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OkCornel:
So when Peter and the Apostles elected to replace Judas, kindly elaborate on the leadership he was referring to here;
Acts 1
20 “For,” said Peter, “it is written in the Book of Psalms:
“‘May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,’
and,“‘May another take his place of leadership.’
21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us,
22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”
23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias.
24 Then they prayed, “Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen
25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.”
26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.

His place of leadership?

Matthew 19 vs 26-30 (ESV)
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26. Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”
27. Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”
28. Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
29. Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life.
30. Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future.

The 12 were, according to Jesus Christ, meant to sit on 12 thrones and judged the tribes of Israel. So with Judas, lost to the Kingdom, another had to take His place.

OkCornel:
Dear kobojunkiee, going by the above scriptures... was the Apostolic ministry a position of leadership in the church or not?

What did Peter allude to by referring MAY ANOTHER TAKE HIS PLACE OF LEADERSHIP, with regards to getting a replacement for Judas’ vacancy in the Apostolic ministry.

Church ke? Apostolic ministry ke? they barely knew what was next for them at the time.

daylay7:
Hello everyone,
I have been thinking alot about this and I need to find my bearing concerning the topic. I have been in a huge debt since 2018 and people have been telling me the reason I couldn't finish the payment is because I have not been paying my tithes.
So, I need help truly. Which one comes first? Can I be paying my tithes while trying to settle out the debt?
or I should just focus on canceling the debt first and tithe comes later.

People have been telling you?

OkCornel:
Were they leaders in the church or not. Were they overseers?

Well, we are called to trust in and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ and not what is written of His disciples instead. And going by the teachings of Jesus Christ, Peter and the others would never have appointed themselves as leaders or authorities over the flock that belongs to God.

Ezekiel 34 vs 9-16 (ERV)
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9. So, you shepherds, listen to the word of the Lord!
10. The Lord God says, “I am against the shepherds. I will demand my sheep from them. I will fire them. They will not be my shepherds anymore. Then the shepherds will not be able to feed themselves, and I will save my flock from their mouths. Then my sheep will not be food for them.”
11. [color=#990099] The Lord God says, “I myself will be their Shepherd. I will search for my sheep and take care of them. [/color]
12. If a shepherd is with his sheep when they begin to wander away, he will go searching for them. In the same way I will search for my sheep. I will save them and bring them back from all the places where they were scattered on that dark and cloudy day.
13. I will bring them back from those nations. I will gather them from those countries and bring them back to their own land. I will feed them on the mountains of Israel, by the streams, and in all the places where people live.
14. I will lead them to grassy fields. They will go to the place high on the mountains of Israel and lie down on good ground and eat the grass. They will eat in rich grassland on the mountains of Israel.
15. [color=#990099] Yes, I will feed my flock, and I will lead them to a place of rest.” This is what the Lord God said.[/color]

16. “I will search for the lost sheep. I will bring back the sheep that were scattered and put bandages on the sheep that were hurt. I will make the weak sheep strong, but I will destroy the fat and powerful shepherds. I will feed them the punishment they deserve.”

Jesus Christ echoed the very same in His teachings. So, we know that whatever was indicated of the apostles, either cannot be translated as it is today or the disciples went against the teachings of Jesus Christ.

John 10 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. So Jesus said again, “I assure you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8. All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9. I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need.
10. A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good.
11. “I am the good shepherd, and the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
12. The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd. The paid worker does not own the sheep. So when he sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
13. The man runs away because he is only a paid worker. He does not really care for the sheep.

14-15. “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16. I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future, there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17. The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18. No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.”
19. Again the Jews were divided over what Jesus was saying.
20. Many of them said, “A demon has come into him and made him crazy. Why listen to him?”

So, do you have it stated, anywhere, that the Spirit of God was indeed responsible for any of the disciples going against the teachings of Jesus Christ?

OkCornel:
1 Timothy 3 v 1-2;
1 Here is a trustworthy saying: Whoever aspires to be an overseer desires a noble task.
2 Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach

What’s your take on the above?

As for the above, well, we do not know of Jesus Christ ever teaching of any such or giving any such rules, so how can it then be of Jesus Christ when it is not of His teaching? Recall that we are called to obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ and His alone... He is the Law as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned. So any other set of rules that present themselves have absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ and His Kingdom... the following of man's doctrines and rules are forbidden.

