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Eriokanmi:
➜So, what more proof do you need...visiting the octogenarians and my sis inlaw who witnessed the incident and interview them in person
➜or exhuming the victim's body and breathe a life into him so you can interview him?

Your story does not place them as witnesses but rather as those who concocted much of the uncorroborated tales which you so gullible accepted as truth. For example,
⚉ The woman whose husband supposedly somersaulted 3 times right after having sex with her never saw anyone place magun on her, but was somehow certain magun was responsible.
⚉ The mother of the deceased, who cursed her son to seek out and kill the one responsible, chose to believe that a man who died in the community only days later had to have been responsible, without there being any direct connection
⚉ Those who supposedly witnessed the second man's death — you didn't even bother to corroborate that end of the story— told the mother of the deceased(since I doubt she or anyone in her household witnessed it themselves) claimed he mentioned the name of the dead man before he died, which sounds a little too convenient.
⚉ And then there is you coming to tell us that because those two women claimed it is so, then it had to have been so.

It all comes together like an episode from Tales by Moonlight to me. Also, it is kind of far-fetched to believe that when a person dies, the person levels up to become a killing machine to be used by those who are still living. Doesn't it? If that were the case, why do people even bother training armies or hiring snipers and the lot? 🤔

2. At this point, you could exhume the bodies and have them autopsied, check both men's medical records of history to ascertain what in fact killed each one, and then go back through the details of the stories told by all parties involved so you can eliminate the many holes that the story seems riddled with.

Eriokanmi:
✓ My inlaws aren't liars, likewise my sister inlaw who witnessed the event of first story I told you.They're still alive till today in their 80s while my sister inlaw is in her 60s.
✓ My problem with you is your mindset which was why I decided not to engage you further. To you, everyone is a liar just because the event never took place in your presence, it's very bad

1. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I am just supposed to believe you got this, abi? 🤣

2. The problem here isn't my mindset but your inability to provide proof for all of the claims you have made so far.

And no, it is not to me. Humans are by default liars... We tend to dissect things first from a subjective-generally false -- perspective before we then approach the more objective aspects, if at all. Those who are close-minded tend to completely ignore the objective, focusing more on the subjective. These people tend to lie a lot.

Krismas:
1. Your speech is near meaningless
1. I think u trying to say there are established standard for water? Sure.
But knowledge of such standard is even more important. Its like the law, though written in black and white, yet a lot of people are oblivious to their rights and privileges. Its possible you are oblivious to the standards surrounding voodoo attacks.
2. Unlike you, all my research into the matter shows its highly credible, Voodoo attacks of retaliatory nature.
And i can even buttress with instances

1. Wrong! My initial statement was in the atomic structure of water -- H2O-- elemental composition of water. That there exists heavy water --- H3O---in some cases does not change the established base. This is nothing to do with laws. 😐

Also, your insinuations regarding contamination does not change the elemental structure as there is no evidence to show it even possible.

2. And I have continually asked you to provide this proof you have. This is probably not the first time you have engaged me on this issue. So why haven't you been able to provide this proof for these credible cases you claim to have researched?

Eriokanmi:
All these for me? Na wah. Can't even read. It's not compulsory you believe simply because you're not there in person when the event took place as narrated by witnesses ok? You may now rest

What witnesses? Trading dem-say-dem-says does not make one a witness. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Osgilliat:
✓ It’s not the spirit that is not allowing him to rest, the supposed killer has developed PTSD. That’s what is making him restless.

Thank you for pointing that out.

These are small crimes. Let's wait to read the more terrible ones. 😐

Maobichek:
➜ Good morning, here and in most African countries, men are constitutionally, socially, emotionally, religiously required to provide for their homes. Having said that, i once work under a boss who was a woman and she earns like 50% more of my monthly take-home, her husband wasn't doing so well but it's rare ok because men are ment to provide everything.
➜ I personally salute women who do more than is expected of them but they are few and more than 50% of them are they ones complaining in the social media about it because they believe that it's abnormal ok.
➜ Our world is such that a woman without job or any sourceof livelihood will comfortably marry but that won't be heard of a man.
➜ The first two (2) questions to every lady intending to marry are: 1. Do you love him? 2. What does he do for a living?

