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QuinQ:
➜So how come they didn't let Zeus or some other god supplant Jupiter and their god-emperor?
➜They destroyed Judea completely and dispersed the people. Why would they be suddenly adopting their religion?
➜ So you see, you don't make sense because u are simply wrong.
➜ What simply happened was that Rome wisely tried to stamp out Christianity as recorded in history and the Bible. But in trying to destroy it, they ignited it more. What you are saying is an insult to the martyrs

. Here's an excerpt from WorldHistory.Org to help you with that.

From the beginning, Roman religion was polytheistic. From an initial array of gods and spirits, Rome added to this collection to include both Greek gods as well as a number of foreign cults. As the empire expanded, the Romans refrained from imposing their own religious beliefs upon those they conquered; https://www.worldhistory.org/Roman_Religion/

2. The answer to your question is in your previous comment. You claimed Constantine's mother was a Christian, did you not? Roman citizens had been adopting and even dying in the name of the new religion, and its power and sway among the aristocrats had become great.

3. I think it is instead that you are too stuck in the box that is your religious beliefs, and unwilling to step beyond it still.

4. I am afraid that is not history but rather your church's spin on History. The Romans fought to control the Jewish nation of Judah but found that the religion of the time kept getting in their way. And the religion in question isn't Christianity but Judaism, the same one that Jesus Christ of Israel disavowed by the way. That religion — not the Jesus Christ of Israel movement, mind you— is what ignited the match, which led to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. That is what is recorded in History. The other uprisings that took place after that were also linked to Judaism, not Jesus Christ of Israel.

The Jewish revolts against Rome were a series of uprisings that spanned from 66 CE to 136 CE, marking a period of intense conflict between the Jewish people and the Roman Empire. These revolts were primarily driven by a desire for independence and self-determination, fueled by resentment towards Roman rule and religious differences.
⚉ The most significant Jewish rebellion against Rome was the First Jewish Revolt (66-70 CE), also known as the Great Revolt. This revolt was sparked by a combination of factors, including Roman misrule, high taxes, and the defilement of a synagogue. The revolt culminated in the destruction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem and the siege of Masada, a mountain fortress where the remaining Jewish rebels were eventually defeated.
⚉ Following the First Revolt, the Diaspora Revolt (115-117 CE) erupted, spreading to Jewish communities in various regions of the Roman Empire. This rebellion, also known as the Second Jewish-Roman War, was largely suppressed by Rome.
⚉ The final and most devastating revolt was the Bar Kokhba Revolt (132-136 CE), which was led by Simon Bar Kokhba. This revolt was primarily focused on Judea and resulted in a bloody and brutal suppression by the Roman forces. The Bar Kokhba Revolt is often considered the most significant of the three, and it ultimately led to the suppression of Jewish autonomy and the dispersal of the Jewish people.

The Jewish revolts against Rome had a profound impact on the Jewish people, resulting in the destruction of the Second Temple, the collapse of the Jewish state, and the beginning of the Diaspora. The events of these revolts continue to be studied and debated by historians and scholars, and they remain a significant part of Jewish history and identity.

QuinQ:
➜Ok, Constantine decriminalizing Christianity was also fantastical stories cobbled up. So was his mother already being a devout Christian and the battle of the bridge. All cobbled up!
➜ What has the fact they were persecuted have to do with living past 70 AD

. But all of this here has nothing to do with the original Israelite movement that existed before the destruction of Jerusalem and then Judah, though. Constantine was a non-Israelite, and so was his mother.

2. The infighting that took place among the non-Israelite fathers of your religion of Christianity, which you have today, the same ones responsible for hijacking the original Israelite movement for their benefit, has nothing to do with Israel or what Jesus Christ of Israel established.

The importance of the mention is to show that after the destruction of Jerusalem, the narrative shifted abruptly from a movement of only Israelites to one that was solely controlled by non-Israelites— all of your so-called church fathers are non-Israelites —, a suspicious shift given that Jesus Christ of Israel warned His followers never to give that which is Holy — the Gospel— to the non-Israelites suggesting them incapable of handling that which is holy.

allthingsgood:
That's very careless and irresponsible statement, if he said so. All rulers are ordained by God..just because he's not your choice, doesn't mean he's not God's choice

Go get professional Psychiatric help before it is too late abeg!

QuinQ:
➜Nope. I said specifically the Jesus phenomenon - whereby the founder died a total "failure" without establishing anything at all, and even his closest disciples ashamed to be associated with him. That should have been the end of the movement and always is

Jesus Christ of Israel did not die a failure to his disciples, though. This never happened!

