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AntiChristian:
Someone tagged us all. And i simply quoted back.

Jesus loves you!

Janosky:
Bros,is Jesus Christ a jealous God?
Jesus Christ says himself is not the True God
John 17:3.
Jesus receives homage NOT worship.
Matt4:10, Jesus says Only the jealous God , Yahweh RECEIVES worship.
God the son is a man made FRAUD.

I will like you to post clear explanation. What I mean is that, Matthew 4:10 does not say "only the Father receives worship"

But it says "KJV:Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Janosky:
Bros,is Jesus Christ a jealous God?
Jesus Christ says himself is not the True God
John 17:3.
Jesus receives homage NOT worship.
Matt4:10, Jesus says Only the jealous God , Yahweh RECEIVES worship.
God the son is a man made FRAUD.

See what Bible says:
*. Hebrews 1:6"
KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God WORSHIP HIM.

all over my Bible, wherever the word worship is used, it could also be replaced with the word homage, either to the Father, son or human beings

sonmvayina:
How can God be the creator and still be part of creation.... I need clarification please..

He also comes down low to become and act like His creatures. This enables Him to feel and fill all things that He had created:
*. Colossians 1:18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the preeminence.

*. Ephesians 1:23Which is his body, the fulness of HIM that FILLETH ALL IN ALL

*. Ephesians 4:10"KJV:He that DESCENDED is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, THAT HE MIGHT FILL ALL things.)

Jesus in His highest office He's God: John9 1:1-7
2. In His lower office He's less than human beings

[quote author=sonmvayina post=89883365]How can God be the creator and still be part of creation.... I need clarification please.. [/quo

The question "who created God?" Is answered "God is a Being who CREATED Himself"

He's part of the creation by creating Himself.

He also comes down low to become and act like His creatures. This enables Him to feel and fill all things that He had created:
*. Colossians 1:18 "KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; THAT IN ALL THINGS HE MIGHT HAVE the preeminence.

Let's see some of the qualities of the true God:
*. Creator
*. Power
*. Omniscient
*. Everlasting
*. Receiving worship
*. Judge of all
*. Love
*. Omnipresent, etc

10. Father/Son is the creator of all things:

*. Isaiah 45:5-7 "KJV:I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
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KJV:That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.
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KJV:I FORM the light, and CREATE darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
*. Isaiah 45:12 "
KJV:I have MADE the earth, and CREATED man upon it: I, even MY HANDS, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded. ( i.e the Father)

*. Jeremiah 27: 5 "KJV:I HAVE MADE the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, by my great power and by my outstretched arm, and have given it unto whom it seemed meet unto me. ( i.e the Father)

*. John 1:3 "KJV: ALL THINGS were MADE BY HIM; and without him was not any thing MADE that was made. ( i.e the Son)
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*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were ALL THINGS CREATED, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: ALL THINGS were CREATED by him, and FOR HIM i.e the Son)

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, ARE ALL THINGS: to whom be glory for ever. Amen. (i.e the Son)

NOTE! God said He created all things with His own hands, see Isaiah 45:12
2. These things were created by Himself, for Himself. For His own pleasure they are and were created, see Colossians 1:16, Romans 11:36 and Revelation 4:11.

For the fact that Jesus possesses all the qualities of the true God, He's the true God.

orisa37:
KNOWMORE56x2020.

Mathematically 1×1×1=1(the Almighty One)-- CORRECT.

AND SO

Trinity is 1×1×1=1GOD (the Almighty)✓


Jesus loves you all. Amen.

CORONAVIRUS SHALL NOT REACH YOUR GATE IJN AMEN AMEN AMEN !!!

And I said a big AMEN!

Janosky:
Let's get this clear here.
Jesus Praised Yahweh, The Lord of Heaven and earth in Matt11:25. Yahweh is the God Almighty of Revelations 4:11.(Compare Rev 3:12 and Romans 11:35-36). NOT Jesus Christ.

