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LordIsaac:
Good answer. I have often wondered why sin can be inherited but not salvation.
The second question is why the womb of a woman(who was born in sin) was found worthy and not the seed of man(who was also born in sin) was found worthy to bring forth the Messiah.

Sin cannot be inherited either...only the consequences of sin is inherited and should never be confused with sin itself.

in the Old Covenant, God declared instead that the consequence of the sin of idolatry would be inherited up to the 3rd or 4th generation, but then the same God repealed that judgment in Ezekiel 18 when it swore by His name that the soul that sins will die... Death is the consequence of sin.

ChristCFASM:
TITHE IS NOT FOR EVERYONE . WHAT DOES GOD SAY ABOUT TITHING ?
(THE ONLY TITHE THAT IS GODLY AND BLESSED )
I'm speaking from Christ for All Souls Ministry
as God usually speaks to us in this ministry.

My attention has been being drawn to purported controversy regarding tithing.

Many people who called themselves minister of God are luring themselves away from God to Satan through extortion

I want to speak on "Tithe."
What is tithing? And what does God say about tithing?
I'm speaking as mouthpiece of God regarding what you should follows concerning tithing.
This is voice of God to all nations concerning tithing.
Firstly, God said... If anybody received tithe wrongly there's a curse upon him.
If you are not worthy to collect tithes and you collected it, there is curse upon you.
There's curse upon those who collect tithe without being called by God Matthew 23:23

Secondly, what do we call "Tithe"
It's 1⁄10(Tenth) of your annual produce, earnings, income and profits.
God doesn't request tithe from your capital(wealth in the form of money or other assets owned by a person or organization or available for a purpose such as starting a company or investing)
God has never places burden on people, ministers, stop placing burden on people.
If you collected Lapo, ship(microfinance loans) God doesn't request tithe from it,
God doesn't request tithe from someone who squandered and embezzled public funds.
If you squandered and embezzled money and bring forth tithe, Its unacceptable before God.
If you did money ritual and bring forth tithe, it's unacceptable before God.
If you gather money by crook or hook and bring forth tithe, it's unacceptable before God.
God doesn't not like playing to the gallery, if you must bring forth tithe it should be between you and God. That is the first aspect of the tithe.

Who are those entitled to tithe? Where should tithe go?
Tithe shouldn't go to any other place rather than house of God(Malachi 3:10). Your tithe should be given to anyone except God, if someone should collect your tithe there's curse upon him.
At present there's no preaching on salvation anymore except on tithes stop placing curses upon yourself.
Who was the first person to collect? His name was Melchizedek "He was" king of Salem " and priest of God Most High, he was a prophet with no traceable race Genesis 14:17-20.

Who are the people that suppose to pay tithe? Tithe is not for everyone, only those people will believe that what the Lord has done for them is from God are fit to pay tithe Genesis 28:20-22

Tithe ain't for everyone... The adulterer, forcanitors having illicit sexual affairs, if you bring forth tithe, it is unacceptable before God.
If you're still wallowing in sin, your tithe is unacceptable before God.
Tithes is for the Lord and must be surely return to God leviticus 27:30-32
It was God that declared those who are entitled to tithe Hebrew 7:5, Number 18:20-23.
There's blessings of God upon those who pays tithes Isaiah 62:4-5.
The Lord does not happy with the people who have received from Him but fails to pay their tithe
Malachi 3:8.
With this, I strongly believe that there shouldn't be any controversy again about tithe.
If you're cursing people because of tithe for your personal pocket there's curses of God upon you.
God will help us.
(Amen).
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2004339679735388

Stop lying in the name of God. You curse your very existence and soul by this.

