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Janosky:
Bros, STOP USING FRAUD TO DECEIVE YOURSELF..

Acts 7:59-60 KJV FRAUD "CALLING UPON GOD" IS A FRAUD in the KJV.

It's a FRAUD peculiar to the Textus receptus manuscript used for the KJV.
Dump your FRAUD in the Dustbin.

Stephen NEVER prayed to Jesus.
The same Greek word, Greek 1941....
Acts 25:11 "Paul appealed , call upon Caesar"
Did Paul pray to Caesar?

WAYO Trinity GIBBERISH using FRAUD to support FRAUD

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I know everyone/everything that counters your points are FRAUD.

Even God (i.e upper case) used for Jesus in the NWT John 28:28 and Isaiah 9:6, are all FRAUD.

Some idols worshippers influence that translators.

Tell them to stop that FRAUD in the next edition of the New world translation.

The way they rendered it in John 1:1 is the best.

Are you happy now, my friend?

Janosky:
Triune pagan deity IDOL WORSHIPPERS challenging Jesus Christ and giving all sorts of excuses for DISOBEDIENCE of Matthew 4:10. & 6:9.

Matthew 4:10 & 6:9 are "LIES", because you have ZERO connection to Jesus Christ
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You have not been able to understand that one of the reasons your Bible (NWT) gives Jesus big G in John 20:28 it's because they are convinced that He's the true God.

Jesus says if you don't believe that he is He, you will die in your sin.

Do you want to die in your sins, Janosky?

John 8:24 "KJV:I said therefore unto you, that YE SHALL DIE in your sins: for IF ye BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

please accept Him now as your Lord and Savior. Armageddon is very near!

See Father's advise below

*. Psalms 2 12 "KJV: KISS THE SON, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Janosky:
Jesus disciples could forgive sins too.
Are they Fathers to those who received forgiveness ?

The reasons Jesus is the true God is not ONLY because he can forgive sins.

But all attributes of the true God is complete in the Son and in the Holy Ghost.

Perfectbeing:
They've been made to believe that only the Watch tower society can teach the bible claiming to be the faithful and discreet slave... This is something they spoke against the Vatican which they now do... Such hypocrisy.

You are right.

We counter them to stop young believers from falling for thier lies.

daddytime:
Na too much sugar for the body oh, and when the pancreas wey dey release insulin to take push the sugar enter where e suppose go for the body get fault, the sugar go come remain for the bloodstream with no where to go.

When this matter don happen like this, the blood go come dey thick because of the excess sugar and e no go come dey fit flow well.

By this time na, the kidney go don notice say the blood don dey too thick, him na no go know say oga pancreas get small yawa, him go come automatically begin draw water from anywhere possible within the body to pump to the blood to lighten am.

Before you know wet in dey happen, who get body go begin drink water and piss like cow every minute and him piss go dey smell one kind and foam too. Him go begin dey dehydrated anyhow.

If the person no come quick check him sugar level, na so the thing go come affect him kidney and liver because those once don dey do overtime labor because of brother pancreas wey eff up.

Na so the matter be oh, so, make you dey always check your sugar level.

Diabetes na very quiet killer, e no dey make mouth.

God bless una

Wetin person go do make oga pancreas go back to e work na?

Peacefullove:
If its not just a title, Who are his sons ?

His sons are all whose sins are forgiven because of Him that was slain from the foundation of the world .

*. Matthew 9:2 " man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; SON, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee


Note! Jesus called the man , whose sins were forgiven, son.


Are you one of His sons?

*. Revelation 13:8 "KJV:And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION of THE WORLD.

*. Revelation 5:12 "KJV:Saying with a loud voice, WORTHY is THE LAMB THAT WAS SLAIN to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Perfectbeing:
Brother Janosky should tell us if brother Stephen was wrong when he prayed to Jesus and when he called Jesus God.

He has nothing to say about it.

It seems the GB have affected their minds to accept every lie from them (GB) as the truth.

Every truth that is not from the GB are lies.

