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[quote author=Busy_body link=topic=626154.msg7966174#msg7966174 date=1300835163]Don't go preaching to me how justice is served cos you don't know nowt about me and i ain't mixing up nothing i ain't like the crass and classless shy-one blowing her trumpet all over how she is this and that, sad pathetic soul that she is And you are the one getting your knickers tangled round your ankles by the way and keep misintepreting my obvious posts written in simple English. I have never mentioned dividing assets anywhere in my post.

1) To provide child support, they would need his proof of earning.
2) To prove he deserves custody, he will need to supply details of his net worth to some extent - prove of income, place where child can stay which will meet up to the standard the child is used to, helps put in place to help the Dad raise the child, the school the child would be attending and the means to afford it, etc

Again i repeat, custody is mainly based on the child's best interest, if Mum is broke, Dad will pay child support and spousal support or vice versa. Remember she is on a student visa and they would not want her to be destitute and fall through the cracks and become a burden on the system, so presented with the man's income, they will be forced to try and get him to stump up till she finds her feet and completes her studies or return to Naija.

And before a child can be sent to Nigeria or a distant place, the Court will make sure the Mum can exercise her Court agreed visitation rights, so for example, if judgement decreed that the Mum should see the child every month, if she cannot afford the airfare and the man cannot afford to be bringing the child every month, the Court would not allow that child go to Nigeria.



O ga o, for the umpteenth time, where in my post did you see me advocating that the woman is entitled to any percentage of his wealth, wasn't my reference to that simply to answer your previous query, o ga o I am just trying to stay on-topic, I hate what the wife is doing and have a few choice words for her, but here is not the time and place



Is he going to be mandated to pay child support without his proof of earnings If he does not want the child, that is his business, but the moment he expresses interest, he is expected to start forking out. Have you seen the crude manner in which child maintenance hearing works, YOU WILL WEEP FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE A HEART THEY BRING OUT A CHALKBOARD LISTING THE MAN'S INCOME AND EXPENDITURE AND STARTS DICTATING WHAT THEY FEEL HE SHOULD SPEND ON FOOD, SOCIALISING, CIGARETTES, ETC, AND WHAT THEY VWANT HIM TO GIVE THE CHILD, THEY DO NOT EVEN MAKE PROVISION FOR THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE SINCE MOVED ON AND HAD OTHER CHILDREN, THEY EXPECT YOUR NEW WIFE TO CATER FOR YOUR OTHER CHILDREN IF YOU CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT YOU ARE GIVING TO YOUR FIRST CHILD, SO WHY WOULD YOU ADVISE SOMEONE TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE

 
Or why do you think men leave their lucrative business to go working as Minicab drivers and such, transfer their properties to families, etc, to avoid paying child support


Does estranged only mean poor to you PI services too boku for naija, never say never



Going down the legal route will get the lady's heckle raised, afterall she is human, let him try talk to her first or get elders to talk to her. The US legal system like the rest of the system in the world takes forever, or how else do you think these money-grabbing attornies are able to justify their eye-wateringly expensive fees And in this time, the woman can play the system, as you saw in the case you provided. For the OP to prove his wife is in Contempt of Court, he will need to spend further money to get the Courts to call the wife to books. Guess who is losing on both ends here - the man- spending thousands to see his own flesh for a few weekends in a month, or do you think access to the child is split down the middle too like that dingbat shy-one

THERE IS NOTHING LIKE UNRESTRICTED 24/7 COURT ACCESS, THE MAN/WOMAN HAS A RIGHT TO HER OWN LIFE, SO ALSO THE CHILD TOO, SO BOTH PARTNERS ARE EXPECTED TO WORK OUT FAVOURABLE ROUTINES BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM. ONE PARTNER GETS THE CHILD WHILST IN SCHOOL, THE OTHER DURING SCHOOL AND SUMMER HOLIDAYS. YOU CAN'T HAVE THE CHILD LIVING IN MICHIGAN THIS MONTH AND NIGERIA THE NEXT, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE OUT THE IMPACT OF THIS ON THE CHILD'S EDUCATION, JEEBUS

So why go through all this rigmarole, when he can  easily resolve things by getting on the woman's good sides, thereby getting access to his kids as and when he wants, as long as his request is reasonable or like I said get the child by all means to Nigeria, and then apply for the full force of the law there which is skewed in favour of the man anyway and give the ex-wife antifreeze or sommat

Polls after polls after polls have revealed that a high percentage of people regret going through the divorce route of engaging lawyers, virtual strangers, and in hindsight, would have gone down the mediation route instead. Once again, my stance is for him to get her down to Naija and get the child off her IF HE IS SURE HE CAN SOLELY LOOK AFTER THE BABY, AND NOT OUT OF SPITE.


