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Janosky:
Go and beg your Trinity friend,KNOWMORE56 to explain to you the PROOF Jesus Christ is the angel of Yahweh ( Joshua 5:13-14. 2Thes1:7-9.Is Jesus leading his Father's army, the Sons of his Father? Yes. >

Let us apply DrLiveLogic claims,thus:
DrLiveLogic was hidden in the loins (bosom/body) of his Father. When DrLiveLogic was born, he is the Father who born him...
(Compare Rev 3:5,12 and John 20:17, either Jesus Lied or DrLiveLogic is a LIAR. )
Issorite .

Let's address DrLiveLogic FRAUD of Hebrews 2:14, (it is actually Hebrews 2:16, not 2:14).

"Because without doubt he took not on him the nature of angels" FRAUD in the KJV. ;

Please examine the Screenshots thoroughly and CONFIRM the dummy he is selling to gullible sheeples..
WAYO DrLiveLogic

The summary of his posts is that Jesus is the true God.

And the summary of my posts is that Jesus is the true God.

As you see that all the places you took cover have been perforated by his fiery bullet (i.e the truth), you now turn in to me.

Moreover, I have never said Jesus is ANGEL MICHAEL.

Many times JWs cause two posters who agreed on the same topic to start arguing against themselves over non-essential.

. FATHER/SON HAS AGAPE LOVE:

*. John 3:16 "KJV:For GOD SO LOVED the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(i.e the Father)

*. Romans 5:8 "KJV:But God commendeth HIS LOVE toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.(i.e the Father)

*. Romans 8:35 "KJV:Who shall separate us from THE LOVE OF CHRIST? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword?(i.e the Son)

*. Galatians 2:20 "

KJV:I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, WHO LOVED ME, and gave himself for me.(i.e the Son)



JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD!

achorladey:
KNOWMORE56: All the different groups continue to increase in number

Achorladey: Love this part of your post because JWs love using population growth to indicate God's BLESSINGS.

In reality if that is part of the standard they use in knowing WORSHIP and RELIGION acceptable to God then they really have some catching up to do .

I hope the person that post was meant for take heed.

The guy is just confused and he tried to encourage himself by praising his organization. I think this makes him feel at home.

Rozz:
I will always listen to JW people because of what they represent,though I'm not a jw and i still don't accept some of their doctrines especially on blood transfusion.What did jesus meant in mathew 26:39,john 5:26 and john 5:30 and so many others .Clearly Jesus was always referring to his father.Lets not be blinded by who and what church we attend,its good to study the Bible with God's guidance and with an open mind.Twisting and wrong explanation of verses to suit our own belief or pastors belief is bad. One thing I've been able to always figure out is that point at which most verses are being twisted and misinterpreted here.May God guide us right.You all are very intelligent I must confess.Thanks everyone as I go very low from now henceforth .

*. Proverbs 16:2 "KJV:All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the Lord weigheth the spirits.

NIV:All a person’s ways seem pure to them, but motives are weighed by the Lord.

God is wiser than human beings. I'm happy with the way He allows all groups to exist.


One of the reasons you see many Bible users groups (i.e churches) is because of ' I DON'T ACCEPT SOME OF THEIR DOCTRINES '

They pick doctrines from this group and another doctrines from another group;
a new group is formed.

What I'm saying is that you can start a new group. This your group will accept all the doctrines of JWs except blood transfusion.

Having gotten the kind of combination of doctrines you want. Use it to serve your God with:

All your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength:

*. Deuteronomy 6:5 "
KJV:And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with ALL THINE HEART, and with ALL THY SOUL, and with ALL THY MIGHT.

*. Mark 12:30 "
Believe me, you canKJV:And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with ALL THY HEART, and with ALL THY SOUL, and with ALL THY MIND, and with ALL THY STRENGTH: this is the first commandment. win some people over.

Maximus69:
Just because the scriptures say the word (Jesus) was God and that Jesus and the father are one, Trinitarians just concluded that Jesus is Jehovah!

Everything else should be trashed.

But for centuries now there's nothing virtuous that has come out of TRINITY, rather it's divisions, arguments, abuses, insults, curses even killing one another in the name of TRINITY!

My guy nah the same arrangement, you're to choose where to pitch your tent Sir! cheesy


To me, this is the only Truth you have been able to present. It may be unintentionally though.

All the things YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING out that makes you feel better with your group, it's the same with the other groups and the individuals in such groups.

THINGS YOU HAVE BEEN POINTING
OUT:
*. Happy people world over:

all the people who are still with their different groups are happy with such group. If not they could have left just as some unhappy people left your group.

*. Making disciples:

All the different groups continue to increase in number.

The Catholic Church, for example, have maintained highest in number despite the attacks they have received from almost all groups, your group being their wost attackers.

*. See what people (i.e outsiders) mark your group good at, advertisement (if it is in business), evangelism (i.e religious) or campaign (i.e politics).

But the point is that, if others are not going out for evangelism/campaign/advertisement, how have they maintained their high numbers of devotees?

The truth is that they do go, but they use different methods.

TYPES OF EVANGELISM
1. Literature evangelism
2. Media evangelism(radio,tv, social
media)
3. Person to person evangelism/house to
house evangelism
4. Open field evangelism/crusade
5. Mobile evangelism/bus preaching

Definitely, each group uses one of the above.