Let's see some of the qualities of the true God:
*. Creator
*. Power
*. Omniscient
*. Everlasting
*. Receiving worship
*. Judge of all
*. Love
*. Omnipresent, etc

Father/Son is the creator of all things:

*. Isaiah 45:5-7 "KJV:I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
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KJV:That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
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KJV:I FORM the light, and CREATE darkness: I make peace, and CREATE evil: I the Lord DO ALL THESE THINGS. (i.e the Father)


*. Isaiah 45:12 "
KJV:I have MADE the earth, and CREATED man upon it: I, even MY HANDS, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. ( i.e the Father)

*. Jeremiah 27: 5 "KJV:I HAVE MADE the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. ( i.e the Father)

*. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing MADE that was made. ( i.e the Son)
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*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were CREATED by him, and FOR HIMsad i.e the Son)

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, ARE ALL THINGS: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (i.e the Son)

NOTE!

1.God said He created all things with His own hands, see Isaiah 45:12


2. These things were created by Himself, for Himself.

For His own pleasure they are and were created, see Colossians 1:16, Romans 11:36 and Revelation 4:11.

For the fact that Jesus possesses all the qualities of the true God, He's the true God.

I, KNOWMORE56, believe and accept that Jesus Christ is the true God! thanks.

Father/Son receives worship:

*. , Revelation 4:9-11

"KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
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KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11
KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS, and FOR THY PLEASURE they are and were created.

Note! This is Jesus being worshipped.
How do I know?

Jesus (in His office as human being) died.
His death on the cross is one of the reasons He is worthy 'to receive glory and honour and power'

I know because the last part says He created all things, and for His pleasure the things He created are and were created.

The last part is in agreement with Colossians 1: 15-16

"KJV:Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
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KJV:For by him WERE ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED by him, AND FOR HIM:

Father/Son answers prayers:

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. (i.e the Son)

*. John 15:16 "KJV:Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever YE SHALL ASK of the Father in my name, HE MAY GIVE it you." (i.e the Father)

NOTE: God the Son says what ever you ask/pray for in His name HE (God the Son) will do it.

Brother Stephen prayed to Him and He answered, see Acts 7:59-60 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, RECEIVE my spirit.
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KJV:And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, LORD, LAY NOT this SIN to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

The Bible says Stephen calling upon God, he called LORD JESUS. Brother Stephen called Jesus God!

Peacefullove:
So no single Bible verse to support the bold ? You are sick.

FATHER/SON IS GOD:

*. Isaiah 46:9 "KJV:Remember the former things of old: for I AM GOD, and there is none else; I AM GOD, and there is none like me, (i.e the Father)

* Titus 2:13 "Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of THE GREAT GOD and SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST;" (i.e the Son)

* Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given:... and his name shall be called the Mighty God..."(i.e the Son)

Janosky:
Shadeyinka super glued to DELUSION

Vs11 ""the angel of Jehovah came"
MUMU man, if I said the messenger of Shadeyinka came, do I mean that the Shadeyinka is the messenger? .
Psalms 91:11 "Jehovah gives His angels a command concerning you"
That angel spoke Jehovah's words to Gideon.
Verse 14 is crystal clear but DELUSIONAL mind wants to display his MUMU....
(For example,at public Events, where a Minister reads the President's Opening Address, the News headline report's "At the Event,President OBJ said....". but it's his Minister delivering the Presidential speech at the Event )
Shade Why you MUMU like this ?

11 And the angel of Jehovah came, and sat under the [a]oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. 12 And the angel of Jehovah appeared unto him, and said unto him, Jehovah is with thee, thou mighty man of valor. 13 And Gideon said unto him, Oh, my lord, if Jehovah is with us, why then is all this befallen us? and where are all his wondrous works which our fathers told us of, saying, Did not Jehovah bring us up from Egypt? but now Jehovah hath cast us off, and delivered us into the hand of Midian. 14 And Jehovah [b]looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and save Israel from the hand of Midian: have not I sent thee? 15 And he said unto him, Oh, Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my [c]family is the poorest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house. 16 And Jehovah said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man. 17 And he said unto him, If now I have found favor in thy sight, then show me a sign that it is thou that talkest with me. 18 Depart not hence, I pray thee, until I come unto thee, and bring forth my [d]present, and lay it before thee. And he said, I will tarry until thou come again.

