Christianity Etc › Re: Why Christians Shouldn't Settle For Anything Less Than Spiritual Perfection by Kobojunkiee: 12:59pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
BRATISLAVA: I think that's where the "self-righteousness" people are from. I can't understand why a Christian can't be righteous consciously, instead acting like they don't know what righteousness is.
Besides, the guy who was arguing it cannot even say if he is born again or not, so I know that it is a false doctrine. But what exactly is righteousness?  Jesus Christ said, "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God(Holiness), and His Righteousness ...", so it is important to know Righteousness apart from Holiness.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't God Kill The Devil? by Kobojunkiee: 12:43pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Jayrockk: I'm a Christian and I believe God is perfect in all ramifications, but sometimes when i start to think of the evil that has happened, and the evil happening these days I tell myself this could have been avoided if God destroyed the devil. I ask myself why God didn't kill the devil and also why was the forbidden fruit in the garden of Eden in the first place. I know the devil is the cause of evil but sometimes I blame God for what's happening and doubt His existence sometimes, but then deep down i know He is real. So religious experts in the house what's your say about this? The Devil is the cause of Evil or Man's disobedience is the door that let Evil to having more control over our existence than it was made tow wield?  If by devil, you mean Satan, then he was created so even from the beginning as he is today. I am not certain there was even a time when he was not as he is today. He wa made for God's purpose and that purpose he serves even to this day, so why would God need to kill him?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't God Forgive Adam And Eve? by Kobojunkiee: 12:38pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
WorstWanderland: nobody is perfect That is a lie told by men to deceive their fellow man.  You were told of many righteous men in the same Bible, perfect men, who walked with God, some even from their youth!.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Didn't God Forgive Adam And Eve? by Kobojunkiee: 12:37pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
viyon02: They are both perfect being and they had the ability to resist the temptation. We also have the ability to resist temptation as well. Did you not read of the Old Covenant, "Ye shall be holy unto me, for I the Lord am Holy "? And of the New Covenant, "Be ye perfect even as your Father in Heaven is perfect"?  Why would God give His people such a command if it were impossible for them to achieve?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: What Happen When One Rebel Against God? by Kobojunkiee: 12:32pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
WorstWanderland: when one rebels against God will there be any opportunity(second chance) for his or her repentance?
even if he did will he be forgiven or becomes like satan and his agents who are reserve for everlasting destruction? So long as you do not blaspheme, in your rebellion, against the Spirit of God, you will always have a chance while you still draw that is.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 12:22pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Jman24: And it doesn't occur to you that those events(if true) all happened in Africa according to your good book? Events occurred in Africa?  These are at least 40,000 other delusions, all claimed to originate from the same Bible. Yours is no much different or more special than those of others.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Youtube Suspended TB Joshua’s Emmanuel TV by Kobojunkiee: 12:11pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Kayberg: And I thought you said you only believe and accept the teachings of JESUS CHRIST according the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John!?
You're just another deceptive teacher going round misleading the gullible ones. If you can openly twist Matthew 15:18-20, then you really need to go back to study.
Will you say you can't understand what our LORD JESUS CHRIST was saying there that these things defile man? Come on! Stop being satanically manipulated with false self conceived doctrines. You are free to conclude as you will.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The Universal Law Of Tithing. The Truth Is... by Kobojunkiee: 7:56am On Apr 22, 2021 |
uchkochi: UNDERSTANDING THE UNIVERSAL LAW OF TITHING. THE TRUTH IS EVERYBODY TITHES CONSCIOUSLY TO GOD OR UNCONCIOUSLY TO THE DEVIL. IT IS A LAW.
If you will not tithe, you will keep struggling. There are things you must know about tithing;
1. Tithing is what God uses to test you if you are matured enough to handle great resources. Just 10 percent of your increase demanded by God will keep you eternally away from struggles.
2. The Poor can become rich by tithing, the rich can become poor by not tithing. God is no respecter of persons.
3. You are where you are by your decision to either tithe or not to tithe.
4. Tithing is the easiest instruction God gave us in scriptures that commands the greatest future. Indebtedness, losses, sicknesses and diseases, frustrations, begging are all evidences of a NON-TITHING LIFE.
