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danvon:
➜Lots of well educated bible scholars than yourself have confirmed it never happened it's not everything that needs argument.

How can anyone confirm for a fact something that is supposed to have taken place 1000s of years ago never happened? Come on now!! Make una dey take am easy with all of these una assertions abeg! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Omooba77:
How can you sustain your relationship with God in 2025?

Are you certain you ever had a relationship with this God, to begin with? If by 2025, you are not certain of how to sustain this supposed relationship, isn't that a clear indication that the relationship likely never was?

Godson1379:
Simple question. What does the present day country of Israel created in 1948 filled with European "Jews" have to do with the biblical Israel Jews who were even black to start with?

Is this an attempt to derail or what? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

The city of Jerusalem has been around for thousands of years. It was last occupied by the Jews back during the first century AD, and after that has changed hands several times but the location of Mount Zion, Mount Moriah, and all other mounts in that city have not shifted since even before then. So, what the heck does it matter who or what occupies the city today?

1AcrossTheEARTH:
➜The Prohets of Baal worshiped and believed in Baal because he was powerful... But baal must have been sabotaged and hence was unable to manifest when summoned.
➜Everything on earth is centered on communication and connection. Y[b]ou need to communicate or summon accurately to achieve connection : then your thoughts and desire manifest. [/b]
➜A good point of note is when Israelitsss call on their God and they still lose the battle. It's the same thing.
➜ Every God has its own time of manifestation Thank you

Baal was sabotaged by whom?

2. According to the Israelite Scripture, the many fails had to do with the people's refusal to follow their God of Israel — YHWH. To the Israelites, their God was not limited as far as communication window or time of day. So?

3. What has the time of manifestation to do with this supposed sabotage which you claim? Who could or would carry out such sabotage?

Trendingtopic1:
➜Lagos-based prophet, during a sermon Evang. Ebuka Obi made a startling revelation of how he turned down a whopping[b] 300,000 Dollars (that's over 495, 000,000 naira ) [/b]brought to him during his birthday as a gift from an undisclosed Abuja politician. His members applauded him for having the courage to reject the huge sum.
Evang. Ebuka Obi has demonstrated what a true man of God he is; he has proven that his loyalty to God can't be purchased with mere money.
This act is what we expect from our daddy GOs. They should reject Greek gifts from corrupt politicians in order to have the courage to call the politicians to order when they go wrong.Kudos to Evang. Ebuka Obi for leading by example.

But what is the name of the supposed Abuja politician who offered him the amount? Are we simply to believe this hogwash story without even a name?

decatalyst:
➜If I can't buy a pistol, then the firearm license is a total waste!
Imagine armed men with automatic rifles came to your hood and you want to face or defend yourself with an handgun! It is for goats or birds of the sky? 😪

This information is clearly not for everyone as one should not need convincing about these things.

Godson1379:
So in what form does he manifest himself to the believer?

Manifest? In what way? How did Jesus Christ of Israel tell you that He would do this manifesting which you claim? 😁

Over 2 billion Christians on the planet, many of them claiming to have been manifested to by Jesus Christ in one way or another yet not a single place in all of Christianity will you look to find the light of Jesus Christ shining from all of the earth. No be evidence say there many manifesting claims na lie lie? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Godson1379:
➜You got a map From the Internet in 2025 to explain the ancient Biblical city of David
➜Not only that but map of the false Jewish city of Israel established in 1948
➜I officially give up Kobo

Of course, I have to get a map from the internet in 2025 because the book you claim you believe— even though clearly you reject with all that is you— is meant as a historical account of a kingdom that exists on this earth. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

2. False Jewish city of Israel in 1948? Are you OK at all? 😂😂😂😂

3. Religious clownery! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Godson1379:
Zion is the eternal City of God and no force in Hell can change this fact.

So, according to you, David and the prophets of Israel. Equally, the current map of Jerusalem showing Mount Zion as part of Jerusalem is all false evidence.

You religious nutjobs & ignorance in arrogance are Siamese twins joined at the head, inseparable. 😩😩😩

Godson1379:
➜Wow upon all the lengthy words of explanation, not a single verse of Scripture was quoted?
➜I think I will have to leave you to your delusions and gobbledegook writings as this clearly looks like a waste of my precious time.

