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Anything or measure placed To stop Russian invasion of Ukraine is welcome.

Chelsea football club is not more important than the lives of kids, men and women dying everyday in Ukraine.

Agreed without question

andrewbaba44:
Asensio is not one of the best Spanish players

Be using transfer fee to rate rodrygo ,Madrid fans will tell you better because you clearly don’t watch football

Hazard was 28 when he joined Madrid i guess his best years was behind him at that age also

Best may be open to debate but he is not average he is a top player in La Liga.

Karlovych:
Serge Gnabry is better than Odoi (with 3 England caps and is looking to Switch to Ghana), Lookman wasn't outstanding in Leipzig. Emile Smith Rowe went there and was anonymous as well.
Gundogan, Aubameyang, Heung Min

Gun, Dzeko and De Bryne came from Germany and performed way better than the ones that went to Germany from the EPL

Ademola Lookman played 2017/18 season couldn't get into Everton goes on loan and as a Winger he plays 11 games and scores 5 goals in the Bundesliga. That in my opinion, is exceptional. His next stint didn't go well not sure why .

Emil Smith went to Liepzig at age 17 and played 3 games, and you have concluded he was anonymous

Gnabry looks very good in the Bundesliga but not sure he will be able to replicate that form in the EPL. But l am sure put Odoi in the Bundesliga and he will be outstanding.

De bryne has become much better in Manchester city but his first stint with Chelsea did not go well.

Aubemyang was able in one season in the Bundesliga to score 31 goals and even 25 the preceding season. The best goal tally Aubemyang has had in the EPL is 22.

Dzeko best season in the EPL he scores 16 gialihis best season in the Bundesliga he scored 26.

Gundogan and Heung Min Son have evolved after 6/7 years in the EPL. Gundogan plats a more attacking role and Heung Min Son, plays more of forward player than a winger. They have both scored much more goals than they did in the Bundesliga playing different roles.

So your comparison is not able to underpin your implied proposition that the Superior quality of the EPL league has no bearing on player ability.

andrewbaba44:
Hazard one of the best player in the epl cost how much ? But he is being benched by average players like asensio and rodrygo

The operative word you used is WAS and that's very apt.

Hazard is 31 and so you can assume his best years are behind him. I am lost for words where Hazard is concerned. I thought he would be another Luca Modrric but it just didn't happen he seemed a shadow of his former self.

But why do you have tell LIES and demean the discourse with totally unnecessary demeaning rhetoric, there is no need.

Rodrygo Silva de Goes started playing for Santos first team at 16 at age 18 he was in the Brazilian first team. Real Madrid paid £45 million for him at age 18 . This is a player you are calling average.

Asensio is one of the best Spanish players in La Liga, he has 25 caps and you call him average.

You just like argument for argument sake.

andrewbaba44:
Rating players by what they earn is foolishness plus stupidity

Jadon sancho is earning more than Mohammed salah ,I guess that makes sancho better than salah

You capped nonsense

Chop your L in peace and keep your mouth shut

Rating players in general by what the industry is willing to pay them is an indicator of VALUE which is intrinsically linked to quality.

Karlovych:
Which EpL clubs? This is a player that has only 1 season of top level football under him and didn't even play up the the England U21s.

For the last time stop rating players based on their wages, some league 1 players earn more than Bundesliga players does that make them better?

Can you be objective and SUBSTANSIVE ❓

You are taking my deductions out of context. In general what people (football clubs) are prepared to pay for you is a good indicator of your quality.

Sometimes mistakes are made for a host of reasons , injuries mid season and you pay over the odds to get your player in desperation.

Pepe cost how much ? But small boy Saka has benched him . He had been unable to replicate his outstanding form in French League 1.

Manchester United paid way too much for Harry Maguire ,he is a good defender bit he has lost form and some of his handicaps have shown he isn't good enough for Manchester United.

do4luv14:
correct Jose go wire sense enter em head, those em dribbles go get better end product by force

Manchester city don't have time for unnecessary dribbling, show boating and skill, everything must have END PRODUCT.