NewSoul:
So I don't understand why most Christians and pastors wallow in sin. How can you say you are a pastor and you still smoke, drink alcohol, gossip, womanize? is it possible? because I don't understand again. You see a sister speaking effortlessly in tongues and then you see this same lady will a guy smooching with a guy at night by the roadside then after the act she comes and preach on social media and pray before sleeping declare Himself against such.
You see mothers in the Lord that have spent a long time in church still praying and collecting money from their sons that is into internet fraud.
Brother bursting and speaking in tongues on fire for God and preaching then at night he's watching pornography and masturbating.
Choir master in fornication scandal with a chorister. Why is this? that's why so called atheist make mockery of Christianity

Atheists make a mockery of Christianity?
On the contrary, it is "Christians" as a whole who mock Christianity. Atheists do not even come close when it comes to the level of ridicule that Christians inflict on the religion.

NewSoul:
Didn't the Bible say whoever commit sin does not know God because God can not sin but such is of the devil because the devil sinneth from the beginning.
Jesus also said "Verily verily I say unto you who ever sins is the servant of sin"
Is it possible for a believer to continue to commit sin and God will continue to use such an one for signs and wonders. Please I want to know

There is a saying that I like..."Let God be true and men, liars!", I think Paul said it.

Jesus Christ made it clear that those who love Him are not those who wear the "Christian" badge or can speak a "mean" tongue whenever they want to, but instead those who obey His teachings/commandments. He declared that it is inside of those that He and His Father come to make their home.

John 14 vs 23-24 (ERV)
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23. Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24. But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me.

In John 8, He proclaims that those who live as slaves to sin are instead of their father, the devil, and as such are children of disobedience.

John 8 vs 31-47
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31. So Jesus said to the Jews who believed in him, “If you continue to accept and obey my teaching, you are really my followers.
32. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
33. They answered, “We are Abraham’s descendants. And we have never been slaves. So why do you say that we will be free?”
34. Jesus said, “The truth is, everyone who sins is a slave—a slave to sin.
35. A slave does not stay with a family forever. But a son belongs to the family forever.
36. So if the Son makes you free, you are really free.
37. I know you are Abraham’s descendants. But you want to kill me, because you don’t want to accept my teaching.
38. I am telling you what my Father has shown me. But you do what your father has told you.”
39. They said, “Our father is Abraham.”
Jesus said, “If you were really Abraham’s descendants, you would do what Abraham did.
40. I am someone who has told you the truth I heard from God. But you are trying to kill me. Abraham did nothing like that.
41. So you are doing what your own father did.”
But they said, “We are not like children who never knew who their father was. God is our Father. He is the only Father we have.”
42. Jesus said to them, “If God were really your Father, you would love me. I came from God, and now I am here. I did not come by my own authority. God sent me.
43. You don’t understand the things I say, because you cannot accept my teaching.
44. Your father is the devil. You belong to him. You want to do what he wants. He was a murderer from the beginning. He was always against the truth. There is no truth in him. He is like the lies he tells. Yes, the devil is a liar. He is the father of lies.

By the way, Jesus Christ's Church is a gathering of all of those who Jesus Christ lives inside of, i.e. those who submit to and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - they are perfect in their following of Him. Your earthly churches are instead a gathering of sinners and others who have the desire to obey God but are generally misled by the doctrines and traditions that are your churches and their devices. So, if you are looking for them to be perfect anytime soon, think again for that will never happen.

DISCLAIMER: I don't condemn anyone who smokes or drinks alcohol since those are not listed as sins by Jesus Christ. While, I am not a gossip myself, and I sometimes wonder how those who do it can keep up with their stories, I am not against gossips either since not all gossips are lies and Jesus Christ did not

Donvic4u:
Hosea 4:6

Popular verse fragment, only do you realize what knowledge it was that the people lacked?

Hosea 4 vs 1- (ERV)
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1. People of Israel, listen to the Lord’s message. The Lord has something to say against those who live in this land: “The people in this land are not honest or loyal. They don’t really know God.
2. They are always cursing, lying, killing, stealing, and committing adultery. They murder one person after another.
3. So the country is like someone crying for the dead, and all of its people are weak. Even the animals of the field, the birds of the sky, and the fish in the sea are dying.[a]
4. No one should argue or blame another person. Priests, my argument is with you!
5. You priests will fall in the daytime. And at night the prophet will also fall with you. I will also destroy your mother.

6. “My people are destroyed because they have no knowledge. You priests have refused to learn, so I will refuse to let you be priests for me. You have forgotten the law of your God, so I will forget your children.
7. They became proud. They sinned more and more against me, so I will change their honor to shame.

From the above, God did not make it clear that what they lacked was not general knowledge but knowledge of His Laws and His statutes.

God never instructed anyone to hang on the doctrines and traditions of men through the reading of such things as daily manna...in fact, God is against such doctrines and traditions of men. So can you see how knowledge of the Laws of God might have helped you in this?