5. Tithing is the simplest instruction because God didn't ask you to go and look for money from somewhere, it is from what comes to your hand that you pay your tithe. If nothing comes to your hand, then you are justified not to pay your tithe. But if something comes to your hand then you must tithe if things will stop being tight for you.
6. The tithe is what you remove first before any other thing.
7. You cannot pray the devourer away, you cannot fast the devourer away, you can only tithe the devourer away because it is only God that can rebuke the devourer because tithing is a universal law. He said "bring ye all the tithe and I will rebuke the devourer...." Malachi 3:11.
8. Where you pay your tithe is as important as paying your tithe. You only pay your tithe to churches or ministries or men of God that meets your spiritual needs. 1st Corinthians 9:11, Galatians 6:6.
OMEGA GOSPEL NETWORK.(CYBER/MOBILE CHURCH) +2348034868232 Lying in the name of God is considered blasphemy in the Old Covenant and is punishable by stoning, to death, that is.  So if you are going to take extract from and twist only parts of the Old Law, be sure that your acts remain condemned by and in the same Law.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 7:41am On Apr 22, 2021 |
perezeghi: Likewise the new covenant is rooted in the blood of Christ Jesus. That was why He ought to die and was/is resurrected. As for the above statement, I felt it necessary to make it clear to you why Jesus Christ had to die - counter that popular narrative that many of you have been fed by your many pastors and preachers out there who read you the same scripts they have themselves heard without ever thinking to verify any of it for themselves. According to the Old Covenant Law/agreement between God and His people, Israel, the only way to fulfill the Old Covenant requirement was to attain righteousness and then die afterward, a righteous man.  Well, Jesus Christ fulfilled the requirements of the Old Covenant Law - He died a righteous sinless man- so that all those of the blood of Jacob, who were still sinners and would leave the Old Covenant for the New Covenant would be imparted with His Righteousness and His Death, bringing to an end the hold of the Old Covenant on them(without penalty), and at the same time maintaining their place in the promise of the Old Covenant while they seek out a new life in the New Covenant.  Jesus Christ's death was what I call inevitable and necessary for good reason. First, almost every prophet before Him was murdered. John the Baptist, the last of them and all He did was preach repentance to a sinful woman to get his head lobbed off. So Jesus Christ came ready to die at the hands of the same thugs. I mean He came in the name of God preaching a departure from the Old Covenant - some would say He was begging to be killed.  Second, in order for His mission to the lost sheep of Israel(Jewish sinners) to be made complete, He had to die. The fulfillment of the Old Covenant made that necessary in order that through His death, the lost of Sheep of Israel(Jewish sinners) gained victory over the Old Covenant as they are ushered into a New Covenant with God. So, for the sake of the Lost Sheep(Jewish sinners), Jesus Christ needed to die.  Third, for His New Covenant to apply to those of other nations -the gentiles who were born dead to the Law by God's design - He had to rise from the dead. This so that through His resurrection, He imparts the Life that He is to those previously condemned to death(dust to dust). So, for the sake of the Nations, Jesus Christ had to die - He came knowing this and prepared to die.  The fourth reason why Jesus Christ had to die was so that He could then live inside of His followers. They become His body and force by which His work to continue from generation to generation, all of them of course, driven by Him through submission and obedience to the New Covenant of God through Jesus Christ.  His blood - the blood of the Covenant - was shed for the forgiveness of the sins of those who belong in His New Covenant. Pretty much since it was to be shed anyway, why not. After all, He was a sinless man ...God's own avatar, the Law, and the King Himself in the Kingdom of God so His blood was perfect for the job.  So, in a sense, He died for the sinners, those of the blood of Jacob - He came to call the sinners and not the righteous among them. Though they come to Him, the New Covenant, as Old Covenant sinners, through the impartation of His own Righteousness and His own Death upon them, they are made righteous where the old Covenant is concerned and dead to it but give His Life in the New Covenant.  So it has nothing to do with blood sacrifices or human ones as you imagine on altars and whatnot. His sacrifice is of a different kind entirely.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 7:17am On Apr 22, 2021 |
perezeghi: You really need to re-read the Scripture and probably change your basic comprehension skills. I think you will really benefit a great deal from applying basic human language comprehension skills when reading the Bible as well as any text written by human hands and in human language cause I see from your response that you didn't quite comprehend the content of my previous comment.  perezeghi: Let me use some of your words.... Unfortunately, it does not appear that you used any of my own words here. perezeghi: The old covenant (law)is not rooted in Jacob's blood as you claim but rooted in the blood of circumcision. It is a prerequisite.Try go study what happened to Moses before he did circumcision. Likewise the new covenant is rooted in the blood of Christ Jesus. That was why He ought to die and was/is resurrected. I don't understand the logic behind your claim that Circumcision is a "root" of the covenant, nor do I understand what you mean when you suggest the blood of Jesus Christ as the "root" of the New Covenant, so I am afraid I can't speak to that.  