Hundredfold4lif:
COULD ANY ONE THAT GAVE PASTOR PAUL ENENCHE AN OFFERING OR TITHE IN OTHER TO HELP HIM BUY HIS FIRST AEROPLANE PLEASE RAISE HIS HAND�

Oh, so you do admit then that your giving is not to God but to these men then? At least you are honest about that then.

farem:
PASTOR ENENCHE MAKES STATEMENT IN LINE WITH CHURCH GIST ON THE PURPORTED ACQUISITION OF PRIVATE JET
*Says we do not need to buy or acquire an equipment before we can own it.

We want to appreciate all our wishers for wishing us well in the journey of our life and Ministry.
We became aware of certain fake news flying in the air regarding our purported acquisition of a private jet, and we would like to make the following points clear:
1. The possession of a private jet for the purpose of easy, stress-less and aggressive spread of the gospel is not a luxury but a basic and vital necessity.
2. By God's grace, we do not lack the capacity to acquire or own a private jet for the sake of the gospel.
3. However, the news of our acquisition of a private jet that is currently making rounds is absolutely false and totally untrue.
Having said the above, it is important to note the following for the records.
The picture of the jet making rounds is that of an aircraft, N838BB HAWKER 800XP (HS25), belonging to a private aviation company that was chartered in December 2019 for a series of crusades in Benue State.
Our Position on the acquisition or ownership of a private Jet:
1. If the private jet is an equipment for kingdom assignment, then it cannot be considered an achievement. Though congratulations for a worthy feat is natural, especially among loved ones and well wishers, it is not necessary in this case. After all, who was ever congratulated for buying a microphone with which to preach the gospel? Nobody was ever congratulated for buying a Bible, a keyboard, amplifiers, speakers, drum sets or other sound and crusade equipment for kingdom assignment. So, it is pointless to send congratulatory messages for what is a basic work tool for kingdom evangelistic assignment.
2. The greatest congratulations we would ever like to receive is from our Master at the end of the journey for souls won, lives transformed and destinies changed in the course of our assignment on the earth with the statement: "Well done, thou good and faithful servant."
3. We do not need to acquire or buy an equipment before we can own it.
4. We have the capacity to announce by ourselves, whatever we deem news-worthy.

God bless you all, and may the peace of the Lord abide with you as you stay faithful and remain committed to the truth.
This is the truth! Take it and spread it.

Culled from Dr Pastor Paul Enenche’s Page

Do the statements in bold mean the man bought a jet or not

Goldbw122:
If only they have the idea to help the masses, and invest in this country, and make youth future bright rather than buying lucrative lifestyle hmm... I don't just understand did Jesus but private jet hmm?

How can they understand what they do not have...Jesus, that is.

Purchasing a private jet in the name of God is against God. Purchasing one for your own personal agenda and ideas is not though but since the money used for this was taken from God's sheep.... people need to read that book called the Bible with their eyes and head intact and clear of all of the lies that are doctrines and traditions of men for to see that God made 3even these things clear to all.

traveluk:
I am so happy for the church. He needs it for his busy schedule evangelism. The church of God will keep prospering. Pastor Adeboye once said, a time is coming and is very soon when every provincial pastor will have his or her jet hanger at the redeemed airport on the redemption camp.

When Jesus Christ was on earth, did He also hav a busy schedule?

The church of God will keep prospering? But the people will keep languishing in poverty compared to those who are in the world?

A time will come when every provincial pastor will have his or her hanger at a redeemed airport or redemption camp because that is one of God's missions for the church ?

Hohenheim:
Because every story with a hero needs a villain, else the hero becomes useless, the people that wrote the Bible didn't really think it through.

Those that wrote it? How so?

livingchrist:
It was a test, an opportunity for Adam to either follow God or refuse him.

There was a time that even the Angels had to choose whom they will follow, today everybody is presented with the opportunity to choose whether to accept God or reject him.

There was? When?

Jman24:
Philosophers everywhere

It then means that man created the concept of the devil abi? (since by man came death...)

How did you pull this from that comment?

iampeterben:
If I should explain to you here your mind can't carry it and I can perceive you are still very much soaked in a shallow mind. Return to the Lord before its too late okay. Give your life to Christ today.

again...

