If you (Janosky) ask anything in His name
HE WILL DO IT.

John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO it.

That is another 'fraud' found in NWT.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 8:35am On Jun 12, 2020

Janosky:
Jesus disciples could forgive sins too.
Are they Fathers to those who received forgiveness ?

Your organization rightly said God is Father to angels because He created them

At the same time, they block you from knowing that Jesus is that God.

Unfortunately, you cannot help yourself by accepting the Holy Word that says Jesus is the Creator of ALL THINGS.

*. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

*. Colossians 1 16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created BY HIM, and FOR HIM:

Who shall we believe?

Your organization says nothing is created by Jesus or for Jesus.

But the Holy Bible says ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM.

Janosky is created by Jesus and he's Jesus' son by creation!

ALL who are redeemed BY HIM are His sons by redemption!

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 7:14am On Jun 12, 2020

Janosky:
Bros, STOP USING FRAUD TO DECEIVE YOURSELF..

Acts 7:59-60 KJV FRAUD "CALLING UPON GOD" IS A FRAUD in the KJV.

It's a FRAUD peculiar to the Textus receptus manuscript used for the KJV.
Dump your FRAUD in the Dustbin.

Stephen NEVER prayed to Jesus.
The same Greek word, Greek 1941....
Acts 25:11 "Paul appealed , call upon Caesar"
Did Paul pray to Caesar?

WAYO Trinity GIBBERISH using FRAUD to support FRAUD

.

I know everyone/everything that counters your points are FRAUD.

Even God (i.e upper case) used for Jesus in the NWT John 28:28 and Isaiah 9:6, are all FRAUD.

Some idols worshippers influence that translators.

Tell them to stop that FRAUD in the next edition of the New world translation.

The way they rendered it in John 1:1 is the best.

Are you happy now, my friend?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 6:57am On Jun 12, 2020

Janosky:
Triune pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS challenging Jesus Christ and giving all sorts of excuses for DISOBEDIENCE of Matthew 4:10. & 6:9.

Matthew 4:10 & 6:9 are "LIES", because you have ZERO connection to Jesus Christ
.

You have not been able to understand that one of the reasons your Bible (NWT) gives Jesus big G in John 20:28 it's because they are convinced that He's the true God.

Jesus says if you don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sin.

Do you want to die in your sins, Janosky?

John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that YE SHALL DIE in your sins: for IF ye BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

please accept Him now as your Lord and Savior. Armageddon is very near!

See Father's advise below

*. Psalms 2 12 "KJV: KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 6:28am On Jun 12, 2020

Janosky:
Jesus disciples could forgive sins too.
Are they Fathers to those who received forgiveness ?

The reasons Jesus is the true God is not ONLY because he can forgive sins.

But all attributes of the true God is complete in the Son and in the Holy Ghost.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 6:20am On Jun 12, 2020

Perfectbeing:
They've been made to believe that only the Watch tower society can teach the bible claiming to be the faithful and discreet slave... This is something they spoke against the Vatican which they now do... Such hypocrisy.

You are right.

We counter them to stop young believers from falling for thier lies.

Politics › Re: Sani Yekini Is Dead! Aisha Buhari's Protocol Officer Dies Of Diabetes by KNOWMORE56: 8:53am On Jun 11, 2020

daddytime:
Na too much sugar for the body oh, and when the pancreas wey dey release insulin to take push the sugar enter where e suppose go for the body get fault, the sugar go come remain for the bloodstream with no where to go.

When this matter don happen like this, the blood go come dey thick because of the excess sugar and e no go come dey fit flow well.

By this time na, the kidney go don notice say the blood don dey too thick, him na no go know say oga pancreas get small yawa, him go come automatically begin draw water from anywhere possible within the body to pump to the blood to lighten am.

Before you know wet in dey happen, who get body go begin drink water and piss like cow every minute and him piss go dey smell one kind and foam too. Him go begin dey dehydrated anyhow.

If the person no come quick check him sugar level, na so the thing go come affect him kidney and liver because those once don dey do overtime labor because of brother pancreas wey eff up.

Na so the matter be oh, so, make you dey always check your sugar level.

Diabetes na very quiet killer, e no dey make mouth.

God bless una

Wetin person go do make oga pancreas go back to e work na?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 9:09pm On Jun 10, 2020

Peacefullove:
If its not just a title, Who are his sons ?

His sons are all whose sins are forgiven because of Him that was slain from the foundation of the world .

*. Matthew 9:2 " man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; SON, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee

Note! Jesus called the man , whose sins were forgiven, son.

Are you one of His sons?

*. Revelation 13:8 "KJV:And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION of THE WORLD.

*. Revelation 5:12 "KJV:Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY is THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 8:37pm On Jun 10, 2020

Perfectbeing:
Brother Janosky should tell us if brother Stephen was wrong when he prayed to Jesus and when he called Jesus God.

He has nothing to say about it.

It seems the GB have affected their minds to accept every lie from them (GB) as the truth.

Every truth that is not from the GB are lies.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 5:04am On Jun 10, 2020

Let's see some of the qualities of the true God:
*. Creator
*. Power
*. Omniscient
*. Everlasting
*. Receiving worship
*. Judge of all
*. Love
*. Omnipresent, etc

Father/Son is the creator of all things:

*. Isaiah 45:5-7 "KJV:I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6
KJV:That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7
KJV:I FORM the light, and CREATE darkness: I make peace, and CREATE evil: I the Lord DO ALL THESE THINGS. (i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 45:12 "
KJV:I have MADE the earth, and CREATED man upon it: I, even MY HANDS, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. ( i.e the Father)

*. Jeremiah 27: 5 "KJV:I HAVE MADE the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. ( i.e the Father)

*. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing MADE that was made. ( i.e the Son)
I
*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were CREATED by him, and FOR HIMsad i.e the Son)

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, ARE ALL THINGS: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (i.e the Son)

NOTE!

1.God said He created all things with His own hands, see Isaiah 45:12

2. These things were created by Himself, for Himself.

For His own pleasure they are and were created, see Colossians 1:16, Romans 11:36 and Revelation 4:11.

For the fact that Jesus possesses all the qualities of the true God, He's the true God.

I, KNOWMORE56, believe and accept that Jesus Christ is the true God! thanks.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Witness, Did Jesus Create Jesus? by KNOWMORE56: 4:46am On Jun 10, 2020

Father/Son receives worship:

*. , Revelation 4:9-11

"KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
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KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11
KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS, and FOR THY PLEASURE they are and were created.

Note! This is Jesus being worshipped.
How do I know?

Jesus (in His office as human being) died.
His death on the cross is one of the reasons He is worthy 'to receive glory and honour and power'

I know because the last part says He created all things, and for His pleasure the things He created are and were created.

The last part is in agreement with Colossians 1: 15-16

"KJV:Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16
KJV:For by him WERE ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED by him, AND FOR HIM:

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