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Virtueways:
Bloke! You should know that I wasnt keeping awake at this time for nothing. If I had confirm twas authentic i wouldnt have asked. Mtcheew

both of una no serious

comoros199:
Haba, Go ahead and verify it naaa !!! And let's know what you found out.

easy answer. f&cking

Kobojunkie:
Irony much?

You quote the above in support of sending, yes , a one_legged woman, Dora(you can only sing of her past/distant success, since she failed at her most recent and most official of positions).

WOW!!!

at least she has had success before. all this talk about failure is hot air. there is something known as lessons learnt. im positive she will learn her lessons and move on. there is nothing wrong with failure as long as you are willing to rectify it. i wish her all the best in her ambition, i wish myself all the best in my own ambition as well. we all have one life to live, id rather be a doer than a critic.

ShangoThor:
Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Alan Sugar, Richard Ballantyne (what do they have in common?) No of them attained degrees per se.

they have a unique sense of vision, impeccable knack for siezing opportunities, a killer instinct for business and a product/service unlike no other. if you too have these qualities then bone school. if not bruv,

AjanleKoko:
^^

Let me attempt to change your point of view a little. What's the difference between an employee and an entrepreneur? Very little. Both get paid for services. If someone is using their degree as an entry lever to gain access to paid activity, it is no different from a roadside mechanic fixing cars for a living. They are both answerable to whoever is paying them for their services. For some funny reason people think different. Whether you use your certificates to escape to better climes, or to work in a bank or oil company or telecoms company, what does it matter? Economic sustenance is the key reason for acquiring an education, not for prestige.

Or you think that China and India are using illiterates to power their technology revolution? No way, those countries have way more graduates that we can even hope to dream of. India alone graduates more than half a million engineers every year, far more than it can even generate jobs for. Go do your research.

I assure you, for every graduate roaming the streets with nothing to do, there are probably ten thousand uneducated folks roaming the streets begging for a living. At the end of the day, when it comes down to the crunch, I assure you that you don't want to be among that ten thousand.
Better go to school, and stop deceiving yourself. Things are happening around you that you're obviously not even aware of.

exactly. to buttress your point the following people employed a chartered accountant to oversee their finances; arisekola, bill gates, richard branson. they are renowned for not going to university or dropped out. why a chartered accountant to oversee finances?. why not a hustler like themselves? same goes to virtually every division of their vast empires. another thing all these men dont JOKE with their childrens' education as it is extremely rare for a child of a billionnaire to have the same knack as their parents[in terms of hustling]. education is vital.

Gr8Animash:
first off this is many talk, but very pointfull.im yoruba,and one of dora's critics as above.
1)if dora was from the south-west my opinions stand firm, i HATE/DISLIKE Iyabo Obasanjo, only female pol i dont ave a prob with is Kema chikwe, did u see the thing dora put inthe newspapers about the use of the word "Naija" on Tv and in adverts.wateva happened 2 freedonm of expression? , bcuz shes minister of info she thinks she make otunba mike Adnuga nd many other nigerians look negative by scolding the use of the word "NAIJA" in Glo Naija sings and other adverts or shows nd stating them 2 be changed, isnt new york the "big apple",isnt america "the states" isnt united kingdom the "U.K".instead of her to visit the poor nd needy then "INFORM" the president nd masses on wat steps to take she's busy sittin in ha expensive office watchin naija sings, or maybe she wants bribe, and many e.t.c's, Her papa nd mama!!, if she doesnt have ny work to do SHE SHUD SHUT UP, ENJOY her MONEY get Obese nd die another day like james Ebong, bloody scaliwag,bloody civilian,bloody menstruating creature always smilin in pics like the turd i shat yestarday, if u have her details i cud b her shugga son tho!!Biatch, ,

o boy despite the yabbis u still wan chook and get paid if u can?

manmustwac:
NOTHING. I can't do anything when am based in london. But then a well disiciplined police force with adequate resources to deal with the problem will go long way ratrher just words prayers

i believe u meant to say in addition to prayer have an action plan

Kobojunkie:
^^ He hijacked the thread to post unrelated logs and you say nothing wrong with that?? ROFLMAO!!!

