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Father/Son answers prayers:

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. (i.e the Son)

*. John 15:16 "KJV:Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever YE SHALL ASK of the Father in my name, HE MAY GIVE it you." (i.e the Father)

NOTE: God the Son says what ever you ask/pray for in His name HE (God the Son) will do it.

Brother Stephen prayed to Him and He answered, see Acts 7:59-60 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, RECEIVE my spirit.
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KJV:And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, LORD, LAY NOT this SIN to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

The Bible says Stephen calling upon God, he called LORD JESUS. Brother Stephen called Jesus God!

Peacefullove:
So no single Bible verse to support the bold ? You are sick.

FATHER/SON IS GOD:

*. Isaiah 46:9 "KJV:Remember the former things of old: for I AM GOD, and there is none else; I AM GOD, and there is none like me, (i.e the Father)

* Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of THE GREAT GOD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST;" (i.e the Son)

* Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:... and his name shall be called the Mighty God..."(i.e the Son)

Janosky:
Shadeyinka super glued to DELUSION

Vs11 ""the angel of Jehovah came"
MUMU man, if I said the messenger of Shadeyinka came, do I mean that the Shadeyinka is the messenger? .
Psalms 91:11 "Jehovah gives His angels a command concerning you"
That angel spoke Jehovah's words to Gideon.
Verse 14 is crystal clear but DELUSIONAL mind wants to display his MUMU....
(For example,at public Events, where a Minister reads the President's Opening Address, the News headline report's "At the Event,President OBJ said....". but it's his Minister delivering the Presidential speech at the Event )
Shade Why you MUMU like this ?

11 And the angel of Jehovah came, and sat under the [a]oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. 12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah [b]looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee? 15 And he said unto him, Oh, Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my [c]family is the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house. 16 And Jehovah said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man. 17 And he said unto him, If now I have found favor in thy sight, then show me a sign that it is thou that talkest with me. 18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I come unto thee, and bring forth my [d]present, and lay it before thee. And he said, I will tarry until thou come again.

19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid, and unleavened cakes of an ephah of meal: the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out unto him under the [e]oak, and presented it. 20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

Judges 6:11-22 is an unbroken chain of conversation between the angel of Jehovah giving Gideon a firm assurance of Jehovah's support and protection of His people, Israel.

The million dollar question is:
Who did Gideon say himself saw and had conversations with?
Vs 22. Gideon Says :

" I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

The MUMU man is here claiming that Exodus 33:20 . John 5:37. John 1:18. Psalms 91:11 are FALSE.

Bros, go and quarrel with Gideon for EXPOSURE of your MUMU

Bros, let's get something clear here.

Your group said Jesus is not the true mighty God because ' mighty God' can be human or angel;

The brother said if that is the case, the name Jehovah is ascribed to some angels and men,

Can this makes Jehovah not the true God?

That is what I am interested to know.

If angel was called Jehovah does not make the Father false God, neither the Son is a false God just because an angel was called mighty God.

Do you understand?

johnw47:
knowmore56

if you were not to delete the at the end of the user comments you have quoted
as in this post https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/22#90390467
it would be easier to see in your posts where that user finishes and you start

it would also be easier for others to quote you

Ok thanks. Correction taken.

Maximus69:
Hen nah!

Rozz is comparing your TRINITY doctrine and Jehovah's Witnesses One God, she's trying to figure out the differences and how it's benefitting adherents from both side.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "if you've found the truth here, don't listen to noisy rivers, just cross over them and continue your journey to Paradise"

Pastors in churches are telling their members "don't listen to Jehovah's Witnesses"

My guy nah the same arrangement, you're to choose where to pitch your tent Sir!

To me, this is the only Truth you have been able to present. It may be unintentionally though.

All the things YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING out that makes you feel better with your group, it's the same with the other groups and the individuals in such groups.

THINGS YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING
OUT:
*. Happy people world over:

all the people who are still with their different groups are happy with such group. If not they could have left just as some unhappy people left your group.

*. Making disciples:

All the different groups continue to increase in number.

The Catholic Church, for example, have maintained highest in number despite the attacks they have received from almost all groups, your group being their wost attackers.