QuinQ:
➜ And why would they want to hijack Christianity??
➜ What suddenly happened to their own gods that saw them from victory to victory.
➜ What happened to their god-emperor that they worshipped?
➜ All of a sudden they wanted to hijack a religion that taught he was no god at all but a condemned lowly sinner needing salvation, and that all their gods were useless!
➜ Besides, every historical figure is legendised

The Romans had a habit of hijacking the beliefs and gods of their captors for their own purpose. To maintain full control over their captive nations, they needed control over the religious narratives and traditions of the people.. They did it to the Greeks and they did it to the Jews as well.

2. We all know what happened. The people were no longer enamored by the old gods and needed new, more powerful ones, and the next best thing was the Jewish craze.

3. From history, we know their god-king went as far as to pretend he had become a son of the God of the Jews to retain the attention of the people. We see that happening to this day with politicians aligning themselves with belief systems to gain or maintain relevance.

4. It would only appear all of a sudden to someone not aware of the history of the Romans.

5. Every historical figure? Not true!

QuinQ:
➜ These ones below...

In regards to the claims regarding the original disciples of Jesus Christ, those are fantastical stories cobbled together by the Romans -non-Israelites—for their selfish purposes. There is no evidence that any of the original disciples— all of them Israelites — survived or lived past the year 70 AD.

Barcalee:
The ones who will perish will still not listen

The pattern for women has always been that those who submit perish. There are examples of this everywhere you look since the days of our ancestors.

QuinQ:
➜See how you're not making any sense. So he was sent to SOME of the Lost Sheep of Israel not all??
➜ Also, you don't think Jesus would say exactly that, if that was what he meant. You don't think he knew how to say "every Jew" instead of "everyone"??
➜ Besides, SUBSEQUENT EVENTS made it clear what he meant. 99% of what Christ said is NOT in the Bible.
➜ He made it clear salvation would be thrown open to all believers in him!

What Jesus Christ of Israel instead said was that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. How did you arrive at Him being sent only to some of them?

2. But Jesus Christ of Israel(not of Jews alone) didn't need to say "every Jew". Additionally, the Davidic Covenant, which brought about His coming, a Covenant made by His Father, YHWH, already made clear to the people those to whom He, the Messiah and forever King, would be sent. So, He didn't need to posit His statements with "only jews" as you expected Him to have had to do for your sake.

3. Jesus Christ of Israel as the Word of God — Gospel —to those whom His Father, YHWH, sent Him to. If, according to you, 99% of the Gospel of Jesus Christ of Israel is missing, how did you arrive at this number? And where do you intend to get that missing 99% from? Or maybe I should ask why you keep pretending to have knowledge of the content of the missing parts of the Gospel? Just curious!

4. There is no record of Jesus Christ of Israel ever saying any such. So, where did you get this claim from?

McLizbae:
There are these two drinks vendors in my area both are Christians. Vendor A sells only drinks that are non alcoholic and Vendor B sells only drinks that are alcoholic.
BTW, I learned that the landlord of the shops will only rent it to a new tennant if s/he will agree to sell something different from what the other people in the shops are already selling.
Vendor A always talk about B as though she is the ungodly one for selling alcoholic drinks. But I have observed that vendor B does not open on Sundays at all, her reason is as expected for a Christian, "Sunday is a holy and sacred day. However, vandor A would have opened her shop latest by 10 am every Sunday for business just like every other day. So, in your personal opinion, who would you regard as a better Christian between vendor A and B?

The answer to this question depends on the pastor as he may have to consider such things as how much Vendor A pays his establishment in tithes and offering money, as well as gift giving, compared to Vendor B. If Vendor A gives none, then the vote might go to Vendor B, assuming he does pay something to the pastor's church. If none of Vendor A and B pays anything to the pastor, he might conclude from that that neither is a good Christian after all.

akwesenana:
LoL, the legendary junkie. So money for hearing aid is equivalent to that if porn? How much is porn sef? 🤔🤔

Call the cops when you have a problem with your neighbor. It is that simple!

QuinQ:
➜What huge power? Mention any other time in human history where this happened.
Rome HAD NO CHOICE!!! They did everything possible to destroy Christianity because they intuitively knew it would destroy their society as they knew it and their precious gods with it. Instead those who witnessed Christians being martyred became Christians themselves. Constantine's own mother and several of his generals were already Christians before he purportedly had his vision that changed his mind about Christianity

. This is false! The Romans did not destroy but rather sought to hijack the movement started by Jesus Christ of Israel in Jerusalem of Judah for their own political and material benefit throughout the empire.