I was actually enjoying some of the discussions before the diversion. . . now I am wondering what slavery and timbuktu got to do with anything.

nope i dont

Kobojunkie:
I read it and I ask again, what 400 years of slavery?

If you at least admit what you were responding to has abso-f'ing-lutely nothing to do with the topic in this case, then fine, I am with you there but if you attempt to pretend [b]that [/b]whole sh-peel has something to do with any of the topics raised in the main article or by anyone else, I would like to know where exactly the connection comes in.

my point exactly, i was responding to cap. jeeeeez ! and if you read what cap wrote it had nothing to do with the main topic. nothing wrong there is there?

Kobojunkie:
What 400 years of slavery?  And what has slavery to do with wikileak?

dear kobo, i suggest you read what i was responding to first, before posting. of cos slavery has nothing to do with wikileaks. who said it did?

cap28:
Can i ask you a question? do you think the carving up of africa by europe in 1885 was "absolute bollocks" ?

how about the amputation of limbs of congolese men, women and children by belgian colonial officers during belgium's colonial rule over Congo?

Are you aware that it was standard practice for belgian soldiers to cut off the hands of congolese men and the br.easts of their wives if their husbands came back from the forests without collecting enough rubber for the lucrative rubber exportation business that Belgium was engaged in at the time?

Are you also aware that german colonial soldiers massacred thousands of rebellious namibian tribes who refused to voluntarily give up their fertile land to make way for german settlers - did you know that many of these tribes were decimated almost into extinction and many were driven into the Namibian desert where they died of dehydration and starvation?

These are just a few of many atrocities that were comitted by white colonial soldiers in africa in the latter part of the 19th century and early part of the 20th century all in a bid to get their hands on our land and the resources in the land.

Do you consider those incidents to be "relatively absolute bollocks"?

why does this sound like something a white south african or white zimbabwean would say and not a black african?
this argument sounds ominously identical to what white supremacists use in order to excuse their genocide and brutalisation of non white people, actually this argument is normally referred to as the "white man's burden argument" - this is an argument in which the white man states that he had to invade, annex and murder thousands and in some cases millions of blacks for their own good because blacks are naturally uncivilised and need to be brought up to the same standard of civilisation as the superior race (the white race). The argument goes something like this:

" Every abomination that we perpetrated against them was done "for their own good", had we not done what we did these heathen people would still be living in a primitive subhuman state.
At the end of the day they should be grateful that we allowed them to become "independent" states. So what if we handed power to a group of brutal puppet leaders, what does it matter that these puppets are merely our collaborators who are merely ripping off their own people, we couldnt care less, after all africans are not fully human and are used to living in a state of squalor and extreme poverty. The main thing is that we can continue to have access to cheap raw materials and cheap labour. Democracy does not apply when you are dealing with africans as they are too childlike and inferior to appreciate the benefits of such a system. The main thing is that we retain our position in the world and if it means a few million people have to suffer as a result so be it.
Lets face it, without us they wouldnt even know that they were sitting on billions of dollars worth of black gold".

This is the mindset of the average white supremacist - and it seems as if you and them look at black people in the same way.

The problem with your analysis is that it sees everything through the eyes of a white man, in your eyes the white man's way of looking at the world is the correct way, every other way is backward and primitive. According to you the black man should be grateful to the white man because left to his own devices he would not have appreciated the value of crude oil, i would argue that this is an incorrect way to judge a black man's world view, prior to the invasion from the white man the black man had a different civilisation which was serving the needs of his people adequately. The white man perceives the world in terms of money, plunder and exploitation ie capitalism, this is why he left his own country, there was a need for him to venture out into the world, his own countries were poor and therefore he had to explore, occupy and appropriate the wealth of other nations - this is what drives him, but this did not apply to the black man because he already had a land rich in resources, on this basis he had no need to think or behave like the white man. What you are trying to do here is blame the black man for not initially adopting a capitalist outlook which the white man had to adopt out of necessity but which was not necessary for the black man.