*. See what people (i.e outsiders) mark your group good at, advertisement (if it is in business), evangelism (i.e religious) or campaign (i.e politics).

But the point is that, if others are not going out for evangelism/campaign/advertisement, how have they maintained their high numbers of devotees?

The truth is that they do go, but they use different methods.

TYPES OF EVANGELISM
1. Literature evangelism
2. Media evangelism(radio,tv, social
media)
3. Person to person evangelism/house to
house evangelism
4. Open field evangelism/crusade
5. Mobile evangelism/bus preaching

Definitely, each group uses one of the above.

Truely speaking:
MY GUY NAH THE SAME ARRANGEMENT, you're TO choose WHERE to pitch your tent Sir! [/quote]*. Each group has bad/good people; Wise/unwise people;etc

*. Only God knows the numbers of people who are right with him in each group!
Take it or leave it.

Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that.

This landed him in trouble. Let's see:

*. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

*. Numbers 20:8,12 "
KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink

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KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

The Bible says kiss the Son

*. Psalms 2:12 "KJV: KISS the SON, lest HE be ANGRY, and ye PERISH from THE WAY, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him

Note: kiss, accept, embrace, worship, respect the Son, if not you won't be a true Christian.

' the way' means the body of Christ or the church. Example

* Acts 9:2 ":And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of THIS WAY, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

*. Acts 19:9 "JV:But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of THAT WAY before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

*. Acts 19:23 "KJV:And the same time there arose no small stir about THAT WAY.

Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that.

This landed him in trouble. Let's see:

*. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

*. Numbers 20:8,12 "
KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink

12
KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

The Bible says kiss the Son
*.

[quote author=Maximus69 post=90359905]Eventually all the angels in heaven had God's qualities except those who rebelled and we're expelled from heaven!


No servant of God worshipped Jesus in the Bible, they must obey him as Jehovah's representative in our midst, that's the import of his name "Emmanuel" (God is in our midst)




The phrase "every knee must bow" applies ONLY to obedient people Sir, that's why Jesus himself said "those who refuses to accept me as King over them, i will exterminte" {Luke 19:27} certainly if every living being have bowed (obeyed) Jesus then what is the essence of destroying anyone? John 3:16-18

So it wasn't about WORSHIPING Jesus Sir, it's about obeying Jehovah's representative in our midst! John 3:17-18

God bless you!

Jesus has many offices, He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere.

His followers understood/understand this His ability to change to anything, anyhow and anywhere.

Once they (His followers) see Him, they worship Him not minding the office He uses. Example, Revelation 4:9-11"KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
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KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
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KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Note! This is Jesus being worshipped.
How do I know?

Jesus (in His office as human being) died.
His death on the cross is one of the reasons He is worthy 'to receive glory and honour and power'

I know because the last part says He created all things, and for His pleasure the things He created are and were created.

The last part is in agreement with Colossians 1: 15-16

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He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere to fulfill a goal.

The writters of the Book (The Bible) understood this and they used it perfectly.


For example, Acts 2 :22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Note: it says God approved Jesus. The writter here is looking at Jesus in His office as human being

Anytime you see something like this, just know that they are referring to the other offices.

Another writter called Him GOD:

* Acts 7:59 "KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit

*.

*. JESUS in heaven still appearing in form of lesser creature (a Lamb) Revelation 7 :17, although He's the creator. Revelation

4:11 'KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: FOR THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

John 1:3 "3
KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1 : 16 "KJV:For by HIM WERE ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM:

NOTE: the things created are by Himself and for Himself. Jesus is the only true God!

Maximus69:
Jehovah is the personal name of the most powerful person in the universe! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

But he always see whoever disregard his representative as if such a person is doing so directly to him!

Humans often know that when we see any government official discharging his/her duty, we will call him/her Buhari, because any disregard for such an official is like a slap on the face of our President. Buhari will never take it lightly with whoever disregard any of those discharging their duties!

In the same manner, whenever Jehovah sends a spirit (angel) to represent him, his name is upon that spirit {Mark 1:24} any angel that is carrying out Jehovah's order is like acting in Jehovah's place! Exodus 3:2-6

So as we know that Buhari is the man from Katsina that was voted into the office of the President in the year 2015, whenever you see a uniformed personnel anywhere in Nigeria discharging his duty, know today that such a person is Buhari, and whatever you say or do against such an individual will be taken up not by the individual but by Buhari whom the person is REPRESENTING. Yet Buhari remains the first man in Aso rock!

