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Kayberg:
Matthew 15 (KJV)
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¹⁸ But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
¹⁹ For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
²⁰ These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

If you carefully considered those verses in the context they were given you, you would find that the message was of Jesus Christ telling of where that which is unclean to us (Sin) in fact comes from, and not defining for us what sin is in His Covenant.

As a whole, that passage was a warning against imbibing the doctrines and traditions of men which focuses on the observing of traditions(commandmenta) of men over the commandments of God Himself

sonmvayina:
Salvation that the prophet talked about is from physical danger...because at death,the body returns to dust and the spirit back to God who gave it. The consequence of mans choice is death. God said "my spirit will not dwell for ever with man,his days shall be 120 years(maximum)...it does not need to be saved from anything. It is God's spirit,it is pure....


Why is it difficult to understand or comprehend?

Salvation refers to the saving from the condemnation of sin(Death) , not to be confused with sin itself.

Paul was a Jewish sinner, even though he claimed to be of the Pharisee class - he was one of the walking dead. By choosing to believe in Jesus Christ, Paul was imparted with Jesus' Righteousness and Death(from Jesus's fulfillment of the Old Covenant Law of Moses), freeing Him, Paul, from every Old Covenant obligation, and granting him a new life(eternal life) in Jesus Christ, under a New Covenant.

Lagoon0:
Youve not listed the verse the bible regard king and concubine as adultery , you're recycling criptures based on the teaching against divorce.

Don't take us backward. Is that how you read your bible and understand?

LOL... I am afraid you are under some kind of delusion there. There are no separate rules for kings or nobilities where sin is concerned. It is the same Law that applies to all men. Recall, where sin is concerned, God is an impartial God seeing all men as equals.

Lagoon0:
Instead of long philosophy , show me the bible verse where @ your bolded was stated by God standard in the bible.
Your philosophy is driven by devoted emotions

Emotions? None of that here... I am strictlyfor adhering to standards as set by God Himself for us

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh. on a woman to lust after her hath committed. adultery with her already in his heart"(New Covenant Standard)

"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving. for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery:"(New Covenant Standard)

Lagoon0:
@bolded what chapter of the king James version did God prove this your standard

King James version? God's Laws and their declarations have nothing to do with your Bible versions.

God is God of Laws where His Laws serve at the standard as far as what is acceptable and what is not. There are about 7 Covenants/Laws spoken of in the Bible -we have the details of the 2 major Laws for to help up live the standard God has set for His own.

The Old Covenant Law of is defined in the Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy combined, whereas the New Covenant Law thatis Jesus Christ is found written of in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Both Laws exist separate from each other and are presented to different peoples but they are God's Laws nonetheless, and in them, you find that which is sin declared and defined.

In the Old Covenant, we know it is listed that adultery is listed as sin, meaning any sexual relationship outside of a marriage is sin.

In the New Covenant, we learn instead that lust, the covering of that which is not yours to have or desire is recorded as sin even before any sexual act is committed. Jesus Christ also declares that adultery is instead divorcing a spouse for any reason other than fornication.

So, look beyond your Bible translations and to God's Law where sin which is disobedience, is concerned.

Lagoon0:
Your argument is baseless from the beginning of times in the bible till date , a king or man can have wives and concubine , ladies with multiple sex partner are seen as prostitute by the bible.

Are you trying to say God has been bias towards women?

And herein lies the problem. You are willing to believe God is not against a man marrying more than one wife, you are unwilling to believe that the very same God also allows for a woman to marry more than 1 husband, suddenly placing the views of men above God's Word.

Even in bible times, male prostitution was not unheard of, so I am not certain if you are suddenly trying to feign ignorance so as to hide your close-mindedness there.

By the way, a king with concubines is an adulterer by God's standards. So do not try to let thy one skate by here.

Also, God is not biased against women that is the very reason He would allow even women marry for themselves more than one husband by the same token that He would let a man marry more than one wife.