Truely speaking:
MY GUY NAH THE SAME ARRANGEMENT, you're TO choose WHERE to pitch your tent Sir! cheesy[/quote]*. Each group has bad/good people; Wise/unwise people;etc

*. Only God knows the numbers of people who are right with him in each group!
Take it or leave it.

Janosky:
Contemporary English Version
Eternal life is to know you, the only true God, and to know Jesus Christ, the one you sent"


John 17:3, what you wrote up there, is that what Jesus Christ is saying to you?

John 5:37, Jesus Christ himself REFUTES KNOWMORE56 claims..


Bros, Just 2 SOLID EVIDENCES from Jesus Christ
Bros, please quantirinu to provide PROOF that you do not know Jesus Christ , neither do you know his only true God and Father.

I have told you before let's take it step by step so that you won't complain my post is too long.

Below are some points I have raised more than a week and you have not responded to any.

1. If someone wants to know you Jehovah,
what are the features to consider?

2. What Thomas, Stephen and Angels did/doing is what I'm doing.

Are they idol worshippers?

Or is Jesus an idol?

Let me stop here for now.

If you can stop evading questions, I promise to make known my own understanding of the points you are raising.

So, can we start?

Janosky:
Bros, your post too long, abeg ..

Does your son have your features?
If yes,
Is your Son, KNOWMORE56 ?
If I give to your Son what is EXCLUSIVELY yours, how would you feel ?

You made reference to Revelation 5:8. Let's see why your claim "Jesus IS NOT ANOTHER", Jesus is God himself ' is unscriptural....


Everybody knows Jesus Christ is the Lamb in Revelations...

6Then I saw a Lamb who appeared to have been slain, standing in the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which represent the seven Spiritsa of God sent out into all the earth. 7And He came and took the scroll from the right hand of the One seated on the throne.

My Questions, for Verse 6&7,
Bros, Who gave the scroll to the Lamb?
Who is the One seated on the throne ?


8When He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp, and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9And they sang a new song:

“Worthy are You to take the scroll and open its seals,

because You were slain,

and by Your blood You purchased for God

those from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.

10You have made them to be a kingdom

and priests to serve our God,

and they will reign upon the earth.”

Questions for Verse 9 & 10, is the Lamb "our God"?
"Who is "our God"?

The Lamb Exalted

11Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels and living creatures and elders encircling the throne, and their number was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands. 12In a loud voice they were saying:

“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,

to receive power and riches

and wisdom and strength

and honor and glory and blessing!”

13And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To Him who sits on the throne

and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power

forever and ever"

Questions on Verse 13..
Bros, who is Him who sits on the throne"?

Bros, Who exalted the Lamb?


Bros, in John 12:26, is Strong's Greek 1247 meaning worship?
Person wey minister for Church dey worship the church?

Shalom

'YOUR POST TOO LONG' is it an excuse to evade my questions?

Give me the characteristics/features/attributes/properties of the ONLY TRUE Jehovah GOD you are talking about. Simple!

Now to your agitations;

1. KNOWMORE is a human being, his son is a human being.

His son being a human can take/answer the name KNOWMORE without contradiction!

There's nothing EXCLUSIVELY in name answering. Only occultic organization teaches that.

2. The Lamb is at the CENTER of the throne. This Throne here is the most high throne.

The Cherubim and Seraphim and the Elders surrounded It,

the 7 spirit of God is also there upon Him(Jesus).

What else are you looking for to make you understand that this is the true God?

3. I have posted severally that Jesus is the true God, He only chooses any OFFICES He wants at ANYTIME, and ANYWHERE.

DappaD:
Note that when the Bible says that all things are subjected to Jesus, it does not include God as well!

1Corinthians 15:22-28:

“For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive. But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet.  And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him.  But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.”

Take careful note of the bolded. Jehovah God exalted Jesus Christ above every other name. But that did not include God's name! Jesus Christ has a Superior! And that person is Jehovah God.

I always see reason Jesus is the true God in all your quotations.

'IN THE CHRIST ALL WILL BE MADE ALIVE'

One of the attributes of the ONLY TRUE GOD is that He gives life.

Jesus give life to ALL, no exception.

If you ask JWs "Jesus or Jehovah, who gives you life?"...

Let one of them answers,...

That 1 Corinthians 15: 22-28 explanation is as follows:

The only Creator of all things EXTENDED Himself in order to carry out the work of redemption.

That He extended/multiplied/increased Himself does not make Him lesser in any way.

It's a law that if one (1) increases itself it remains the same. Example

1×1×1=1.

There is nothing, as in the features/characteristics, that you will give to the 1st one (1) that is not in the rest.

The statement 'THEN THE SON HIMSELF WILL ALSO SUBJECT HIMSELF TO THE ONE WHO SUBJECTED ALL THINGS TO HIM, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL THINGS TO everyone.”
Simply means after redemption of the children of men is completed the extension will be cancelled!

When the Bible says THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL, It uses the same words for the Son:

*. Colossians 3 :11 "KJV:Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but CHRIST IS ALL, AND IN ALL.