What I understand about the Father and son is as follows; using the same Buhari:

If you or anyone else goes to bank or other places, and you point at the below and ask 'who is that' or who is this?



See what the Bible says "KJV:Who is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15)

Hebrews 1:3 "
KJV:Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

NOTE: Jesus is the picture of the Father. But unfortunately, Buhari picture/image has not the ability to talk

Father's Image perform perfectly

That's why when one of His disciples said to Him, you have been talking about the Father, please show us the Father

He, without apologies, said I the Father have been so long with you and you have not known me, Philip?

John 14:8-9 "KJV:Philip saith unto him, Lord, SHOW US THE FATHER, and it sufficeth us.
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN so LONG time WITH YOU, and yet hast thou NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

JESUS IS in the Father and vice versa, this is the true God!

Peacefullove:
There is ONE GOD, The Father . 1Cor 8:5,6

Not Jesus . you still refuse to learn

Referring to the other offices, either as a Priest or the Prophet (Hebrews4:14

"KJV:Seeing then that we have A GREAT HIGH PRIEST, that is passed into the heavens, JESUS the SON of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Peacefullove:
And Christ is a property of someone . I know you dont know. 1 Corinthians 3:23 Christ BELONG TO GOD ( His Father )

So you need to cool down.

Anytime you see something like this, it means they are using/ referring to the other of His offices.

JESUS IN HIS OFFICES
1. In His highest office; He is God (John
1:1-3; )

2. In His lower office; He's an Angel
(Joshua 5:13)

3. In His lower-than-angels office; He's a
Man/human being (Acts 2:22)

4. In His lower-than-human office; He's a
Lamb, Lion (i.e animal) John 1:29;
Revelation 7:17; 5:5

5. In His lower-than-animal office; He's a
Plant (John 15:1-2; Matthew 15:13)

6. In His lower-than-plant office; He's a
Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4; Psalms
18:31,46)

7. In His lower-than-rock office; He's a Food (John 6:33,35,48).

Colossians 1 :18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the PREEMINENCE.

Ephesians 4: 10 "KJV:He that DESCENDED is THE SAME also that ASCENDED up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)

Stephen prayed to God Jesus: Acts 7: 59

"KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit.

*. Jesus is living things and nonliving things

Lamb, Lion, Man; Rock, Light

Revelation 7 :17 "KJV:For the LAMB which is in the MIDST of the THRONE shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes

Note that the LAMB is right in the center of the Throne. Oh my God!

Jesus is Lord; Jesus Christ is Jehovah! the Son

*. Jesus is the highest and the lowest
Colossians 1: 18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS he might have the PREEMINENCE.


Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST is ALL, and IN ALL

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No quality of the true God that is not found in Jesus, that is the summary of everything I'm posting about Trinity.

Both angels and human beings worship this Jesus. And nothing can be done about this.

Even those arguing about it here will finally worship Him, according to the Bible

Philippians2 : 10 "KJV:That at the name of Jesus every knee should BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

shadeyinka:
Thanks Bro and stay blessed!

Note:
Most of your quotes are not appearing because of wrong formatting. Always start your writeup with a paragraph (it will certainly clear up some of the issues)

Ok, thanks

enesis 18:1-10 you can see names like 'the men', the LORD (i.e Jehovah, the cherish personal name of God according to the JWs) is used for other beings (especially men and Angels).
So this makes Jehovah no more the true Jehovah. Ok, I remember your password "it's a FRAUD to put Jehovah for men and Angels"

No be me put am, I see am definitely
The being/beings is/are called Jehovah, your organization valued name.

Janosky:
John 5:37. John 6:46 why would a so called believer in Christ argue against Jesus Christ & claim Jesus is lying?
Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, why would kNOWMORE claim that Jehovah is lying?

Bros Judges 6:11-22 whom did Gideon see ?
Judges 13-2-22, whom did Manoah and his wife see ?
Genesis 18:1-10 = Hebrews 13:2.


