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Atlas9:
You are not meant to be the one who determines what is ok for you. Devote yourself to the pursuit of an intimate relationship with God by His Spirit. Then come back and tell us what you have learned about His preferences. This is the way someone said masturbation is not a sin. This generation is eager to go astray, so they seek out controversy. As for me, I don't do alcohol. I don't smoke. I don't womanise. These are my choices.
By the way, the bible says our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Don't defile that temple.

You are not making sense is this.

What is sin? It is disobedience registered against God's own commandments, not some arbitrary Mark somewhere. And the moment you intend in your heart to disobey God, you have already committed sin against God. So, from that we know what God says is sin and it is by not doing that that we know that we are of God. This is not some complicated formula, and it is Truth that is not hidden.

As for masturbation, it is not listed as sin by Jesus Christ. Instead, what Jesus Christ says is that the Lust in one's heart is instead sin. So it is the moment you lust in your heart that you have sinned. Any actions you engage in afterwards comes after the sin has already been recorded against you.

The problem I see with this generation, just like the many generations before them is that everyone continues to choose ignorance even when information is placed right before them. Jesus Christ said that it is when you know the Truth of God, His very teachings and commandments, and obey this truth, that you can indeed be made free from the clutches of sin, even the mental hold it has on you, from sin, not before.

The bible does not say anything... the bible is a book that contains the Word of God, words and opinions of men, words of Satan and also of demons, so you need to know for sure who it is that says what.

Paul told you your body is the temple of God and science tells you that smoking is bad for your health but Jesus Christ, the Word of God Himself tells you that it is not what you eat/ingest that makes you unclean/sinful but instead what you have in your heart that makes you unclean/sinful. It is then your place to decide whose report you will believe in.

peropoliet:
you are looking for answer to justify yourself and trap someone you won't get any from me cos the brother above just told you the truth

If your brother's truth does not come from the very mouth of Jesus Christ, you and your brother are against God. It is simple as that!

FactBoyz:
These preachers have busy schedules and thousands want to see them and be blessed by them at the same time; they hold crusades multiple time in a day in different states to preach to thousands and sometimes return home the same day.

The aim is to preach the gospel and one of the tools to do that more effectively is the Private Jet. I heard someone personally funds Adeboye's travel expenses and fuels the jet! - Yea! a single individual!!

When God uses a man of God to bless your life, you would willing to do anything to help that man of God travel with ease and I think thats the reason many are willing to sponsor these pastors' private jet inquisition.

Yes!! Preaching the gospel is not cheap, its expensive! Ask the early missionaries who sought for funds to travel to Africa and Asia to live as missionaries.
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Yes, your Mogs seem to have schedules busier than Jesus Christ and all His apostles put together.

Jesus Christ preached to thousands and healed thousands going from place to place... His followers after Him changed the world, yet without a single chariot or horse bought with the "church" money at the that we know of.
As a matter of fact, historical evidence of their existence is near nonexistent, except for the bible because these men lived life's that were considered unimportant for their times.

advanceDNA:
U people just look for issues where there is none ...even inside Bible they called some people apostles, pastors, evangelist, why some are just helpers...all na title...some people have to play the role of church admin, and guide, Christ is still the head...
If you have your own church.. let everybody be brother without title to designate duty..

What you are invariably saying is that Christ lied when He declared that He alone is Teacher to all those who are His followers, something God also stated through His prophets before Jesus Christ?

So in you summation, Jesus Christ made a false statement when He declared, as God did, that He alone is Shepherd/guide/Head over His entire flock?

obonujoker:
Are you smoking to glorify God, or to bring more people into God's kingdom?

The only way to glorify God is to obey His actual commandments to you, just as Jesus Christ taught you to. Anything else is meaningless worship and of no real value as far as God and the Kingdom of God is concerned.

As for bringing more people into God's Kingdom, if you paid close attention to the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, you would note that even Jesus Christ did not seek to bring more people into the Kingdom of God simly for the sake of bringing people into the Kingdom of God. Jesus Christ turned many away from following Him and for good reason. As a matter of fact, we know that Jesus Christ taught of the Kingdom to thousands of people while He was yet on earth but as of the time of His death. there were only a few dozen who believed in Him.