In heaven and earth, is Jesus accountable to his Father and God? Matt10:32-33. Rev3:5. Yes !!
Because Jesus worshipped his Father and God.

Did Jesus say you must worship ONLY his God and Father ? Matt 4:10. Yes !

Therefore, Greek proskuneo in Hebrews1:6, Matthew 2:11 means homage, obeisance. NOT the WORSHIP Jesus instructed you to give EXCLUSIVELY to his Father, Yahweh.

Acts10:25 do you agree that Cornelius worshipped Peter? Is Peter God ?

Let's see some of the qualities of the true God:
*. Creator
*. Power
*. Omniscient
*. Everlasting
*. Receiving worship
*. Judge of all
*. Love
*. Omnipresent, etc

NOTE! God the Son does not fall short of these qualities, the Son is God.

Expecting the Father to call the Son 'my father' or 'my God'; this is not one of the qualities of the true God. So, I don't know what you are holding on to.

Janosky:
The term "God the son" is man made, not SCRIPTURES.
Does The son of God mean God the son ? No, NOT at all.

Bros, Luke 9:35 at Jesus transfiguration, in the clouds, whose voice spoke?
What did the voice say?

Jesus Christ himself @ John 20:17 and Revelations 3:12,21 have cemented his true identity and position in heaven.
He says he still a son there , Not God.
I can't force you to accept what Jesus said about himself.

Nobody argues with the law that says 1×1×1=1; Father x Son x Holy Ghost = one Almighty God. This is settled.

@janosky
Even in Heaven, after His glorification, God the Son (Jesus Christ of Nazareth) was seen a LAMB ( one of His offices that makes Him less than human beings). Therefore, "my God" and "my Father" is nothing compared to His position (a Lamb)

*. Revelation 5:6 "JV:And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Janosky:
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Point 1..
"Oturugbeke!" IS AN EXCLAMATION OF SURPRISE that KNOWMORE56 claims are not true.

Please STOP deceiving yourself.
John 14:28 is SACROSANCT in the physical and spiritual realm...

Matt 11:25. Rev4:11. Rev 10:6.Ephes. 3:14-15.
Does Jesus owes his name and existence to his God and Father,Yahweh ?
Yes !
Is Almighty Yahweh,The God and Father WORTHY of the Praise, Glory from His Creatures ?
Yes. It is His Right.

Whereas,Yahweh gave Jesus a privilege, HE anointed Jesus above his peers(Heb1:9).
John 17:24, Jesus understood it's a privilege. (Because his God and Father loves Jesus)..
John 3:16-17 God loves us too.
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Point 2:
Sorry for you,KNOWMORE.
Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17,Did Jesus Christ acknowledge his own God and Father in the physical and spiritual realm?
Yes !

John 17:2-3, The glory wey Jesus dey beg from his God and Father Na you dey wetin Jesus no claim !

Why would Your "God" be begging himself for the glory he already possess?

Here comes the Crushing Blow to KNOWMORE56 claim:
JESUS IS GOD, JESUS IS NOT ANOTHER!

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1 Corinthians 15:26-28
". 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he “has put everything under his feet.”
Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. [/b]28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all."



[b]1 Corinthians 15:26-28 Na Technical knockout

This is the interpretation of that verses:
1×1×1=1. Father have increased (i.e the meaning of multiply ×) Himself to 2 more positions, which has not affected His quality. After redemption is completed, the multiplication (increasement) will be cancelled, which is the one (1) after equal sign, 1 Corinthians 15:27.

It's true to all people that any description given to any of the ones (1s) the same is true for all, thier position not withstanding!

You have been pointing at differences in the existence but you have tried hard to ignore the oneness.

