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The priest and the politician. The sacred and the profane duo of lies since time immemorial.

LordReed:
All eyes on sukkot.

Hopefully, the bloodbath meets him in whatever hovel he types his delusions from.

MaxInDHouse:
Typical of an atheist!
So it's points you're after when i am talking about lives!

I’m not an atheist because It’s not about belief or unbelief. Your god is nonsense.

Definition of point:
an argument or idea put forward by a person in discussion.

MaxInDHouse:
So you think the combat has reached all the areas in Ukraine shey?
Well i've told you what really matters to me, it's not their nationality but lives!

Of course, the truth doesn’t matter. You’re a Jehovah Witness after all.

MaxInDHouse:
The casualty report really got everyone angry because it's not only Yorùbá's that are humans and as for your stupid interruption.

Still doesn’t add anything to your point.

MaxInDHouse:
Neither you nor myself can say those people are Americans or Ukrainians.
Don't be deceived by their uniforms because during wars soldiers can put on any uniform to confuse their opponents.
The report says they are Ukrainians but that's not my concern rather it's human lives that matters to me!

I can say they are Americans because I know they are and that’s why I corrected you. They are obviously not in a combat zone so this is not a case of military trickery. What you posted is not a report but a Facebook post.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, this is not the field where we are working to verify the nationality of those in the pictures so try to use your brains. We are talking about lives here not nationality.
In fact the picture is from Facebook i'm not the one who took it so i'm less concerned about the nationality of those in the picture. What matters to me is how sane humans like myself are still going around carrying weapons to kill or get killed at this age of human development? Are we going forward with our brains or backward?


Check the below statistics!

What is WAR?
Bombs that cost $ 100,000 Dropping from a plane that costs $ 100,000,000 flying at a cost of $ 40,000 per hour to kill people living with less than $1 a day.

Now answer me:
Do you think sane people should be involved in the above?
Please for what reason?

That's why i get so upset when you're talking about the nationality of those involved, please it's not about their nationality but what they're carrying in their brains!

I don’t care how you feel about war really. The point still stands that the picture you posted was captioned wrongly. Just admit it and keep making your point however you can.

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever is carrying weapons against anyone today is not one of Jesus' disciples (Jehovah's Witnesses)
So when we see them we realize that they're still falling zombies to self-centered politicians!

Do you Jehovah Witnesses live within sovereign borders?
Do you Jehovah Witnesses live within countries?
Do you Jehovah Witnesses have passports?

If the answer to all these is yes, how are you exempt from politics?!
How are you not “zombies to self-centered politicians”?
Do Jehovah Witnesses leave countries being led by these “self-centered politicians”?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy it's much more than enough, in fact he should be spanked for saying such stupid stuff.
I remembered back then when some guys died and the one reporting said only six persons died then another came arguing with him that it was two. It turned out to an argument until the stupid fellow later said it was two Yorùbas and four other tribes!

Now I’m in danger of being spanked!!!!
What point does your casualty anecdote support?!

MaxInDHouse:
Please what exactly does he meant by they're Americans not Ukrainians?
Are they not humans like you and i?

……….they are literally Americans not Ukrainians, which makes your post erroneous. All you have to do is say that you made a mistake; after all, you are not familiar with the American military. No one is calling their humanity into question.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm upset because humans like me, husbands, wives and youths are going to die all because some self-centered politicians wants to prove a point that's of no practical benefits!

Fair enough I guess. Are you also upset about Yemen, Tigray, Syria, and all the other wars going on currently? What about past wars?

Maybe Jesus did bring a sword back in 1914.

MaxInDHouse:
Intelligence is IDENTIFYING what cause the problem and steps to correct it not the issues that's of no practical benefits!
Whether those guys are Americans, Ukrainians, Russians or Germans the point of emphasis here is they are going to kill or get killed!
That's what matters to any agent of the intelligence not their nationality!

Good for you and your intelligence but shouldnt you correctly label pictures you are trying to prove your point with?

Since you are “intelligence”, you should understand this point. In an “intelligence” meeting, would you use a picture of a arms warehouse in country A when the target is an arms warehouse in country B?

MaxInDHouse:
This is why i'm upset!

I don’t get it. Are You are upset because of the American military members or because some Russians are protesting the war in Ukraine?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy that's what we call "intelligence" try to use your brains when coming into a discussion.
If truly you're not insane answer this question:

Is it Americans or Ukrainians that should die due to the orders from some selfish and self-centered politicians?

Dude, I simply pointed out that the people you posted are American soldiers/airman not Ukrainians. Why are you so upset?