So from the example above, you may give positions to them in order to show difference,

The truth is that one is one. After the equal sign (=) it is still 1(one), THE ALMIGHTY ONE!

hoopernikao:
JUST A REMINDER: I am yet to have response to my two questions for the past 3-4 weeks. Please admit or answer.
1. Mention just one person in church history (1st/2nd century) after the last Apostle that preached Jesus is Angel.
2. Show me a text that said Jesus is Angel. Please dont forget because i will add one more in this post.

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Now to answer you

You know many times i have wondered whether you read post at all before commenting. If you did, there are things you wont be putting in your reply. You need to develop the attitude of reading others well before commenting.


Now read this again, i will give you summary of what i wrote.

When you say Jesus, Son and then say again that he cant be God, it is either you arent reading what you are typing. Jesus is a name of a man not a name of a God, Son implies there is a Father. Hence, the statement should let you know that that referred to Christ humanity not divinity, hence he is subjected to flesh. Jesus regularlyy called himself "son of man". That is a man.

Hence,
He worshiped, God dont worship God
He has a Father
He is submissive even unto death. God dont die.

So, it is lack of knowledge to be asking if Jesus worship, or referred to God as Father. Be bold in understanding. God became man, means he is man, ma, man. Hope that help you. So, stop asking questions of Christ humanity to judge his divinity.

The word became FLESH that is JESUS (John 1:14). The flesh is what is called Jesus. He has to be born as man to take up the name. Hence,the son, is as related to human.

God wont dwell with man as God, Emmanuel means God with us. With us mean, God with us in the Flesh, that is Jesus. So, the revelation of the Son is in his humanity not in his divinity.

Christ means anointed one, God cannot be anointed, it takes man, flesh to be anointed. hence Jesus Christ mean, a man anointed, not a God anointed.

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So, how will this help you.

Whenever you see Jesus call the father, call God, worship God, that is to affirm his humanity. Man was created to worship God. God doesn't worship God or himself. God became man (Jesus) for your sake hence, he (Jesus, man) has a FatherGod because Christ now mean God in flesh hence, he must have a beginning, a birth, a growing up (God dont grow up), he was tired, he cried, he slept, God dont. So, you see man in Jesus. Those are realities of humanities. The reason he has to be man is for you and i. Man sin, man must be punished, make sacrifice for sin offering to save man.

You now need to be smart to know what Jesus is in humanity, and what Jesus is in divinity. The question at hand here is WHAT IS THE DIVINITY OF JESUS. hos humanity is clear.

So, who was Christ before he came in flesh? the bible language is clear enough to answer you.


Now, kindly give me answers to this as i see you guys always avoiding question s.

1 Cor 8:5
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

A modification of the verses will be.
...as there be gods many, But to us there is but one God
...as there be lords many, But to us there is but one Lord, Christ.

So,
1. How many Lord do you have?
2. Who is that Lord?

thanks for copying Rozz

I think he knows what you are saying, but because of some ' benefits' he gets from the organization,

he will never be honest.

They have sworn an oath with the organization,

The fear of the consequences of the oath is the chain that bind him.

THE GB SMARTLY SET THEM AGAINST ALMIGHTY JESUS, THE ONLY TRUE GOD WHO COULD HAVE SET THEM FREE!

the guy has made up his mind to damn the consequences of all the lies the organization has offered.

Janosky:
Why you Sabi LIE?
But JWs obey Matthew 4:10, Deuteronomy 6:13 and Matthew 6:9 more than you.

You no dey fall down before your village Elders?
Are you WORSHIPPING them?

@ Matthew 4:10 Jesus says whoever worships Jesus are IDOL WORSHIPPERS
The words of Jesus Christ @Revelations 3:12 and John 20:17 no dey your Bible again.
. no wahala

You sef, I know no which one you dey.

I said give me the features of the ONLY TRUE GOD that you know from the Bible.

Till now I have not received any.

You said if person fall before his village elders, it doesn't mean he's worshipping the village elders, right?

QUESTIONS:

Why then do you call angels and contemporary believers who are falling before Jesus as idol worshippers?

2. Are you saying nobody (trinitarian) is worshipping Jesus?

They're paying homage?

In a clear terms, trinitarians are paying homage to Jesus not that they are worshipping Jesus.

Is that what you are saying?

3. Who/what is the idol that the worshipers
are worshipping?

Below is what I learned from Matthew 4:10 and John 12:26:

JESUS SAID HIMSELF IS THE TRUE GOD:

*. Matthew 4:10 says
"KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE.

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any MAN SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any MAN SERVE ME, him will my Father honour.


NOTE, He said ONLY the Lord your God you will serve,

He then said IF any man SERVE Him the Father will honour such a person.

He didn't say 'God will honour him' in this verse but 'Father will honour him'.

Because He had assumed His office as God in that verse.

He said ONLY God you have to serve, and said afterward SERVE ME.

In other words, He is saying I AM THE LORD THY GOD only whom you shall serve.

I have shown you how the people were only saying 'it is the voice of God'

and the man to whom they said it was killed by angel.

What about the king of Babylon?

He was at a point referred to as king of Kings.

He spent some years in the bush for giving himself the glory due God.

God said and meant it that He won't give His glory to another.