I have given examples 1 to 8, now I give you 10

10. Father/Son WAS/IS BEING/SHALL BE WORSHIPED:

*. Matthew 2:11"KJV:And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and FELL DOWN, and WORSHIPPED HIM: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh. (i.e the Son)

*. Genesis 24:26 "KJV:And the man BOWED DOWN his head, and WORSHIPPED the LORD . (i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 4:10-11 "KJV: The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
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KJV:Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created. (i.e the Son)

*. Revelation 7:11 "KJV:And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and FELL before the throne on their faces, and WORSHIPPED God , (i.e the Father)

*. Hebrews 1:6 "KJV:And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the ANGELS of God WORSHIP HIM . (i.e the Son)

Note: Isaiah 42:8 and 48:11"KJV:I am the Lord: that is my name: and MY GLORY WILL I NOT GIVE to ANOTHER, neither my praise to graven images"
"KJV:For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I WILL NOT GIVE MY glory unto another

[quote author=Janosky post=89594511]Revelations 2:27, Jesus Christ says "I have AUTHORITY FROM MY FATHER".
(Compare Matthew 28:18 ), Jesus Christ says his Father and God gave him the authority in heaven and earth to bear titles we usually ascribe to his Father.
There is ZERO equality between Jesus and his God.
No be rocket science.....
Trinitarians always make fictitious claims to suit their FALSE doctrine.


One of the laws in mathematics says 1(one)× itself it remains the same. That's to say, if one increased itself into 3, it quality is not affected.

The difference is the position, i.e 1(1st position) ×(increased by) 1(2nd position) ×(increased by) 1(3rd position) = 1

John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..."
In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased from the Father"
The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same
Whatever description you give to any of them the same is true for the rest

Maximus69:
Organization connotes being organized

GB means the group overseeing all the activities of the organization globally.

Neither Organization or Governing Body is to be taught in the public unless the interested person wants to know how we come about the oneness in thought globally! John 17:20-23 compare to Romans 15:5-6; 1Corinthians 1:10: Ephesians 4:3; Philippians 2:2

But the TRINITY has no positive impact on the Trinitarians!

One of the laws in mathematics says 1(one)× itself it remains the same
John 16:28 "I CAME FORTH from the Father..."
In my understanding He is saying " I multiplied/increased from the Father"
The 1st one(1) is one, 2nd one(1) is one and the 3rd one(1) is one. the same
Whatever description you give to any of them the same is true for the rest

One of the things that this topic wants to achieve is that: The Christians God is 3 Personalities in one God.
*These 3 Personalities have characteristics that differentiate them. And They have characteristics that unite Them.
*That is to say that They are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT and at the same time They are UNIQUELY THE SAME.
*The difficulties the majority are having is in this "They are the same as well as are different"
*Many people have given the examples from the Bible that show They are different, especially between Jesus and God the Father.

xproducer:
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This is what the Lord GOD says He will do upon His return -

“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind." - Isaiah 65:17

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness," - 2 Peter 3:10-11

"For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." - 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

Peace & blessings!

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"The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." - 2 Peter 3:9

Thanks for the post and stay blessed always

AntiChristian:
We await him since 2020 years ago. Na so you'll die and your grandchildren will continue the mantra!

He is coming back I believe sha! But to do an entirely different thing...

Why tag me ?

At least you have posted your own line of thinking. @why tag me

I continue to pray for God to have mercy on me us in this country, because I fear the way people are careless thinking they trust in God. Some wouy boldly say the virus is not in this country, politicians know what they are doing.

This generation have payed more attention to dressing (exposing parts of their bodies) and sex. These are the areas that they compete with themselves to know who's the best. I noticed that it is men who push them to it through compliments. Now, up to 95% of them will see you as 101 years backward with this you're list.
As for me I have concluded that ONLY GOD CAN GIVE A MAN A GOOD WIFE.

Ope88:
If he were your brother, ull do worse, given all the countless things he has done in the past... I can't write all...

Please let me know what the church is doing or saying in this matter.
And 2ndly, which church do you attend now?

All the things that have been revealed to me about this great God I will post.