The preaching of the Gospel of the Kingdom of God is not about quantity - the number of souls you bring in to sit in your church pews and all that - it is instead, as Jesus Christ showed us, about quality and this can only be realized by allowing the Spirit of God lead you to only those whom He will , when and where He will.

TheGiftedOne:
Good morning Nairalanders, here is a did for thought this morning.

If you read Ephesians 5:23, it says "because a husband is head of his wife just as the Christ is head of the congregation, he being a savior of this body."

Against the backdrop of the above quoted scriptures, why do churches have General Overseers ultimately taking the role of Jesus?

Read also Matthew 23:8

" But you, do not you be called Rabbi (leader), for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers.

What do you make out of these two quotes portions?

Since the teaching of Jesus Christ is the Truth of God that we are indeed called to trust and obey, it means that any other teachings that go against the Word of God, the teachings of Jesus Christ, are indeed in error.
In this case, the teaching in Ephesians 5 is wrong and not founded on the Truth of Jesus Christ as expressed in Matthew 23 vs 8.

A careful examination of the implications of such taxing as is found in Ephesians 5 will reveal all too well that it has no foundation in the New Covenant Law as it is instead against it.

According to Jesus Christ, He and He alone is Master and Head over all His followers...they are all equal and have one master/head over them all. Now the teaching that a wife have her husband as her head puts the woman in a situation where no follower of Jesus Christ should be.

If she is to consider her husband a head over her and Jesus Christ as well, then she attempts to serve two Masters which we know is impossible to do in the Kingdom of God.

If she places her husband as direct head over her and Jesus Christ an indirect head, then rather than being a follower of Jesus Christ, she is instead a follower of her husband and not Jesus Christ and we know that anyone who does not belong to Jesus Christ is not of God.

kingphilip:
Did I tell you smoking is sin?

Is the commandments of God just in the ten commandments?

To you anything outside of it is not a sin or what do you imply?

There are about 50-something commandments in the New Covenant, Jesus Christ, which make clear for all what sin is in the Kingdom of God. And smoking is not listed as one.

According to Jesus Christ, it is not what you eat that makes you unclean - that which makes you unclean .I.e. sin, comes from what you have stored up in your heart and not from what you eat or ingest.

Sin, which simply means disobedience of God's Law and commandments, is not arbitrarily defined hence the reason why Jesus Christ declares in John 8 that it is by knowing the Truth that one can indeed become set free by the Truth, where the Truth gives clear definition of all that which is indeed sin. .

Anything outside of the 50-something commandments that Jesus Christ has stipulated is not sin as it is left up to individuals(not groups) to decide on their own what they will have or not have in their lives.

The rule is simple , do not add and do not remove from God's laws.

kingphilip:
show me where God said you should you should boil water before making eba to eat with soup.

Let's say you are a christian and you caught your pastor smoking, what will be your reaction? Will it be to walk past as if nothing happened or you'll be surprised at him smoking?

God didn't say it so it is not sin. It is that simple!

If I found a pastor smoking, knowing that God never said smoking is wrong, it would be wrong, in fact , sinful of me to judge the pastor man as having sinned. I do not want be cursed by God so I would not attempt to judge as sin that which God has not declared sin.

Surprised that the pastor man is a man who smokes like any other man can and does? Hell no! I would walk on by and go count my own sins instead.

Raycelove:
That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Here are five ways to have faith in Jesus Christ

1) You need to seek Jesus Christ(hope) Holy Spirit( Righteousness)

2) You need to believe in His words and He as the only begotten Son of the most high God.

3) You need to receive Him into your body, heart and soul .

4) You need to have the love of Christ in you

5) You need to have patience of the Holy Spirit to cast away fear and doubt.

Feel free to drop your views, thoughts and ask questions

Faith simply refers to works or acts carried out in submission and obedience to the commandments & teachings of God, in our case Jesus Christ. So the simplest way to have faith is to choose to accept and obey God's law when tempted to sin instead.

Faith is in fact the opposite of sin meaning that when you chose to obey God instead of sinning, you are expressing your faith in God.