1. Of what value would it be to give you anything from Scripture when you DO NOT ACCEPT DIRECTLY anything that is written in the book? 😂😂😂😂

2. Again, your delusions and gobbledegook reasoning are not mine at all. Clearly, you should probably go find yourself another book to cling to because you are obviously against everything written in this particular one. 🙄

diamond68:
➜Any ideas ?
➜Some say the room gets very cold

What angel in your presence? Why would or should this angel grace your presence other than that of the 8,000,000,000 billion other people on the planet?

2. The room gets cold. Do you mean the angel is no different from a ghost or maybe a vampire? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Godson1379:
➜Zion is not a mountain but a place of Habitation for the saved Citizens of God free from any form of Oppression with Christ as the True leader and Head of authority. The ultimate new Jerusalem.
➜You can carry on with your delusion as the Scriptures has made it abundantly clear leaving no room for doubts or misinterpretation. You are the one arguing for argument sake with no coherence.

So, you blatantly reject the Israelite Scripture in its claims regarding what Zion in fact is? David, who conquered the fort and named it the City of David was wrong because you religious folks would rather give it your own ideas? 😂😂😂😂

2. You have conveniently made attempts to override the reality of things —scriptural records as well— all in order to assert ideas that have no basis in the logical sense. Clearly, the deluded one here is you!

Godson1379:
➜Okay, Enough with the Drama let me give you a brief exposition as the Spirit leads
Remember in the Scriptures, the word "Translated" was used.
Let me refresh your memory incase you missed it at Bible school classes
Colossians 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
What does "translation" mean this context?
It simply means mortality putting on immortality,
Fleshly putting on the immaterial, imperishable, corruptless form of the father and Son (the Word of God) as it was intended for Man before Creation and the very time itself began.
➜Now all of creation has been "Groaning" for the manifestation of the "Sons" of God. Who are this Sons? Well that's a lecture for another day.
In summary. During the ascension of Jesus after his Death and resurrection, he was translated to his eternal Form with all the powers of the earthly and spiritual realms handed to the rightful owner (Christ) by the Father with authority over all the earthly and spiritual forms of existences and beings as all things were created thru him and for him all for his pleasures.Are you still confused?

I am afraid you have completely lost me here. Mind you, I don't subscribe to any religious narratives that are, for the most part, attempts at overwriting the explicit content of the Israelite Scripture they claim to follow.

2. Again, Jesus Christ of Isreal is recorded to have been born of a woman and the Spirit of God to fulfill the promise of God to David via the Covenant of Salt which He made to the family of Jacob. The same Jesus Christ of Israel, when He rose from the grave, after His death, confirmed that His flesh and blood were intact even after the ordeal. The same Jesus Christ of Israel then ascended up into His Father's Heaven with His flesh and blood intact with a message that the same way He went on, He would return to them. I guess the simple question I should ask you at this point is why you completely refuse to accept the words of Jesus Christ of Israel in this case. The Kingdom belongs to Him and He is the rule of Law in it, and according to Him, He will return the same way He left. So, why do you disagree with Him on this? On what grounds?

Godson1379:
➜You said in your own words that "Zion is a Mountain in Israel"
Can you explain this verses then
Isaiah 12:6 Cry out and shout, thou inhabitant of Zion: for great is the Holy One of Israel in the midst of thee.
Isaiah 14:32 What shall one then answer the messengers of the nation? That the LORD hath founded Zion, and the poor of his people shall trust in it.
Psalms 14:7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.
Psalms 50:2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Psalms 87:2 The LORD loveth the gates of Zion more than all the dwellings of Jacob.
Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Isaiah 10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem. Isaiah 30:19 For the people shall dwell in Zion at Jerusalem: thou shalt weep no more: he will be very gracious unto thee at the voice of thy cry; when he shall hear it, he will answer thee.
Psalms 51:18 Do good in thy good pleasure unto Zion: build thou the walls of Jerusalem
Isaiah 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel.
➜To mention but a few as there are soo much more Where is the soo called "mountain" in Jerusalem in all this scriptures?