Prior to the discovery of crude oil in Oloibiri in 1958, people in the riverine areas were engaged in the palm oil trade with europeans, actually palm oil was one of south eastern nigeria's largest exports, the whites refined it and used it as a lubricant for machinery and also for soap products, did the white man teach us how to grow and harvest palm oil produce ?

i am forced to agree with you that we nigerians are unpatriotic, worship wealth etc etc however there is a reason for that and it is primarily because we have adopted an alien culture ie the white man's love for materialism and unadulterated consumerism. As a conquered race our culture was destroyed and replaced with christianity/islam and capitalism. We were brainwashed into beleiving that our own culture and religion was backward, heathen and primitive, we were told to aspire to be more like our masters, this mentality is now ingrained in the average nigerian and will take extensive re education and reprogramming in order to put us in a mental state where we are capable of thinking in a manner which is devoid of inferiority complex, greed, consumerist and materialistic obsessions and extreme selfishness.

The other reason behind our current backward state is that we are not really a nation, we are merely just a group of diverse people who have been forcefully thrown together and who do not have a common purpose or goal , the northerners want a country governed under sharia law, the igbos do not want to live under such a system and i m pretty sure the non muslim yorubas and other ethnic groups dont want that either and yet we are told that in the interests of "unity" we must remain as one entity for better for worse. Where have you ever seen a country that can progress where all its citizens do not have a common purpose and vision for their country?

if nigeria were to split along ethnic lines i believe that this would engender a spirit of nationalism in each respective ethnic group, with each group wanting to work towards building up and developing their own country.
look at how resourceful the igbos were during the biafran war - they were able to make their own improvised weapons, run schools, courts and markets and even operate their own currency - all this acheived during a state of siege!!!! - it was that nationalistic spirit that kept the igbos going even in the face of so much adversity. Imagine what they would have acheived under normal circumstances.

You can not separate our humanity from our natural resources the two go hand in hand.
The thing you seem to be forgetting is that before the discovery of crude oil many of our people were fishermen or subsistence farmers, this land that has now been appropriated by the FGN in cahoots with the IOCs was owned by indigenous people, therefore by right any resources found underneath this land should remain the property of the landowner. If you appropriate land which was serving as a means of livelihood to a people without giving them any form of compensation and then to make matters worse pollute and devastate that land, surely you have taken away their humanity. Land is a form of wealth and anything in, under or on it is part of the land therefore taking it away from that person without compensating them is not only theft but an abuse of a person's basic human rights.

many of our people regard land as an integral part of their identity without access or rights over your land you are a dispossessed people, the first thing the apartheid south african govt did to the black south african people was disposses them of their land and "resettle" them in barren isolated townships, this also happened in kenya where the british stole fertile land from the kikuyu people and dumped them in overcrowded ghettos, zimbabwe - again the british farmers appropriated the most fertile land and again resettled the indigenous people in ghettos, these are all forms of human rights abuse and should not be defended.

you should change your name to EL CAPITANO. your reasoning is sound, logical and sensible in this matter. its like saying 400 years of slavery should be wished away. while i agree its time to move on, doesnt mean one can wish away injustice, whether internally or externally. until we start to see ourselves as one nation, the benefits of modern democracy may never be realised.

macjive01:
@kobo, sori dear but your husband/partner must really b in trouble. There will b nothing like truce, he must argue ooh.
I hold u in high esteem- for d way u structure your argument, your versatility n command of English but Mehn I don't think anyone- boy/girl, man/woman wud apreciate getting into a face-me-I-face-u argument.
If he trys it!! I'm sure at the end he wud hav to go beg for saliva from someone else.

Don't u ever stop?

Someone has to d senator from Anambra west; her people luvs her and believes in her more the other personalities from the zone, mind u most pple know she is nt a saint, but she happens to b the lesser devil.
Till d true messiah comes the best we can do is to sieve thru d demons for a milder one.

That doesn't mean we don't know wat we want or wat we shd want. The way the society and electoral process is at moment means that's we re condemned to this mediocre till it is reformed or mayb d milder devils develop true soft spot and turn to angels and liberate us lol

dude stick to the topic at hand. no need to personalise here. who told you kobo is looking for a partner/husband, and how does arguing with the partner.husband relevant to the discussion? anyways you should never cast aspersions based on an online personality. you could be wildly and sadly wrong.

failure or no failure she will probably become a senator. that is the stark reality, regardless of our collective opinions in this forum

dayokanu:
Help us tell him o.