Even so, when you trust in and accept the Truth of God, following His every commandments every step of the way, you know the Truth and the Truth sets you free by your obedience .I.e. your faith.

HealerH:
Your God is a puppeteer. You're his puppet. Thanks for letting us know.
Now get lost. I don't reason with puppets.

The God of the Bible has never hidden His intention and agenda from those who will believe in Him, since before the time of His prophets. Only way too many choose to remain ignorant of His ways..assuming they can conveniently worship Him from afar in ignorance.

Joyfulguy:
Let’s examine the word righteousness under the two Testaments and find out its standing in both Testaments. Righteousness in the Old Testament is regarded as the righteousness of the Law, which implies that it is righteousness obtainable by observing or keeping the law. So one is declared righteous based on his ability to keep the entire laws and as the system stipulates one is required to keep all and a failure to keep one means a failure to keep all (James 2:10, 4:17). In that case, the righteousness of the law is regarded as “the doing righteousness” (Romans 10:5) and as a matter of fact no one under the face of this sun was able to keep those laws at the same time until Jesus Christ came and became the end to the law (Romans 10:4).

I am afraid that your entire premise is faulty and so your conclusion is wrong and here is the simple reason why.

Like the Old Covenant, the New Covenant, Jesus Christ is a Law unto those who are live in the Kingdom of God. The New Covenant comes complete with its own set of blessings, curses, seals, promises, ritual, and commandments , and domain - much like the Old Covenant, and it is through accepting and obeying the teachings and commandments of the Law, Jesus Christ, that one is able to attain the promises specified by the Law. According to the Law Himself, it is those who accept and obey His commandments that love Him and in them He and the Father will make their home in.

In both the Old and New Covenant, God lays down the same, basic demands on those who would choose Him..

* Be ye Holy even as God is Holy
* Seek ye (first) God's Righteousness

Ofcourse in both cases, holiness is a step necessary before seeking God's righteousness since God is a Holy God and His Righteousness only for those who are holy(not slaves to sin).

Both Laws that God's righteousness which ought to be the ultimate goal of every follower is only obtainable through submission to (trusting) and obedience of the teachings and commandments of God as laid out in the respective Law/Covenant. The Old covenant followers were, and still are, required to submit to and obey the Law of Moses, whereas the New Covenant followers of Jesus Christ are required to submit to and obey the commandments of Jesus Christ, the Law in the Kingdom of God.

kingphilip:
for food and not to be rolled and fire attached to an end to inhale and blow out smoke which will be harmful to yourself and others

And voila !... the problem I was just addressing rears its ugly head.

Where did God specify that it is not to be rolled and with fire attached to an end to inhale and blow out smoke?

kingphilip:
My response to the person who asked same question was this
I cannot be able to point to any part of the scripture that says it is outrightly good or bad to engage in it or to even authoritatively say such a one who engages in it will go to hell or not but I will just go the Apostle Paul's way which he said in 1 Corinthians 8:13 Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Final note: It is actually better to stay away from controversial practices and later find out that it wasn't a sin all along than land in hell to discover that it was wrong all along.

I am afraid you are wrong in your conclusion. It is worse to assume a thing a sin, and tell others that it is so, when it is not. That is akin to adding to the commandments of God and there is a curse attached for those who do such and tell others such lies.

Rather than leaving it up in the air, it would be wiser to learn the Truth of God which clearly detail for your learning what sin is and what is not sin. It is by knowing this Truth that you can be set free from slavery to sin by the Truth, the very teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ Himself.

Now, I am sure I know what Jesus Christ meant when He said, "Let the dead bury their dead"

eloquently:
Have you not heard people saying that when you get born again, you must or should know the actual date of your salvation, and if someone says he or she doesn't know the exact date, it looks like the person lied.. It is vital to know the date of your being born again, but remembering the date of your being born again is not as essential as having a renewed life that is in Christ. One thing I can tell you is that every born again must know the day he or she got born again, but may not know the exact date.

I tell you, those illiterate people that got born again in the villages or those village people you won through evangelistic work; can they remember the exact date of their salvation? While it is very vital to know the date of your salvation, it is not Biblically established that you must know the date of your being saved as a proof your salvation. The greatest proof of your salvation is a solid display of a changed life by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Of what use is this "date" where Jesus Christ is concerned?