Kobojunkiee:
Ok. So, what has God to do with Instagram and your social media accounts and statuses or posts?

iampeterben:
Nah am not dragging God oh

Ok. So, what has God to do with Instagram and your social media accounts and statuses or posts?

iampeterben:
To you its but to those of us that believe in God is not. Let me start with you first have you given your life to Christ?

What has any of what that man said to do with what Jesus Christ commanded?

Abeg, stop trying to drag God down into your muck!

OkCornel:
Lol, why always that emoji though

I see myself as more a skeptic so it appeals to me.

TMSMedia:
You will give account for your Instagram, Facebook – Evang Bamiloye To Social Media Influencers


Clergyman, Mike Bamiloye, has stated that those who have large followers on social media platforms like Instagram and Facebook, who aren't using it to feed the followers with the "Word of Life," will give an account for their pages someday, IgbereTV reports.

He shared this thought in a post he shared on his Instagram page.k

Na lie!

You are better keeping God and the things of God off your social media than preaching lies and deceit in the name of God. Jesus Christ already of the fate that awaits all false teachers and prophets (blind ones too) - a fate so terrible that they would wish they were drowned in the deepest part of the sea.

elated177:
You are wasting your time.

Are you trying to chicken out

BRATISLAVA:
I'm not gossiping you, it's right here in the open where you are free to make your own input. The benefit of any discussion here, is that it will be open for future readers.

You can't only live by a few books of the Bible, it has to be in its entirety. And that may be where Christians tend to disagree, when some of them put certain messages above others whereas all are equally important.

Eg. The prosperity crew etc who focus on only one aspect, neglecting the rest. You can see how it isn't helpful.

Anyway, it is interesting to note that you're not the atheist you appeared to be.

Your doctrine differs.

Actually, Jesus Christ Himself told you that you do not live by bread alone but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God. And who comes from the mouth of God?

Jesus Christ, the Word of God, the New Covenant Law of God in the Kingdom of God. He is the Law that you are called to put your Trust in and to obey.... the doctrines and traditions of men are lies compared to His Word.

The problem with the prosperity crew, holiness gang, grace gospel folks etc. Is not really that they focus on parts of the Gospel... no. Instead, it is that they all deny the place to Jesus Christ and His teachings in all their efforts. That is the problem.

The prosperity gang, the grace gang, you name every denomination out there.. they pick apart and only choose those portions that suit their agenda and ideas from the very Gospel of the Kingdom of God which we are all called to follow and obey. They cannot abide the teachings and commandments for what it is and represents.

About my doctrine, it does not differ from what is presented right there in the very teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ, again, is the one who we are told is the only way so it would make no sense for me to follow the Old Covenant way. Jesus Christ is the Truth of God so it would make no sense for me to seek out the opinions of me over the Word of God Himself in all things. Jesus Christ is the Life we have in the Kingdom of God and so His Law is the standard by which we are to live here in the world if we are to attain any of the goals He has placed before us.

BRATISLAVA:
That's what only the message of grace causes. When some Christians only read one side of their Bibles, because they don't like what the rest of it contains.

Message of grace as in eternal life?

When someone comes to gossip about another, only take what is said as just that..what is said.

I don't read one side of the Bible... I read all of the bible including everything extrabiblical I can lay my hands on.
There is a reason to research all scripture, and since all knowledge(good and evil alike) belongs to God, there is nothing to loose. So you see how in error the one who you listened to there is?

He claims I only believe mainly in what is written in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Well. As one who is a follower of Jesus Christ, and whose life is modeled after the teachings of Jesus Christ, where else in the bible do you fine the very New Covenant Law as given us by Jesus Christ?

OkCornel:
Egbon mi, make we die the matter sir.
Back to the topic biko...

ok

OkCornel:
God raised Moses to lead his flock.
Raised judges to put them in check.
Permitted the Israelites to have kings even though it was not His sovereign will.
Sent Prophets to communicate His plans to them.
Sent His son Jesus to the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus sent his Apostles to all nations.