Mahrez has improved immensely with end product.

Football has moved on and dribbling be aimlessly be will not get you far.

TheLoneCitizen:
Best insult I've seen. Respect.

I replied to Jihday and exposed his crass ineptitude and ignorance. You have shown yours as well in thinking it's an insult.

Karlovych:
Kepa earns more than Mendy, does that make Kepa better than Mendy?

Hudson Odoi earns more than Gnabry does that make Odoi better than Gnabry?

Look at the way 80M pound Maguire is disgracing himself despite his huge wages.

The EPL is notorious for overpaying players regardless of their actual talent.

I would say in general money is a determinating component in getting the best players.

But it's not the only unit to measure quality but in general once again it's very indicative. There will always be mistakes and projection expectations that goes wrong. It's very normal.

Is Gnabry better than Hudson, l really don't know. However, what is very apparent players who struggle in the EPL often go to the Bundesliga and become outstanding, e.g. Sancho, Batshuayi, Ademola, Nelson, etc.

As a consequence it's difficult to say, because if you put Hudson-Odio in the Bundesliga he will do s lot better. But if you put Gnabry in the EPL I don't think he will have the same dominance he has in the Bundesliga.

What is even very clear is most players struggle to replicate the same form in the Bundesliga when they come to the EPL. This is much more pronounced with forward players. Because Rudiger is an exception although he has a lot of time to learn since he arrived in 2017.

On the other hand Timo, Havertz have been DISSAPOINTING consider that Timo is on near £300k a week.

andrewbaba44:
Rating players quality by salary is pure foolishness and stupidity

Na night school you go Walai

Go and check pedri and Araujo salary compared to some other players then you will no it’s not by salary

You claim to know too much but you know nothing ,stop disgracing yourself

Why would you come to the conclusion that rating players by salary is pure foolishness.

At the end of the day in general quality players command higher salaries. I am not saying that should be the only consideration.

But salary is indicative, because better clubs want better players cand are prepared to pay more to get the players they want.

I agree there are cases of manipulations and over exaggeration but in general better players end up in better clubs and get paid more.

Finally, at the end of the day football is a very short term career and you need to maximize your income to the highest level possible before it's over. Players follow the money and the best players get more money .

jihday:
if your head is knocked it will echo because it’s empty. If any club had genuine interest in Tosin, fulham will do business. You keep talking like you talking to kids who know nothing about football.

When you know nothing but think you do ,you are what ❓

Many years ago, I watched a 16 year old Ryan Ssegnon play against Blackburn actually 27th August 2016, just checked my Whatsapp. I called my friend Malcolm and l said, l'm sure you're going to want to sell him for £10 million. My good friend told me no, they want £30 Million.

That summer Liverpool offered £20 Million but Fulham refused.

As you probably know he now plays as a LB for Tottenham, who paid £25 million plus Tega Onomah in a transfer deal, you could say Fulham got their asking price.

Fulham are in their way to the EPL next season, they have 76 points and the closest to rival has 62 points. So Tosin Adarabioyo has no reason to leave, he has literally played all their games this season.

Karlovych:
The only way you can compare Fulham with Hoffenheim is with the wages they pay their players, on all other stuff Hoffenheim is way better.

Winning 35 caps with Jamaica and Wales is not a big deal, If Akpoguma was Jamaican he will have up to 50 caps for them too.

Also you conveniently forgot to Mention Rudy and Bicakcic that have 29 caps and 35 caps for their countries at Hoffenheim, If Akpoguma signs for Fulham right now he will bench Adarabioyo with 0 international caps to his name.

Akpoguma will not get on the bench.

A good barometer of a player quality is the level of interest he generates. Several EPL clubs put in bids for Tosin Adarabioyo but Fulham rejected them all.