Does it somehow mean you will be considered before those who came after you or something?

What good is a date according world standards where the Kingdom of God is concerned? Why do folks waste time on the meaningless when there is so much else that God has commanded and many of you are yet to even begin working on?

If you claim to have been saved 10 or even 25 years but have never in all of that time reached the level that the apostles did in just over 3 years with Jesus Christ, do you have anything to remember that date for or boast of?

ThePlainTruth:
The Jewish Hebrew scripture from where the Old Testament was translated says almah meaning a young lady but the english and other translation chaged it to a virgin. God never promise to have a Son though a virgin or have ever done so not even with Eve the first lady He created, such belief is of Roman pagan belief.

If it meant young lady then that prophesy would have been a stupid one given that there are many hebrew young ladies in the land at the time and may names that could have easily fit the "God with us" translation as well.

prettyheart:
People say their righteousness is in Christ, and some tend to make it look like Christ is responsible for how they live. Or you may say "it is not my own righteousness but Christ's righteousness", you are very right. But the issue is: if Christ is your righteousness, you must provide great evidences of his righteousness in you. This is done through works of righteousness. How do I mean? If you say Christ is your righteousness, you must prove it by not committing sin, not collecting bribe, not fornicating, not committing adultery, not lying, not cheating, etc

The portion in bold addresses Holiness, one of the characteristics of those who have God's Righteousness.

God's Righteousness happens after one is become Holy, not before and it is not seen in the things we do but through adherence to God's Will and commandments which He makes known through His Spirit living inside of those who are Righteous in His sight. We, however, know of those who have God's righteousness, that they do the works listed in Matthew 25 vs 31 -40.

God's Righteousness IS NOT "Christ's Righteousness" which Paul wrote of in his letters. And only those who find the Kingdom of God followed by God's Righteousness, will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.

ThePlainTruth:
God having a Son through a virgin is a Ronan pagan belief and no where in the Old Jewish Scriptures did God promise to have a Son though a virgin.

The Europeans did come to what we now call Nigeria.

And the mention of a virgin birthing a child in the Old Testament was also of Roman inclusion?

essenjack:
Please I need a spiritual/Biblical answer to this question, cos in a society like ours, most Christians tends to judge and condemn smokers.
I smoke (only Marijuana) for obvious reason(s) known to me.

No, it is not a sin!

ThePlainTruth:
Well the fact that you cannot "see how the New Covenant, coming in the time of the Roman invasion of the land, implies in some way that it is of the Romans in any way or form" does not mean that there are no Roman influences in the New Covenant. It is just like saying you cannot see how the coming of the Europeans to Nigeria has influenced the Laws of Nigeria today.

If you paid attention to all that was revealed by God through His Prophets in the Old Testament, you would understand how there is in fact no Roman influence where the New Covenant Law is concerned.

This was not a coming of Europeans to Nigeria ..... The Romans may have invaded the land at the time but that didn't influence the Old Covenant and certainly not the New Covenant which arrived exactly as promised in the Old... with details that trace back to the Old.

HealerH:
Differentiate between the human action and the will of God.
It rains today can be the will of God and not the will of man. But the person you marry is 100% your will (the person's and yours). Keep God out of it.
God becomes a puppeteer the moment we affirm He's the author of our actions.

God is a puppeteer when it comes to the Righteous in the land.

Ezekiel 36 vs 24-30 (ESV)
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24. “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land.
25. Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.
26. I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.
27. I will put my Spirit inside you[c] and change you so that you will obey my laws. You will carefully obey my commands.
28. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.
29. Also, I will save you and keep you from becoming unclean. I will command the grain to grow. I will not bring a famine against you.
30. I will give you large crops of fruit from your trees and the harvest from your fields so that you will never again feel the shame of being hungry in a foreign country.
31. You will remember the bad things you did. You will remember that those things were not good. Then you will hate yourselves because of your sins and the terrible things you did.”

The Spirit of God is meant to act as Puppet Master as far as those who belong to God .i.e. are Holy and Righteous.