My very word were instead that Mount Zion—referred to as the City of David— is a mountain inside of Jerusalem.

2. None of the verses you quoted state otherwise. So, what is it that I am to explain to you since the verse I quoted earlier specifically draws the relationship between Mount Zion and Jerusalem for those who are ignorant to see?

3. You mean the Isaiah 2:3 is to be ignored? Even a look at the map of Jerusalem today confirms that mount Zion is a mount inside of Jerusalem but I guess that does not mean anything to do since you would rather hold onto religious delusions even in the face of evidence. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

Godson1379:
➜I mean this is common sense, to understand his eternal form , you have to understand clearly both the bodily and spiritual forms and how he intertwines the two in all it's glorious perfection still retaining absolute divinity and coherence. Remember, God is never a God of confusion and everything is made perfect by his eternal will and glory
➜In summary everything remains a mystery and the scriptures only scratched the surface.
➜The mystery of God will surely take an eternity to unravel it all and O boy eternity is such a long time

1. Nonsense! Why? Because as Jesus Christ of Israel Himself said, the same way He was seen going up into the Heaven of His Father is the same way He would return to His Followers. 🙄🙄

2. Rubbish! There is no mystery here to be seen as Jesus Christ of Israel clearly stated how he would return to His people — the same way they saw him go. 🙄🙄

3. Stop this religious rambling about mysteries when a moment ago you were insisting that his form before being born mattered to the grand scheme of things even after Jesus Christ of Israel Himself made known that it matters little to nothing whatever ideas one had of His former form as it was the form in which He ascended that He would return in. 🙄🙄

Godson1379:
"In Jerusalem on Mount Zion". Can't you see something is off from this your cherry picked scripture?

You are not making any sense at all. It clearly tells you that Mount Zion is a location inside of Jerusalem. But what exactly is the cherry-picking? Or maybe I should instead ask you why you want to reject what is clearly stated there?

Godson1379:
➜Just a Simple question will expose your obvious half truths again. What does the red bolded in the second paragraph say? [/b]"His teaching, the Lord’s message, will begin in Jerusalem on Mount Zion"[b] What does this mean?

Are you seriously asking me this question of yours?

Godson1379:
➜ It matters because it can give an idea on how he manifest himself to the believer, post, resurrection, ascension
➜and when he finally returns to the earth for the second time to Judge the world and it's inhabitants and reign as an eternal King for all of eternity.

That makes no sense! Why would or should it be based on his bodily form before his coming to earth and not on his form after He came to earth and then announced His Kingdom to His followers?

2. You don't like what is written in Scripture, do you? According to Jesus Christ, His return would be in the same way that He went up. Meaning that it has nothing to do with your ideas of his previous form before He came to earth — was born. 😏

RealityKings1:
1. I think the op is the person in the best position you should ask this
2. It's perfectly OK if you don't believe in any deity or factors. It doesn't change the fact that it's real

OP isn't the one who made the post below.

RealityKings1:
Sorry for Your experience I hope God straightens your path

2. This isn't about my belief but the fact that you attempted to gaslight OP who has confessed to specifically praying for an idea for over 365 days. Are you insinuating that OP's belief isn't real but yours is? Is that why you offered your own prayer in place of his many fervent prayers?

Godson1379:
➜Before Jesus came to Earth in bodily form, in what form did he live with the Father ?

Why does it matter what form He lived in before He came down to earth?

Godson1379:
➜ Can you explain this verse
Zechariah 8:3 Thus saith the LORD; I am returned unto Zion, and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and Jerusalem shall be called a city of truth; and the mountain of the LORD of hosts the holy mountain.
Are you still confused? I will really appreciate if we could go scripture for scripture and not blind arguments. Many thanks 🙏

As I explained in my very first post on this thread. Zion is a mountain in Jerusalem!

Kobojunkie:
...The Fort of Zion was a forte that was reported to have been conquered by David and then renamed the City of David, the place where the palace in Jerusalem was situated, and David is said to have reigned. The fort sat at the top of a mountain called Zion which existed in the city of Jerusalem alongside other mountains including Mount Moriah where the Temple in Jerusalem was eventually built.