Akpoguma is one of the lower paid players in his club, he is not even first choice , mostly a substitute. How many top clubs came in for Akpoguma ❓

Karlovych:
They are all average defenders, I repeat if a player like Lindelof and Michael Keane can be playing EPL football then Akpoguma can do it. The last time I Checked Burnley and Newcastle are in the EPL and none of their defenders are world class

Akpoguma also captained Germany U21 side

I know a player who captained England U18 he left the EPL to non league he is currently playing College soccer in the USA.

The reality is nobody else thinks he is good enough nobody in the EPL or any of the top teams in the Championship.

Akpoguma is on €16k a week ,he is among the lower paid players in the his Club.

You mentioned Burnley, James Tarkowski is a CB he gets €80 a week that's almost 5 times more money than Akpoguma. If he is so good why doesn't he leave and come to the EPL .❓❓


But it seems nobody who matter's shares your view.

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Top 3 African strikers in Europe this season

1, Sebastian Haller 32 goals in all competition

2, Taiwo Awoniyi 15 goals in all competition

3, Pierre-Emeric Aubameyang 12 goals in all competition

Sebastian couldn't cut it in the EPL he was essentially a flop.

But he goes to the Eredivisie and he becomes the highest goal scorer.

Karlovych:
Imagine a league where Dominic Solanke is dealing with their defenders,

Average defenders like Mamadou Sakho, Mangala, Soyuncu, Mustafi, can play for several years in the EPL but Akpoguma wouldn't be able to do that.

Sometimes Komekn overates the EPL

Mamadou Sakho captained PSG at 17 ,played 4 seasons at Liverpool fell out with Klopp and moved to Crystal palace he has 29 caps for France. And you are calling him average.

I will remind you Omeruo couldn't cut it in the Championship and was unable to progress at Middlesbrough. But many regard him as our best defender I don't.

You are calling Mustafi, average he was a top performer in the Seria A and LaLiga , although he spent 3 seasons in Everton but never played one game for the first team.

Soyoncu was a top performer in the Bundesliga before coming to the EPL.

Mangala was an outstanding performer in Porto which pabed the way for him to go to Manchester city.

If you are calling these defenders average then what does that make our defenders. Awaziem could only get into Porto B with a few game's in the first team.

Yes these defenders were not outstanding in the EPL , a testament to the high level competitive nature of the EPL.

Karlovych:
Hoffenheim are currently 6th in the Bundesliga, and no Ajayi can never bench Akpoguma at Hoffenheim.
He is also better than Adarabioyo. They were both playing EPl football not long ago and no team would take them after their teams were relegated.
There is nothing special about the Championship, no matter how you want to sugarcoat it, it still remains second division football.

Forget your tags , how many players have gone straight to the best teams in the Bundesliga from the championship ❓

Akpoguma will not make the bench at Fulham and Fulham is way better than Hoffenheim and has superior quality players.

So let's examine my proposition by team composition analysis: Below two screens shots of players and bench of both teams in a recent match.

Let's start from the back main CB's for Fulham are T.Ream ( USA 48 caps) , Adarabioyo ( CB) Hector (Jamaican 35 caps), Wing backs - Tete( Dutch 14 caps) Robinson (USA, ?) Williams ( Liverpool loanee Wales caps 17) l will not talk about Terence Kongolo who is Dutch international but very injury prone.

Hoffenheim main CBs are Akpoguma, Hubner, Grillitsch, Posch, no senior international caps apart from Akpoguma 4 for Nigeria. Wing backs Kadeřábek (45 caps Czech) Raum (3 caps Germany),

Let's look at the midfield , Fulham currently Anguissa is on loan at Napoli ( not sure why he not in the Championship with Fulham) Carvalho ( pre contract to Liverpool FC) Chalobah, Seri( 38 caps Cote d'Ivoire) Onomah, Cairney( Scotland caps 2)

Now let's look at Hoffenheim Midfielders , Gieger, Baumgartner (17 caps Austria), Stiller, Samassékou (17 caps for Mali)

And finally the main forward player's; Bebou (19 caps Togo and the top goal scorer si far this season with 7 goals in the Bundesliga), Kramaric (65 caps Croatia) Dabbur (33 caps for Israel) Rutter.