The Constitution also makes clear that crime is unconstitutional, but Nigeria is currently being run by criminals. So, what does it matter what the constitution says at this point when the reality of things is that it is not respected?

2. Almost 50% is not a few. And mind you, this number is being conservative as women are known to engage in hiding the shame of their husbands in that same country too.

3. Lies! I have never known or seen such a world in Nigeria.

4. So, never mind that almost 50% of reported homes are run by the woman, you would rather continue to cling to deluded ideas regarding what men do and the place of men, abi?

Krismas:
➜ Water? What you are implying is tantamount to saying since all the waters you have drank so far are contaminated, then ALL WATERS EVERYWHERE IS CONTAMINATED. Which is fallacy of hasty generalization.
➜ You can only vouch for what you know, stretching it too wide or extrapolating your tiny experience over the entire discuss, with such reckless confidence, is to perpetuate falsehood. If i sleep with a number of virgins and the experience was largely unsatisfactory. That does not mean ALL VIRGINS are sexually unsatisfactory. Or else i might endup, like d fellow on the brink of mental meltdown, persistently advising DNA testing on NL, cos to him, boreholes cannot be trusted!

Wrong, given that tests have shown that contamination is not the same at all, as contaminants vary from situation to situation. Your little assertion there fails. Generalizing the elemental structure of water is not considered hasty at all. Rather, it is akin to setting a base standard by which all other proposed ideas can be tested or measured against.

2. Sure! I already vouched for what I investigated and know. Now it is up to you to prove that what you know is different from what I have established so far. This is simple!

Newgoodkk:
➜ I see , Only Israelites would make Paradise , Answer My Question...Just Answer my Question.I Repeat .
Heaven ( Paradise ) Whatever Interpretation you Personally give it & Hell .These are the Two Places . You mean only Isrealites that would make Heaven ? Yes or No

Wow... It seems you have been stripped of much of your ability to comprehend the language after all.

Morizo:
➜Let's leave it at that please...but if anyone from such cultures was here then it's easier. Some Metaphysical and paranormal activities are not easy to explain. It doesn't have it's roots in science so an investigation might not be conclusive.
➜ So do you think the ritual killings in Ogun and many states are just for fun? Or to invoke certain spirits into the bodies of the living for power or protection. Why did you think government haven't passed a law specifically for ritual? Except Soludo recently.. Probably cos it can't be proven in court except the murder aspect.
➜ You might not believe in the presence of spirits but I do cos of a boyhood encounter that left me with an indelible mark till date. Even in medieval Europe, the Roman Catholic church had special monks and priests called Exorcists. It wasn't for fun, they were using unorthodox methods to tackle malevolent presence in humans. Until it was outlawed by Pope Gregory (I think) when it was being abused.
➜ I cannot convince even myself that paranormal activities can be invoked in some cultures but it DOES exist

1. Untestable, meaning these things cannot be known for certain by the human mind, right? Leading to the conclusion that those who claim they know it are merely deluded in their reasoning. 🤨

2. Why would you think the Government would need to pass a law specifically for rituals? Aren't there already laws that criminalize murder, killings, etc? 🙄🙄🙄

3. Exorcists whose former patients used to occupy mental asylums but are now able to, in some cases, live regular lives thanks to advancements made in medical science, particularly in the area of mental health treatment, abi? 🙄🙄🙄

4. You can't convince yourself, but you are sure it exists? Is this an attempt at a paradox or what?

nosa2ekundayo:
➜U only say so because you never witnessed it... Again, those saying its real are not all dumb illiterates you know...
➜[b]Speaking of "facts" [/b]do you know that it's fact for a man born in the 20th century, that this has been the actual taste of the current Titus fish/coca cola in the market...to such a man, it's a fact! But to the older men, they know exactly what has changed and I hope you would agree with me that it is never their responsibility to open the head of a 20th generation man and stick the difference in there...if they got a spare time, they would just notify the later.
➜There is nothing they can do to change the "facts " such a 20th generation man wields.