Richwallet:
https://www.google.com/search?q=The+Hidden+History+of+Jesus+and+the+Holy+Grail+The+early+Christian+Church+leaders+adopted+scriptures+and+teachings+that+would+obscure+the+truth+about+the+royal+bloodline+of+Jesus&client=ms-android-americamovil-us-revc&source=android-browser&prmd=ivbn&sxsrf=ALeKk00JitxzKmLjHTS7dsHwldOuSZHfdg:1618958638197&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjriKT08o3wAhVwEFkFHX3oAmUQ_AUoAXoECAIQAQ&biw=360&bih=520#imgrc=rXKq0QguX6RRKM

There is no such thing as the holy grail...these are some of the lies created by the Roman's and the Europeans in order to claim legitimate control over the movement. Ofcourse they made attempts at fiddling with Christian history to this end, but the problem is there lies can be traced to recent times and not Bible times.

Lagoon0:
from the beginning of time men go to seek for ladies hand in marriage not otherwise.
Tell me where in the bible did a lady seek for a mans hand in marriage?
Forget today feminism and others, that line you're towing holds no water
Man heads and decide the fate of marriage not woman

I am not talking of feminism, nor am I discussing Bible times. I am simply stating what one ought also to accept even as one threads these paths.

Polygamy, be it the marriage of one woman to many men is as valid as the marriage of one man and many men, by the same token. And those who stand in support of the idea ought to support both cases for it would a sin to deny others that which you claim for your own self.

Richwallet:
No it's not. Rome stole Christianity and used it to mask their pagan Vodou religion which had become unpopular due to Christian Evangelism. The Empire was burning all the time from constant raids by Germanic tribes which are the Franks. If you don't read early age and medieval age from different sources you will always believe the Roman version. Romans are Africans who put White Jews on the throne and raised them up as the replacement Jews.

Rome's idea of Christianity, we all know, has little or nothing to do with Jesus Christ, and since the apostles and the first Christians had nothing to do with Rome itself, let's leave Rome out of this.

As I said before....

Kobojunkiee:
The apostles and first Christians were not born of the bloodline of this Mary that you speak of, rendering meaningless this assertion of yours.

OkCornel:
So when Prophet Nathan was sent by God to rebuke David, did God condemn polygamy there hmmm?

2 Samuel 12 v 7-8;

7 Then Nathan said to David, “You are the man! This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you from the hand of Saul.

8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you all Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.


Was God encouraging David to commit adultery? since some people’s understanding is faulty enough to conclude polygamy is also adultery. David was condemned for going after another man’s wife (Bathsheba the wife of Uriah) and not for marrying multiple wives! God even promised him more if they were not enough.... Instead of going after another man’s wife

I also wonder if the children of Bilhah and Zilpah (Jacob’s concubines) were illegitimate children and fruits of adultery in the sight of God. Why do we have 12 tribes of Israel? Instead of just Rachel and Leah’s children making up the tribes

Make una study scriptures and research properly ooo.
Cc: Lagoon0

I agree... God condemns adultery but not polygamy, it seems, and this from examples of men like Abraham, Jacob, among others - Not a single instance I have found of God condemning polygamy but one need not look hard to find numerous instances of God condemning adultery though.

And like I said, it is also possible, by the same token, that God is also not against women marrying more than one husband either.

Richwallet:
Glastonbury Myths and Legends | Joseph of Arimathea

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There are so many myths associated with Glastonbury that it is difficult to know where to begin to talk about them. There are two main streams of legend that surround Glastonbury, though they twine around each other to some degree. The two streams revolve around the romantic figures of Joseph of Arimathea and King Arthur. Let's take them one at a time.

Joseph of Arimathea 
Joseph was the Biblical figure who took Jesus' body after the crucifixion. According to some legends he was actually Jesus' uncle and had visited Britain years before with Jesus in the pursuit of his interests in the tin trade. It appears that there actually was a strong Jewish presence in the west of England at that time, and many of the tin miners may have been Jewish settlers.