The result of the attempted Hijack is the religion of Christianity, which you have even today. Yes, this is what the Romans did after the destruction of Jerusalem, the killing and exiling of the remnants of Judah to foreign lands, and eventually the erasure of the land of Judah itself, all mostly between 70 AD and 140 AD. There is no record that any of the original disciples survived the destruction, lived past the year 70 AD, or visited Rome, but the Romans came up with tales of some supposedly serving and going on to pass the baton to them — the dogs, aka non-Israelites— supposedly unaware that Jesus Christ of Israel specifically warned His Followers against doing exactly that.

Zonefree:
About 19 years? Can she swear "oath of loyalty" in a strong deity? If NO, there's nothing emotional about the reunion.

Can he do the same?

QuinQ:
➜Christ said he would not lose "any of those whom the Father has given me", do you think he meant Israel. Definitely not. Israel was sacked and dispersed shortly after he said this so he definitely did not mean Israel

Take time to reason the content of the passages where you got the statement in bold from.

Who are those whom His Father gave to Him — the Lost sheep of Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel acknowledged this, going as far as to warn His followers to stay away from the non-Israelites, declaring them a breed unqualified to handle that which is holy. Where Jesus Christ of Israel declared He would not lose any of those whom the Father had given to Him, whom else would He have been referring to? Again, the Lost sheep of Israel.

Ding, ding, ding!!!😐😐😐

agabaI23:
➜The day you will encounter him, your tone will change. What you said is just what you wish it to be. Facts cannot change from being facts just because someone disputes it.

Encounter auditory and visual hallucinations? I have, numerous times, too. These phenomena are in no way unique to your religion and have nothing to do with one having a god-delusion or not.

damosky12:
➜Okay. Israelites don't return to dust as per they are made of metals...

The reason I mentioned them is because according to their book, those of them who are able to drink from the fountain of living water, that was once denied all mankind, would gain an after life — life after death— and hence not be subject to the same rules as those who don't gain it.

mysticwarrior:
➜ Does it also applies to Buddhists and Hindus?

If you investigate the history of both religions, you would find that the concept of life after death and eventually of the soul came in so many centuries after the original beliefs were made popular.

Switruth:
➜can you remember anything when your mom dropped you safely on your first cradle bed? I need a subtle answer before you fall into a trance.

No, I lost connection to much of that memory. But I am aware that some can remember even their time in their mother's womb. What does that have to do with anything?

QuinQ:
➜1. & 4.) Salvation was thrown open to all primarily via Paul whom Jesus commissioned to do just that through a vision. Also, Judea and the temple were destroyed. All per that parable
2. & 3.) See the relevant part of the Bible below. Jesus was clearly not talking about only Jews. And SUBSEQUENT EVENTS (till today!) bear that out!

Stop lying! Jesus Christ of Israel NEVER said He came to save mankind! 🙄🙄🙄

2. Stop posting religious gobbledegook as relevant!

Also, none of the verses you quote support any of what you claim, particularly since Jesus Christ of Israel already established that He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel....It would then follow that WHOEVER would refer to those of the lost Sheep of Israel to whom His Father sent Him. The scope of His relevance was established by His Father as the Lost sheep of Israel. So, every statement He made was to them and for them. That is simple sense from everything contained in the Gospels.

The same Jesus Christ of Israel went on to warn His Followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs — Non-Israelites — implying their inability to handle it.

Goodnewsforlife:
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And if his wife decides to get a side-dick in order to compensate for something OP may himself be lacking in, na una go first complain as well. Nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄

OP, if you come to the conclusion that you must have a side-chick, then the first thing you might as well get a divorce first.

QuinQ:
➜ With all due respect, you are wrong. Subsequent events prove you wrong.
➜ And you can't say God didn't know that Israel would get sacked and dispersed and Christ salvation opened up to all who believed in him.
➜ Christ said he would not lose "any of those whom the Father has given me", do you think he meant Israel. Definitely not.
➜ Israel was sacked and dispersed shortly after he said this so he definitely did not mean Israel

1. What subsequent events?

2. Actually, YHWH Himself is responsible for the eventual division of His original nation of Israel, the eventual exile and destruction of the second nation of Israel, as well as the eventual destruction and exile of the sister nation of Judah. The books describe it all as being orchestrated by Him as judgment against the people of Israel. However, nowhere in the books is it written that YHWH sent Jesus Christ of Israel to give salvation to all of mankind, no matter how many of them pretended to believe in Him. Why? Because YHWH's Covenant, which promised the sending of the Messiah, was specifically tailored towards the gathering of the lost Sheep of Israel back to Himself and His Holy Jerusalem.

3. And the same Jesus Christ said that His Father sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel. One does not have to have a Ph.D to realize that those who were given to Him are the people of Israel.

4. Why would Israel have needed to have been sacked and dispersed shortly after Jesus Christ of Israel made that statement? I am afraid I am lost.

