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Icon4s:
Sorry, your first sentence, was it before or after the Argentina friendly?

Mickael2:
I believe I was the one telling everybody that Shehu has no business in a 3-5-2 except as a DMF remember? So of course teams change when tactics change. I mean Spain came to the Euro final and decided to play a 4-6-0 and changed one or two first team players in the final oh. I also remember that in Luis Enrique's first classico he decided to field Xavi who was no longer part of the first XI, it backfired sha but I get your point totally.

However, I am not ok with the fact that everybody has been pointing out that we need the best from Ndidi etc etc. What about getting the best from Onazi? I mean getting the best from Onazi gave us an Afcon winners medal as well as a world cup round of 16 berth. Getting the best out of Ndidi gave us a stalemate against Senegal and one of the poorest first period in recent memory against Argentina

Mickael2:
I believe I was the one telling everybody that Shehu has no business in a 3-5-2 except as a DMF remember? So of course teams change when tactics change. I mean Spain came to the Euro final and decided to play a 4-6-0 and changed one or two first team players in the final oh. I also remember that in Luis Enrique's first classico he decided to field Xavi who was no longer part of the first XI, it backfired sha but I get your point totally.

However, I am not ok with the fact that everybody has been pointing out that we need the best from Ndidi etc etc. What about getting the best from Onazi? I mean getting the best from Onazi gave us an Afcon winners medal as well as a world cup round of 16 berth. Getting the best out of Ndidi gave us a stalemate against Senegal and one of the poorest first period in recent memory against Argentina

Mujtahida:
Thank God you can see that that combo doesn't work.

Nobody is beating or blaming Onazi. Not at all. I have harped on the fact that the best combination is the one that brings out the best in the both of them. Whether it's Ogu combined with Onazi or Ndidi and Ogu or even Etebo. What I do know is that that combination doesn't work seamlessly and we cannot for the sake of doing the done thing or that this is the way it's always been never try something different.

Let me ask you a simple question:do you think that playing the same tactics suits all the players? And can or should we play the same players with the same tactics all through the tournament?

Mujtahida:
Would you field Shehu in a 5-3-2 formation just because you cannot change a winning team?

The point is simple: your first eleven remains SUBSTANTIALLY the same. One or two players just for dynamism doesn't change it if you have a good bench

Mujtahida:
Would you field Shehu in a 5-3-2 formation just because you cannot change a winning team?

The point is simple: your first eleven remains SUBSTANTIALLY the same. One or two players just for dynamism doesn't change it if you have a good bench

somehow:
I don die.. so they also marry women who are like in their 30s?

Okay o.. mind you, you are quoting someone who is around "his side" of the country.

Na before before dem dey marry early o and the early self isn't U20 for the men o!

Mujtahida:

Look at how Conte adopted the false 9. That's what we saying. Dynamic approach based on your assessment of your opponent's game. That's modern football.

bengine:
I hope Sir Kog45 watched that game to see what we are talking abt..in a tournament, there is nothing like 100% first team..this day you set up your team aaccording to the opposition..

bengine:
I explained earlier there is 90% first team and there is room for one or 2 player to add dynamism to the team's play..I wasn't suggesting even 50% change to the team..a team needs to have 1or2 player come in during the tournament to make them unpredictable.that's what I have been saying.. players, that's why in this setup, Morata or giroud would..

bengine:
I would give you a classic example sir, would you be using 100% of the same personnel if we played our 1st 2 games with a 4-2-3-1 and we switch to a 3-5-2 for the Argentinean game, this is part of the dynamism and unpredictability we have been talking about..

Keep your opponents guessing what your approach would be..if they know all we are good at is 4-2-3-1, they would have planned well before game to neutralize this..

Icon4s:
Definitely nothing is cast in stone. It is no law that you must execute all your 3 group games with 100% same players. Neither is it law that you must make changes to the starting list for each game.

A team goes into a tournament having first choice players for each role.

But several factors can lead to alterations in the starting line up.