MaxInDHouse:
Chai see insanity at it's peak!

Because I corrected what you posted by identifying them as Americans instead of Ukrainians?! Lol, ok.

[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=110665252][/quote]Those are pictures of American soldiers returning from war not Ukrainians going to war.

MaxInDHouse:
They were all eye Witnesses but the event each person saw differs from what they heard from others who saw things Jesus did in the the presence of the writers.

Lol

budaatum:
You will return for more someday, unknown.

Lol. You will find it one day or maybe not.

budaatum:
There is no way for me to verify that my interpretation is the meaning of the authors, unknown, and personally, if I claim my own understanding is the interpretation you must please stone buda for lying!

Your interpretation is not understanding.

budaatum:
And this is precisely my point. Some might read it and interpret the intention of the author is to enslave. Some might read it and even enslave themselves. But my own understanding of my own reading shows me how people are enslaved and what I must do to resist being enslaved, which is eat the fruits of knowledge.

Continue eating.

budaatum:
Aha, I get you. You understand it, which is why you know I don't, and you therefore have sufficient knowledge to explain it to me.

Please, go ahead. Explain the Garden of Eden to buda please.

No. It was a rewarding experience finding it and I don't want to rob you of it if you do find it.

Besides, certain ancient Romans had a saying interpreted as "The common people like to be deceived. Deceived, let them be". My sentiments are similar.

budaatum:
Like claiming "surely die" is spiritual death?
I get you.

Definitely not. That "spiritual death" interpretation is for the religious types.

budaatum:
I can not make such a claim, unknown. Ordinary, a person ate fruit and died a week later I'd be like wtf if you say the fruit killed them, slowly. It's not how my brain works, you see, and I have found no reason nor evidence to convince myself of slow 800 year killing killer.

If a person ate a poisoned fruit and died a week later, you wouldn;t be like wtf if you say the fruit killed them. Regardless, you can make any claim you want in the realms of allegory and mythology. We are talking about a story where they have 800 year life spans after all so why not a slow killing fruit with effects that take hold over time?

budaatum:
Same with women giving birth with no male input, incidentally. My mind will disown me if I tempt it with such wuruwuru thinking

The woman in question did not need any male input and she remains a virgin. If you had the background knowledge, you'd understand how the woman can give birth with no male input.

budaatum:
Trust me, you are saying a lot about my intelligence. Claiming I can interpret the "actual meaning and intents of the authors”, is saying I am more intelligent and capable than I actually am.

Why can't you interpret the actual meaning of the authors if you understand their method? You make it sound as if they were more than human beings. Again, I did not say anything about your intellegence.

budaatum:
Take the slavery I keep mentioning. Note how I do not claim the authors intended to enslave. Still,

What if the intention of the authors was to enslave?

budaatum:
Why is it not my understanding of what I read?

Why must it be an interpretation?

Because you don't understand it.

budaatum:
I pray in the name of personified luminary orbs!

Lol. You're not the only one.

budaatum:
You are very funny, unknown. I am making "inferences based on sufficient on the little background knowledge that I have found through my searching with all my being but you are claiming my sewing leaves is not an increase of my intelligence, lol.

That's why it's just your interpretation and not understanding. I didn't say anything about your intelligence.

budaatum:
First, let us get one thing clear, "Besides the lord said" nothing! The truth is we read in a book that some people wrote that the Lord said those things.

Of course we read it in a book!!!! Christ! We are just discussing the book....................if I said "Okonkwo said" does that mean I think Okonkwo actually said it?!!!

budaatum:
You mean, the relationship is not that I created you and therefore own you? I fully agree.

But the Lord didn't own them either. He just told them to stay away from the tree of the "knowledge of good and evil" not the "tree of knowledge"

budaatum:
Why would they die if they "eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"? Is it not a lack of knowledge that kills?

[quote author=budaatum post=110641439]What harm did the fruit cause, Unknown?

They died. Whether immediately or 800 years, they died. So, we can say the fruit did cause harm.
Also, the "knowledge of good and evil" is different from "knowledge". It isn't about "knowledge" but the "knowledge of good and evil".

budaatum:
I am not claiming the text implied, unknown. I, buda, inferred, from the text, with my own heart and soul and mind and being.

I have asked you a few times now but you seem to avoid it. If you are placed in the garden of eden and told not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, please tell me the state your being would be in.

You can't use you and I as examples because the relationship between us doesn't equate the relationship between the lord and the inhabitants of the garden. Besides the lord said, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” The bolded being a warning about the harm the fruit would cause.

budaatum:
Personifications, as in like human beings who worshipped "stars planets" like 5000 years ago?