But you and your organization want to force us to believe that Jesus is another.

Acts 12:22 "KJV:And the people gave a shout, saying, It IS THE VOICE OF A GOD, and not of a man.
23
KJV:And immediately the ANGEL OF THE LORD SMOTE HIM, BECAUSE HE GAVE NOT GOD THE GLORY: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.


Janosky, the word translated a god in acts 12:22 is the same with the one in John 1:1.

Whether human beings translated it 'a god' or 'God' i.e separating it with small letter g and big letter G.

Heaven knows it means the true God!

GOD CAN NEVER GIVE HIS GLORY TO ANOTHER!

JESUS IS NOT ANOTHER!!

*. ISAIAH 47:11 "
KJV:For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY UNTO ANOTHER.

*. Acts 12: 23 "
KJV:And immediately THE ANGEL OF THE LORD SMOTE HIM, BECAUSE HE GAVE NOT GOD THE GLORY: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

That which angels are doing, Thomas did, Stephen did, Paul and Peter did; that is what I'm doing.


AM I WORSHIPPING JESUS OR I'M PAYING HOMAGE TO JESUS?

Maximus69:
That's their own cup of coffee, you can go and worship whoever pleases you jare!

'THEIR OWN CUP OF COFFEE'

Angels/Stephen/Thomas/present day believers' own cup of coffee?

ANGELS WORSHIP JESUS:

*. REVELATION 5:8 "
KJV:And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

STEPHEN, FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST, PRAYED TO JESUS:
*. Acts 7: 59 "
KJV:And they stoned Stephen, CALLING UPON GOD, and saying, LORD JESUS, receive my spirit.
60
KJV:And he kneeled down, and CRIED WITH a LOUD VOICE, LORD, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

THOMAS CALLED JESUS MY LORD AND MY GOD:

*. John 20:28 "KJV:And THOMAS answered and said unto him, MY LORD AND MY GOD.

JESUS SAID HIMSELF IS THE TRUE GOD:

*. Matthew 4:10 says

"KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, AND HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE.

*. John 12:26 "KJV:If any MAN SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any MAN SERVE ME, him will my Father honour.


NOTE, He said ONLY the Lord your God you will serve,

He then said IF I SERVE Him the Father will honour ME.

He didn't say 'God will honour him' in this verse but 'Father will honour him'.

Because He had assumed His office as God in that verse.

He said ONLY God you have to serve, and said afterward SERVE ME.

In other words, He is saying I AM THE LORD THY GOD only whom you shall serve.

I have shown you how the people were only saying 'it is the voice of God'

and the man to whom they said it was killed by angel.

What about the king of Babylon?

He was at a point referred to as king of Kings.

He spent some years in the bush for giving himself the glory due God.

God said and meant it that He won't give His glory to another.

But you and your organization want to force us to believe that Jesus is another.

Acts 12:22 "KJV:And the people gave a shout, saying, It IS THE VOICE OF A GOD, and not of a man.
23
KJV:And immediately the ANGEL OF THE LORD SMOTE HIM, BECAUSE HE GAVE NOT GOD THE GLORY: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.


Maximus 69, the word translated a god in acts 12:22 is the same with the one in John 1:1.

Whether human beings translated it 'a god' or 'God'

Heaven knows it means the true God!

GOD CAN NEVER GIVE HIS GLORY TO ANOTHER!

JESUS IS NOT ANOTHER!!

*. ISAIAH 47:11 "
KJV:For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY UNTO ANOTHER.

*. Acts 12: 23 "
KJV:And immediately THE ANGEL OF THE LORD SMOTE HIM, BECAUSE HE GAVE NOT GOD THE GLORY: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

That which angels are doing, Thomas did, Stephen did, Paul and Peter did; that is what I'm doing.

Maximus69:
Have you asked your fellow Trinitarians the same question?
Because we've heard so many contradicting opinions from your fellow Trinitarians on this same question you asked!

We know Jehovah our God, and his attributes are clearly seen when you keep observing his Organization! Galatians 5:22-23

You cut the rest of the post office .

It talks about the organization and its followers:


I think the JWs take misquoting, misinterpretations and misapplications of the word of God as a sport (i.e game).

*. Proverbs 26:19 "KJV:So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in SPORT?

*. Isaiah 57:4 "KJV:Against whom do ye SPORT yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood.

*. 2 Peter 2:13 "KJV:And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, SPORTING THEMSELVES with their own deceivings while they feast with you

Maximus69:
Have you asked your fellow Trinitarians the same question?
Because we've heard so many contradicting opinions from your fellow Trinitarians on this same question you asked!

We know Jehovah our God, and his attributes are clearly seen when you keep observing his Organization! Galatians 5:22-23

Please, I need urgent explanation of HIS ATTRIBUTES ARE CLEARLY SEEN WHEN YOU KEEP OBSESSING HIS ORGANIZATION

Is the organization the same thing as the Bible?

Because it is in the Bible I want you to show me His attributes.

In Galatians 5:22 I see something like THE FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT not

fruit of the Jehovah.

Are you a trinitarian,by taking the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT to mean FRUIT OF JEHOVAH?

I understand what trinitarian are saying. No need to ask them.