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6 The king and his men went to fight against the Jebusites living in Jerusalem. The Jebusites said to David, “You cannot come into our city. Even our blind and crippled people can stop you.” (They said this because they thought that David would not be able to enter into their city.
7 But David did take the fort of Zion. This fort became the City of David.) - 2 Samuel 5 vs 6 - 7

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2. Solomon commanded the elders of Israel, the leaders of the tribes, and the heads of families to meet together in Jerusalem. He did this so that they could bring the Box of the Lord’s Agreement up to the Temple from the City of David, that is, Zion. -2 Chronicles 5:2

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Zion, the mountain, is inside of Jerusalem. So, Jerusalem, the city also includes the place called Zion which is also called "the City of David".

3. People from many places will go there and say, “Come, let’s go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the Temple of the God of Jacob. Then God will teach us his way of living, and we will follow him.” His teaching, the Lord’s message, will begin in Jerusalem on Mount Zion and will go out to all the world. - Isaiah 2:3

Godson1379:
➜So flesh and blood can be in many places at the same time in heaven and on earth? If I get you correctly?

I don't make the rules here regarding what can or cannot be according to Jesus Christ of Israel. Jesus Christ of Israel made clear that He is the beginning and end as far as His Kingdom and what applies.

gohf:
➜if it made real sense to you wouldn't that be shocking?

What is more shocking is that you expected that tripe to make sense outside of your mind.

Godson1379:
➜You want to add or takeaway from the word of God and heap curses on your self o poor Child
Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Can you explain this ?

You are in fact the one who has made the ridiculous attempt to add or take away from what is in fact written in the book. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

According to you, Zion is the New Jerusalem..

Godson1379:
For your information, Zion is the new Jerusalem and is the manifestation of God's supreme heavenly Kingdom here on earth.

...however, the verse you posted says absolutely nothing of what you claim. It makes no mention of Zion. So, what is there for me to explain when you are obviously making things up here?

gohf:
does your brain work in a way that adds to what I wrote? Or is this just faulty for this moment?

Up until this very point of the conversation, I have added absolutely nothing to what is written in that book. Merely stated what is in fact written in human language for all humans with basic language comprehension skills to glean. So, the problem you have here has nearly nothing to do with my brain.

Godson1379:
➜Spirit is spirit and flesh is flesh, no confusion betwixt the too. My argument is simple. In what form did Jesus ascend to the heavens in order to manifest his Glorious powers in all the believers?

The book tells you that Jesus Christ ascended to the Heaven of His Father, God of Israel, in the same form that He lived on this earth which included flesh and blood. So?

Godson1379:
Wouldn't mind a scripture to back up this your statement?

Scripture to back up the recorded account of Jesus Christ being born of the Spirit of God of Israel?

Godson1379:
➜For your information, Zion is the new Jerusalem and is the manifestation of God's supreme heavenly Kingdom here on earth.

Nonsense! Religious gobbledegook! 🙄

How can Zion, a mountain in Jerusalem, be considered the New Jerusalem a city filled with many mountains including Zion? Why are you folks resistant to knowledge? 🙄🙄

gohf:
➜in all your wisdom shouldn't your mind tell you why he shed his blood and also tell us why he would need more blood as well? 😔😔😔 smh

I am sorry but these questions of yours, rife with religious assumptions, make no sense to me.

gohf:
➜where in the book where you informed to take it literally?
➜Your brain which is or isn't programmed, doesn't know what Bethel means does it? Is it common for simple things to by pass you as well?

The book was written by humans using human tools and with the aid of the human mind in human language meaning that human language rules are to be applied. That is essentially where you get that commonsense deduction from.

2. You claimed that Bethel was the literal House of God. I didn't ask for the meaning of the word.

gohf:
➜blood that he shed 😮‍💨

So, a person who has shed his blood CANNOT obtain more blood? Was His bone marrow damaged —rendered impotent— by way of his death that they could no longer produce more blood cells for his resurrection or something? Also, did you confirm after His resurrection that He had absolutely no blood in Him at the time? 🙄🙄🙄