1. 🤔

2. I don't agree! 🤔

3. Facts are not established by way of one's memories or emotional response to a situation but by reality of things at the time of the events or experience. Facts aren't subjective notions.

gerizzim:
✓ Let me ask you, how well do you tink you can prepare for life emergencies. that man case had a trajectory that went beyond his financial budget at dt moment.
✓ Not really dt He didn't make provision for planning.He was hard hit and was negotiating for a relief not demanding or insisting to get dt service.

✓ shebi your Nigeria too dey negotiate for debt relief for financial demands when dem.no fit meet.

1. 1. People in other parts of the world prepare themselves even for death. Yes, they have wills and money stashed away to take care of things after their death. Death could come any moment -- second or minute--- but they are prepared for it 🤔

But here you all are awash with nonsensical reasons about how you should not be expected to prepare for the birth of a child whom you conceived and had about 9 months to prepare for. Do you not realize how very utterly pathetic that sounds? 🙄🙄🙄

2. Negotiating for what relief? Are you people OK at all? 🙄🙄

3. That man and woman are responsible for the death of that child. Negotiating after the fact when they had about 9 months to plan whatever relief they would need is a terrible excuse. Don't bother responding abeg!

Ylomo:
✓ Like it's easy to gather 500k like that in this economy, What happens to saving the life first at least they won't be allowed to leave until they make payment and he promised to seek for fund I'm sure what the hospital will do immediately to save her can't cost up to 500k
✓ I pray it won't happen to you or any of your loved ones and just bc you or I have 500k to bring out
✓ immediately does not mean everyone has it, so person wey no get 500k now should not give birth na wa o.

So, the hospital should keep the woman hostage within its faciliy, probably occupying a bed that should instead be rented out to paying customers while the husband decides how much he can bring when and the hospital continues to take a loss? And someone said that entitlement mentality can't really be found among the poor?🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. Shove your prayer up your arse there. The reason it can't happen to me is simply that a stewpid or an imbe-cile. 🫤

3. If you can't afford to have a child, why should you think you have a child? I mean,why are you people simply unable to make even many of these simplest of rational connections.

DJInfluence:
✓ She's grieving. She's allowed to do or believe in anything that will give her solace.

Her son is death and the person responsible is probably out there roaming free and probably happy. She is allowed to grieve as she wants but this public display of obvious cowardice. This attempt that pretends the dead can be made responsible for obtaining justice they require in the land of the living should be condemned for the farce that it is.

Krismas:
➜ That is your experience, so why do you have to generalize? All the claims were untrue in ur community does not mean there is definitely no truth about the matter

1. I haven't always lived in Ikorodu, you know. I spent time living in different parts of that country too — experienced different cultures/traditions. And what I came to realize was that the pattern of beliefs and cover-ups was pretty much the same everywhere you went. I didn't need to generalize to realize this myself. At the root of it all lies the same general idea... avoidance of truth and need to cover up for lack and incompetence.

The very same way you do not need to go around with a cup and magnifying glass to investigate every water sample to figure out that water molecules are composed of the same elements and have the same general structure, one does not first need to experience every community in Nigeria to realize that the patterns across most all of them are pretty much the same. If you claim there exists an island somewhere were the water is completely different, please let know of it so we can investigate to learn the truth of it.

Next questions!

CharlieMaria:
How does preaching that she has other children help our salvation?Yet you gladly subscribe to such false teachings.

Was she not allowed to have other children, though?

Krismas:
how can you be so certain?

I grew up in Ikorodu, where these ideas were so commonplace. I investigated many of the claims myself and found that in many of the cases, the actual stories were not as claimed or spread by those who mostly wished to cover up the truth with those fables.