What I do know is that as the rainbow is the seal/sign of the Noahic Covenant, so is circumcision the seal of the first covenant that God made with Abraham, and eventually with those with the blood of Jacob running through their veins. And this where the "seal" of a covenant/agreement is the differentiating sign or mark expressing a binding to the respective Covenant.  Genesis 17 vs 1-11 (ERV) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 1. When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to him. He said, “I am God All-Powerful.[a] Obey me and live the right way. 2. If you do this, I will prepare an agreement between us. I will promise to make your people a great nation.” 3. Then Abram bowed down before God. God said to him, 4. “This is my part of our agreement: I will make you the father of many nations. 5. I will change your name from Abram[b] to Abraham,[c] because I am making you the father of many nations. 6. I will give you many descendants. New nations and kings will come from you. 7. And I will prepare an agreement between me and you. This agreement will also be for all your descendants. It will continue forever. I will be your God and the God of all your descendants. 8. And I will give this land to you and to all your descendants. I will give you the land you are traveling through—the land of Canaan. I will give you this land forever, and I will be your God.”
9. Then God said to Abraham, “Now, this is your part of the agreement: You and all your descendants will obey my agreement. 10. This is my agreement that all of you must obey. This is the agreement between me and you and all your descendants. Every male must be circumcised. 11. You will cut the skin to show that you follow the agreement between me and you. The seal of the New Covenant agreement/contract is not the blood of Jesus Christ alone but the Blood, Water, and Spirit of Truth living inside of those who have Salvation in Jesus Christ.  perezeghi: Covenants are symbols of bonds. Laws are principles/statues/commands that are expected to put us in checks. As the passage above also clearly informs you, a Covenant is a contract/agreement/Law between two parties warranting that each party sticks to the terms and conditions stipulated as a way of honoring the other party. Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster. 16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own. 17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods, 18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.
19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live. 20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” The Old Covenant Law of Moses for example consists not just of Laws/Statutes/rules, but also blessings, curses, rituals, and promises which pertain only to those to which is it binding to - those who are of the Blood of Jacob .i.e. Descendants of Abraham & Isaac & Jacob, as is made clear in the passage above. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 10:55pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
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Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 10:47pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
John 9:3.....that the works of God should be made manifest in him
Evil is done by God. That is wickedness.
What sort of manifestation would you want in sickle cell aside pains? Again, this does not change any of what I have said on this so far. . Kobojunkiee: You are free to come to your own conclusions about Him. 
I mean some others would maybe apply rules like...
1) Good + Evil = Neutral
2) 51% Good + 49% Evil = Good
3) 49% Good + 51 Evil = Evil
4) God exists in a plane above His creations' understanding for to be graded by anyone of His creations.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 10:41pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: Conditions on ground, bible verses, and your submissions left me with no choice You are free to come to your own conclusions about Him.  I mean some others would maybe apply rules like... 1) Good + Evil = Neutral 2) 51% Good + 49% Evil = Good 3) 49% Good + 51 Evil = Evil 4) God exists in a plane above His creations' understanding for to be graded by anyone of His creations. |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 10:34pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: At the same time wicked.
For once creating a young man with eye defect in John 9. And also forming sickle cell babies. So, you want to believe that because He controls it all means He is also wicked?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 10:31pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: Didn't Amos 3:6 said the evil is controlled by God? John 9:1-3 posit same God is sovereign, is He not?  God is Almighty implies that He is the source of all powers, is that not so?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 10:29pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: All good ke? Nothing is good in calamity, disease, sickle cell or natural disasters. Recall that "good" here was as controlled by God's Will alone, not Man's. Man decided to take control of his own destiny, giving God the back seat, and so we find ourselves ruled over by Evil instead of Good.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 10:22pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Were you not the one exonerating God from evil and calamities of this world? That there is bible verse attesting that he created evil and all calamities.