Personification as in giving them human/animal characteristics and telling stories about them.

budaatum:
Well, I can not claim my own understanding is "grasping the actual meaning and intents of the authors”, unknown. I do not have the powers to go read minds of authors who died thousands of years ago and I do no have the hubris to assume my understanding is the "actual meaning and intents of the authors".

Kindly accept my limitations please.

You can find if you truly searched with your "heart, ass, liver, soul, and spirit". In all seriousness, it's a matter of making inferences based on sufficient background knowledge. It's not hubris. You can really get to a place where you can have reasonable assurance that you understand what the authors meant. I'm not saying you will understand the whole thing, but once you get their method you can even confirm some things yourself.

budaatum:
What are "the mythical genii of the stars and planets"?

Personifications of the stars , planets, and the "chaos" they sprung from.

budaatum:
No, Known, it doesn't just "means grasping the actual meaning and intents if the authors", though the two are often conflated.

I read what you write and have an understanding or ask questions, but you know that I can not fully "grasp the actual meaning and intents of the author" you who is before me not to talk of "the actual meaning and intents of the authors" of a book written some 2000 odd years ago, and if I say I do "grasp the actual meaning and intents of the authors" please stone me!

What I am stating is the understanding that I have gotten through my own asking and seeking and knocking for it with my own heart and soul and mind and being, and it would be silly of me to assume everyone has done only the same amount of seeking I did or no more than I have done and have not come to their own understanding, which is why I am here, Unknown, to state my own understanding and to hear your understanding. And trust me. If I find your understanding supersedes my own understanding or increases my understanding, I will abandon my understanding if need be and adopt your understanding or add your understanding to my understanding to booster my own understanding. Except that I am fully aware how much seeking I have done and can easily identify the difference in understandings.

Whilst one can not "grasp the actual meaning and intents of the authors", some grasp the fruit of what they wrote.

It “means grasping the actual meaning and intents if the authors” regardless if it’s 2000 or 3000 years. Anything short is just your interpretation.

budaatum:
We are discussing what we can both clearly read in a book, unknown. Not what we make up in our heads, but if you want to convince yourself "poison in the fruit that triggered the decay that eventually killed them" 800 or so years after they ate it, so be it for you, but pease know I do not hold that understanding with you.

You act as if you didn’t make up the slave part in your head. Yes, they did eventually die regardless if its 800 or 8000 years. Just like you made them slaves even though the text doesn’t call or imply slavery, I can make up slow acting poison that killed them 800 years later.
Besides, this is not my interpretation of the story. I’m just doing the same thing you do.

budaatum:
It is way more than just an allegory to me, is my own point. And my so called interpretation as you see it, has not yet begun to cover my understanding of it which you have not yet explored, mind.

Your interpretation is we known in this forum.

budaatum:
Now, does that not sound like they got smarter, to you? They even made clothes of fig leaves to cover their ignorance, or rather, unclothedness.

The lord made clothes for them to clarify. But they did get smarter if leaves are better than bare bottoms.

budaatum:
You asked a question and got God in response. Deal with it or not unknown.



What "orbs" "doth the sky"?

Sorry. Dot the sky. Stars and planets as in the mythical genii of the stars and planets are the lord, gods,etc

budaatum:
Understanding is a comprehension gotten through the in depth study of a thing.

With religious texts, for instance, a deeper understanding would be gotten by those who consider the text historically, sociologically, mythologically, anthropologically, hermeneutically, philosophically, psychologically, mindfully, spiritually, humanely, etc etc etc, than one who reads the text and merely believes it.

Understanding just means grasping the actual meaning and intents if the authors.

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budaatum:
I am not claiming my understanding is the intended meaning, and that's why I make a distinction between interpretation and understanding. Interpretation implies that the text is only saying what I claim, while my understanding is entirely my own, errors included.

I trust you, you see. I trust that you can read the text yourself and see that the huge job that the humans created in Genesis 1 were written to have been given requires that they eat the fruits of trees of knowledge because if they don't, they could not possibly be in the image of the powerful intelligent creating God that we read created them nor would they be up to the task they were given because they would not have had the knowledge for it. I also expect it is obvious that Genesis 2 Adam and Eve have been demoted to naked gardeners, from "be fruitful rule over" Genesis 1 humans.

Known. If I put you in a garden, naked, and say, don't eat the fruits of knowledge, would I not be enslaving you?

And if I told you you'd surely die on the day you do eat it, have I not lied if you don't die that day?

I’m not really interested in your interpretation.