You are saying otherwise. Please, what are the attributes/features/characteristics/ properties of the ONLY TRUE GOD?

achorladey:
Na you go REGULATE my post on NAIRALAND?

The Post you responded to TOUCH you need the name of my CHURCH

I thought you don't want to have anything to do with me previously ni?

Similarly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not ignorant of others’ beliefs. They have gained considerable basic knowledge of the doctrinal beliefs of religions common in their area. Consideration to such teachings has been given in the book What Has Religion Done for Mankind? as well as numerous articles in The Watchtower and Awake! Such information on various religions is presented in the context of its contrast with accurate Biblical teachings......... Watchtower May 1 1984

The above post from one of your publication shows why it has no MEANING here to state the name of the denominations. Read all the bolded part. Do you AGREE to all of it?

Look at a comment passed over the extract from that magazine above below........

Witnesses may say they are ‘informed about other religions and their beliefs.’ But for the vast majority, the information they have is only what their own religious organization has seen fit to give them. It is prepackaged, carefully edited information, generally with the conclusions already spelled out for them.

You see why you guys got STUCKED tackling the issues before and continually and HIDE under the cover of what is the name of the denominations we belong.

Did your ORGANIZATION not say they have " basic knowledge of the doctrinal beliefs of religions common in their area. which they have taught you?

What's the essence of asking name of denominations when you have been taught?

Won't you have known many of them if you had collected their leaflets and booklets handed out by other denominations?

Obviously your response to that will be there is nothing in those books and booklets you are not familiar with yet asking for name of CHURCH. No wonder many had stated here it of no meaning and use to you and your brothers.

It is the same basic doctrinal beliefs that the ORGANIZATION you belong have taught you DrLiveLogic brought forward and you hide under the cover of WHAT'S THE NAME OF YOUR CHURCH like your brothers here.

I have thought about it and I can't find the reasons why someone would promote his church name above the name of Jesus.

Every true evangelist preach and teach about the name JESUS!

JWs would go about saying DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE TRUE GOD?

Or WHICH GROUP IS DOING THE WILL OF JEHOVAH?

Maximus 69 have promoted the organization more than Jesus.

Which is not Biblical.

Jesus only is our messages!

Maximus69:
That's their own cup of coffee, you can go and worship whoever pleases you jare!

Jesus says He isn't an idol. That angels and human beings that are serving Him are honoured by the Father.

*. John 12: 26 "
KJV:If any man SERVE ME, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man SERVE ME, him will MY FATHER HONOUR.

QUESTIONS:
1. who will honour those serving your Jehovah?

2. Do you serve Jesus or Jehovah?

3. How do you serve Jesus?

4. Is there any verse of the scripture that says IF YOU SERVE JEHOVAH THE SON WILL HONOUR YOU?

*. Psalms 2:12 "KJV: KISS THE SON, LEST HE BE ANGRY, AND YE PERISH FROM THE WAY, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Maximus69:
Have you asked your fellow Trinitarians the same question?
Because we've heard so many contradicting opinions from your fellow Trinitarians on this same question you asked!

We know Jehovah our God, and his attributes are clearly seen when you keep observing his Organization! Galatians 5:22-23

The other day you said that the attributes of the ONLY TRUE GOD is that

He report to no one and worship no one.

I asked you to provide

Janosky:
Your fellow Trinitarian folks hate to see the No2..
That Jesus is an angel

Just as you hate to see No1 that says Jesus is God.

Ken4Christ:
You don't understand the things of God by reasonings. They are understood by your spirit. Besides, the Jehovah witness organization are not Christians. They are anti Christ. You have to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus to be a Christian. They don't believe Jesus rose from the dead bodily. So, what is the essence of their faith if Jesus did not rise from the dead bodily? Then, what happened to the body of Jesus? This is the biggest lie ever told in history. Don't ever listen to them. They are anti Christ disguised as ministers of light.

I agree that THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.

Jesus, God the Son, said that if I, you or anyone SERVE Him the Father will honour (accept, Revere, salute) such a person.

But JWs say whoever worships/serves/prays to Jesus is an idol worshipper.

Who shall we believe?

ANGELS ARE WORSHIPPING JESUS :

*. Revelation 5:8 "KJV:And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.


THOMAS WORSHIPPED JESUS:
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DrLiveLogic:
Do you realize you're making a fool of yourself before everyone. Is it blindness or inability to comprehend things? Can you read no 2 slowly now..







Did you not read this before, oga stop going in circles.



Listen, chap! If you know you don't have the answers to my three questions, let's wait for your friends to come help you. Don't waste people's time with rigmaroles.
My 3 questions are simply meat for you all to chew so I can test the strength of your teeth and so far you're all tripping over yourselves. I am still coming with other questions that are like bones when you finally can chew the meat. LMAO.



Hello. If you wanted God to guide us all, why open a thread? And if you said you want to just learn, why are you yet to answer my question on the three states of water? Did you not see it?




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It's a simple question I asked, and they have not responded.

What are the attributes/features/characteristics of the ONLY TRUE GOD?

Back up your answers with Bible references.

I think the JWs take misquoting, misinterpretations and misapplications of the word of God as a sport (i.e game).

*. Proverbs 26:19 "KJV:So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in SPORT?