Amos 3:6 went further that all trouble in the world is orchestrated by God. Therefore, an innocent sickle cell child is put into pains and agony by God. If that isn't wickedness, could you tell us what it is? What part the statement "God created it all to His specification and He made it all good" are you having a hard time with?  Exonerate God? In what way? Does the word "All" not imply everything- good and evil - or what? Help me here cause I do not understanding what you are going for .  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 9:55pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
FOLYKAZE: You only painted the greeny field thereby artistically hiding the dangerous greeny snake which lied therein. Death, illness, and all other calamities are creation of God, Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6. How could a good God create a bad world in the first place?
Moreso, the original source of sickle cell is not the sin of the child or his parent or that of the first human. John 9:1-3 posit that God created diseases and pains not because of the sin of those affected but to glorify himself. That is wickedness my dear God created it all to His specification and He made it all good. The plants, animals, viruses, sickness...everything coexisting...it was all good. The man let sin in to control things and we are suffering for it.  Everything that exists, good and evil alike was created with a purpose, so do not think that there something that does exist without one.  So ask me better questions please.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 9:47pm On Apr 21, 2021*. Modified: 7:18am On Apr 22, 2021 |
Lagoon0: No be gentiles born me o! Some Egyptians and other tribe joined the Israelite back then na without having Jacobs bloodline  If you read your old testament wella you'll see many non Jacob descendant that were observing the laws of moses and abiding to the teaching of the prophets. Like I said earlier your philosophy is going too emotional. Christ fulfilment of the law was not to change the law. Salvation of the soul is one important thing. I don't know who lies to you but you as a Nigerian are more than 99.9999% gentile born, regardless of your old testament assumptions on the migration of the Jews of old.  Deuteronomy 30 vs 15-20 (ERV) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 15. “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster. 16. I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own. 17. But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods, 18. you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.
19. “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life or death. The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live. 20. You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” Stating my philosophy is based on an emotional argument of sorts, without even once pointing out how only reveals you the one seeking to cun your way out of dealing with the information before you. What is it that I have stated that is not according to the Bible?  I never said anything about Jesus Christ "changing" any law so what are you now rambling about? How can you have salvation when you don't even realize what it is you are being saved from and the how?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 9:42pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
perezeghi: How you interpret the Scripture seems......
Abraham's Seed is Christ Jesus as it was foretold. Christ Jesus is from the house of King David. Christ Jesus did not come to abolish any law but to bring to fulfilment that which was prophesied. And most importantly to bring to the knowledge of man, how they ought to have fellowship with the Father. In Christ Jesus there is neither Jew nor Gentile. We are all one in Christ. So if there is any commandments/laws that is binding on man to keep then it's for all creation of God to observe. I don't "interpret" the scriptures. I instead apply basic language comprehension skills when reading it. The Old Covenant Law of Moses is an eternal law that God made with those who are of the Blood of Jacob for Law in the Kingdom of Canaan. God made this severally clear in the book of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy where the law is clearly defined for all those who will open their eyes to learn it in detail. In Deuteronomy 30, Moses ratifies it by swearing before Heaven and earth, affirming yet again, what has been previously stated that said Law is indeed between God and those who have the blood of Jacob flowing their their veins.  The New Covenant Law , Jesus Christ is a different eternal Covenant which God makes with individual man of all nations(irrespective of race or ancestry) for Law in the Kingdom of God. The details of the New Covenant are found expressed in the Gospels(Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) and this Covenant was ratified on the cross when Jesus Christ announced "It is finished" and the died. His resurrection was for to bless all Nations just as God had declared He would do through Abraham.  