At any rate, when Jesus died, Joseph thought it prudent to flee Palestine, and after many travails, he came to Britain with a company of followers. He brought with him the Holy Grail, the cup used by Jesus at the Last Supper. Some versions of the legend have it that the Grail contained two drops of blood captured from Jesus' side when he was wounded on the cross.

When Joseph came to Britain he was granted land at Glastonbury by the local king. When he arrived at Glastonbury, Joseph stuck his thorn staff in the earth, whereupon it rooted and burst into bloom. A cutting from that first tree was planted in the grounds of the later Glastonbury Abbey, where it continued to bloom every year thereafter at Christmas time. There is still a thorn tree in the Abbey grounds, of a variety native to the Holy Lands, and it does indeed bloom around Christmas time.

Joseph was said to have established the first church in England at Glastonbury, and archaeological records show that there may well have been an extremely early Christian church here. What happened to the Holy Grail is another matter. Some legends have it that Joseph buried the Grail at the foot of Glastonbury Tor, whereupon a spring of blood gushed forth from the ground.

There is a well at the base of the Tor, Chalice Well, and the water that issues from it does indeed have a reddish tinge to it, from the iron content of the water.

Other legends have it that the Holy Grail was interred with Joseph when he died, in a secret grave. The search for the mysterious Grail emerges again and again in the tales of Glastonbury.

Further legends tell that the church founded by Joseph continued for many years. Eventually, it became a monastery, and one of the first abbots was the future St Patrick, who was born in the west country.

More Legends of Glastonbury: 
King Arthur and the Holy Grail

Again...yet more meaninglessness.

Nana264:
Some factions of Christianity believe that you can lose your salvation, while some believe otherwise.
What exactly is the true fact?
Once you are saved, is that all? Can you never lose your salvation?
If no, what exactly makes one lose their salvation?

Salvation which is defined in the Gospel of John as requiring that one

* believe Jesus Christ is who He says He is
* be baptized(water)
* Eat of the flesh and drink the blood of Jesus Christ (the Covenant agreement between God and man)

...cannot be lost.
Salvation received by this way is not from sin, but instead from the condemnation of sin (Death) also known as the wages of sin, the judgement placed on mankind from after the fall of the first man, comes with a guarantee of eternal life, opposite of Death(perish in the grave).
For you see, previously condemned to die(perish in the grave), those who are saved by Jesus Christ are gifted with eternal life(grace) in place of the Death. Given as Jesus Christ came, not to condemn, but to save those who are condemned to die, there is really no way provided for having the eternal life revoked.

However, the gift of eternal life does not come with a guarantee that it will be spent in Heaven, since Hell is another option for where one can also spend eternal life.

Kayberg:
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8 (KJV)

Revelation 9 (KJV)
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²⁰ And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
²¹ Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

Can you explain the bolded to me?

Jesus Christ is the Law and the Law giver and it is unchanging He, the Word of God, who defines for us what sin in His New Covenant.
So, given that Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God, has declared to you that it is not the act but the intent, the desire in your heart, lust is judged a sin against God, then all the postulations of men that utter ideas contrary are rendered of no meaning.

Richwallet:
Africa is pagan like India and Jamaica, Haiti, Papua New Guinea. Their forefathers were never Christians. You must be born a Christian and Christ does have a bloodline and not all Black people share the Christ bloodline.


Les Rios De France Merovingian The Holy Grail Our Lady Queen Mary Magdalene.

The apostles and first Christians were not born of the bloodline of this Mary that you speak of, rendering meaningless this assertion of yours.

africandollar:
Nice one, you quickly searched on the internet for an interpretation to a Bible verse that would support your notion for something that's already written in black and white in the Bible?

Meanwhile, if you read the next two verses you would see that Jesus was pointing towards how impossible it would be for a man to fully satisfy the Law.

I am happy you have good parents you can model your marriage after, that is a great legacy every parent should leave for their children. Although remember that not everyone has the opportunity of a good marriage to model after.

Hardly do you ever meet a well meaning Christian who cheated on their partner that had same intention right from when they got married so your view wouldn’t be a special one.