*. Isaiah 57:4 "KJV:Against whom do ye SPORT yourselves? against whom make ye a wide mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression, a seed of falsehood.

*. 2 Peter 2:13 "KJV:And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, SPORTING THEMSELVES with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

achorladey:
I was looking at these three scriptures Isaiah 53:10 John 12:24 John 21:5

NEB......,Isaiah 53:10 Yet the Lord took thought for his oppressed servant and healed him who had given himself as a sacrifice for sin. He will enjoy long life and see his children's children

New International Version
Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.

New Living Translation
But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.

English Standard Version
Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Berean Study Bible
Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush Him and to cause Him to suffer; and when His soul is made a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, and the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

New American Standard Bible
But the LORD was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.

New King James Version
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.


The prophecy in Isaiah 53:10 is about WHO?

Phillip the evangelist answered........Acts 8: 34 And the eunuch said to Philip, “About whom, I ask you, does the prophet say this, about himself or about someone else?” 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.

Does Jesus has OFFSPRING, children's children, seed,


John 12: 24..........Most truly I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains just one grain; but if it dies, it then bears much fruit.

New International Version
Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds.

New Living Translation
I tell you the truth, unless a kernel of wheat is planted in the soil and dies, it remains alone. But its death will produce many new kernels—a plentiful harvest of new lives.

English Standard Version
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

Berean Study Bible
Truly, truly, I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a seed; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

Berean Literal Bible
Truly, truly, I say to you, unless the grain of wheat, having fallen into the ground, should die, it abides alone; but if it should die, it bears much fruit.

New American Standard Bible
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the earth and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it bears much fruit.

New King James Version
Most assuredly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone; but if it dies, it produces much grain.

King James Bible
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.



John 21:5

NWT..........Then Jesus said to them: Children, you do not have anything to eat, do you? They answered :"No!"

New International Version
He called out to them, "Friends, haven't you any fish?" "No," they answered.

New Living Translation
He called out, “Fellows, have you caught any fish?” “No,” they replied.

English Standard Version
Jesus said to them, “Children, do you have any fish?” They answered him, “No.”

Berean Study Bible
So He called out to them, “Children, do you have any fish?” “No,” they answered.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore Jesus says to them, "Children do you have any food?" They answered Him, "No."

New American Standard Bible
So Jesus said to them, "Children, you do not have any fish, do you?" They answered Him, "No."

New King James Version
Then Jesus said to them, “Children, have you any food?” They answered Him, “No.”

King James Bible
Then Jesus saith unto them, Children, have ye any meat? They answered him, No.




All of the above in reference to the QUESTION( Does JESUS HAVE CHILDREN? Or sons and daughter as it were?) and to see why Jesus is called EVERLASTING FATHER and is said to have CHILDREN, SEEDS or OFFSPRING.

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By His grace I'm one His children.

Maximus69:
It was from amongst those who already believe in him (disciples) that Jesus selected his 12 Apostles {Luke 6:13-16} so the Apostles were already believers.
The third James (former Judaist) that became a Christian later was one of Jesus' siblings! Matthew 13:55

So they were three in total, two Apostles and one Judaists who is Jesus' brother!

In my own understanding, Mary, the mother of Jesus has a cousin sister called Mary.

This Jesus mother's sister gave birth to this James, and possibly John also.

That's why James could be referred as the Lord's brother.

That's why Jesus entrusted His mother into John's hand and said ' behold your mother'

James and John's mother and Jesus' mother are cousin sisters.

Let's see the following:

*. John 19: 25 "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and HIS MOTHER'S SISTER, MARY the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

*. Mark 15:40 "KJV:There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES THE LESS and of Joses, and Salome;

*. Luke 24.10 "
KJV:It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

*. Acts 12:12
KJV:And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of MARY THE MOTHER OF JOHN, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying.

*. Acts 1:14 "
KJV:These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS, and with his brethren.

Note! The 1st quot (John 19:25) says his mother; the last quot (Acts1:14) says MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS.

What I'm saying is that any time the Mary is the Jesus mother, they don't hesitate to let us know!

I always try to stop were the Bible stops.

I think it is important we look at your quotation;

Matthew 13:55 "KJV:Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, JAMES, and Joses, and SIMON, and JUDAS?

NOTE! These 3 names JAMES, SIMON and JUDAS are mentioned in the 12 apostles.

I could not see what makes you quote the verse

You can help by giving me what connect your claim to the verse.

petra1:
None The two you mentioned were already apostles among the 12 but there was a 3ed James who was jesus younger brother . He was a pharisee, he didnt believe earlier but after the death of christ he believed and became an apostle also

Galatians 1:19 TLB
The only other apostle I met at that time was James, the Lord’s brother

In the gospel we have 12 apostles.

*. Matthew 10:5 "KJV:These TWELVE Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

*. Luke 6:13 "
KJV:And when it was day, he called unto him his DISCIPLES: and of them he chose TWELVE, whom also he named apostles;

All of them are called DISCIPLES,
but the twelve are called APOSTLES.


In my own understanding, Mary, the mother of Jesus has a cousin sister called Mary.

This Jesus mother's sister gave birth to this James, and possibly John also.