The Lord is the God of the Heavens and the Earth, yet sent men to lead his flock... but the church is exempted from having a structure without human shepherds in place? Really?

Nah...looking at the bigger picture, your position doesn’t add up. But it doesn’t matter, you’ll still believe what you want anyways so... no probs.

I showed you where the same God who used men to lead His people people swore that He would not do that again -that does not seem to concern you much since you are set on having your church leaders extolled.

I showed you where the same God who used men in the Old days to teach people about Himself, swore that it would not be so in His New Covenant, but for you, it seems what God says matters little since there are men who claim otherwise.

I showed you where the God who raised Judges over His people of Old, decreed that no longer will men judge His flock... but He alone will do that, but you are more interested in what role humans can play regardless.

I showed you where the same God who sent prophets to His people decide that instead, all those in His flock will be prophets(He installs His own Spirit in all of them), but you don't seem to care at all what He has said of this.

I showed you where Jesus Christ forbade His followers against occupying roles are leaders/authorities over the others in His flock, but you reject what Jesus said.

God knows those who belong in His Church/flock, the only one that matters. He knows His sheep and keeps them. He is the only Shephered over His flock. The only King in His Kingdom. But...

I am reminded of the weird sampling from Isaiah.. we beat the drums, you didn't dance...we sang you a dirge, you didn't clap..

OkCornel:
Ephesians 4 v 11;
Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.
But if you don’t subscribe to what Paul wrote up there, then here’s what the rock upon which Christ built the church (Apostle Peter) said concerning Paul;

2 Peter 3 v 15-16
15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.

16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

So there you go. There are offices, roles, positions of leadership and structure in the church.
Just like an army. There’s the general, Lieutenant General, down to the foot soldiers.
Or like the body, there’s the head, arm, leg etc. Different roles, different functions, different levels of leadership. There’s order and structure in any body God sets up.

You have not been paying attention at all, have you?

God Almighty told that He alone is everything where it concerns those who belong to Him. Yet, you are all too willing to call God liar for the sake of doctrines and traditions of men here?

Jesus Christ, the Law Himself, stated that none of His own should set themselves up as authorities over God's flock, but here you claim Jesus Christ a liar by the words of Paul and then Peter.

Do you not, even now, see where your trust continues to lie in these things? Do you not see that even now, you continue to do exactly that which I have already made clear as your pattern in these things?

OkCornel:
1 John 2 v 26-27;
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
The above verses lets us know the Holy Spirit is the ultimate leader and teacher of God’s truth. Not man.

Please try to pay close attention to the meaning in what God is telling you by His Word.

Almighty God Himself declared to you that He alone is Teacher to all those who belong to Him. Jesus Christ came down and reiterated the same claim made previously by God Almighty, that indeed, God alone will be the only Teacher you need. Then you have above, a disciple of the same Jesus Christ bearing witness to the very teaching of Jesus Christ that, indeed, God alone is the only Teacher you need.

OkCornel:
However, bear in mind that this same Spirit has given the gift of teaching and other gifts as he desires to different believers for the building and edification of the body. It takes away nothing from the fact that He is the ultimate authority every believer should defer to.

But here you insist that God lied all of the previous times He proclaimed that He alone would be Teacher/authority over each of His followers... and why? Because you want to give concession to ideas that God does not mean what He says. Doesn't this here clue you into the existence of a Trust issue where God Almighty is concerned?

God never said anything about being the ultimate authority... He insisted that He is the only Teacher/Authority/Shepherd/Master/Father/Leader/Head/God over all those who belong to HIm. Jesus Christ insisted upon this and John, the Apostle, confirmed this is indeed the case. But why do you find God's account non-credible in these things? Why do you not Trust God, in this and in other things?