Your point is duly noted bro...let's allow others to comment.

Jesus Christ never said it would be possible for a man to fulfill the law. In fact, during His time, there were men who were deemed righteous by the standard of the same Law that Jesus Christ spoke also of fulfilling at that time. And Jesus Christ acknowledged this when He declared to the pharisees that the reason He sat with sinners and publicans instead of the righteous of the time was because He came to call, not the righteous, but the sinners, to God. It is only those who are sick that need a physician; not those who aren't sick.

That said, Jesus Christ made it doubly clear that the one who Lusts is the one at fault for the sin, not the one who is near or married to the sinner. He declared that it is wah one stores up in ones heart that comes out on the form of what we call adultery, fornication, etc. So, in this case a formerly promiscuous "Christian" who still has lust stored up in his heart, will only bring out that which is stored up in him when he is tempted.

Similar is seen in the story of Judas who had sin stored up in heart even after following Jesus Christ for more than 3 years of his existence. It is not Jesus Christ or the other disciples to blame for Judas' betrayal, but Judas alone.

On the issue of sin, so long as one remains a slave to sin, the chances are one will eventually fall when tempted. And being a slave does not mean one sins regularly. No, it means one still has sin stored up in ones heart. The key is in understanding what sin really is. Sin is simply disobedience, the desire to do that which is contrary to God's command, siding instead with one's will/ego or self.

The opposite of sin is faith and this faith is in God through the obedience of God's commandments. This according to Jesus Christ who declared in John 8 that the only way to break free from the clutches of sin is through submission to and obedience of His teachings and commandments, clearly laid out in the 4 gospels by the way. Jesus declared that only those who obey His teachings will know the Truth will know the Truth and the Truth will set them free.

Now note that the above applies to all, whether married or not, whether young or old - the Truth of God as far as sin is concerned is without bias. So, please head Teuth of God as revealed by Jesus Christ rather than trying to lay blame on the wrong persons or ideas.

Lagoon0:
Yes of course two wife is not polygamy and the three of us understand ourselves very well.

If two wives is not a sin, do be as understanding if one of your wives decides she wants two husbands, since by the same token, she can also declare that.

aadoiza:
I can bet my life you have not had malaria as many times as I have, not even close.
Stop typing more bullshit from your saviour bill gate and his stooges. My father, in all life, never had malaria. He never took any of your so-called philanthropist's anti malaria drugs. So spare me the crap about your saviour's unmatched benevolence and save it for indomie pikin and the thoroughly brainwashed gullibles like yourself.

Your father never had malaria, but what of those whose fathers and mothers did?
What about those whose ancestral tree was decimated by malaria and other parasites that were previously considered mighty in the land?
Should their stories be forgotten or laid aside because your father never had malaria and never took malarial drugs?
I have friends whose fathers and mothers were taken from them on their prime....these people died in their 40s-50s ... should I count their prevous existence of no meaning because my parents are hale and hearty?

Myer:
Prophets and Messengers of God are identified by the power of God working in them and through them. This power is made manifest in miracles that ordinary humans cannot perform.

Judaism thrives because Moses performed miracles.
Christianity thrives because Jesus performed miracles.

Did Muhammed perform miracles?

Not thay anyone knows of but his minions have been busy working on his deification, going as far as corrupting Christian works to include Mohammed in the stories told by Jesus Christ.

Read the so-called Gospel of Barnabas, a work heavily edited by Muslim clerics to put their Angel Gabriel and Mohammed above the Spirit of God and the person of Jesus Christ.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Qfx8dX9TCvYjI4YzVjZWYtNDAzMS00ZDc3LWFiZDItOGFhNGYxZTQ4OTQ3/view?hl=en

Abdulgaffar22:
Instead of you to pinpoint what is actually wrong with my arguments, you now resolved to calling Muslims swine and dogs. No problem. Sooner or later, truth will reveal itself.

I don't expect you to understand the meaning behind the casting pearl's to swine/dog reference, only understand that it is appropriate in this case.