Now let's look at Fulham strikers; Mitrovich, highest number of goals scored in a season in the history of the Championship so far , with 34 goals from 32 games. Essentially astounding. I'm sure some of you remember the two goals he scored against us in a friendly game 2018.

Other forward players are Decordova-Reid (16 caps for Jamaica) , Kebano ( Congo 7 caps) H.Wilson (29 caps for Wales)

Mitrovich is on near £90k a week.

There are more than five players who have scored at least 7 goals in Fulham in the Championship.

In my honest opinion if Hoffenheim played Fulham FC they would get beat COMPREHENSIVELY. In every department Fulham are better. Bebou will not get into the Fulham team their best striker. Consider Ivan Cavaleiro (Portuguese 3 caps) he can't get into the team always on the bench he is much better than Bebou.

Please put emotive sentiment based preference aside and be objective.

TheGoodJoe:

You did not answer the simple question. Westerhoff invited Amokachi to camp because he is a good player. Amokachi told the coach that he was only sixteen years old and too young to come to the Super Eagles camp. Westerhoff convinced him that despite him being so young, he had the quality to join the Super Eagles.

years later, komekn has come to tell us that Amokachi was not a teenager.

So I am asking you that is the reaction of Amokachi that of a player that is not even a teenager? and Are you the father to know his age?

You are then asking me if I am the father.

Funnyman.

You have given a long epistle.

But you did not answer the simple question, do you know Daniel Amokachi personally ❓

Your are changing the narrative be presumption, l did not ask you if you are his Father, stop muddying the waters and EVADING the question.

Hashabiah:
[s][/s]A fool like you doesn't read so you can't understand the Ukraine crisis. Prior to this rant you said , there were four dates , 1962, 1989, 2008 and 2014. But we shall examine the first two so as to keep things simple :

So let us digest them one after the other :

The Cuban border crisis of 1962

In 1962, the Soviet Union/Russia tried to install a military hardware in Cuba, which threatens US directly because Cuba border them by water. The then president of US, Kennedy threatened Russia with World War if they do not remove their military installation. The Soviet premier Nikiti Khrucshev rebuffed him which brought the world close to nuclear Armageddon, where it took 13days of negotiation, military diplomacy, death of an American military pilot, destruction of an American spy plane and the removal of American missiles from Turkey, to solve. That's what we came to know as The Cuban missile crises of 1962.

Question: Russia honored the request of the US then , so why doesn't the US honor Russia's request now ?


2. Fall of Berlin wall 1989

The Berlin wall fell in 1989 and the process of the integration of the western and eastern Germany started. 1989 is really important because as the process of integration were going on, James Baker, the US secretary of state promised the Soviet union/Russia that NATO (military organization led by the Americans) will not expand one inch towards the Russian border. This promise went a long way to facilitate the unification of Germany as we know it today. This is significant because when the Soviet union fell in 1991, the US broke that promise in multiple ways by expanding NATO to the Russian borders to include countries like Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Republic etc.

Question : So why did NATO violate this agreement? Where is the justification in that ?

If you can't answer these two questions, then Putin is justified and the red line was crossed . Therefore ,it us you who is ignorant and daft.

You are a petty LIAR and ignorant.

I gave no dates specifically. I talked about periods and what you can call watershed moments. Changes in the people expectations that's why I mentione, Perestroika.

What you fail to appreciate is that Communism was highly and brutally repressive but not socio economically beneficial.

The only constant in life is CHANGE .

The adoption of capitalism and the rejection of communism resulted in globalisation and massive FDI in the Soviet Union.

Globalisation comes with socio economic and cultural change as well as political.

Eastern Europe has CHANGED in its expectations socio economic and political and cultural. They don't want to go back into the dark ages of communism and it's repression. The people have chosen.

Ukraine gave all its nuclear weapons to Russia as an assurance that they seaked peaceful coexistence at independence. They no longer adopted the Russians military ideology and cold war ethos.