As an FYI, the second nation of Israel was destroyed and the people exiled from their land by the Assyrian army around 720 BC, that was hundreds of years before Jesus Christ was born. The sister nation of Judah was sacked and then destroyed — renamed Palestine eventually — beginning in 70 AD. I am just attempting to give you an idea of the history around the time of Jesus Christ here.

QuinQ:
➜It really doesn't matter the particulars of the parable, the idea is very clear
➜- the banquet went to those for whom it was not initially intended. Who would that be
➜Bottom line, you can say what Jesus said but you can't say what Jesus NEVER said

You indicated in your previous comment that it mattered the particulars of the parable, and that is why I had to drill down to reveal to you tjoiughts fail when you in fact parse the details. The story was about events that took place in a particular kingdom between a King and his people, not people of other kingdoms or mankind, as you claim.

2. The story is clear that those formerly invited from his kingdom pissed the king off leading to him choosing to extend the invite instead to the poor and disenfranchised of his people. We know who those are.

3. Again, Nonsense! Jesus Christ of Israel stated that He did only the Will of His Father, YHWH. He also said that His Father gave Him his people.... He did not choose them of His own. And so, when Jesus Christ of Israel said His Father, YHWH, sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel — the bloodline of Jacob, this was before He later declared that His Word is Everlasting — never changing. We can clearly state that Jesus Christ of Israel could not have changed His mind without risking being seen as a fraud.

QuinQ:
➜Like I said 99% of what he said never made it into the Bible.
➜He said what you mentioned at one point, then he later gave a parable about a man who invited his rich friends ("bloodline" to a party but none of them showed up. The man then threw the party open to all (mankind)

.1. And as I said, you are wrong to assume that all He ever said would have needed to have made it into the book before one could conclude that He never said such a thing.

2. I see your little lie there.

The parable you pretend you refer to actually goes a lot differently from what you claim here. First, the wedding feast was thrown by a King who then invited people in His kingdom — no indication that people from faraway kingdoms were invited. The day of the feast arrived, but those who were invited — sounded like the nobles —were a no-show; they even killed the servants sent by the King to invite them to the party. The king, furious, sent his army out, had them all killed, and burned their cities— no mention of him sending his army to invade other kingdoms and starting wars in other lands over this. Then he instructed His servants to go to the street corners to bring in those people instead to His banquet, which was already ongoing. This is a summary of the parable in Matthew 22 vs 14.

So, my question is, where do you get that the King of this Kingdom threw the party open to all of mankind? Where do you get this notion that mankind resided on the street corners of this King's kingdom?

Kobicove:
➜Madam this is Nigeria not America, here we don't call the police over every little transgression

And that is partly the reason why the Nigerian police, rather than develop, remains the incompetent setup it is today. When I was a kid in that same country, the police were a more effective group, even in my own little town of Ikorodu back in the days. Anyone who lived in Ikorodu back in the 80s/early 90s could attest to this. People in the communities knew their police officers well.

QuinQ:
➜Your reference is the Bible. Where in the Bible does it say that Jesus NEVER said he came to save mankind??

The accounts in the Bible indicate that Jesus Christ of Israel, in submission to His Father, God of Israel, limited His scope to the bloodline of Jacob. He proclaimed that He only did as commanded by His Father— what He saw His Father do, too — without mincing words, that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Last I checked, that ain't mankind.

QuinQ:
➜I said you have no way if knowing if Jesus ever said he came to save the world mankind. ( You were so sure that you wrote "NEVER" in bolded capitals!)

And I said you are wrong since Jesus Christ of Israel made it abundantly from even that which is recorded about Him that He could not have said any such.

QuinQ:
➜I'm confused. Said what things?

You commented without a clear understanding of what it was you were commenting on?

QuinQ:
➜Probably 99% if what Christ said in his 33 years on earth never made it into any book

I have never said such things myself, and I am much older than Jesus Christ of Israel was at the time of His death. And I could never utter such ridiculous words even if I live to be a hundred or more. So, do we just assume that He may have said it for the sake of simply assuming that He may have? :-

QuinQ:
➜How do you know?

I read the books, and it is never recorded that He ever did that.

RealityKings1:
➜So when a babalawo performs his miracles, why do you call him a sorcerer?

Because he is a sorcerer?

RealityKings1:
➜So where does the intelligence to practice sorcery or magic come from?

Doesn't it come from the various traditional beliefs compiled, possibly over generations?

RealityKings1:
➜Who is a sorcerer?

A Sorcerer is anyone who practices sorcery or magic.

arantess:
➜you no get problem for this world. All your topics na woman matter. Kudus to you.

It's called obsession!