Why not say Obesere is also a Millionaire?

so true.

cap28:
You should not lump everyone into the same category, in every society you have differing levels of intelligence, you have intellectuals, academics, entertainers, ordinary working people etc, the same goes for nigeria, to dismiss an entire group of people as being a joke is wrong and totally misses the point.

African americans will go down in history as producing some of the greatest radical minds and intellectual thinkers of the 20th century.

Many radical african intellectuals believed in the philosophy and ideology of radical thinkers such as Malcolm X.

look at the calibre of young men who shook america in the 1960s - Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, H Rap Brown, Huey Newton these were all young black men in their 20s and 30s who dared to challenge the monster that is white supremacy.

The nigerian military are 100 times more brutal than the white supremacists in america. The reason i say this is because in a way you can understand a white man brutalising a black man, when he looks at a black man he cannot relate to him because he does not see himself in a black person, with the nigerian military they look into the faces of their own people and STILL brutalise us DESPITE being of the same race as us - its tragic.

During the civil rights marches of the 1960s african americans were still given some semblance of protection from their govt as the federal govt ordered federal troops to escort black students to all white schools to protect them from lynch mobs, contrast that with the way in which Obasanjo ordered troops to rampage through the niger delta in response to peaceful protests from demonstrators.

The big elephant in the room which you have failed to even notice is the superior military might that the US and other european nations have over africa , military might is the ultimate determiner of power, when you say that we are merely making excuses you fail to understand that the reason we were conquered and remain a conquered nation is not due to our inability to develop but our inability to defend our sovereignty, nigeria cannot prevent any military attack from an external power, therefore even if we were to suceed in kicking out the kleptocrats and refused to carry on with the destructive economic policies of the IMF and world bank we would STILL be at risk of military attack from the west, it is not simply a case of getting your economy on track as i have cited a few instances where democratically elected govts were subsequently toppled because they were not the "right type of governments".

Japan was rewarded with a place at the table of the G8 nations because the US wanted to create pro western countries in south east asia, these countries acted as buffer zones and helped to prevent the spread of communism within that region, as a reward for staying loyal to the US they are allowed to develop economically.

The US operates what it calls spheres of influence - this means that nations lying within certain regions of the world are under US control, all of this was decided between the US and europe in 1823 under what is known as the Monroe doctrine the agreement was that europe would not interfere with or colonise any part of the western hemisphere, by the same token the US was also not to interfere with any regions of the world already colonised by europe.

It should therefore be clear to you that control and domination of world resources had already been shared out amongst europe and the US with everyone else playing the part of a pawn on a grand chess board.

The entire continent of africa was and is still seen as a source of cheap raw materials for europe and america. What you have totally failed to understand is that africa remains a possession of europe, all the nation states of africa were created by white men in the berlin 1885 conference. those artificial countries were created for the economic benefit of europe, the resources contained in those nations remain under the control of western govts and western owned multinationals. The only difference being that the europeans have appointed handpicked collaborators to oversee the exploitation process, that is the model that europe designed for africa and that model remains in place. Notice what happens when any nation tries to break free from that model - remember biafra, remember how britain immediately came to the rescue of nigeria and crushed the secession of biafra, that was because europe will not tolerate a deviation away from this model.
there are other examples - southern sudan has been trying to secede and form a seperate nation from northern sudan for over 30 years, angola was at war for around 30 years in order to free itself from portuguese control the list goes on.

100% on point. add FELA to this list of people influenced by the radical african american thinkers of the 60s, but applied it to the Nigerian situation. well written bro.you know current and past affairs of the world.

hi mr justwise and vic justice, splendid job guys. well done

s 4 was wack though. s1 was great

all the sceptics on photoshop, una don watch the video? yeye sceptics

yup

i fully believe that writing text books in indigenous languages would have benefitted s immensely, i.e. chemistry, biology, math in all the major languages. would have definitely improved the literacy rate. for sure. back to the post well done to all the talented people in academia

Nchara:
Why not you go ahead and tell me one university professor that is among the wealthiest people on earth.
Of course, education should be put into practice such as in industries. But many research findings from universities are normally passed on to entrepreneuers/industrialists. These day though, some academics take loans to establish spin offs so they can manage the practical aspects of their own findings. Most grant monies come from govt agencies and a few rich charities.