OkCornel:
So yes, I get you totally. Which still brings me to my initial question. If the Holy Spirit specifically instructs me to give money or possessions to the ministry of a God fearing pastor, are you telling me to disobey the Holy Spirit’s instructions? Or should we limit the Holy Spirit to the written word of God? (Take note, I wrote “written word”)

Nah! I am afraid you are still lost in this since you still feel you need to bring God's own declaration subject to man's. Jesus Christ Himself informed you that the Spirit of God will never contradict God Almighty, and so He will never instruct you to go against the very Law of God as that amounts to deceit and God is not a liar, nor is He a man that He would change His mind. I think you need to ask yourself if it is God you trust or the words of your "God-fearing" men that you instead draw your strength from.

Case to consider: Let me give you an example of what God would never do. So, somewhere in the letters written by John and by Paul, we read that each of these men clearly refers to themselves as fathers over those God had allowed them to preach to and help bring into God's flock. Now, if you were to judge this, knowing that Jesus Christ clearly declared that none of His own are to be called Father over anyone in His fold, you would probably say that the Spirit of Truth is the one who specifically instructed that these apostles call themselves fathers over some of God's flock. Well, you would be wrong because Jesus Christ forbade such action, and since Jesus Christ made it clear that the Spirit of Truth would take from that which is His(His Truth /Teaching) to give to you, we know that the Spirit, therefore, cannot contradict Jesus Christ in this and so it is instead the case that John and Paul sinned by their action.

See how easy and straightforward that is? Now I ask you, why are you instead eager to throw God and His Truth under the Bus in order to further the lies of men? What does your soul really gain from such exercise?

WinningEleven:
Before I used to struggle so damn much with my flesh
But now, it has drastically reduced and I win battles against the flesh more easily than before

Feed the spirit and starve the flesh. It’s like ripping out a band aid ,it’ll first hurt (initial gra gra from the dark ones), but as you keep on moving forward, you’ll see that things will become more bearable

Yes, it is possible to remain pure in this sinful world

It is even so possible to be perfect in this sinful world and the way to achieving that is by feeding your mind the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Law by which we are called to the Kingdom of God.

In John 8, Jesus Christ instructs that in order to free oneself from the bondage of sin , one needs to know the Truth, where the Truth is infact the teachings and commandments laid out for us by the person of Jesus Christ. When you know the Truth(and you obey the Truth) , the Truth shall set you free.

REDH2:
Good morning Beloved

Peace be unto you in the name of our Lord Jesus

Sell all and buy the pearl

Matthew 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.

Beloved, give up the ways of the world, sin and fleshly lusts, put them off from you, cast it off, don't hold on it but acquire the pearl: seek the Kingdom of Heaven, therefore in doing so

1. Walk in Holiness i.e live a life that pleases GOD in words and deeds - that each word that proceeds from your lips and what you do and engage in pleases the Lord your GOD. Put off lying, gossiping, swearing, cursing and stealing from your lips and ways.
2. Live a life consecrated to GOD - that your body and all you have is channeled towards glorifying Him, that you no longer seek to please men or yourself but to live for Him which died for you and rose again.

Flee from fornication and all manners of sexual sin, unholy dressing - those dressing that makes others weak in faith and at the same time does not honour GOD. Your body is GOD's temple, therefore consecrate your body to please Him in all things.

3. Live a sanctified life - this can only be attained by constant renewal of your mind by the Word of GOD and putting off those things which pertains to the world i.e don't give your mind to those things which will not edify you neither profit your soul but only give pleasure for a moment and in it lies the way of death - sin.

4. Be pure - worldly songs, movies, comedy and worldly engagements will pollute your heart and teach you ungodliness. Therefore be pure in heart, give not your heart unto pollution. Purity is the result of sanctification. Give attention to GOD's Word and He shall cleanse your ways (Psalm 119:9)

Therefore Beloved, purge yourself of the old leaven (life) and seek & cleave to the new life in Christ Jesus by obedience to these words.