EJanni:
In his video, he said that he can't ask them to bring the girl to his church for healing because the girl does not believe in his miracles, which is truth. When you believe in something miracles happen.
You people should stop blaming this man
He has done his part.
Meanwhile did you watch where the Ada Jesus was causing his innocent children?

Did Jesus Christ only give healing to those who believed in miracles?

The mere fact that the girl was sprawled across the floor tells you she didn't believe in miracles?

Please stop fishing around for excuses for these ridiculous mogs

tillaman:
You sure say Odumeje never harvest this girl kidney for their world, he prolly ate it with starch and Ofe onugbu

Rubbish

TruthinAction:
Ignorance destroys. She doesn't need his forgiveness to be healed. What she needs is God's forgiveness.

But where did Jesus Christ say that only those who seek forgiveness from God will be healed?

Why are people harping on this as if Jesus Christ only healed those who sought forgiveness from God?

azammi:
For months now I have been thinking on how to get the Holy Spirit to open my eyes to see the spirit realm but it’s has been challenging, so anybody who has please share your experience would like to learn from it

There is only one way to have God do anything for you and that is through obedience of His Truth which refers to the commandments and teachings of Jesus Christ, that which is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

* The only way to come to God is through your obedience.

* The only way to free yourself from slavery for sin is through your continued obedience.

* The only way to abide in or remain in God is through your obedience.

* The only way for Jesus Christ to live/ abide in you is through your contninued obedience.

* The only way for the Spirit of God to live in/ abide in you is through your continued obedience

There is no other way because Jesus Christ is the only way and it is only by accepting (trusting) and obeying His teachings and commandments (Truth) that you fulfill the terms and conditions of the contract you have through Him, with God, and receive from Him that which He promised as part of His contract to man.

Obedience, not prayer, is the Key to God.

koladekola1:
Manifestation of the Holy Spirit: Each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good,
we are for God, and whenever we appear in His presence, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him
as He is, we are manifested in the flesh and vindicated by the Spirit, guarded by the angels, and proclaiming
the glory of God. Everyone’s work will manifest, the day will reveal it, because it will be revealed and the fire
will test what sort of work each one has done, it has been disclosed and has been made known to all peopl
of the spirit according to the command of the eternal God to bring about the obedience of faith,
the one that’s with God, the Lord shall manifest in him, and He shall be his father. When God is at your side,
it is a must for you to manifest anything you want, without His presence in your life there’ll be no one to sympathize
with your weaknesses, draw near to the throne of grace with confidence, and you shall receive
the manifestation of the Lord.
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We are each given the Spirit of God for what "common good"?

Bring about the obedience to what faith that is with God?

Everyone’s work will manifest, the day will reveal it, because it will be revealed and the fire
will test what sort of work each one has done?
Everyone's work will be manifest and tested by fire, when?

When God is at your side,
it is a must for you to manifest anything you want ?

without His presence in your life there’ll be no one to sympathize?

I am sorry but what is the meaning of all this?

Mrlcredible:
you literally nailed it

No he didn't. He simply rehashed what your pastors and motivational speakers spew which has no true substance to it.

According to Jesus Christ, the only way to obtaining and keeping the Spirit is to abide in Him and this through obedience of His teachings and commandments. God is law and one thing God will never do is violate His own law. He is a faithful God, keeping to the terms and agreements of the Covenant, Jesus Christ, which He has made with each one of us, and in return, He expects that those who will be His, will do the very same, declaring that those who love Him are those who keep His commandments.

Anyone experiencing "spiritual dryness" does not have Jesus Christ living on the inside of them but instead comments on the state of his own spirit(man).
* The only way to come to God is through your obedience.
* The only way to free yourself from slavery for sin is through your continued obedience.
* The only way to abide in or remain in God is through your obedience.
* The only way for Jesus Christ to live/ abide in you is through your contninued obedience.
* The only way for the Spirit of God to live in/ abide in you is through your continued obedience

There is no other way because Jesus Christ is the only way and it is only by accepting (trusting) and obeying His teachings and commandments (Truth) that you fulfill the terms and conditions of the contract you have through Him, with God.