That's why James could be referred as the Lord's brother.

That's why Jesus entrusted His mother into John's hand and said ' behold your mother'

James and John's mother and Jesus' mother are cousin sisters.

Let's see the following:

*. John 19: 25 "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and HIS MOTHER'S SISTER, MARY the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.

*. Mark 15:40 "KJV:There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES THE LESS and of Joses, and Salome;

*. Luke 24.10 "
KJV:It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles.

*. Acts 12:12
KJV:And when he had considered the thing, he came to the house of MARY THE MOTHER OF JOHN, whose surname was Mark; where many were gathered together praying.

*. Acts 1:14 "
KJV:These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS, and with his brethren.

Note! The 1st quot (John 19:25) says his mother; the last quot (Acts1:14) says MARY THE MOTHER OF JESUS.

What I'm saying is that any time the Mary is the Jesus mother, they don't hesitate to let us know!

I always try to stop were the Bible stops.

Maximus69:
The Jewish customs and traditions helps in the understanding of certain verses in the Bible.
For instance, when dying on the torture stake Jesus entrusted the care of Mary(his mother) in the hands of Apostle John {John 19:26-27} this was totally wrong for Jews to live the care of their aged parents in the hands of others {Exodus 20:12} so for Jesus to have said that, it means all of Mary's children have disowned her. Because back then that's what the Jews agreed to do to anyone that acknowledges Jesus as Christ {John 9:22} Mary who at her oldage is becoming a believer would definitely had issues with her children.
That's why Jesus' specifically assigned Apostle John (who was much younger than other Apostle) to take care of her.

Of course the Bible mentioned that James and Jude became Christians but it was much later so there is no way any of the two can stand up to speak in behalf of all those who have been serving as Christians before them, not even if they are Jesus' blood brother, in Christianity nepotism has no room!

Which of the JAMES became an apostle after CHRIST'S DEATH?

You can always back up your answers and explanations with Bible references to help me understand what you are saying.

Jesus has two people answering the name JAMES.
And there's no time the Bible says that any of them (James) was changed after Christ's death.

So I continue to wonder were people get the above concept from.

Let's see the following:

*. Matthew 10:2-4 "KJV:Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; JAMES THE SON OF ZEBEDEE, and John his brother;
3
KJV:Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; JAMES THE SON OF ALPHAEUS, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4
KJV:Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

*. Matthew 27:56
KJV:Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of JAMES and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.

One is called JAMES THE SON OF ZEBEDEE,

another is called JAMES THE SON OF ALPHAEUS.

PLEASE, which of them believe after CHRIST'S DEATH?

petra1:
I agree with you that they didnt believe on at some point . James was a pharisee but got converted after.

He became one of the apostles in the early church .

Galatians 1:19
But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

James the younger brother of jesus took over the church in Jerusalem which was a kind of HQ In that time, James rise to leadership became very obvious when Peter was released from Prison, he had to send report to James first of his release

Acts 12:17
But he, beckoning unto them with the hand to hold their peace, declared unto them how the Lord had brought him out of the prison. And he said, Go shew these things unto James, and to the brethren. And he departed, and went into another place.

If you observe when there was doctrinal issue in the early church and Paul and other apostles gathered . Even though James was new in the faith and doctrine and was still mixing the old law with the new but James was the one calling the shot . His word seem to be final .

Acts 15:13
And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God

So you could see that James was the person in charge.

Another incidence was when Peter traveled to visit Paul in Galatia. He observed that the Jews and gentiles Christians ate together and he joined in too. But when some people came Ftom JERUSALEM (James church) Peter was afraid and decamped from eating with the gentiles Christians and Paul had to rebuke him

Galatians 2:11-13
But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

It’s a fact that James ,Peter and John were pillars among the Apostles but James has leadership

Galatians 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

Galatians 1:19
But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

,

He said BEFORE CHRIST'S DEATH none of his brethren believed in Him.

I have heard this from other too.

But what I see in the Bible says differently.

Jesus has two people answering the name JAMES.
And there's no time the Bible says that any of them (James) was changed after Christ's death.

So I continue to wonder were people get the above concept from.

Let's see the following:

*. Matthew 10:2-4 "KJV:Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; JAMES THE SON OF ZEBEDEE, and John his brother;
3
KJV:Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; JAMES THE SON OF ALPHAEUS, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4
KJV:Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

*. Matthew 27:56
KJV:Among which was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of JAMES and Joses, and the mother of Zebedees children.

One is called JAMES THE SON OF ZEBEDEE,

another is called JAMES THE SON OF ALPHAEUS.

PLEASE, which of them believe after CHRIST'S DEATH?

A gallon of water filled with dirty water, it's hard to find out if you keep it from being punctured.

Once the gallon is punctured, its contents will be noticed.

Although the Sharp object caused the linkages,

but the truth is that there has been dirty water inside the gallon.

More than 90% of Nigerians (high and low, Christians and non Christians) are evil.

When one evil person saw or noticed another person ahead of him/her on the same evil course,he'll then feel more righteous than the other.

Sometimes if I try to encourage myself that Nigeria will be good some days,

I noticed that the up coming generations are more terrible than the outgoing generation.