ThiagoKid:
....the will of God in marriage.[/i]A lot of Christians, Gospelers precisely, will be conversant with this phrase; "pray for the will of God."
It's even 'commonest' amongst Deeper lifers, no disrespect.
Now, here is my Question; is there anything such as the so-called "will of God?"
What about the "will of the devil
Marriages been broken today, ain't some of them "the will of God?"
Lalasticlala, is your lovely wife [i]the will of God?
Clarification would be 'ppreciated.

The term really only should apply to those who are righteous in the sight of God as they are those who live according to His Will... doing only that which He commands. In the Old Covenant, we have examples of these in the many prophets of God, men/women, who sought God's righteousness and lived it. Those men/women were "friends" of God and everything that happened to them was according to God's plan and purpose.

Similarly, in the New Covenant, Jesus Christ commands that only those who Find God's righteousness will have all other things added to them. These are those who are submitted and controlled by the very Spirit of God who controls them, causing them to obey every one of God's commands and laws.

Ezekiel 36 vs 24-30 (ESV)
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24. “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land.
25. Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.
26. I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.
27. I will put my Spirit inside you[c] and change you so that you will obey my laws. You will carefully obey my commands.
28. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.
29. Also, I will save you and keep you from becoming unclean. I will command the grain to grow. I will not bring a famine against you.
30. I will give you large crops of fruit from your trees and the harvest from your fields so that you will never again feel the shame of being hungry in a foreign country.
31. You will remember the bad things you did. You will remember that those things were not good. Then you will hate yourselves because of your sins and the terrible things you did.”

They are the Righteous followers of God and God's will for them is according to a plan and purpose directed and ordered by God Himself.

As for "Will of God" where marriage is concerned, be sure that Hosea's wife was according to God's Will, and it was not the dreamy picture that your Mogs like to paint for you. Another example to be aware of is Ezekiel.... it was the Will of God that Ezekiel's wife die and Ezekiel not mourn her in the way that is typical to humans.

ThePlainTruth:
The Roman Kingdom were the ones that stopped the barbaric law of stoning people in the Old Covenant Law for things like not keeping the Sabbath. The New Covenant Law was given during the reign of the Roman kingdom and has dominated the world till today. This make it to appear like the New Covenant Law was from the God of the Romans as the Jews are still waiting for God to send their Messiah so that they can go back to practicing the Old Covenant Law, which was stopped when the Romans ruled Israel and till God will allow them to build the third Temple.

I don't know what Roman Kingdom has to do with any of what I said please.

The practice of the Old Covenant Law continues today, well beyond the statute of the Roman Empire. The Old Covenant Law of Moses holds even to this day being the foundation of Judaism that it is, only that with the temple no longer in existence, the Levite away of the temple, leading to the disbanding Levite rule as enforcers/shepherds of the Law in the land, the people have had to find other ways of enforcing the laws.

I don't see how the New Covenant, coming in the time of the Roman invasion of the land, implies in some way that it is of the Romans in any way or form. The very detail of the New Law is evidence enough for the connection that exists between the God of the Old and the God of the New, as it contains the very details announced by God through His Prophets, long before Rome showed up on the radar.

HealerH:
The title "Saint" in the Church's Traditions is like saying "Mr" in Western tradition.
Many people have the title of "Saint" but it is optional "to believe" in their Sainthood. Mark the verb "to believe".
I can be a Christian, address Veronica with the title of Saint but not believe her to be in heaven or be a good person. The same way I can address a Barrister as "My Lord" (or whatever title they go by) without believing he is my Lord.

What church traditions?
I know it is the apostles and those "venerated" according to the rituals of the catholic church that are typically referred to as saints, not unknowns like "Berenika" or Veronica there.

HealerH:
.No difference. You still sound naïve and childish.
If Christians should live according to Jesus' commandments (do this... don't do that...), tell me why you're using a phone/computer whereas Jesus didn't command us to do so. Stop being moralistic. The gospel of Jesus is not moralistic. Humans invented morals.

When you obey the commandments stipulated in the Old Covenant Law of Moses e.g. "Thou shall not lie", do you also conclude that by doing so, you reduce yourself to being moralistic, and hence unable to use phones and computers as a result?