OkCornel:
So let’s take for a start then, what was Peter and the Apostles roles in the early church?

That depends on what you mean by "roles", they were sent out as Apostles by Jesus Christ, to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God to all the world.

OkCornel:
You’ve said quite a lot here though. If God calls one to lead his flock, I’ve got no problem with that. But anyone who is called by his or her belly is simply ravenous wolf among the flock.

God cannot call anyone to lead a flock that belongs to Him because God Himself declared Himself against those who led His flock in the past proclaiming that in His New Covenant, He alone will lead His own flock.

You have to get this into the thick of you. God cannot lie and so it must be that what He declared through His prophets, Words echoed by the person of Jesus Christ , the Truth of God, is true.

Either that or God is a liar and these men who claim to be called by God to lead His flock are telling you the truth.
And we know that if our source of truth is man, we are all doomed ...LOL

Jman24:
The best I could do for you now is postpone this exam, so you could have adequate time for research (from your Bible)

Let's say next week is rescheduled for exams.
Ask your predecessors, they would tell you.. I award marks strictly on instructions . You can also meet your course Rep for a copy of the good book if you are yet to get one.

You will wait forever on that one 2with your games.

Donvic4u:
I already have our daily manna
I need another

Why do you need those ? Of what true value is there for you to read what you supposedly believe is of your God according to schedules and doctrines of men?

Jman24:
So you give your examiners conditions?
Wonderful.

Your examiner doesn't wanna know how much labour you put in to grant his request from the good book.

I didnt ask you to examine me... you asked for proof and I did one better, I provided you one that came sourced from the Bible and a map of known land mass to boot.

If you feel the location of Canaan as described in the Bible is wrong, since you claim it is instead in somewhere Africa, then let me know what evidence you have.

Donvic4u:
I don't get your point sir

Why an app for your "quiet time"?

OkCornel:
Do you want me to give examples of God leading people to override His own laws?

In the New Covenant, sure, bring it!

Donvic4u:
Please aside our daily manna,
Recommend Android apps one can use for daily devotional.
Apps for 2021 please
Thanks

You need an App when you can simply say the "Lord's prayer" if you feel you need to and move on?

Jman24:
You are speaking too much grammar.
I'm your examiner. And I'm requesting a source from your good book

Wikipedia mined what it presents to you from the Bible... I am not doing any unnecessary labour where it is not necessary.

OkCornel:
If the Holy Spirit gives someone an instruction to give money to a Pastor or support his ministry, and it’s very clear it’s the Holy Spirit after testing the Spirits...should the person disobey?

Remember the God fearing Pastor (not the mammon hungry ones) is also your brother isn’t it?

The Spirit of God is bound to the teachings of Jesus Christ and so He will never go against the very rules set by God Himself, in the person of Jesus Christ - in anything. This fact needs to be clear so one is not easily deceived by the numerous spirits out there... Jesus Christ warned us about them too.

First of all, God is against anyone who installs himself as a pastor/shepherd over his flock. So your "God fearing" pastor is against God. Can sin be of God?

Jesus Christ said that those who love Him are those who obey His teachings/commandments, meaning that those who live in disobedience are not of Him and He does not live inside of them. In john 8, He outright declares that those who are still bound to sin are of their father, the devil!

My question to you is can Jesus Christ be right and at the same time wrong about these things?

OkCornel:
Don’t get me wrong o, I’m not against giving to church if it’s done out of a cheerful heart and you’re led by the Spirit to do so.

No one should compel or deceive people into parting with their money. Those that twist the scriptures to extort money from people have a special judgment waiting for them... for perverting the truth just as the devil usually does.

Did Jesus Christ ask that we give money to a church(business)?

No, He instead said we should give to our neighbor, which your church(business) is nothing of. He even went as far as to make it clear that you should take care of those brothers who are least - less than you are. So, again, He clearly does not command you give to your churches(busineses).

Omotakins:
As good as paying tithe is, emphasis laid on it these days is uncalled for. While Jesus was speaking against the attitudes of the pharisees and scribes in Matthew 23:23, He said, 'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone'. There are a lot more important issues calling for the attention of the church other than payment of tithe. Words like 'if you don't pay tithe, things will be tight', 'you are under curse if you don't pay tithe' and many others are not of the Lord. Ministers of God who crave for tithe are not looking unto God for their sufficiency but unto men making them come up with different means of making a merchandise of their flock.