19 And Gideon went in, and made ready a kid, and unleavened cakes of an ephah of meal: the flesh he put in a basket, and he put the broth in a pot, and brought it out unto him under the [e]oak, and presented it. 20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. 21 Then the angel of Jehovah put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there went up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and the angel of Jehovah departed out of his sight. 22 And Gideon saw that he was the angel of Jehovah; and Gideon said, Alas, O Lord Jehovah! forasmuch as I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

Judges 6:11-22 is an unbroken chain of conversation between the angel of Jehovah giving Gideon a firm assurance of Jehovah's support and protection of His people, Israel.

The million dollar question is:
Who did Gideon say himself saw and had conversations with?
Vs 22. Gideon Says :

" I have seen the angel of Jehovah face to face."

The MUMU man is here claiming that Exodus 33:20 . John 5:37. John 1:18. Psalms 91:11 are FALSE.

Bros, go and quarrel with Gideon for EXPOSURE of your MUMU

Bros, let's get something clear here.

Your group said Jesus is not the true mighty God because ' mighty God' can be human or angel;

The brother said if that is the case, the name Jehovah is ascribed to some angels and men,

Can this makes Jehovah not the true God?

That is what I am interested to know.

If angel was called Jehovah does not make the Father false God, neither the Son is a false God just because an angel was called mighty God.

Do you understand?

johnw47:
knowmore56

if you were not to delete the at the end of the user comments you have quoted
as in this post https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/22#90390467
it would be easier to see in your posts where that user finishes and you start

it would also be easier for others to quote you

Ok thanks. Correction taken.

Maximus69:
Hen nah!

Rozz is comparing your TRINITY doctrine and Jehovah's Witnesses One God, she's trying to figure out the differences and how it's benefitting adherents from both side.

Jehovah's Witnesses are saying "if you've found the truth here, don't listen to noisy rivers, just cross over them and continue your journey to Paradise"

Pastors in churches are telling their members "don't listen to Jehovah's Witnesses"

My guy nah the same arrangement, you're to choose where to pitch your tent Sir!

To me, this is the only Truth you have been able to present. It may be unintentionally though.

All the things YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING out that makes you feel better with your group, it's the same with the other groups and the individuals in such groups.

THINGS YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING
OUT:
*. Happy people world over:

all the people who are still with their different groups are happy with such group. If not they could have left just as some unhappy people left your group.

*. Making disciples:

All the different groups continue to increase in number.

The Catholic Church, for example, have maintained highest in number despite the attacks they have received from almost all groups, your group being their wost attackers.

*. See what people (i.e outsiders) mark your group good at, advertisement (if it is in business), evangelism (i.e religious) or campaign (i.e politics).

But the point is that, if others are not going out for evangelism/campaign/advertisement, how have they maintained their high numbers of devotees?

The truth is that they do go, but they use different methods.

TYPES OF EVANGELISM
1. Literature evangelism
2. Media evangelism(radio,tv, social
media)
3. Person to person evangelism/house to
house evangelism
4. Open field evangelism/crusade
5. Mobile evangelism/bus preaching

Definitely, each group uses one of the above.

Truely speaking:
MY GUY NAH THE SAME ARRANGEMENT, you're TO choose WHERE to pitch your tent Sir! [/quote]*. Each group has bad/good people; Wise/unwise people;etc

*. Only God knows the numbers of people who are right with him in each group!
Take it or leave it.

Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that.

This landed him in trouble. Let's see:

*. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

*. Numbers 20:8,12 "
KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink

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KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

The Bible says kiss the Son

*. Psalms 2:12 "KJV: KISS the SON, lest HE be ANGRY, and ye PERISH from THE WAY, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him

Note: kiss, accept, embrace, worship, respect the Son, if not you won't be a true Christian.

' the way' means the body of Christ or the church. Example

* Acts 9:2 ":And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of THIS WAY, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

*. Acts 19:9 "JV:But when divers were hardened, and believed not, but spake evil of THAT WAY before the multitude, he departed from them, and separated the disciples, disputing daily in the school of one Tyrannus.

*. Acts 19:23 "KJV:And the same time there arose no small stir about THAT WAY.

Jesus in the old testament used His lower office as Rock. Unfortunately, the leader of the people didn't realize that.

This landed him in trouble. Let's see:

*. 1 Corinthians 10: 4 "4
KJV:And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and THAT ROCK WAS CHRIST.