Jesus Christ is the Law, the New Covenant which God promised through His prophets for the Kingdom of God and as such all those who belong to the Kingdom of God are intended to live in obedience of the teachings and commandments of the Law, in much the same way the descendants of Jacob were required, by God, to live in complete submission and obedience to the Old Covenant Law of Moses.

HealerH:
And if you insist to follow Jesus' commandments literally, make sure you turn your other cheek when you're slapped on one (Mt 5:38-42), make sure you don't think about your future (Mt 6:34) and make sure you hate your mother (Lk 14:26)
See you in heaven.

You are expected to obey His commandments if you really intend to end up in His Kingdom of Heaven. Heaven belongs to Him and He is the Law that decides who can or cannot enter into His Heaven. Remember that Jesus Christ is the only way into Heaven and if you truly intend to enter it, He commands that you submit to His rules and teachings... His Truth.

As for turning the other cheek, I don't see why anyone who claims to belong to Jesus Christ would resist so. In the passage below we are clearly informed of what is expected of us when we are confronted by enemies. We are to put our trust in God knowing that in our obedience, He bears the consequence.

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Stephen we are told "turned the other cheek" to his enemies, and they stoned him to death for it. Are you better than Stephen who did as Jesus Christ commanded, because that is what you declare when you suggest you are not to do as Jesus Christ instructed.

Matthew 10 vs 34-39
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34. “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace. I came to bring trouble.[h]
35. I have come to make this happen:
‘A son will turn against his father.
A daughter will turn against her mother.
A daughter-in-law will turn against her mother-in-law.
36. Even members of your own family will be your enemies.’
37. “Those who love their father or mother more than they love me are not worthy of me. And those who love their son or daughter more than they love me are not worthy of me.
38. Those who will not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow me are not worthy of me.
39. Those who try to keep the life they have will lose it. But those who give up their life for me will find true life.

So, if you are not willing to hate father and mother etc. you are not worthy of Jesus Christ and as such cannot enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

HealerH:
You're just dumb. Your illiteracy is disgusting. You comment on people's texts like you've got some scores to settle with them. You seem blinded by some prejudices and never read to see the truth in a text.
Where did I write "I believe" Veronica to be a Saint? You're a fool. Does talking to someone about Prophet Mohammed makes me a Muslim?

Are those not your words below?

HealerH:
I realized this difference in belief the day I told a Jehovah's Witness about St Veronica, the woman that wiped Jesus' face with a linen when Jesus was on his way to Calvary. The guy told me to show him where it was written in the Bible. I was surprised to realized it actually wasn't recorded in the Bible.

HealerH:
You most likely are a Catholic.

Before Christianity got many denominations, there was "The Church". And this Church uses The "Traditions" in addition to the Bible. With Luther's revolution, Protestantism was born. The Protestant Church dropped the Traditions and held uniquely to the Bible.
How the Apostles died are recorded in the Traditions and for this reason, not all Christians believe it (I doubt protestant believe in them). Only those who still uses the Traditions do... mostly the Catholics.

I realized this difference in belief the day I told a Jehovah's Witness about St Veronica, the woman that wiped Jesus' face with a linen when Jesus was on his way to Calvary. The guy told me to show him where it was written in the Bible. I was surprised to realize it actually wasn't recorded in the Bible.

But in the Bible accounts by the apostle, there is no Veronica who wiped the face of Jesus Christ. She is only mentioned in the "gospel of Nicodemus" and not even indicated as a follower of Jesus Christ, making it even more senseless that you believe her a saint of some sort for supposedly wiping Jesus' face!.

HealerH:
The OP and the first commentator are two arrogant Christians.

You don't "know" the intentions and plans of God and have no logical right to say what God can do and what He cannot do.

God's intentions and plans?
Well, as far as His New Covenant plan, God has not Hidden His Truth from anyone who will accept(trust) and obey His Teachings.