I recently started paying tithe not because I was compelled by anybody or anything but out of my desire to trust God absolutely, finance included. This idea arose from the place of improved fellowship I'm having with Him. Financial trust and reliance in God can be shown through several means but I chose tithe and giving for obvious reason. It's borne out of my desire to give back to Him from what He gave to me. I feel good that way. Church should rather desire the spiritual growth of members. This brings spiritual understanding. For me, it is not a sin if you don't pay tithe. However, one likely may not be privileged to have the benefits attached to the principle behind tithing.

Am I to understand that you are still paying tithes to a church then? Or are you saying you give a tithes to your neighbor and anyone(person, not organization) or asks you for something?

I ask because there is a lot of what I call "worthless worshipping" going on with a majority of Christian's out there, worship/service that has nothing to do with obeying the actual comandments/rules that God has laid out for His followers to obey and so they amount to nothing where God is concerned.

God, through Jesus Christ, stipulated exactly what we are to give and to whom we are to give it. Also, God never stipulated that you give only a 10th and He never suggested a frequency to this giving He commands. Any worship or service that deviates from that which God has stipulated becomes worthless and meaningless to God. Worse, the following of such commandments/ideas of men are declared by God as being against Him.

falcon01:
Don't you get it?? if you dont Sin, It means Jesus died for Nothing.

Jesus Christ's death has nothing to do with your sins.

NewSoul:
It should be the reverse..Jesus died to eradicate sin, so a believer should be perfect without sin. If one still sins it means Jesus death is in vain, isn't it?

I am afraid that is not true at all. The death of Jesus Christ was never meant for the eradication of sin. No it wasn't!

Instead,Jesus Christ died to buy the Jewish sinners from the Old Covenant - He fulfilled the Old Covenant on their behalf by living and dying a righteous man, the only way to fulfill it. His resurrection was meant for the redemption of condemned man(gentiles from all the nations) from the "condemnation of sin".I.e. Death(perish in the grave).

Please abandon that false narrative fed you of how Jesus Christ died for your sins. Those who regurgitate that lie are themselves clueless as far as the Truth of God .I.e. Jesus Christ.

Jman24:

Because it is the authority book of belivers. Or don't you believe in the words?

So, the book tells you it is "authority", and then wikipedia's links explains, providing you with Map details of exactly where the "authority" points at, and you are trying to argue what again?

Does the information loose its "authority" sourced status if it is expanded upon by wikipedia's?

Jman24:
So you went to Wikipedia instead of your Bible?


Proof from the scriptures
I mean boundaries were set out in the good book clearly for you to see. So I'm requesting to search. There might be one located outside Africa

Why is proof from scripture the only acceptable source when the link there gives you the location from Biblical reference.

Canaan (/ˈkeɪnən/; Northwest Semitic: knaʿn; Phoenician: ���� – Kenāʿan; Hebrew: כְּנַעַן‎ – Kənáʿan, in pausa כְּנָעַן – Kənā́ʿan; Biblical Greek: Χανααν – Khanaan;[1] Arabic: كَنْعَانُ‎ – Kan‘ān) was a Semitic-speaking civilization and region in the Ancient Near East during the late 2nd millennium BC.
The name "Canaan" appears throughout the Bible, where it corresponds to the Levant, in particular to the areas of the Southern Levant that provide the main setting of the narrative of the Bible: Phoenicia, Philistia, Israel, and other nations
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

and if you clicked on the provided link, you would find

The Southern Levant is a geographical region encompassing the southern half of the Levant. It corresponds approximately to modern-day Israel, Palestine, and Jordan; some definitions also include southern Lebanon, southern Syria and/or the Sinai Peninsula.
As a strictly geographical description, it is sometimes used by archaeologists and historians to avoid the religious and political connotations of other names for the area.

Like much of Southwestern Asia, the Southern Levant is an arid region consisting mostly of desert and dry steppe, with a thin strip of wetter, temperate climate along the Mediterranean coast. Geographically it is dominated by the Jordan Valley, a section of the Great Rift Valley bisecting the region from north to south, and containing the Sea of Galilee, the Jordan River and the Dead Sea – the lowest point on the earth's land surface.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Levant

Jman24:
You still haven't answered anything (typical of an African)

Prove that Israel according to your good book is located somewhere outside Africa.

Consult the map attached for more details of the location of Canaan as contained in the Bible.

Canaan (/ˈkeɪnən/; Northwest Semitic: knaʿn; Phoenician: ���� – Kenāʿan; Hebrew: כְּנַעַן‎ – Kənáʿan, in pausa כְּנָעַן – Kənā́ʿan; Biblical Greek: Χανααν – Khanaan;[1] Arabic: كَنْعَانُ‎ – Kan‘ān) was a Semitic-speaking civilization and region in the Ancient Near East during the late 2nd millennium BC. The name "Canaan" appears throughout the Bible, where it corresponds to the Levant, in particular to the areas of the Southern Levant that provide the main setting of the narrative of the Bible: Phoenicia, Philistia, Israel, and other nations
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canaan

That's the same area that was under Roman occupation during the time of Jesus Christ.