1. A regular performer might get injured in the first game and may not have recovered fully for the second game.

2. A first choice Striker may fail to hit the back of the net only for the second choice striker to come in and score goals. In several of such cases the original first choice will not start the next game. Just also like another outfield player may not have a good game and his backup comes in and the game changes.

3. A first choice goalie may have a bad day in the office and the second choice brought in to replace him in the next game.

4. A team may get whipped and the coaches may need to sacrifice 1,2 or 3 players just to switch tactics.

5. A player may get suspended. Or a key player may be at the risk of missing a potential crucial next round game. That player may be rested in the 3rd group game and another player starts in his place.

6. A team may have qualified for the next round with one game to spare. It may be time to rotate the squad.

Typically, for national team coaches, when you execute your first game with your first choice players and none of the conditions I listed above took place. And your team played well and won handsomely. You may want to start that next game with the same players and same formation 100% irrespective of the strength of the next opponent . One of the basic rudiments of coaching is "you don't change a winning team".

As you rightly quoted football is dynamic. There is a high chance of one of the 1-6 situations above happening in a team which means teams hardly execute the games with 100% the same lineup.

bengine:
I hope Sir Kog45 watched that game to see what we are talking abt..in a tournament, there is nothing like 100% first team..this day you set up your team aaccording to the opposition..

Mujtahida:
Well, we'd see. I hope you read what I wrote about Gerrard and Lampard following Asha80's cue? To me it's easy to see why Ogu brings in balance. Onazi and Ndidi are basically the same kind of players. So if Rohr decides to go by his WCQ approach good and fine but just remember that African teams during qualifiers no be WC oo

Mujtahida:
England never achieved much with Gerrard and Lampard despite the fact that these were two of the greatest midfield Generals of the modern game. England almost always fielded the two of them. I presume their thinking would have been like: 'yeah we have the two best midfielders, we must use two of them all the time'.
Maybe if they had the courage to drop one for the other as sub it would have given room for a different kind of player with different ability to add something to their game rather than Gerrard and Lampard who were basically the same kind of players.

Mujtahida:
Football in 96 is not the same as football in 2018. Ask Mourinho, he will tell you. There was no in depth data analysis of players in 96. Now they study how you nod, how you run, your pace, your total body structure, movement, how you shoot, etc.

Oliseh Okocha combination was good and doesn't fit the situation we are discussing. Oliseh and Okocha are two different types of players.

Did we ever combine Okocha and Oruma? If we ever did then that's the kind of combination you should use to mirror our discussion on Ndidi and Onazi combination. We are talking about Ndidi/Onazi combination that if we really want to be truthful limits Ndidi. It's clear to see. The best combination is the one that brings out the best in both players.

bengine:
I disagree sir..In a world cup that is a tournament, there is always best combination to neutralize your opposition..and that's also part of the unpredictability in a team..

If your team is really good, you can only have probably 90% sure bankers for first 11..one or two players can be injected for tactical reasons..this is how u know a good team..

That is the reason why I'm really hopeful for this team because of the competition in the team

Mujtahida:
Do you know how many players Italy used in 2006? Do you know how many players Brazil used in 94? I think first eleven means you have substantially the same players in every game. It doesn't mean you must use the same players for every game.

Mujtahida:
Being professional does not mean a player can play just about everywhere or that a player doesn't have a position that brings out his best.

I disagree too that Ndidi has had a slow start. He flourishes when he is allowed to rove. And incidentally that's the same position Onazi plays. How can Ndidi be the tackling machines if he sits to cover the defence?

I deliberately raised the Ndidi/Onazi debate cos the thread was threadbare as if we are on holiday. We are just robbing minds.

I don't think anyone's blaming Onazi. It's clear to see that that combination doesn't gell. Recall in the friendly against Senegal. Ndidi came alive when Onazi was injured and Ogu came in. Again in the friendly against Argentina he really posted a superb play. In fact I used to be like this Ndidi is holding back his Leicester game when he plays for the Eagles but in that game I saw how good he is. I am not by this blaming Onazi or saying he should make way for Ndidi. It's about having the best combination for each opponent and it's been opined here that for some games Ndidi-Onazi combination might be the best.