They have aligned themselves to Western Europe not Russia. After the peaceful in uprising that removed the very unpopular Russian stooge, Yanukovych in 2014. Russia tried to upstage it, but failed.

Immediately after Russia started to destabilise the country. And literally invaded Ukraine seizing Crimea.

Poroshonko cam into power but lost in 2019 to a non political actor, his name is ZELENSKY he was a comedian but the people loved him he won an overwhelmingly majority of the vote 73% .

Imagine Ay or Basket mouth winning presidency in Nigeria. The powers that be the old corrupt politicians will never allow it to happen.

ZELENSKY was pro Europe that's what the people wanted they have changed and they have chosen Europe.

Putin cannot impose his singular will and desire on a sovereign country. He may not like the decision of the people but that's DEMOCRACY and it is the will of the Ukrainian people. They will rather die than become enslaved to Putin and his delusional grandiose ambitions of a new Soviet Union.

andrewbaba44:
Baba stick to your ekuke football judgement on this one

You must be silly for saying akpoguma won’t get into any epl team

I am sure when Salisu was playing for real Valladolid you would have said he won’t get into any championship team let alone an epl ,I am sure you know he is far better than those your championship defenders you do hype here

Akpoguma won’t get into any epl team is the most stupid thing I have heard for the past 8 days

A good season in the championship and you are in the top 5 league in Europe ,what happened to Dominic iorfa ? The list is even endless

You are big Clown Man

Salisu is better than Iorfo in the HERE and NOW but don't forget Iorfa has been struggling with serious injury. His team fell foul of the Financial regulations and had points deducted leading to thier relegation.

Salisu could be better than Tosin Adarabioyo , l am not emphatically sure but the possibility exists. But then Salisu is better than all of the defenders in the SE currently.

Akpoguma will not get into any EPL team he will not make the bench at Fulham.

Englandboy:
he should go to Madrid, benzema has tried
Enough for Madrid.

He is not good enough yet

andrewbaba44:
Because you where rested for some games doesn’t mean you aren’t a regular

Ajayi has not started all west brom games this season also

And yes akpoguma is better than adarabioyo

If you are talking about tomori we would understand

Semi has started every game under Bruce ,but lost out on a number of games on account of the AFCON. But has played the vast majority of games for his team this season.

Compared to Akpoguma who had only played four full 90 minutes game all season the rest are substitutions on occasion getting just 4 minutes. Although he has played 16 out of their 25 games this season.

Tosin Adarabioyo is arguably the best defender in the Championship and Akpoguma is no where as good as him. Wanted by a duplicity of EPL clubs but Fulham will not sell they are effectively in the EPL for next season.

Nobody in Hoffenheim will get into the Fulham team not one.

humility33:
Just read your ridiculous submission

Ajayi and his mates where not good enough for EPL reason why they head back to the championship

Agreed without question.

But the context of discussion is Ajayi and Akpoguma and my submission is Ajayi is better. In addition Akpoguma is almost anonymous in the Bundesliga he will not get into any EPL team .

And he will not get into any top Championship team and his team although in the Bundesliga is not better that quite a few Championship sides.

Karlovych:
In the here and now, Akpoguma plays at a higher level than Ajayi.

Yes he does , but he is not outstanding in the league. He has made the bench three times in the last four games and played once as a substitute.

Is that your definition of outstanding player in league and club. If Ajayi was in the 1899 Hoffenheim he will bench him.

Absolutely no EPL team will take him and that leaves the Championship

Would you say he is better than Tosin Adarabioyo in Fulham. I would say categorically without any restraint Fulham FC in the Championship is way better on all fronts than 1899 Hoffenheim. Therefore he will not get into Fulham.

andrewbaba44:
As far as your ekuke football analysis is concerned akpoguma is far far better than ajayi who plays for a lowly championship

Akpoguma is far far far far better than Calvin bassey who plays for the Scottish league that’s not up to the championship level

Not too long ago Ajayi was playing in the EPL.

Now consider how many players leave the championship to the very top clubs in the Bundesliga.