8. Father/Son is the first and the last:

*Isaiah 44:6 "KJV:Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, and I AM THE LAST; and beside me there is no God" (i.e the Father)

*. Isaiah 41:4 "KJV:Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, THE FIRST, and with THE LAST; I am he.(i.e the Father)

*. Revelation 1:17 "KJV:And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST: (i.e the Son)

*. Revelation 2:8 "And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith THE FIRST and THE LAST, which was dead, and is alive; (i.e the Son)

*. Isaiah 48:12 "KJV:Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I AM he; I AM THE FIRST, I also AM the LAST.(i.e the Father)

The teaching about the Trinity or it acceptance doesn't make a person to be saved. It makes those who are saved to know more about the God they are Serving and have Him in awe.
So, I give God the glory for those who have believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried and resurrected, according to the Scriptures
*. Romans 10:9-10 " if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
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KJV:For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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KJV:For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

May God uphold your faith who have believe that Jesus is the Son of God
*. Acts 8:37 "KJV:And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I BELIEVE THAT Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Thanks all of you (AntiChristian, TruthHurts100, Solite3, Shadeyinka, xproducer, Maximus69, Eulali, Janosky, achorlady, Sonmvyina and more) who have been contributing to the topic, some are against, some are in support, some are neutral, with different levels of understanding. May the Almighty grant you your goals that are in accordance with His ways, will and words.
Jesus is coming soon. Amen!

God the Son is the One who has been doing all the talking. He called Him Father, God or my God, that's ok.
We noticed that the few times the Father talked about Him, He(the Father) also called Him (the Son) God.
*. Hebrews 2:8 "KJV:But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. What I'm trying to say is that if it is the Father who has been doing all the talking, He could have called Him my God and heaven will not fall. Although my opinion.

point 2: from my own understanding, if XYZ are the CEO of a company and y called x my CEO, it doesn't make y an ordinary supplier in any case. I will only say of y that he is humble. But the Trinity is beyond this explanation.
Do you understand, Janosky?

Another thing I want to say is that ,the Father called Him Son and the Son called Him Father. This in my own understanding, the head called the hand "my hand"; and the hand in turn called the head "my head" (head, hand and other parts which make up the one body). Is like somebody wants the hand to be called the head before he will agree that they are the same one body.

[quote author=Janosky post=89522381]Oturugbeke !!!!

What you typed up there,is that what Jesus Christ is telling you in Revelations 3:5,12 and John 20:17?


Bros, Are you equal to your God ?
Bros, John 14:28 and John 20:17 still dey your Bible ?

John 20:17 , Jesus says "my Father, my God", in Revelations 3:5,12, Jesus says "my Father, my God", do both expressions in Revelations and John mean the same thing?

Does "oturukpeke" means " I have understood"?

Because you said Jesus received power and authority from the Father. And I said yes, but THE GIVER ISN'T ALWAYS THE BIGGER.

That He received it doesn't make Him lesser, because the Father also had received something before and He's still receiving.

Human beings do give Him thanks, praise, glory, etc and He does receive them.

The human beings who are the givers of these things are not greater than the Receiver( God). Oturukpeke means you understand this.

Point 2. The power and authority you said Jesus received is part of the glory of God that He categorically said He won't give to another:- Isaiah 42:.

Can God lie? No!
JESUS IS GOD, JESUS IS NOT ANOTHER!
Oturukpeke means you understand this.

I want to attend to the next point you raised, which is " the Son called the Father my God"

It's called rat-tailed maggot

All I have to say is that there are people who can sabotage every good move in all our regions

As for the other issue of Jesus was seen standing at the right hand of God.

Many times I have noticed that people are not interested in knowing more about the different offices of this Jesus.

JESUS HAS THE HIGHEST OFFICE AND THE LOWEST OFFICE

1. In His highest office He is God:

*. John 1:1KJV:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.", and many more.


2. In His lower office He is an Angel:

*. Joshua 5:13
KJV:And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood A MAN over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries?
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KJV:And he said, Nay; but as CAPTAIN of the host of the Lord am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?
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KJV:And the CAPTAIN of the Lord's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

NOTE: most of the Bible scholars have agreed that this is Jesus acting like an angel.