Jesus Christ's fulfillment of the Old Covenant Law was for a purpose different from that which you assume since Jesus Christ never came to condemn those who rightly followed the Old Covenant way .I.e. those who were made righteous by the following of the Old Covenant. No, Jesus Christ did not come to call the Righteous but only the sinners to God.  And yes, there were righteous men in the land even when Jesus Christ was in it. He instead went out to find the sinners for they were the lost sheep of israel He was sent to.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is God Wicked For Doing This? by Kobojunkiee: 9:27pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Tony142: so, God just sit down one day and decided to create sickle cell anemia to suffer innocent children from birth  God created a "good" world, but man let the infection that is sin into the world, bringing with it death, illnesses,and all other calamities.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 9:08pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Lagoon0: Lolz what happened to old covenant Laws ? the Old Covenant was made by God between God and those who have the blood of Jacob flowing in their veins as Law for living well in the borders of the land of Canaan.  You are a Nigerian born of gentiles and as such were never included in that Covenant by God Himself. Plus you do not live in the land of Canaan.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: A Life Without Christ Will Be Full Of Crises. Mathew 1 Vs 18-end by Kobojunkiee: 8:34pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
NFFGG: A life Without Christ Will Be Full Of Crises. Mathew 1 vs 18-end
Consider this:
You abandoned and refused to believe in a man who was conceived by a virgin because of you, A man who was born because of you, a man who suffered for you, and died for your sake, our sake, in order to save the world and yet, you know him NOT. Is an ingrate not better than you? Why are you complaining of living a miserable life when you forsake your helper and creator ? If you taste the devil, he will give you 100 naira and take away 1000 naira from you. But God blesses His own people without adding sorrow to it. How painful are you when someone you suffer so much for, does not even value you? Think about how unhappy you will be if you die for someone and he or she does not show gratitude. As I speak, Jesus is very unhappy in Heaven that the world He died for does not know Him. Are you one of those who made Jesus very sad in Heaven? How do you think your life will be free from crises? Beloved, Jesus loves you. As sad as He is in Heaven because of your ingratitude, He does not want your life to remain in crisis, neither does He want you to die in your sin. Accept Jesus today and experience everlasting peace. Say: Lord Jesus, I am sorry for my sin. Please forgive me. I am ready for you. Come into my life and stay forever. Amen. That is not really true. Nowhere in the Gospels are you told by Jesus Christ that those who live without Him will have their lives filled with. Crisis.  Stop letting your pastors and GOs deceive you with these lies as they are unfounded and far from the Truth of God.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Young People Die Early -- Rev Fr Peter Omgbu by Kobojunkiee: 8:28pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Petro23: Young people die early causing severe pains to their family and loved ones. The reasons why they die early are highlighted in the Fr Omgbu Fada talk.8 There is no such thing as "dying early" since that supposes there is a previously appointed time for said death.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do We Still Have Female Ministers In Church ? by Kobojunkiee: 7:47pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Kalatium: these are old covenant between God and Israel not God and Christians You are right that they are all Ood Covenant rules that pertain to those who are of the blood of Jacob. And what Paul supposedly offers even in his epistles happens to be drawn from that too and not from the teachings of Jesus Christ, the New Covenant.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do We Still Have Female Ministers In Church ? by Kobojunkiee: 7:42pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Kalatium: so you mean Paul letter is a doctrine contrary to Christ We are not called to become Paulians, that's for sure. We are instead called to become followers of Jesus Christ - CHRISTians - and in His Kingdom, there are no men women, no yorubas or ibos, no black or white, no Methodist or Baptist, no old or young  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Ada Jesus' Mother Rejects Prophet Odumeje's N1 Million Gift To Ada Jesus (Video) by Kobojunkiee: 6:53pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
TruthinAction: He never said so but he implied it in a statement. After he healed a blind man. he told him, 'Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.' - John 5:14.
If sin could open the door for attack, it could also hinder your healing if you don't repent of it.