John 14 vs 23-31
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23. Jesus answered, “All who love me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them. My Father and I will come to them and live with them.
24. But anyone who does not love me does not obey my teaching. This teaching that you hear is not really mine. It is from my Father who sent me.
25. “I have told you all these things while I am with you.
26. But the Helper will teach you everything and cause you to remember all that I told you. This Helper is the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name.
27. “I leave you peace. It is my own peace I give you. I give you peace in a different way than the world does. So don’t be troubled. Don’t be afraid.
28. You heard me say to you, ‘I am leaving, but I will come back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be happy that I am going back to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.
29. I have told you this now, before it happens. Then when it happens, you will believe.
30. “I will not talk with you much longer. The ruler of this world is coming. He has no power over me.
31. But the world must know that I love the Father. So I do exactly what the Father told me to do.“Come now, let’s go.”

You simply need to trust in His Truth, Jesus Christ, the New Covenant Law as far as the Kingdom of God is concerned.

HealerH:
You sounded naïve and moralistic.
Jesus' message is not essentially moralistic. He told humanity "how to live" and not "what to do".

Interesting claim you make there. So, tell me, when Jesus Christ declared that those who love Him are those who OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS, was Jesus Christ only telling you by that "how to live" or "what to do"?

John 14 vs 21-24 (ESV)
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21. Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”
22. Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?”
23. Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
24. Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me.

Does any of that sound to you like mere advice, or rather instructions to those who wish to be His followers?

HealerH:
There's a different between "love your enemies" and "give money to your enemies".
The first tells you how you should relate to your enemies while living you the choice of "actions to take". There are many ways to love. But the second tells you a particular way to love which is only one out of the many ways.

Jesus Christ not only told you to love your enemies, He also explained how you should do it.

Matthew 5 vs 38-48 (ERV)
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38. “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’[i]
39. But I tell you, don’t fight back against someone who wants to do harm to you. If they hit you on the right cheek, let them hit the other cheek too.
40. If anyone wants to sue you in court and take your shirt, let them have your coat too.
41. If a soldier forces you to walk with him one mile,[j] go with him two.
42. Give to anyone who asks you for something. Don’t refuse to give to anyone who wants to borrow from you.
43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

You should spend more time in fact learning the Truth of Jesus Christ by reading the Gospels for yourself sometime.

HealerH:
You're reading the Bible from a moral perspective because your doing literal interpretations of the message therein. The messages aren't to be taken 100% literal. If not a lot of things there would be absurd and meaningless to us.

So, you "literally" claim to believe in Jesus Christ but you do not "literally" believe all of what Jesus Christ teaches and commands you to obey?

And by that, you suggest that the disciples who "literally" obeyed the teachings of Jesus Christ live an absurd and meaningless existence as a result?

HealerH:
Secondly, what do you think about this claim you made? .
Isn't it too myopic to judge an entire group of people with the experience made of some few persons in the group?

Nothing myopic about stating the truth as it is! If your Mogs think just as you do, then I rest my case!

Praxis758:
I've noticed that the account of Isaiah 64 : 6 is the foundation for those who preach/teach against the possiblity of righteousness. It must therefore be noted that this particular verse and chapter in Isaiah was not independent on it own.

The first part of that chapter was dedicated for interceding for the forgiveness of sins committed by the people of Israel and that's why the proplet said 'all our righteousness is like filthy rag'

The reason he wrote that 'filthy rag' was because the people would boast of the efficacy of 'sacrificial laws (sin offering, grain offering, trespass offering), that covers/intercede for their transgressions. And we must note that those sacrifices do not totally take away their sin(s) but only cover it

The covering of their sins by those sacrifices was what made the Prophet to include it on his intercession that, though, the people boost of performing sacrifices for atonement of sin(s), the sacrifices only covers and CANNOT take away any sin. This simply reason is what Solomon wrote that 'anyone who covers his sin shall not prosper but he who confess and forake'

I am afraid that your assessment of Isaiah 64 vs 6 is equally error-filled.

First thing first.... holiness is the quality of being without sin or in compliance with the Law of God, while God's Righteousness has instead to do with the carrying out of the Will of God. Only those who are previously holy can seek God's righteousness, hence the reason why Jesus Christ declared that those who will be His followers should seek/find first the Kingdom of God, and afterward seek/find God's Righteousness...