My only encouragement now is in

Revelation 21:1 "
KJV:And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2
KJV:And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3
KJV:And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4
KJV:And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: FOR THE FORMER THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY.
5
KJV:And he that sat upon the throne said, BEHOLD, I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Halleluiah!

How many of you have this kind of HOPE?

Samjoshmilton:
My life was jeopardize with sins, and darkness has buried my soul, my tongues dances for lies and my heart is full of evils. The secret place I brought in to school in 100l was totally gone, I don't have secret place neither do I have holy book to read, fornication and adultery bcam my daily exercise and my life was completely rue, even gathering of Gods people became my enemy. The devil took over my life and started toying with it, it was miserable, it was gloomy and completely lost, I needed help because I was dying inside, boiling inside and burning away bt because the devil has Harden my heart and turn my back on the way of the Lord I couldn't look for help instead I pretend to be fine even when am not, life became hard for me. Whenever someone spoke to me about Jesus, at that particular tym i will change and turn my back on sin then after some minute the devil in me will took over and harden my heart again, I live under the word of God, sleep in it, dine in it yet the word became shallow in me, God kept calling me bt I turn d deaf ear to him. But one day I get tired of the old ways, I get tired of the dark place, I get tired of working for the devil, I was thirst for Jesus, I couldn't sleep, I was hopeless, kept thinking about my future without God and at the same time I was scared of missing it in life. I was looking for mercy.

Then one day I made up my mind and went to God to Ask for mercy, He look for me when I was going astray and brought me into his present, forgive me all my sins, turn my life around and set me free....am no more in the world of sin, am now in the world of Christ��.

Congratulations!

Make use of the CCC

The Call, you Come, now Continue!

And may the Lord be your best help.

Many people or religion groups have agreed that the true God is one.

The teaching about Trinity is no different.

I have taken my time to know what it is all about, and the following are my findings

1) Mathematically 1×1×1=1(the Almy One)

That is 1(one) increased by 1(one) and increased by another 1(one)=1(the Almighty One).

Each one (1) in the example above shares the same thing (characteristics).

In other words, God the Father increased (multiply) by God the son and multiply (increased) by God the Holy Spirit=THE ALMIGHTY GOD.

The sign of addition (+) and the sign of multiplication (×) resemble themselves but they are different

When × is viewed daigonally, someone may thinks it's +.

That's why some take the Trinity as 1+1+1=3 gods x(wrong)

Trinity is 1×1×1=1GOD (the Almighty)✓

Maximus69:
He reports to no one, he worships no one!

Bible references and your explanation/definition of 'report and worship'

Maximus69:
Humans define the title differently but if you meditate on all the various definitions you'll grasp what makes a person your God.
According to the Bible itself the title "God" is given to whoever dictates what happens in your society, this makes such a person the Supreme ruler whose orders must be strictly followed.
The Bible made it clear that one of the lies Satan told Eve is "you will be like God, knowing good and evil" {Genesis 3:5} but before saying this Satan first told her "you will not positively die" which means "whatever the order spirit (referring to God) told you is a lie" Genesis 3:4

That's why humans were also referred to as Gods {Psalms 82:1,6} because they dictate to their fellowman even when their subjects finds the orders not palatable! Ecclesiastes 4:1, 8:9
Mose became God before Pharaoh because he dictates what happens in Egypt even when Pharaoh (the king who was also revered as God) is still on the throne! Exodus 7:1

Jesus served as God when all the powerful spirits ravaging his people had to take orders from him {Matthew 8:28-34} even natural forces obeyed Jesus {Mark 4:35-41} just the same way Moses also controls them! Exodus 14:21,27

Both Moses and Jesus did made it clear that someone was giving them others and that is the person we all must worship as God! Deuteronomy 6:4; John 20:17

Apostle Paul finally revealed in his letter to the Corinthians that Jesus is our mediator so that every man will see Jesus as our leader but Jesus also have someone leading him ~ GOD! 1Corinthians 11:3, 15:27-29

God bless you!

Ok, you try.

Notwithstanding, what I'm asking is what makes THE ONLY TRUE GOD to be the only one?

Janosky:
Every Priest dey serve God or deity that is Superior to the Priest.
No Priest is equal to his God.
RECEIVE SENSE

Let's see if we can reason along.

What makes God to be God?

Jesus says as I worship Him, im Father dey salute me

johnw47:
in the new testament, Ghost is a word meaning: Spirit, it doesn't mean demon

janosky speaking fairy tales and not biblical said: "Ghost is a demon. No demon is holy"
with his usual false jw much laughter - multiple laughing icons

some think they can speak any way of the Holy Spirit
we know janosky's fate for blaspheming Him:

Mar 3:29  But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness


but janosky was lost long before this





ha ha, false jw's lying is habitual - from their daddy the devil
to us their lies are so duh, but to them they thing they are being intelligent, they are blinded:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.




Jesus probably used the words son and daughter to these suffering people in terms of endearment

but also really with the Word/Jesus Christ being the creator of man, we are His sons and daughters


scriptures show that Father and the word is creator, scriptures show that Father and the Word is God
it was God - Father and the Word that created man:

Gen_1:26  And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:

so God - Father and the Word is the Creator

and so of course the Creator - Father and the Word is God: 

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

. Ok, thanks