I remember back in those days, we used to be told that on Oro day, it was the spirits that came out. I discovered later that it was instead a bunch of rowdy individuals who did, and they felt the Oro day was their day to wreak havoc on any woman who did not obey the prohibition order of the day.

MosesAlex:
➜There is a common question, did Mary have any other children?
Many quote Mt 13:55 that list the brothers of Jesus.
See the identity of the brothers of Jesus so that so may you may understand that these are sons of Alpheus (Two of them are apostles).
The brothers of Jesus listed in Matthew 13: 55 are James and Joseph and Simon and Jude.
Gal 1.19 Identifies one of the apostles James as the brother of Jesus. (Note two of the twelve apostles bear James. One the son of Zebedee and the other son of Alpheus)
Luke 6:15: Says James father is Alpheus (not Joseph, ).
Luke 6:16: identifies the apostle Jude as the brother of James the less.
Mark 15: 40 Acknowledges that the mother of James the less is also the mother of Joseph. Hence James and Joseph are brothers. So with this we can see that James the less, Jude and Joseph listed as brothers of Jesus in Matthew 13:55 have been identified .
John 19:25 Identifies Mary of Cleopas(Alpheus) as the sister of Mary the mother of Jesus.( Note Cleopas is the Greek version of the Aramaic name Alpheus).
Hence the brothers are simply his relatives. Since their Mother is a sister to Mary the Mother of Jesus

First of all, your supposed point is quite hard to follow.

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⚈ Matthew 13 vs 55 does list Jesus Christ's brothers as James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, but it does not indicate that they were a part of his gang of disciples.
⚈ John 19 vs 25 instead indicates that Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ, and her sister, along with Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene, stood near the cross. It does not state that Mary(the wife of Clopas) was her sister.
⚈ James and Jude mentioned in Luke 6 vs 15 - 20 could not have been the blood brothers of Jesus Christ mentioned in Matthew 13 vs 55 for obvious reasons.
⚈ Mark 15 vs 40 mentions Mary Magdalene, Salome, and Mary the mother of James and Joses. (James was her youngest son.) as some of the women who were there at the cross that day.

Second, none of what is presented above can be used to conclude that Mary, mother of Jesus Christ, did not have other children. You may want to hold this view but none of the above serves as proof of this notion of yours.

patomberekpe:
The death know nothing, When one dies the Spirit return to God the body to dust,

From dust you were made; to dust you return.

Ikpunekenwa:
➜I thought gays have nothing with marriages, what is happening?

Are you sure you are OK?

binary01:
➜whats dead is dead, there's no karma it doesn't exists in this universe, thats why good things can happen to "bad" people and bad things to "good" people. the universe is a blind intelligence and morality is an illusion we humans invented, if she wants justice for her son then hire a hitman with a gun to take out his killers or get them arrested by the authorities. or just accept the loss. out of these options, nothing else would work.

Well, does she really want justice?

Morizo:
➜Don't call it fallacy cos you don't know. It's work In Some cultures and it's an ancient method of justice. The cutlass and broom will have gone through incantations by either a chief priest or the most oldest person in the family tree the deceased comes from. The broom and cutlass are cooked with spells.
➜The reason most cultures in minority riverine areas of south south stopped it was because the spirit sometimes return back to the community to be crying after completing the task and people sometimes see him or her in the bush or at night on different spots. It happened in my village over 20 years ago before the paramount ruler outlawed it.
➜But even now we heard few people do it at night when not satisfied with the death of their loved ones. They bury them at night

. Where is your evidence that it worked in these places you claim?

2. A spirit came back to the community after killing how many people in the same community? What is the name and address of the person whose spirit returned? What is the name of this community it returned so we can conduct an independent investigation of our own?