In a few cases, God chooses to show mercy but you must stay out of sin to retain your healing. But according to your statement, Jesus had already healed the man BEFORE the implication that you suggest came after it.  Here's another way to look at the same. If Jesus Christ had not met the man afterwards, would the man not have remained healed even as Jesus Christ had declared it so?  In few cases, God chooses to show mercy but you must... are you suggesting that of all the hundreds of people that were healed by Jesus Christ, a majority who did not become followers of Jesus Christ by the way, you are saying that a majority of them where thrown back to their former condition or worse since they continued in their sins?  All the hundreds Jesus Christ healed in chorazin and Bethsaida, whom Jesus Christ Himself admitted did not repent, were thrown back into their former state or worse?  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Salvation The Will Of God Or Man? by Kobojunkiee: 6:49pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: I cant make heads or tails about this your comment. You still have not answered my question. I will repeat it again to make it clearer. God said"let us make man in our own image, after our likeness....and God formed man from the dust of the earth and breathed into his nostrils and man became a living being"... Ecclesiaties 12;7 body returns to dust and spirit returns to God.. What is jesus saving? The body that returns to dust or the spirit (or breath) that returns to God? God gave humanity laws to follow, so they can have a more fulfilling experience.. Is it complicated? Why create the jesua character? Try to follow the flow please... sonmvayina: Salvation that the prophet talked about is from physical danger...because at death,the body returns to dust and the spirit back to God who gave it. The consequence of mans choice is death. God said "my spirit will not dwell for ever with man,his days shall be 120 years(maximum)...it does not need to be saved from anything. It is God's spirit,it is pure....
Why is it difficult to understand or comprehend? to which I responded..... Kobojunkiee: Salvation refers to the saving from the condemnation of sin(Death) , not to be confused with sin itself. 
Paul was a Jewish sinner, even though he claimed to be of the Pharisee class - he was one of the walking dead. By choosing to believe in Jesus Christ, Paul was imparted with Jesus' Righteousness and Death(from Jesus's fulfillment of the Old Covenant Law of Moses), freeing Him, Paul, from every Old Covenant obligation, and granting him a new life(eternal life) in Jesus Christ, under a New Covenant.  then you came back with... sonmvayina: You are saying something different. You did not address the points i raised in my comment. Man is God spirit + dust of the earth. When man experiences death. The spirit returns to God and the body to earth.. What is jesus saving? And how does paul come in. and my response to that is.... Kobojunkiee: In the book of Genesis, when God condemned man to die for his sins, God condemned him to perish in the grave meaning when man died in his unbelief, he ceased to exist - mind, body and soul .I.e. no afterlife. 
Man was not created an eternal being and so he had to earn eternity some other way, hence the Laws, and Salvation through the following of them.  Try to keep up! |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 6:45pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Lagoon0: Why are you complicating English. David was punish for adultery not polygamy.
Where has the polygamy lifestyle of David a man after Gods heart been recorded in the bible?
Please don't bring teaching of divorce to tho matter we're talking about polygamy and you're going into biblical philosophy. What teaching of divorce did I bring in here?  You asked where God made laws that imply He is against the having of concubines and I showed you where in His New Covenant Law He, God, makes that more than clear to all.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Where In The Bible was it Recorded As Sin To Marry Two Wives by Kobojunkiee: 5:21pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
Jman24: He made them "male and female" gives more credence to opposite sex relationship than the polygamy idea you are trying to demonize That it does!  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Is Salvation The Will Of God Or Man? by Kobojunkiee: 4:19pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
sonmvayina: You are saying something different. You did not address the points i raised in my comment.
Man is God spirit + dust of the earth. When man experiences death. The spirit returns to God and the body to earth.. What is jesus saving? And how does paul come in. In the book of Genesis, when God condemned man to die for his sins, God condemned him to perish in the grave meaning when man died in his unbelief, he ceased to exist - mind, body and soul .I.e. no afterlife.  Man was not created an eternal being and so he had to earn eternity some other way, hence the Laws, and Salvation through the following of them.  |
Christianity Etc › Re: Ada Jesus' Mother Rejects Prophet Odumeje's N1 Million Gift To Ada Jesus (Video) by Kobojunkiee: 3:12pm On Apr 21, 2021 |
TruthinAction: Jesus forgave a paralyzed man before he healed him in the Bible. Though he didn't ask for it. This shows God's willingness to heal his children.
But there are times you have to ask for it especially when you commit the offense deliberately. When you hurt someone or do something wrong, you have sinned. And we know that sin can hinder answer to prayer.
So it is right to ask for forgiveness as a prerequisite to receive some healing. In a few cases, God in his sovereign power can choose to heal you. But it's important you always ask for forgiveness when you fall into error.
1st John 1:8-9 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. God has always been willing to forgive us our sins , but my question is, has Jesus Christ ever mandated we seek forgiveness before we can recieve healing from Him?  Has Jesus Christ ever hinted at the possibility that some will not be healed because of their sins?  |