*. Numbers 20:8,12 "
KJV:Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou, and Aaron thy brother, and SPEAK ye UNTO the ROCK before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock: so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink

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KJV:And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

The Bible says kiss the Son
*.

[quote author=Maximus69 post=90359905]Eventually all the angels in heaven had God's qualities except those who rebelled and we're expelled from heaven!


No servant of God worshipped Jesus in the Bible, they must obey him as Jehovah's representative in our midst, that's the import of his name "Emmanuel" (God is in our midst)




The phrase "every knee must bow" applies ONLY to obedient people Sir, that's why Jesus himself said "those who refuses to accept me as King over them, i will exterminte" {Luke 19:27} certainly if every living being have bowed (obeyed) Jesus then what is the essence of destroying anyone? John 3:16-18

So it wasn't about WORSHIPING Jesus Sir, it's about obeying Jehovah's representative in our midst! John 3:17-18

God bless you!

Jesus has many offices, He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere.

His followers understood/understand this His ability to change to anything, anyhow and anywhere.

Once they (His followers) see Him, they worship Him not minding the office He uses. Example, Revelation 4:9-11"KJV:And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10
KJV:The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11
KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Note! This is Jesus being worshipped.
How do I know?

Jesus (in His office as human being) died.
His death on the cross is one of the reasons He is worthy 'to receive glory and honour and power'

I know because the last part says He created all things, and for His pleasure the things He created are and were created.

The last part is in agreement with Colossians 1: 15-16

"

He can use any of the offices at anytime and anywhere to fulfill a goal.

The writters of the Book (The Bible) understood this and they used it perfectly.


For example, Acts 2 :22 "KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Note: it says God approved Jesus. The writter here is looking at Jesus in His office as human being

Anytime you see something like this, just know that they are referring to the other offices.

Another writter called Him GOD:

* Acts 7:59 "KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit

*.

*. JESUS in heaven still appearing in form of lesser creature (a Lamb) Revelation 7 :17, although He's the creator. Revelation

4:11 'KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: FOR THOU HAST CREATED ALL THINGS, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

John 1:3 "3
KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1 : 16 "KJV:For by HIM WERE ALL THINGS created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS WERE CREATED BY HIM, AND FOR HIM:

NOTE: the things created are by Himself and for Himself. Jesus is the only true God!

Maximus69:
Jehovah is the personal name of the most powerful person in the universe! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

But he always see whoever disregard his representative as if such a person is doing so directly to him!

Humans often know that when we see any government official discharging his/her duty, we will call him/her Buhari, because any disregard for such an official is like a slap on the face of our President. Buhari will never take it lightly with whoever disregard any of those discharging their duties!

In the same manner, whenever Jehovah sends a spirit (angel) to represent him, his name is upon that spirit {Mark 1:24} any angel that is carrying out Jehovah's order is like acting in Jehovah's place! Exodus 3:2-6

So as we know that Buhari is the man from Katsina that was voted into the office of the President in the year 2015, whenever you see a uniformed personnel anywhere in Nigeria discharging his duty, know today that such a person is Buhari, and whatever you say or do against such an individual will be taken up not by the individual but by Buhari whom the person is REPRESENTING. Yet Buhari remains the first man in Aso rock!

What I understand about the Father and son is as follows; using the same Buhari:

If you or anyone else goes to bank or other places, and you point at the below and ask 'who is that' or who is this?



See what the Bible says "KJV:Who is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:" (Colossians 1:15)

Hebrews 1:3 "
KJV:Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

NOTE: Jesus is the picture of the Father. But unfortunately, Buhari picture/image has not the ability to talk

Father's Image perform perfectly

That's why when one of His disciples said to Him, you have been talking about the Father, please show us the Father

He, without apologies, said I the Father have been so long with you and you have not known me, Philip?

John 14:8-9 "KJV:Philip saith unto him, Lord, SHOW US THE FATHER, and it sufficeth us.
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KJV:Jesus saith unto him, HAVE I BEEN so LONG time WITH YOU, and yet hast thou NOT KNOWN ME, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

JESUS IS in the Father and vice versa, this is the true God!