Akpoguma will not get into any EPL team as it stands.

A good season in the Championship and your in the top 5 leagues in Europe.

TheGoodJoe:


I am not the one claiming to know more about Amokachi than him and I repeat, Is that not the mentality of a small boy?

You did not answer the very simple question ❓

Mossadd:
Thats exactly what they are.UNITED STATE is the leaders of the bandits follow by the deputy leader UK but all of them will be crushed when putin is done dealing with the comedian president. World is much bigger than USA and Europe and only China population is bigger than the entire Europe and America population not to talk of India so fvck USA and EU

It's pretty obvious, u no go school.

Ignorance is a disease.

Nathan2016:
So in your mind, if he install a new government, everything goes back to normal.
Ukraine people offer a vote of thanks to him and bid his army good bye.

lol

Most of you PUTIN fans are devoid of Simple LOGICAL REASONING

Agreed without question

Ignorance is a terrible disease.

Hashabiah:
Can Ukraine compete ? Let them send weapons , the Russians will crush the capitalist pigs

He who knows not and knows that he knows not is not a fool. But you ,you know nothing and don't even know you don't know NOTHING.

Go and read about Perestroika and Glasnost.

To summarize the USSR adopted capitalism in the early late 80's and by default globalisation. This resulted in massive FDI . That changed the socio economic and cultural dynamics.

First outcome delivery the end of the USSR and the adoption of democracy.

And duplicity of sovereign nation states in Eastern Europe. There expectations changed and they leaned more and more to capitalism in the western model. The new freedoms that they never had under the repressiveness of communism were embraced.

Eastern Europe has tasted freedom they don't want Soviet style repression again. They have all moved on unfortunately Putin has not. Putin is highly DELUSIONAL and had grandiose ambitions of reinstating the old Soviet Union. You can't force people to join you ,he doesn't understand that.

He has used the past 20 years to reinstate repression and has created a despotic personality led regime, where all power Rests with him. And in effect has made himself "President for Life".

There is now no freedom of expression, no freedom of the press, no freedom of association, no right to protest, etc and any dissent can be punished sub judicially with death.

They have banned the words invasion and attack from all press briefing and any breach you can face a 15 year jail term.

Please go back to school and educate yourself, you are in ignorant darkness.

Philosopher1979:
Alhassan Yusuf does not have a long way to go. He is doing very well for Royal Antwerp and has 2 man of the match awards. The Belgian league is rated higher than the Scottish league and yet you rate players in rangers such as Calvin basset above him.
I repeat Alhassan Yusuf deserves to be in our midfield. In 2020 he was rated as one of the best ball distributors under the age of 21.
It's ridiculous he is not in the team

First of all let's not bring age into the equation in the context of African football it's mostly academic.

You made a FALSE claim, the Scottish premier League is rated higher than the Belgium league.

Karlovych:
Akpoguma has been above average at Hoffenheim and for the SE, he also plays at a higher level than Omeruo and Ajayi yet both were called up.
You also failed to note the the SE defence is ageing. Balogun is 34, Omeruo, Ekong and Ajayi are all turning 29 soon with no new CBs in the frame as potential long term replacements for them.

What makes Akpoguma better than Ajayi ❓l will concede with regards to Omeruo but Balogun I'm not sure and definitely not better than Calvin.

TheGoodJoe:
Are you Amokachi's father to know he was not a teenager.

I have told you before but because of your deep bias, you hide from the truth.

When Westerhoff invited Amokachi to the camp, he told Westerhoff that he was a small boy. Westerhoff had to convince him that he can do well in the camp.

Is that the mentality of someone who is not a teenager?

Whether it pains you or not, Amokachi was sixteen and his reaction to the invitation camp shows this. A player at 18 would jump at the opportunity. Amokachi did not want to go because he was too small.

Do you personally know Amokachi?

comodo:
According to Komekn's Law of League ratings

Akpoguma is not outstanding in his league on the other hand Calvin is outstanding in both club , Scottish premier and in the Euro Champions league.

No contradiction just FACTS