Take a look at this website on the topic of money-making and pursuit of a PhD.

http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/essay.phd.html

a lifetime in academia wont guarantee you wealth, but in a country that appreciates it, you will live very comfortably, not to talk of FULFILLED. dont forget that these academics also write books and live off royalties, if successful. money isnt the primary motive but of cos a by product of reaching the top.

i have been entertained [using russell crowe's voice in GLADIATOR].

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7336065#msg7336065 date=1292362543]but you have to be honest, many see that achievement as a fluke because arsenal's dominance didn't last long. when other great european teams have dominated, they at least defended a league title and were victorious in europe. arsenal did none of that so you cannot blame people thinking the invincibles were crap.[/quote]whats your position , do you think they were crap? they failed to capitalise on the success though, it has to be said. big time. even us chelsea won back to back

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7335951#msg7335951 date=1292361548]a bit of both to be honest![/quote]chop knuckle broda.

dayokanu:
That season, Chelsea was under ranieiri and just coming up, Liverpool under Houllier and man Utd just rebuilding

true that, doesnt diminish that excellent season though. its like diminishing barca's season by saying the other teams rolled over for them. sometimes you have to credit the goal scorer, not lambast the keeper

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7335790#msg7335790 date=1292360031]yes, an undeserved winner can win any cup competition but that does not devalue it. if you win the champions league unbeaten, consider it the most difficult task ever because from the group stage onwards, there's no easy team. arsenal's toughest rivals in 2003/4 when they went unbeaten were man utd and chelsea. the other 17 clubs were not up to scratch. in the tie against united(it was 0-0 at ot, 1-1 at highbury), in a champions league format, the gunners would have been eliminated based on the results. lastly, there must be a reason arsene wenger is yet to win the champions league - and that is because it's more difficult than the domestic league.[/quote]were th other 17 teams rubbish or was arsenal exceptional that season?

dayokanu:
ladej,

Till year 2000, The English league wasnt that highly regarded, Even when the CL started EPL was only allowed 3 teams.

When the likes of Henry, Vieira, Pires, Wiltord came to EPL, it was clearly behind the Italian league and just at par with BL and French league.

BTW Are you saying Pires and Wiltord were not playing first team football before joining Arsenal, Kindly check your facts about this.

Before 2000, How many EPL teams made the CL knockout stages? Arsenal couldnt even make CL knockout in those ages, Wasnt it those times that Deportivo, Valencia, Kaiserslautern made mincemeat of Wengers sides?

If not for the hard work for Man Utd, EPL would be producing 3 teams till much later.


Ladej,
Which one do you think its easier playing Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Real Madrid home and way vs Playing Derby County, Sheffield Wednesday, Coventry, West ham, Hull City, Wolves Home and away.

Do you think its easy to go to Nou Camp, Bernabeu, San Siro and Allianz Arena to pick results?

You mean Celtic would say going unbeaten in the Scottish league is difficult when the only big team they had to play was Rangers 4 times

of cos european teams are harder to beat, nothing i said earlier suggested otherwise. pires and wiltord might have been playing first team football but in a lower class league, same position the brits were in 2000 as you rightly pointed out. i agree with your other points

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7335728#msg7335728 date=1292359382]it's not solely because of elimination, the ambiguous "away goal" rule is also a factor and this is why the champions league is more difficult. you can draw twice against your opponents and get eliminated(1-1) at home, (0-0) away and you are out! so for this reason, the champions league is the biggest football competition in my opinion. the quality is top draw and you have to really be on point to clinch it.[/quote]biggest yes, hardest no. im willing to accept at best its different though. its definitely more prestigious, but the consistency needed to win the league takes it for me. due to being seeded big guns can avoid each other, and get a kind draw for the second round. from the QFs onwards u can hit full steam as a club. in the league no soft touch o. if u win the league u have deserved to win the league. champions league has had a few lucky winners IMO, namely porto [remember the disallowed goal from scholes]