3. Yet Nigeria remains one of the injustice capitals of the world?

Eriokanmi:
➜ When someone is running up and down mentioning someone's name and saying. please, please don't touch me, im sorry...until he fell, what more proof do you need?
➜ Must the event happen in my presence before believing, despite confirming it from nearly all members of the family of the victim who were present when it happened?
➜ Am not an entertainer, neither im inhere ti convince anyone. I don't believe things just like that. Those 2 scenarios were true, believe it or not

1. When someone is running up and down, the last thing you should do is jump to conclusions without evidence. I recall back during my childhood, it happened that a friend of mine woke up one day screaming from the top of his lungs about how the witches were out to get him, apologizing for bad things he had done. Everyone around was unnerved by it, some even concluded this friend was of the occult. It turned out he had a high fever and was experiencing what is known as delirium. Of course, that did not stop some from that day on from spreading rumors about him having occult connections. It was all so sad, really. I was probably 11 around that time and quickly realized how utterly ignorant many would rather choose to live their lives even in the face of evidence.

2. It does not need to happen in front of you, but you need to be sure to confirm the claims made. According to the magun myth, only the one married to the man can put this supposed thing on the woman he is married to. At least this used to be the tale back during the 80s and 90s when I first started hearing of that nonsense. According to the myth, Magun was used by husbands in blood ties to seal their marriages, well, at least their wives, against adultery, and death would take place as the man penetrated the sealed woman.

But here you are telling us that magun— is this one an upgrade from the old magun, magun 1.0— can now be placed on a wife by a stranger, and the husband of said woman could become a victim. Not only that, this magun has the special ability to cause a man to somersault 3 times after sex — not during — before he then succumbs.... this story don tire me abeg!

There are just so many more questions, but many of the same old holes that existed back when I was a kid with no answers until even now.

3. Na only entertainers dey spread lies?

Eriokanmi:
➜I didn't coarse or compel you to believe it.
➜I only told you such events do happen cos I was.close to those it happened to.
➜ If you can't believe this how can you even believe what an ifa oracle said concerning the magun victim?
➜ In your mind, nothing like that exists so how would you believe an ifa can also confirm any case in the first place?

1. You can't even come close to doing that because I heard stories like this during my younger years in Nigeria, and I investigated a lot of them and found them to be nothing but cock-and-bull stories.

2. They don't happen! I heard a lot of those magun tales growing up, too, but when I dug deep down into many of them, I realized there was no substance to any of them— na all dem-say-dem-say tales.

3. Hold up! How is your ifa oracle any different from the pastors, imams, and alfas? They are all the same! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

4. Nah! In my mind, a delusion is nothing but a delusion. Maybe something exists out there but one thing I am definitely sure of. None of you have ever really experienced it and none of these tales are tied to it.

Eriokanmi:
➜I know an indomie generation would say otherwise.
➜ In a town of ipoti ekiti. One man was killed by magun which was laced on his wife by someone who was eyeing his wife to snatch her. The man summersaulted 3 times after sleeping with his own wife and died.
➜ Out of anger, the mother said to his body that he must avenge his death within 7 days because her son was never a wicked man. In less than 7 days, the man who did it collapsed and died.
➜ He was running up and down chanting his late neighbour's name and begging.
➜ Nobody knew who was chasing him until he fell and ended it there.
➜ Last year August,I went to Ago Iwoye in ogun state to see someone. A similar event happened. The man whose elder brother died was the one I went to see. He said his brother had avenged his death by striking the man behind it. The mother was happy. She's a C&S leader These 2 scenarios weren't fabricated. I know the families myself.

Oh boy, here we go again! Storyland! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

2. Did you witness this man somersaulting 3 times right after sleeping with his own wife? Who decided it had to be magun on the woman and at what point was this decision made? Was it the wife who immediately insisted it had to have been magun or the mother of the deceased or whom? 🙄🙄

3. You said yourself that the magun was put on the dead man's wife by another man who was not even her husband. You all initially had absolutely no clue who did it even though you had somehow concluded it had to have been magun. So how did you figure out that the man who died within seven days in the area was the very man who put the magun on the dead man's wife? 🙄🙄