Hebrew EL (God ) is a title for man , Jehovah, Angels and Jesus.
The screenshot is very self explanatory
KNOWMORE one track mind no wan leave Trinity DELUSION.

What I'm saying is that, just as EL(God) was/is used for man, Jehovah, Angels and Jesus,
The title Jehovah was/is used for man, Jehovah, Angels and Jesus in Genesis 18:1-10.
So, if the point you are trying to prove is that ' because God is used for other beings, Jesus is not the true God if it is used for Him'

In Genesis 18:1-10 you can see names like 'the men', the LORD (i.e Jehovah, the cherish personal name

12. Father/Son answers prayers:

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. (i.e the Son)

*. John 15:16 "KJV:Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever YE SHALL ASK of the Father in my name, HE MAY GIVE it you." (i.e the Father)

NOTE: God the Son says what ever you ask/pray for in His name HE (God the Son) will do it.

Brother Stephen prayed to Him and He answered, see Acts 7:59-60 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, RECEIVE my spirit.
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KJV:And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, LORD, LAY NOT this SIN to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

The Bible says Stephen calling upon God, he called LORD JESUS. Brother Stephen called Jesus God!

1×1×1=1. That is, Father multiply by Son x Holy Ghost = Almighty One.

Note: multiply means increased, i.e Father increased the Son, increased the Holy Ghost equal to Almighty One.

From this example (1×1×1=1), no description given to the first one (1) that is lacking in the rest.

There is no single quality found in the Father that is not found in the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Take it or leave it.

[quote author=Janosky post=90355410]Bros have you ever read and study Judges 6:11-22 and Judges 13:2-22?
If you understand Judges 6:11-22 and Judges 13:2-22, you would understand Genesis 18:1-10.
Remember this:
"No man has seen God at anytime", John1:18.
"My Father, You have neither seen his shape nor heard his voice" John 5:37. Exodus 33:20.

In Genesis 18:1-10 the Angels is a messenger representing Jehovah.

John 14:9-10, John 7:16, Matt10:40. John 17:18 Jesus Christ is saying himself is a Messenger of his God and Father.
If RECEIVE the Messenger, you have RECEIVED the One who sent the Messenger.
But Una TWIST am to something else.

Conclusion:
Jehovah is not an ANGEL.
Judges 6:11-22 and Judges 13:2-22 is not rocket science.
Shalom




"Jehovah is not an angel" but
An angel is Jehovah.
Is that what you are saying?

[quote author=shadeyinka post=90278633]I REPEAT:
There is not one scripture that calls an Angel- God(the creator). If there is, is the Angel Micheal or Gabriel?
But trust the JWs brains that has been reduced to the level of a toddler with low IQ, they forget that using their same argument, Man is also God(the creator)! SMH!

I have been watching you all dance about like satans first born who thought he won a jackpot for his father.

Since the truth is adverse to you, let me point it out to you.

1. The scripture cannot lie nor can it be broken.
2. The Bible, For the same Personality Jacob fought with, called this being
i. A Man
Gen 32:24: "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day."
ii. the Angel
Hos 12:4: "Yes, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication to him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spoke with us;"
iii. God
Gen 32:28,30: "And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed. … And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

3. Even Toddlers in Sunday school know that this is only true (as the bible cannot contradict itself) if God assumes the form of an Angel or a Man. Man cannot assume the form of an Angel nor God and neither can an Angel be God (the Creator).

This is seen here with Abraham
Gen 18:1-2:
"And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,"

Gen 18:16-17:
"And the men rose up from there, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;"

Gen 18:22:
"And the men turned their faces from there, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD ."

Gen 19:1:
"And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;"

4. As far as JWs are concerned,
Angels are called God but they forget that the converse (God being called an Angel) is more true.

Of course, No Man has seen God (as God) except God distills Himself in a lower form suitable for the sight of man.

"And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the middle of the bush , and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."
Exo 33:20,23:
"And he said, You can not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. … And I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."

JWs cannot understand it. If Moses didn't see God's face but he saw only Gods back, what has he seen and the meaning of this?

Exodus 33:11
So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he would return to the camp, but his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tabernacle.