This is not a for Ndidi or aga Onazi debate. It's a debate about our best midfield combination.

Ogonimilitant:
Igbo people are really making Nigeria proud.

bengine:
Yea that is true, too be honest, I don't want the coach to set up a formation that would limit Ndidi..the guys work rate could unbalance any opposition..popping up in every areas that need personnel..

In fact against some opposition that might even just sit deep and not really attack through the centre, I would suggest a double pivot of Mikel and Ndidi...mikel sits deep and dictates the pace of the game, Ndidi roams as usual and Iwobi or Iheanacho does his thing has an amf or ss...but I don't think Odogwu would wanna play dmf..he has been enjoying that amf so much, its hard to take it from him..

Mujtahida:
Pictures would not be a good yardstick to use in judging. If anything the 85 set looks 'older'. But this is because a 17 year old in 1985 had more muscular build than a 17 year old of today. A better or safer way to judge by duration of the players in a set in the game notwithstanding the fact that not all of them go ahead to have professional football careers. Look at the 93 set. Kanu, Oruma, Celestine played top flight professional football for long which underlies the fact that they were very young as at 93. Even at Atlanta 96, they looked young.

Icon4s:
O boy,
Pix 1 1993 Eaglets
Pix 2: 1985 Eaglets
Pix 3: 2013 Eaglets
Pix 4: 2015 Eaglets

Oya judge for your self

tbaba1234:
Isaac Success has lost a lot of weight already...

komekn:
Ikeme was a first team goal keeper for Wolves that's not easy.

The ❓ is, what level is Uzoho playing first team or youth team. Is he the first team second goalkeeper

From what I can in the goalkeeping department he seems the best potential we have. If he is playing first team and or even the first team second goalkeeper, then in my opinion he's possibly our best prospect.

Humility017:
was ikeme playing in the epl...prior he became super eagles No 1 ?

you know in Spain...their reserve team get to play in la liga 2 unlike in england

forgiveness:
Success is now a winger.

Who will you choose, Isaac Success, Moses Simon or Henry Onyekuru, if Success is fit?

Humility017:
to be true...wit ideye recent performance I fear he may likely be the 3rd striker...
but any day I will prefer Henry not only more clinical but also....got more pace,ball control and can also play as a winger when occasion demands.

andrew444:
Yes o bros,I will consider onyekuru ahead of ideye and nwakaeme,I also don't see kayode going to the World Cup talk less of taking him as 3rd striker,the guy is not playing for a girona team so he can't be at the World Cup,even osimhen is having little game game at Wolfsburg he even started last weekend and came as a sub against Bayern yesterday,as for ideye suddenly he is back in the radar,lol,as my guy don join malaga come score yesterday,I trust me peeps in this thread.

DrKlever:
I don't u understand what kinda play gets injured all the time and walks straight into the starting lineup. something must be special about this Joel Chukwuma Obi. well, I'm glued to my TV as Torino battles Juventus. Lemme experience what the coach sees in him.

andrew444:
Smiles....Kayode and martins out...kayode still did not make girona bench on Friday,martins is just out of favor,all those players you called are already on the plane me and you know that,wetin Moses Simon victor moses and iwobi wan fight for lol.....maybe the scape goat might be nwakaeme.

andrew444:
Bros success is not a bad player but he won't make the World Cup,sorry to say that either rohr like him or not,stronger than ighalo?how does that change the fact that this guy is overweight? He need to loose kilo if he want to get into the Malaga team,and for your information rohr 2 sure strikers are already on the plane which is ighalo and nacho...I repeat my self success will not go to the World Cup,if success go to the World Cup then what will you say of onyekuru because he will be fit before then,we cannot carry a player who has not been serious all season to the World Cup,this is not 2014 where a Gabriel Ruben that lack match fitness makes the cut,I will rather pick a Samuel Kalu of gent than success.