Other places that Jesus acted like an angel: Stephen vision Acts 7:55-56; Paul's conversion Acts 9:3-6; Paul's vision Acts 23:11, and many more.

3. Jesus is a man or human being:

*. Acts 2:22
KJV:Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, A MAN approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

*. Acts 17:31
KJV:Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by THAT MAN whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

4. Jesus is a bigger and a lesser Animal:

*. John 1:29 "KJV:The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold THE LAMB OF GOD, which taketh away the sin of the world.

NOTE! Jesus is: God, Angel, Man, Lion, Lamb, Light, Water, Fire, Tree, Food, etc

* The Bible says that "Jesus is the Chief/First/Number One/The Leading/the Preeminence in each set of God's creations/creatures"

*. Colossians 1:18 "
KJV:And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in ALL things HE (Jesus) might have the PREEMINENCE.

*. Ephesians 4:10
KJV: HE that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill ALL things.)

THINK ABOUT IT!

Bro Max, the issue of "the word Trinity is not in the Holy Bible"can not stand firm because there are words that your group is using that are not in the Bible. For example: organization, GB(governing body), etc.
You'll look for one phrase or another to be the meanings of the words.

God bless all of you who have the Biblical counselling that divorce is allowed but remarry no.
The way to go is temporary separation then forgive and reconcile.

Janosky:
Revelations 19:16= Matthew 28:18 Jesus Christ says himself RECEIVED Authority and Power from his God and Father in heaven and earth.

Revelations 1:6,Does Jesus Christ have his Own Father and God? Yes.
Rev 1:8= Exodus 6:3. Yahweh is the Almighty. NOT Jesus.
Almighty Yahweh is NOT a partnership.
Jesus says "God is a Spirit" , John 4:24.
Who is that Spirit?
John 17:3, Jesus says his Father is the only true God. NOT Jesus.


**Revelations 3:5,11-12.
" 5He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father [/b]and before His angels.

11Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
[b]12He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, [/b]the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God...."

[b]Bros, is the spiritual realm Superior to the physical realm?
Your Church mind says yes.
Therefore ACCEPT THE TRUTH JESUS SPOKE THAT Revelations 3:5,11-12 = John 14:28 and John 20:17. 1 Cor 11:3 CONFIRMED IT.

Shalom

The giver is not the bigger in this case. Father gave the Son, and the Son received it.

That He received it doesn't make Him lesser, because the Father also had received something before and He's still receiving. For example:

*. psalm106:1 "KJV:Praise ye the Lord. O GIVE THANKS UNTO THE LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever."

*. Isaiah 42:12
KJV:Let them GIVE GLORY UNTO THE LORD, and declare his praise in the islands.

Others: Psalms 30:12; 35:18; 57:7

NOTE! We can see human being giving and God receiving PRAISE, THANKS, GLORY, etc. Human beings are not greater than God because of giving and receiving. thanks.

2. These things you said Jesus received are the glory of God that He said He won't give to another.

*. Isaiah 42:8
KJV:I am the Lord: that is my name: and MY GLORY will I NOT GIVE to another, neither my praise to graven images.

NOTE! Jesus is not another but God increased Himself into 3 Personalities and still remains who He is.

1×1×1=1 Almighty. That is, one multiply(increased) by one and multiply ( increased) by another one = Almighty One.

Maximus69:
Council of Nicaea headed by Emperor Constantine!

The Christians God is 3 Personalities in one God.

*These 3 Personalities have characteristics that differentiate them. And They have characteristics that unite Them.

*That is to say that They are DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT and at the same time They are UNIQUELY THE SAME.

*The difficulties the majority are having is in this "THEY ARE THE SAME AS WELL AS ARE DIFFERENT"

*Many people have given the examples from the Bible that show They are different, especially between Jesus and God the Father.