@JackSparrow7, have you ever considered getting help for it as though a mental Illness. It sounds a lot like your mind is running a race that will eventually exhaust you and your health if care is not taken.

I honestly think it is best to first try to get the situation with our mind under control before it further escalates or worse, you loose your mind at that pace.

You seem to have some serious case of generalized anxiety going on there and it does not sound pleasant at all up there in your noggin. I don't know how long you have been struggling with this what you seem to call "mental diarrhea" but if it persists over this weekend, I suggest you run to the nearest psychiatric hospital to get yourself some, what I call, "peace of mind" treatment. There are many effective treatments out there, so do not fret.

You state that can barely focus on an idea long enough to understand and hence accept it,so how do you expect to believe? Your mind,or the state of it, is what makes it hard to believe or accept anything as true and that is why you are filled with doubts, and plagued with so much indecision.
So, don't worry about your belief or your "faith" at this time. Instead focus on getting your mind to a state where you can at least attempt a possible save through the seeing of a doctor.

Truvel:
What U Heard Is True. It's An Impartation Of D Holyghost/gifts Of D Spirit. Dis I Av Done By Laying On Of My Hands On People Who Later Manifested Dis Gifts. I Want To Know Ur Reason 4 Dis.

Impartation of the Holy ghost from one man to another?

Even Jesus Christ could not "impart" the Holy ghost from Himself to His disciples in all the 3 and half years He walked with them on earth but here we have ordinary men claiming they can impart God Himself into another man. You actually believe that the Spirit of God, the one who is to take control of and lead you, is lead by the directing of your hand and will?

Azammy:
dont ignore me please can you do an impartation Prayer’s for me even if it’s two days , I believe you’re God chozen and he will answer you I’m ready for it . This my other acc

But where do you get this idea that one person can impart these things to another in the manner that you suggest?

No man can impart anything to another man...it all comes from God Himself and God alone, and according to Jesus Christ. the only way to gain any of what is His is through the accepting and obeying His teachings and commandments. There is no other way provided as it is only through the Truth of God, obedience of Him that you can obtain the gifts of God.

Jman24:
You call them delusions. You may not be far from the truth.
But the good book points to the fact that those fairy tales (if you like) were of Africa. That's the point.
You can hardly twist this narrative


I challenge you to prove from your Bible that Israel was in a barren land of the so called middle East of today

Africa?

Where in the "good book " does God tell you that He moved Canaan, after Abraham , from the middle east to Africa?
Israel was in a barren land? Canaan was the name of the land God gave to the children of israel

Kayberg:
This ain't about conclusion, it's about accepting the truth we read from the Scriptures.
How can you directly twist it and expect to feed me that?
You see it, you read and yet rebuff. And you're teaching people same, making them believe their actions is OK (even when it is condemned by the Bible) but what they think before the action is carried out is not. A doctrine, which directly contradicts what even the LORD JESUS CHRIST Himself said.

Please.

It is indeed about conclusion and like I said, you are free to conclude as you want.

WorstWanderland:
Surely From Men Not God.
I Remember A Passage That Says:

So, what did you mean by the post....

WorstWanderland:
nobody is perfect

stinjoe:
When God created Lucifer, He created an eternal being. God did not create him to die or cease to exist, but to live forever. Ezekiel 28 tells how Lucifer was created perfect and then iniquity was found in him (see also Isaiah 14:12-15).

Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 18 have nothing to do with a "Lucifer" character but instead are dirges sung by God to Kings- King of Babylon and King of Tyre respectively.

Petro23:
If you are Christian, please read Wis3:1-3

What book is "Wis"?

WorstWanderland:
Sure!

Think carefully about it. You are told by God that you have to be Holy/Perfect for His purpose and this He tells everyone of His servants and those who go on to becoming perfect are then used by Him to doing works of Righteousness, works that please Him, God.

So when you hear, "it is impossible to be perfect/holy", do you think that message comes from God or from the deceitful tongues of men?

Jayrockk:
well if the forbidden fruit wasn't in the garden in the first place we won't be having this discussion, would we?

The forbidden fruit has little or nothing to do with him, you know. Try to think carefully of what really took place. Here is a creature who carried out, effectively, the plan and purpose for which he was made for Man's story.

Remember, he was created to serve a purpose and that purpose is what I believe he continues to serve, so why kill him for doing, probably well, that which he was made to do?