Obedience, not prayer, is the Key to God.

lekki1444:
i agree with you but in the body of christ are different roles. it is a must for a prophet to know this information. Prophets need more than salvation. they need wisdom knowledge and understanding too.

1) Every follower of Jesus Christ, no longer a slave to sin, who is born of the Spirit of God is become a prophet of God by default.

2) Every follower of Jesus Christ, no longer a slave to sin, who is born of the Spirit of God is lead by the Spirit of Truth to preach/teach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God only

3) Every follower of Jesus Christ, no longer a slave to sin, who is born of the Spirit of God and led by the very Spirit of God obtains authority to heal all sicknesses, cast out demons and raise the dead.

4) Every follower of Jesus Christ, no longer a slave to sin, who is born of the Spirit of God is led by the very Spirit of God to doing the very Will of God as servants/workers, even as sheep themselves, to God to feed His sheep, give them water to drink, cloth His sheep, home His sheep, care for His sheep, visit His sheep.

5) Every follower of Jesus Christ, no longer a slave to sin, who is born of the Spirit of God and led by the very Spirit of God knows the Truth of God, that is the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ and abides by it, as they are receive not just wisdom and understanding of the Word but are also made to obey, but the Spirit of God.

So, please, what different roles do you speak of where the Kingdom of God is concerned?

danberg:
I used our natural bodily differences for illustration purposes only. Nowhere did I ascribe our bodily features to Grace.

Ok, so a person's "giftedness" is God's grace to such a one? .

danberg:
If only you read that scripture (Rom 9:15), you would have seen that Paul was quoting from Exodus 33:19.
Oh, and these were God's own spoken words written in the first person.

I was trying to follow along with your line of reasoning there that proposes that because God shows mercy to anyone He will implies God pardons some errors based on the person's "grace" and condemns others who are less fortunate, grace-wise,

I know they are God's words, what I don't know of is your particular interpretation of God's Word.

peteregwu:
One wife and one husband is Christ doctrine. Know it and have peace.

This according to you, right?

dinomcjohn:
Nice one Op. I like No 6. By praising abd glorifying God. When we do that, we get His manifold blessings. God bless you and us all

No you do not .. what you do is imagine that you get it but you don't. According to Jesus Christ those who are blessed are instead those who obey His commandments.

Energy48:
No Jesus did not go to heaven with flesh and blood.
"Now I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." 1 Corinthians 15:50-52


It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:44

First of all, Jesus Christ is the King in the Kingdom of God so inheritance talk no concern am. Jesus Christ ascended in to Heaven and was seen by many who saw Him go, flesh and blood.

As for Paul's claim of a spiritual body and the lot, I can't speak on that since we are not taught of such by Jesus Christ, our one example who has in fact been in Heaven.
Paul and the others are asleep in their graves, waiting for Jesus Christ to return and judge their works, so I can't really say much about the veracity of His claim.

Energy48:
Flesh and blood do not live in Heaven. Therefore, those going to Heaven do so through their SPIRIT, leaving their Human bodies behind. Thus, the rapture is not something we humans see with our eyes. Isn't that obvious given the fact it is Spirit that goes to heaven?

Flesh and blood do not live in Heaven? When Jesus Christ rose ho to the Heavens, did He not do so as flesh and blood?

By the way, there are no humans in Heaven, or in Hell either. According to Jesus Christ, if you paid attention to His teachings. you would realize that Heaven is not open for business until after Jesus Christ returns at the end. This is spoken of at length in Matthew 25, where we are given a clear picture of what will happen when Jesus Christ returns to judge the sheep's and the goats.

Also, he told many parables to explain this...parable o the 10 brides, parable of wheat and tare, the laborers in the vineyard, the vineyard owner etc. All of them speak of Heaven and Hell only made open after the return on the Master, and no time before. In the meantime, all those who are dead, including the apostles remain in their graves, sleeping, waiting for the time of the final harvest.