The Kingdom of Heaven is a pearl of great price - requires a lot of sacrifices, sacrifice the world, give up sin and seek the Kingdom of Heaven. Heaven is so valuable that you must first sell off the old life before you attain it.

Will you be that man who sells all he had in order to have that goodly pearl? Beloved, I beseech you to be that man, cut off those association with the world and sinful lifestyle and seek to enter through Heaven's gate. Very few seek this narrow path but Beloved be among this very few!

Lastly, give diligent heed to fervent and effectual prayers.

The Grace of our Lord Jesus be with you. Amen.

GOD bless you.

Shalom.

#AcceptChrist
#LiveforChrist

God never gave any commands indicating a dress code of any kind. So, it is not your place to tell anyone how to dress in the Kingdom of God. God is the one and only Teacher over those who belong to Him and He alone can give them instructions on what they can or cannot wear.

Also where it concerns watching of movies, comedies, songs, God never gave His people commandments regarding those either. So, it's not your place to tell others what they can or cannot listen to. If a lesson is needed God Himself will teach His own.

As for the Kingdom of God, given your all means losing everything, just as Jesus Christ commanded, and everything includes that ego and reputation you have built up for yourself as a "holy holy ". Be sure that some will start off thinking themselves closer to the image of God, by Man's standard ofcourse, but will be transformed into persons without shame or inhibition, by God Himself.

Donvic4u:
Since you are already versed in the knowledge of God,
Pls let others learn too, you can do that by answering their questions just as I have asked, if you don't have an answer pls allow others to contribute.
Thanks

I am trying to tell you that your adoption of those doctrines contained in these "daily manna" readings is keeping you from learning the very thing that God complained of in Hosea 4 there.

OkCornel:
Brother mi, end of discussion. There’s nothing else to discuss on the matter, as that’s what you understand so far

I will use this opportunity to make clear God's stance on your "church" authorities really is, and this according to the New Covenant, Jesus Christ.

a) God alone is Teacher - God declared through His Prophets that He alone will be a teacher over those who belong in His flock, in Jeremiah 31. Jesus Christ echoed this same teaching in His New Covenant.

Matthew 23 vs 8-9 (ERV)
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8. “But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher.
9. And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven.

b) God alone is Shepherd - God declared in Ezekiel 34 that He alone will be shepherd over His flock. He fired the shepherds of Old to prove this and through Jesus Christ echoed the same message.

John 10 vs 7-20 (ERV)
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7. So Jesus said again, “I assure you, I am the gate for the sheep.
8. All those who came before me were thieves and robbers. The sheep did not listen to them.
9. I am the gate. Whoever enters through me will be saved. They will be able to come in and go out. They will find everything they need.
10. A thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy. But I came to give life—life that is full and good.
11. “I am the good shepherd, and the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep.
12. The worker who is paid to keep the sheep is different from the shepherd. The paid worker does not own the sheep. So when he sees a wolf coming, he runs away and leaves the sheep alone. Then the wolf attacks the sheep and scatters them.
13. The man runs away because he is only a paid worker. He does not really care for the sheep.

14-15. “I am the shepherd who cares for the sheep. I know my sheep just as the Father knows me. And my sheep know me just as I know the Father. I give my life for these sheep.
16. I have other sheep too. They are not in this flock here. I must lead them also. They will listen to my voice. In the future, there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17. The Father loves me because I give my life. I give my life so that I can get it back again.
18. No one takes my life away from me. I give my own life freely. I have the right to give my life, and I have the right to get it back again. This is what the Father told me.”
19. Again the Jews were divided over what Jesus was saying.
20. Many of them said, “A demon has come into him and made him crazy. Why listen to him?”

c) God alone is Master over His followers

Matthew 6 vs 24 (ERV)
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24. “You cannot serve two masters at the same time. You will hate one and love the other, or you will be loyal to one and not care about the other. You cannot serve God and Money[d] at the same time.