Peacefullove:
There is ONE GOD, The Father . 1Cor 8:5,6

Not Jesus . you still refuse to learn

Referring to the other offices, either as a Priest or the Prophet (Hebrews4:14

"KJV:Seeing then that we have A GREAT HIGH PRIEST, that is passed into the heavens, JESUS the SON of God, let us hold fast our profession.

Peacefullove:
And Christ is a property of someone . I know you dont know. 1 Corinthians 3:23 Christ BELONG TO GOD ( His Father )

So you need to cool down.

Anytime you see something like this, it means they are using/ referring to the other of His offices.

JESUS IN HIS OFFICES
1. In His highest office; He is God (John
1:1-3; )

2. In His lower office; He's an Angel
(Joshua 5:13)

3. In His lower-than-angels office; He's a
Man/human being (Acts 2:22)

4. In His lower-than-human office; He's a
Lamb, Lion (i.e animal) John 1:29;
Revelation 7:17; 5:5

5. In His lower-than-animal office; He's a
Plant (John 15:1-2; Matthew 15:13)

6. In His lower-than-plant office; He's a
Rock (1 Corinthians 10:4; Psalms
18:31,46)

7. In His lower-than-rock office; He's a Food (John 6:33,35,48).

Colossians 1 :18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the PREEMINENCE.

Ephesians 4: 10 "KJV:He that DESCENDED is THE SAME also that ASCENDED up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL THINGS.)

Stephen prayed to God Jesus: Acts 7: 59

"KJV:And they stoned STEPHEN, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit.

*. Jesus is living things and nonliving things

Lamb, Lion, Man; Rock, Light

Revelation 7 :17 "KJV:For the LAMB which is in the MIDST of the THRONE shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes

Note that the LAMB is right in the center of the Throne. Oh my God!

Jesus is Lord; Jesus Christ is Jehovah! the Son

*. Jesus is the highest and the lowest
Colossians 1: 18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT in ALL THINGS he might have the PREEMINENCE.


Colossians 3:11 "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST is ALL, and IN ALL

.

No quality of the true God that is not found in Jesus, that is the summary of everything I'm posting about Trinity.

Both angels and human beings worship this Jesus. And nothing can be done about this.

Even those arguing about it here will finally worship Him, according to the Bible

Philippians2 : 10 "KJV:That at the name of Jesus every knee should BOW, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

shadeyinka:
Thanks Bro and stay blessed!

Note:
Most of your quotes are not appearing because of wrong formatting. Always start your writeup with a paragraph (it will certainly clear up some of the issues)

Ok, thanks

enesis 18:1-10 you can see names like 'the men', the LORD (i.e Jehovah, the cherish personal name of God according to the JWs) is used for other beings (especially men and Angels).
So this makes Jehovah no more the true Jehovah. Ok, I remember your password "it's a FRAUD to put Jehovah for men and Angels"

No be me put am, I see am definitely
The being/beings is/are called Jehovah, your organization valued name.

Janosky:
John 5:37. John 6:46 why would a so called believer in Christ argue against Jesus Christ & claim Jesus is lying?
Exodus 33:20, John 1:18, why would kNOWMORE claim that Jehovah is lying?

Bros Judges 6:11-22 whom did Gideon see ?
Judges 13-2-22, whom did Manoah and his wife see ?
Genesis 18:1-10 = Hebrews 13:2.


Hebrew EL (God ) is a title for man , Jehovah, Angels and Jesus.
The screenshot is very self explanatory
KNOWMORE one track mind no wan leave Trinity DELUSION.

What I'm saying is that, just as EL(God) was/is used for man, Jehovah, Angels and Jesus,
The title Jehovah was/is used for man, Jehovah, Angels and Jesus in Genesis 18:1-10.
So, if the point you are trying to prove is that ' because God is used for other beings, Jesus is not the true God if it is used for Him'

In Genesis 18:1-10 you can see names like 'the men', the LORD (i.e Jehovah, the cherish personal name

12. Father/Son answers prayers:

*. John 14:14 "KJV:If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I WILL DO IT. (i.e the Son)

*. John 15:16 "KJV:Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever YE SHALL ASK of the Father in my name, HE MAY GIVE it you." (i.e the Father)

NOTE: God the Son says what ever you ask/pray for in His name HE (God the Son) will do it.