Yes, no man can see God (in His Glory) and live.
1Jn 4:12:
"No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us."

Yet God has made Himself visible to men in times past but not in His Glory as God.
(People like Maximus do not understand this).

Back to the issue of an Angel being God. You can go worship angels if you want. But do you as JW agree according to how you interpret the scriptures that JWs have three Gods
i. the Almighty God
ii. the Angel
iii. a Man

The bone of contention again:
If we cannot dicipher between three likely Gods of the Almighty God, Angel who is God and a Human being who is God, then you have the most confused English translation of the scriptures in the whole universe.


If the Angel is God, is the Angel also Man?
conversely
If the Man is God, is the Man also Angel?

Cc:
Rozz
Maximus
TATIME
Janosky


May the Almighty continue to increase His knowledge in you, IJN.

[quote author=Timalt post=90257482]More bark and no bite.

Before we forget or allow you distort what you really said, here it is and I quot noe



You claimed it was all allegations and that there is zero proof the allegations were genuine. I called your bluff and exposed that wicked lie of yours. I showed overwhelming evidence that there are child molesters in your organization.
I even provided links and screenshots of prosecuted ones, some were elders.

I also never referred to the Australian royal commission as a court. There you go lying through your teeth again. This is what I said and I quote


The report and the videos from the Australian royal commission was an enquiry into a documented 1006 confirmed child abuse cases that was never reported to the Authorities. Imagine a whooping 1006 cases over a period of long period of time within the Jehovah witness organization.

Of course your religion has made policy reforms especially since the early 2000s and especially in 2019 as a result of the negative press it has received and the pressure mounted on it by civil rights organizations.
For an organization that claims to be led by God's spirit to have to make positive policy reforms to protect children because of pressure from "Satans world" is revealing. One would expect that a religion that constantly boasts of being directed by holy spirit to blaze the trail in providing child protective policies, but no. "Satans organizations" had to tell you the right thing to do.

For example November 1 1995 Watchtower said this
What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

Imagine, telling a child abuse victim to confront the accused. Imagine how traumatic it would be for a sexually abused victim to confront her or his abuser. So disgusting!

It had to take "Satans world" to make them do the right thing. To scrap such twisted application of scripture. Now the abused is no longer asked to confront their abusers. For an organization that boasts of God's wisdom and direction, it definitely didn't show wisdom with such policies.

Finally, go and report yourself to the elders my brother. Don't let a guilty conscience make you bitter. I didn't make the rules. Please go and meet the elders for help. Armageddon is just around the corner o.

Thank you :


Funny @ Armageddon is just around the corner o.

[quote author=Peacefullove post=90255259]Rozz, Can you see this fellow dont know anything, as young as you are , Its was a basic knowledge that Who Jacob fought with was an Angel, But see the gibberish Shadeyinka is vomitting @ colored ? I told u all his initial gra gra na empty Noise.

Shadeyinka , Here is the prove that the man is an angel.


Hosea 12:3,4
In the womb he grasped his brother’s heel;
as a man he struggled with God.
4 He struggled with the angel and overcame him;

The Angel is called God . capital letter.

Shadeyinka , over to you


The Angel is called Jehovah in Genesis 18:1-10. Do JWs agree ?

. Father/Son name is great:

*. Jeremiah 10 : 6"Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and THY NAME IS GREAT in might.(i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 45:23-24
KJV:I HAVE SWORN BY MYSELF, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, THAT UNTO ME EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, every tongue shall swear.(i.e the Father)
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KJV:Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and ALL THAT ARE INCENSED AGAINST HIM SHALL BE ASHAMED. ( And I said AMEN!)

*. Philippians2 :10"KJV: THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;(i.e the Son)

*. Mark 16: 17"KJV:And these signs shall follow them that believe; IN MY NAME SHALL THEY CAST OUT DEVILS; they shall speak with new tongues;(Halleluiah!)

NOTE: the Father sworn that:

1. His glory He won't give to another, see Isaiah 48:11'KJV:
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY unto ANOTHER.