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7335631#msg7335631 date=1292358323]so kindly explain why no team has been able to defend their champions league title since 92/93 and these same teams defend their league titles time and time again. the champions league is more difficult! a club can be a local champion like lyon, celtic/rangers, porto, etc in their respective domestic leagues but there's no local champion in europe. if you don't stock up well, you would be found out just like braga exposed arsenal the other night. the champions league is more difficult![/quote]to be honest i have no clear answer to this question and i havent heard a convincing one till date.each brilliant team tend to bomb in the following season. the closest it got to back to back wins was when juventus got to 3 finals in a row in the late 90s. sadly only one was picked up. it might be the unpredictability of knock out football, this would be my educated guess, and i might be wildly wrong. even the excellent barca were tactically crushed by mourinho this year, leaving the players scratching their heads in disbelief. sneider opines it can be done. i wont hold my breath. remember when AC milan last did it they actually played fewer games than now[also a brilliant team to boot]

[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7335564#msg7335564 date=1292357587]alex ferguson won 2 different champions league titles unbeaten - i am yet to see united fans anywhere gloat about that which is even a more difficult task because fergie had to go past good teams like inter milan, barcelona, bayern munich, chelsea, juventus, etc. wenger went unbeaten with less-difficult teams to worry about. besides, there's no special prize for going unbeaten. winning it is the most important thing.[/quote]nope it isnt. league is harder than champions league. time and time again this has been proven. the fact that you play 38 games in a 9 month season is a pointer. the league is more rigorous,more competitive, and the bread and butter of all leagues. of course they are different formats. one is 19 home, 19 away, while the other is a knock out competition. of course the quality is better at champions league, but the games are fewer and spaced further as well.

dayokanu:
How can you be a great manager in club football without winning the greatest prize? How can you be declared a champion without winning the biggest prize?

Henry: Was a Green horn? Do you know Henry was a world cup winner and France highest goal scorer in the World cup before joining Arsenal?

Vieira: Do you know Vieira was already captain of Canne before going to AC Milan and finally Arsenal? Green horn indeed

Robert Pires: Joined Arsenal at the age of 27 after winning the World cup and Euro cup. Before joining Arsenal he has played over 220 Professional football games Yet he is a Green horn. So if Fernando Torres a similar 27yr old who has won Euro cup and World cup should join Chelsea now we would say he is a greenhorn.

Wiltord: Joined Arsenal at the age of 26yrs after playing over 250 games of Professional football and winning the Euro cup. Name another 26yrs old Euro cup winner who scored in the final that can be called a green horn. The way people say all sort just to cover up for wengers inadequacies is pathetic.

Gallas: Are you joking here? Gallas arrived at Arsenal as a 29yr old after winning 2 league titles with Chelsea, and more than a decade of professional football.

I am sure you would say Shevchenko and Ballack too were greenhorns when they arrived Chelsea because they arrived at a similar age.

Read about Guy Roux, He coached Auxerre for over 50yrs, We can also say he is a great manager abi?

mr dayo kanu. i love healthy debates. what i meant was they became house hold names worldwide performing in the english league. dont surprise me by comparing the french ligue 1 to the trio of english, spanish and italian leagues. id squeeze in german too.all the players you have itemised werent playing first team football and were largely disillusioned before coming to arsenal. ok scrap gallas from the list. i know guy roux, very respected amongst his peers.

my guy in d life we live in if you are lucky/blessed enough to work in your chosen profession and are respected by MOST of your colleagues for what u do, and manage to win a few world class projects etc, i feel u can be considered great. obviously our definitions of great clearly differ. nothing do u though. the fact that the word sack isnt even mentioned around his name despite his long lull of trophyless seasons should give you an indication of how highly regarded he is. the media[as horrible as the english one is], dont even mention his name when it comes to being sacked. in england hes a legend.[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7335564#msg7335564 date=1292357587]alex ferguson won 2 different champions league titles unbeaten - i am yet to see united fans anywhere gloat about that which is even a more difficult task because fergie had to go past good teams like inter milan, barcelona, bayern munich, chelsea, juventus, etc. wenger went unbeaten with less-difficult teams to worry about. besides, there's no special prize for going unbeaten. winning it is the most important thing.[/quote]