Brother Stephen prayed to Him and He answered, see Acts 7:59-60 "KJV:And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, RECEIVE my spirit.
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KJV:And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, LORD, LAY NOT this SIN to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

The Bible says Stephen calling upon God, he called LORD JESUS. Brother Stephen called Jesus God!

1×1×1=1. That is, Father multiply by Son x Holy Ghost = Almighty One.

Note: multiply means increased, i.e Father increased the Son, increased the Holy Ghost equal to Almighty One.

From this example (1×1×1=1), no description given to the first one (1) that is lacking in the rest.

There is no single quality found in the Father that is not found in the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Take it or leave it.

[quote author=Janosky post=90355410]Bros have you ever read and study Judges 6:11-22 and Judges 13:2-22?
If you understand Judges 6:11-22 and Judges 13:2-22, you would understand Genesis 18:1-10.
Remember this:
"No man has seen God at anytime", John1:18.
"My Father, You have neither seen his shape nor heard his voice" John 5:37. Exodus 33:20.

In Genesis 18:1-10 the Angels is a messenger representing Jehovah.

John 14:9-10, John 7:16, Matt10:40. John 17:18 Jesus Christ is saying himself is a Messenger of his God and Father.
If RECEIVE the Messenger, you have RECEIVED the One who sent the Messenger.
But Una TWIST am to something else.

Conclusion:
Jehovah is not an ANGEL.
Judges 6:11-22 and Judges 13:2-22 is not rocket science.
Shalom




"Jehovah is not an angel" but
An angel is Jehovah.
Is that what you are saying?

[quote author=shadeyinka post=90278633]I REPEAT:
There is not one scripture that calls an Angel- God(the creator). If there is, is the Angel Micheal or Gabriel?
But trust the JWs brains that has been reduced to the level of a toddler with low IQ, they forget that using their same argument, Man is also God(the creator)! SMH!

I have been watching you all dance about like satans first born who thought he won a jackpot for his father.

Since the truth is adverse to you, let me point it out to you.

1. The scripture cannot lie nor can it be broken.
2. The Bible, For the same Personality Jacob fought with, called this being
i. A Man
Gen 32:24: "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day."
ii. the Angel
Hos 12:4: "Yes, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication to him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spoke with us;"
iii. God
Gen 32:28,30: "And he said, Your name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince have you power with God and with men, and have prevailed. … And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."

3. Even Toddlers in Sunday school know that this is only true (as the bible cannot contradict itself) if God assumes the form of an Angel or a Man. Man cannot assume the form of an Angel nor God and neither can an Angel be God (the Creator).

This is seen here with Abraham
Gen 18:1-2:
"And the LORD appeared to him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, see, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,"

Gen 18:16-17:
"And the men rose up from there, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;"

Gen 18:22:
"And the men turned their faces from there, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD ."

Gen 19:1:
"And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;"

4. As far as JWs are concerned,
Angels are called God but they forget that the converse (God being called an Angel) is more true.

Of course, No Man has seen God (as God) except God distills Himself in a lower form suitable for the sight of man.

"And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the middle of the bush , and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."
Exo 33:20,23:
"And he said, You can not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. … And I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."

JWs cannot understand it. If Moses didn't see God's face but he saw only Gods back, what has he seen and the meaning of this?

Exodus 33:11
So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend. And he would return to the camp, but his servant Joshua the son of Nun, a young man, did not depart from the tabernacle.

Yes, no man can see God (in His Glory) and live.
1Jn 4:12:
"No man has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwells in us, and his love is perfected in us."

Yet God has made Himself visible to men in times past but not in His Glory as God.
(People like Maximus do not understand this).

Back to the issue of an Angel being God. You can go worship angels if you want. But do you as JW agree according to how you interpret the scriptures that JWs have three Gods
i. the Almighty God
ii. the Angel
iii. a Man

The bone of contention again:
If we cannot dicipher between three likely Gods of the Almighty God, Angel who is God and a Human being who is God, then you have the most confused English translation of the scriptures in the whole universe.


If the Angel is God, is the Angel also Man?
conversely
If the Man is God, is the Man also Angel?

Cc:
Rozz
Maximus
TATIME
Janosky


May the Almighty continue to increase His knowledge in you, IJN.