2. To his name every knee shall bow

Hebrews 6:13
KJV:For when God made promise to Abraham, BECAUSE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO GREATER, he sware by HIMSELF,

3. God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18"KJV:That by two immutable things, in which IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:Isaiah 45 23-24 "

11. Father/Son name is great:

*. Jeremiah 10 : 6"Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O Lord; thou art great, and THY NAME IS GREAT in might.(i.e the Father)
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KJV:Surely, shall one say, in the Lord have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and ALL THAT ARE INCENSED AGAINST HIM SHALL BE ASHAMED. ( And I said AMEN!)

*. Philippians2 :10"KJV: THAT AT THE NAME OF JESUS EVERY KNEE SHOULD BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;(i.e the Son)

*. Mark 16: 17"KJV:And these signs shall follow them that believe; IN MY NAME SHALL THEY CAST OUT DEVILS; they shall speak with new tongues;(Halleluiah!)

NOTE: the Father sworn that:

1. His glory He won't give to another, see Isaiah 48:11'KJV:
For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY unto ANOTHER.

2. To his name every knee shall bow

Hebrews 6:13
KJV:For when God made promise to Abraham, BECAUSE HE COULD SWEAR BY NO GREATER, he sware by HIMSELF,

3. God cannot lie
Hebrews 6:18"KJV:That by two immutable things, in which IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO LIE, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

sonmvayina:
This are the claims... I want proofs and explanation

What proofs and explanations were given to you about your date of birth before you accepted it to be true?

To us, believers in Jesus Christ, the summary of all proofs is the birth,death, burial, Resurrection and the return of the Master Jesus Christ.

Accept him as your Lord and savior

Human beings think the things we read from the Bible are impossible to happen in this generation, but the most high God is showing that everything is possible. If you want to escape, accept Jesus as the Son of God.

Acts 8:37"KJV:And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I BELIEVE THAT JESUS CHRIST IS THE SON OF GOD.
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KJV:And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him

Righteousness89:
Last Week was Flood.. This week Locust..

The KING of Kings is Passing A Huge Message..

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


We need to Fear GOD and Submit to His ways..

Like Wale Adenuga Production says " We are Nothing but Pencils in the Hands of GOD"

The World is being Grounded...

Everything we can see or Touch is going...

All the Palaces, Edifice, Automobiles, Architectural wonders, etc just Name it! Everything is Going.....

Just Last week Michigan in the USA witnessed the Flood they have not seen in 500 years.

And some of us are seeing all these Happenings and we do not see Reasons to Humble ourselves before GOD and Accept JESUS CHRIST.

GOD IS Merciful, Gracious and Loving..

But HE is also a Consuning Fire.

The Bible says " IT is a Fearful thing to fall into the Hands of The Living GOD.

The only Solution is for We all to Submit to Him and Accept JESUS CHRIST.irrespective of Nation, Continent, Religion, Race, tribe .

Don't be Deceived or Feel Comfortable with their so called Peace and Unity.

There is No Peace without THE PRINCE OF PEACE, JESUS CHRIST..





As for My Brothers and Sisters who will Quote to insult me as usual, pls insult me but don't Joke with the Message!

Insult me but Accept JESUS...


I know some of you who pour insults on me will be Saved and Accept JESUS one way or the Other by the Mercy of GOD. When we meet on the streets of Gold in Heaven , you will come to Appreciate me For bringing you the Truth.

I Love you All

Brother can you see how reality scares them to frustration! The Lord will bless you and keep you.

[quote author=Emmaomotob post=89983703]I learned that they are sweet I seriously think that this guy has mental problem(s). Why do you always derail threads? Does this look like religion section to you? Are you the only one that has what he believes in? Animal.

This guy has not said anything that worth insult.

You people are afraid of the reality that everything that the Bible says will be fulfilled.

Repent! You guys say no. Ah!

NOTE: as the setting/composition of the triune God is, Father x son x holy Spirit = one God forever, Father will not call the Son "my father"; the Son will not call the Father "my son"; or the Holy Ghost doing contrary, no.

But, if any of His creatures, from angels to creeping things, should call either of Them 'my father' or 'my God'; no sin is committed by such creature.

Jesus is called everlasting Father in Isaiah 9:6 "
KJV:For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.

In John 14:8-9, Jesus categorically said He is the Father:

" Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, Have I (THE FATHER) been so long time with you, and yet hast THOU not KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?