There are works that are known as works of Righteousness- see Ezekiel 18, Ezekiel 33, Isaiah 58, and Job 31 for details. These are "works" associated with those who are "God Righteous". Anyone can of course think to do these works but only those who are God Righteous can do it exactly as God requires it done...according to God's Will.

Isaiah 64 vs 4-9 (ERV)
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3. But you have done awesome things that we did not expect. You came down, and mountains shook in fear before you.
4. No one has ever heard of such a God. No one has ever heard such a story. No one has ever seen any God except you, who does such great things for those who trust him.
5. You welcome people who enjoy doing good and who remember you by living the way you want them to. But we sinned against you, and you became angry with us.[a] But you always saved us![/b]
6. We are all dirty with sin. Even our good works(righteousness) are not pure. They are like bloodstained rags. We are all like dead leaves. Our sins have carried us away like wind.
7. We don’t call to you for help. We aren’t excited about following you, so you have turned away from us. We are helpless before you, because we are full of sin.
8. But, Lord, you are our father. We are like clay, and you are the potter. Your hands made us all.
9. Lord, don’t continue to be angry with us! Don’t remember our sins forever! Please, look at us! We are all your people.

In Isaiah 64 vs 6, Isaiah makes it clear that the sins of the people make them filthy/dirty and follows that by declaring then their righteousness, which cannot be of God then, also filthy. Isaiah, in the same context, pleads that God have mercy and forgive the sins of the people, not their attempts at righteousness because it is only through sinlessness(Holy) can their righteousness be made pure in the sight of God.

Praxis758:
I'm still baffled with the reason why christians, teachers and pastors are always omitting this crucial part/quote of the bible.

I've listened to many popular pastors and teachers teaching on grace and gospel but they don't quote this scripture passages in their ministrations.

Most of the will hastely and always say we're saved by grace through faith and not by any work but they're ignorantly/blindly/cunningly skip the consolidating scripture passages that give a defining tune to what grace actually is.

The passage is Tithe 2 : 11 - 15 which says:

11. For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12. teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13. looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
14. who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
15. Speak these things, exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no one despise you.

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Verses 12 and 13 gave clear definition of the meaning of grace, which is totally different from the charade most people are dishing out from the pulpit nowadays.

It talks about DENYING UNGODLINESS, which means we just desit from every appearance of evil and wickenedss.

WORLDLY LUST is also mentioned , and it means a truly born again christian cannot lust after mundane things like covering another man's wife or woman's husband, concentrating his/her efforts on acquiring perishable fame, striving to be like the global stars/celebrities, etc

We should LIVE SOBERLY: this means grace of God transforms us to be broken hearted, have a living conscience (for forgiving, making restitution, being at peace with others). Psalm 51 says the sacrifices of the lord is a broken heart, and a contrite spirit the Lord will not despise.

RUGHTEOUSLY is also written as one of the multiply effects of God's saving grace. The issue and possibility of righteousness is one of the most controversial topics among christai denomination. While some will quickly crucify you for preaching the possibility/livability of rughteosness, others will crucify/stone you for dare saying that.

That passage is instead clear that the grace of God is instead for our Salvation, and not for all you have included in your write up there.

According to the Gospels, the Salvation we have in Jesus Christ is from the condemnation of sin(Death)-we are saved from the judgement of God against sin - in place of which we are gifted with eternal life, the grace of God. In John 3 vs 16- 21, it is made clear that eternal life is the result of salvation and that eternal life is the grace obtained in place of the previous sentence of Death.

And we also know, from John 1, that Jesus Christ came filled with this eternal life(grace) and Truth.

blazepascal:
Jesus had twelve disciples and they were responsible for the spread of Christianity after Jesus left the earth. They were mentioned in the new testament of the Bible and many of them reached martyrdom. Though, The Qur'anic account of the disciples of Jesus does not include their names, numbers, or any detailed accounts of their lives but since Muslims are to believe in the Bible, Muslims are to accept them as Jesus disciples as well

What makes you think that Muslims believe in the Bible?

They have their own version of the stories contained in the Gospel, a version doctored up to put the name of their Mohammed in the mouths of God, Adam, and Jesus Christ, so why should they need to believe in your bible books when they have their version of the stories intact in their " gospel of Jesus by Barnabas"?