4. Oh, because he was supposedly chanting the neighbor's last name(not that it is not possible he could have been misheard by anyone at that), it therefore had to be conclusive evidence that he was the culprit? If I see a man experiencing what may be a psychotic episode, chanting a name( that happens to be stuck in his head during that episode), it means that he must have murdered an individual by that name? 🙄🙄

5. Nobody knew or saw who he was being chased by(assuming he was being chased), but you were all sure that his death was linked to the man who had died only a couple of days earlier man and the curse placed on the deceased by his mother. 🙄🙄

6. Even you, without witnessing or proof, are certain that a stranger who died several days later was the culprit? 🙄🙄

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Una case dey always tire person! If an autopsy had been carried out on the dead son, it would likely be that he died of cardiac arrest or maybe even poisoning by the way. And the other man may have died of medical problems as well, but this is Nigeria we are talking about, where people would rather placate themselves with the most stewpid of ideas all as a way of escaping responsibility.

Fearyourcreator:
➜Lolz! If you are like this in real life... Peace go far from you ooo

Peace goes far from those who are open-minded and accepting of the fact that every human has a right to happiness and freedom? 😑😑😑

Your upbringing must have been filled with numerous contradictions for you to believe that. 😶😶😶😶

hatchy:
➜It is because the black man don't think far from his immediate environment. The white man would have investigated empirically to get to the root cause of the death and avert a repeat. Here in black African every death is caused by one uncle or aunty somewhere. The blackman doesn't think more than what to eat. He is inferior.

I think it is more a problem of nurture, not nature. There are intelligent black men out there after all.

biafranrealson:
➜Foolish superstition. The dead stays dumb forever, decayed and turn to soil.She just wasted her money buying knife and broom

. That ritual is designed to allow the living to unburden themselves of the responsibility of finding justice for those gone. These people are quite aware that the dead can do nothing for themselves. But they would rather put up this charade to make people believe it ain't the case.

Newgoodkk:
I see , Only Israelites would make Paradise

. Did you learn grammar and comprehension in School? If you didn't, you should consider brushing up on it, as it would help you properly comprehend the content of that book, which your religious overlords would rather have you believing requires bogus interpretations.

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Jesus Christ of Israel did not employ the term saved or any of its synonyms in the context of that conversation on the cross with the thief hanging there beside him. Jesus Christ of Israel also did not allude to the man having any special benefits bestowed on that man beyond what Jesus Christ of Israel proclaimed would take place that very same day to the man and His person. Before that conversation on the cross, we learned from Jesus Christ of Israel that when the day when He would be handed to the foreigners came around, He would be found in the grave — He would die that day. Jesus Christ of Israel also insisted that He would be in the grave for 2 days after that — 3 days in the grave. It should then follow that when Jesus Christ of Israel announced to the man on the cross that he— the thief— would be with Him— Jesus Christ of Israel— in a place referred to as Paradise that same day what Jesus Christ of Israel meant was that the man would, along with Jesus Christ, die that same day.

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NB: in Paradise seems to have been used by Jesus Christ of Israel as a sort of euphemism as an indirect expression representing "the grave" or "death".

mmsen:
➜Anything you don't like. Anything that is verifiable is bullshit. All you want to do is argue, for the sake of it. Madam, go read a book.

I happen to be reading a book as we speak.

As for bullsheet, it has nothing to do with what I like or don't like... bullsheet is just bullsheet!

mmsen:
➜Women choose the men that they ultimately marry. Where is the accountability for her bad decision making?
➜ We only have one side of the story and it is very much a story at this point.
➜ Just because you don't like the truth does not make it "bullsheet". ....

1. Bullsheet!

2. You admit you only have one side of he story, yet you have conveniently concluded that this one side is the one to take all of the blame. Even more bullsheet!

3. I am simply not in the mood for more of your bullsheet claims, is what. 🙄🙄🙄

wiseone28:
Lol go and kill person pikin secretly and dey do the same thing to the corpse lets see if you will live to see December. Wokeness shït

SHoo fly.... don't bother me!