Again...

Matthew 23 vs 10-12 (ERV)
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10. And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah.
11. Whoever serves you like a servant is the greatest among you.
12. People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great.

d) God alone is Father over all of His followers...

[b] Matthew 23 vs 8-9 (ERV)
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8. “But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher.
9. And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven.

e) God is your leader and guide - In Ezekiel, God describes how by His Spirit, He will command and lead His followers to the obedience of His commandments.

Ezekiel 36 vs 24-30 (ESV)
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24. “I will take you out of those nations, gather you together, and bring you back to your own land.
25. Then I will sprinkle pure water on you and make you pure. I will wash away all your filth, the filth from those nasty idols, and I will make you pure.
26. I will also put a new spirit in you to change your way of thinking. I will take out the heart of stone from your body and give you a tender, human heart.
27. I will put my Spirit inside you[c] and change you so that you will obey my laws. You will carefully obey my commands.
28. Then you will live in the land that I gave to your ancestors. You will be my people, and I will be your God.
29. Also, I will save you and keep you from becoming unclean. I will command the grain to grow. I will not bring a famine against you.
30. I will give you large crops of fruit from your trees and the harvest from your fields so that you will never again feel the shame of being hungry in a foreign country.
31. You will remember the bad things you did. You will remember that those things were not good. Then you will hate yourselves because of your sins and the terrible things you did.”

f) His followers are instructed not to occupy seats or positions of authority or leadership over the others.

Matthew 20 vs 20-28 (ESV)
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20. Then Zebedee’s wife came to Jesus and brought her sons. [/b]She bowed before Jesus and asked him to do something for her.
[b] 21. Jesus said, “What do you want?”
She said, “Promise that one of my sons will sit at your right side in your kingdom and the other at your left.”
22. So Jesus said to the sons, “You don’t understand what you are asking. Can you drink from the cup[a] that I must drink from?”
The sons answered, “Yes, we can!”
23. Jesus said to them, “It is true that you will drink from the cup that I drink from. But it is not for me to say who will sit at my right or my left. My Father has decided who will do that. He has prepared those places for them.”
24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

After reading through the passages, where do you think the leadership you have in your churches, today, come from. Are you sure the same God who declared all of the above is the same God who "called" them to rule over His flock?

africandollar:
Definitely the fault is with the person who sins but the partner who the sin was committed against would only be able to totally forgive the erring partner through God’s grace and at times the ‘prodigals’ are the ones who tend to have a better understanding of God’s grace

That is not true unless you are going to, declare, in the same breathe, that the same God's grace exists in unbelievers/atheists, rendering mute this suggestion.

africandollar:
however this shouldn’t be so because seeing that Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for our sins should show us that that is the highest form of grace made available to man.

I am sorry what? Jesus Christ did not pay any ultimate sacrifice for your sins. I think you are strung up on the doctrines of men on that one. Instead, according to Jesus Christ, you are instead saved(by His resurrection) from the condemnation of sin(Death), not to be confused in any way or form with sin itself.

africandollar:
Also, someone who falls into sin and gets convicted by the Holy Spirit would most likely confess his shortcomings to the partner but an habitual sinner would NEVER do that!

First, nobody "falls" into sin. Sin is disobedience and disobedience is a choice, a decision that is consciously made, particularly when the person is aware of the teachings/commandments of God.

Second, one who sins does not get convicted by the Spirit of God. Have you not read, "You shall be Holy unto me, for I, the Lord, am Holy" or "Be ye perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is Perfect"? The Spirit of God does not live inside of a one who is still tangled up in sin- such a vessel is an unholy slave of sin and of his father, the devil!

When Jesus Christ spoke of the Spirit of God entering to convict the world of sin, He did not imply that the Spirit would indwell those who are in the world, but instead that by shining the light of Jesus Christ through those who are followers of Jesus Christ, the light reveals to the Sinners the difference between what they do and what God desires.

africandollar:
The confession I believe is necessary to hold him accountable and also to regain the trust the other partner has in him but as far as God is concerned he’s already forgiven.

My conclusion is that the grace of God should be preached more often else affected marriages would never be healed and should the ailing partner choose not to confess because of the ridicule he might face the hypocrisy being haboured would prevent them from fully walking in God’s will.

I’m sure you’ve heard of some seriously anointed men of God who fell into this same trap but their ministry never recovered from the scandal! I don’t think these men of God stored up sin in their heart but the culprit always is the flesh...pray the devil doesn’t make one his business to make the ministry God committed into his hands to fail!

Remember Jesus words to the woman caught in adultery... [b]And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.”[/b]That should be the attitude we have towards those caught in the trap of sin and not to keep knocking them down.

Sin is disobedience, a decision or choice made, not while committing the act of defiance but instead conceived in the heart at the point when decision or choice is made to act contrary to God's commandment/rule. Jesus Christ made it clear that it is at the point that desire to act contrary to God's commandment is birthed, that the sin is committed. So, whatever consequences that follow the actual act, cannot help or erase the fault that has already been registered against the person.

Also, there is no such thing as "the trap of sin". Everyone is tempted but the one who still has sin in his heart is likely to fall to temptation, and fall hard. When he does, it behooves him to go to God, penitent sinner that he ought to be, to ask for forgiveness, accepting instead the consequence of his "fall" as God will allow it. If those around decide to show him mercy, then it is theirs to do so, and not for him to demand it of them.

Honestly, I think you have said a lot here that does not even align with biblical teaching, causing me to wonder if you realize that your premise is faulty !

falcon01:
The jesus died for our sin Issue unko?

Doctrines and traditions of men....

OkCornel:
Bros, I leave the matter to rest then.

No, why?

NewSoul:
Exactly many church goers have hidden under grace to do all sorts of things

What does "hidden under grace" even mean?

OkCornel:
So it was not leadership in the church?
They would have thrones and gates in heaven but no position of leadership in the church?

Leadership in what church? Read the passage again...

Matthew 19 vs 26-30 (ESV)
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26. Jesus looked at them and said, “This is something that people cannot do. But God can do anything.”
27. Peter said to him, “We left everything we had and followed you. So what will we have?”
28. Jesus said to them, “When the time of the new world comes, the Son of Man will sit on his great and glorious throne. And I can promise that you who followed me will sit on twelve thrones, and you will judge the twelve tribes of Israel.
29. Everyone who has left houses, brothers, sisters, father, mother, children, or farms to follow me will get much more than they left. And they will have eternal life.
30. Many people who are first now will be last in the future. And many who are last now will be first in the future.

Here's a clue... the 12 men in question are Jews, formerly of the Old Covenant, and we know that the Church of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the tribe of Israel... or maybe I should say this is a tale of 2 different Kingdoms - the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of God. The passage above speaks of the Kingdom of Israel.

The only leadership in the Kingdom of God is Jesus Christ... He is the Head of the Church and the Only leader over those who belong in His flock, both and even afterwards since we are all equal heirs in His Kingdom.

daylay7:
Yes

Do you know why there are over 40,000 Christian denominations, over 2 billion "Christians" but not even a sign or hint of the world being better for it?
It is because Christians have been getting their knowledge of God from the mouths of men - other people - rather than from the mouth of God Himself. God is not in the mouth of someone else... He said that He will be your Only Teacher.... He will teach you about Himself. Someone said "Let God be true and men liars!

Anyway, about tithing, I am afraid you have been lied to by people you listen to. Jesus Christ preached a different doctrine from that given the Old Covenant Jews, and so, it is instead the teachings of Jesus Christ that you ought to busy yourself learning.

Kings999:
I want to argue with the Atheist about the existence and non existence of God....
Atheist should argue with explanations.....
I start,
did Adam ever exist?

Please stop this immediately and go find yourself a good book to read instead.