Abeg i don tire to dey repeat myself to you over and over and over again jare, na you sabi, make hin go employ Lawyer, na hin be the money miss road, as if she doesn't have people advising her and egging her on too.[/quote]makes sense

ddippset:
a nigerian man would smack and slap even his 40 year old wife not to talk of a 27 year old GIRL. in this part of the world is 27 really an adult? adulthood here begins @ 32.

u go kill me with laff

CILondon:
Nigerian men are so savage and backward. No wonder everyone over here in Europe dislikes them so mucn.

who is everyone.please clarify

fstranger3:
Not quite!

what do u mean not quite?

duduspace:
Will you stop that hasty generalisation? I am Nigerian and live in the UK but I've never been considered savage orbackward by anyone I've met and I should tell you that I have a lot of European friends I share a pint with at the pub and go watching movies and playing footie at the weekend.

It is important to differentiate between mild old school 'tough love' which involves only minor spanking and wholesale domestic abuse which could include elements of GBH. There is a massive difference between the horn of a snail and that of a buffalo.

thanks broda

Sweetnecta:
@ladej; « #19 on: Today at 02:26:44 AM »the bold is neither a clear singular purpose nor anything noble about the purpose of your being here. your answer does not logically or sensibly answer the question. you say feel and could to indicate uncertainty in addition to being of too many purpose along with the illogical quality of your answer. i didnt say purposes and i want something that a logical person can relate to when he/she hears or reads it, put him/herself or somebody else into the logic of the statement. everyone of us have this singular purpose with any exception. your listed 'purposes' are at best byproducts of the singular purpose.



@thehomer; « #20 on: Today at 07:12:48 PM »true if your brain didnt freeze. Further the thought that your body may still get hit, if the wet floor runs the current to where you are laying or you are now surrounded will scare you which itself may induce fear in normal mind.


is there at least a fear in the heart of the person who may be fried here? considering when the frying is just about to begin. . . .

to each his own

Sweetnecta:
could any of you give me the purpose of your life?

why are you here?

i need proof. something that is logical [sensible].

i feel my purpose is to help people. it could be in relation to careers, love, a kind word, a shoulder to cry on, or plainly listen.

Outstrip:
He is the father of the child not the owner. He cannot go repossess the child like it is property. You need to read what this poster was responding to. Also I am not sure what an international lawyer can do for him. The child is not in danger. He obviously has the right to contact his child but he certainly cannot just walk into his wife's home and remove that child.

true dat. he doesnt need to. pickin go grow one day and demand to see hin papa, assuming he doesnt see the child for a long time. common sense will prevail and poster will get to see his child. if not move on with your life. one day ur kid will yearn for u. just keep on being a good father and trying to establish contact[without being aggressive or breaking the law]. the Lord is your strength.

ZIM DRILL:
i think the child is better with mum based on what american can offer better education, health care etc unless the mum is living in a ghetto

think what nigeria can offer to the child and compare to american

again its what the country can offer. what about what we can offer to the country? disapora didnt get that way by what the citizens want. its a symbiotic partnership.

ZIM DRILL:
i think the child is better with mum based on what american can offer better education, health care etc unless the mum is living in a ghetto

think what nigeria can offer to the child and compare to american

not necessarilty true. though america offers better education health care etc, one doesnt know the child's future. there are children who have grown up in nigeria and gotten to the top of their careers without stepping out of the airports, and other who grow up in diaspora and end up 'average'. only God knows the future.

[quote author=mr_chemist link=topic=626154.msg7946171#msg7946171 date=1300573129]Thanks All for your comment. I can now see life is not what you Plan but what you see, What hope and trust can I have in another woman in making her GREAT, I m just speechless and IN GOD I TRUST,[/quote]bros the most important line is the bolded. God will vindicate you as long as you are honest with Him and yourself. it is well.

Kobojunkie:
I am not anti-deregulation. I believe the argument for it makes sense BUT we have a corrupt government that continues to short-change us in the name of deregulation -- that I believe is part and parcel of the issue we need to tackle if deregulation is to work for us. I believe the major reason deregulation of Telecommunication worked to the extent that it did was because our government, and corrupt politrickians out there were not heavily dependent on that problem for much of their pocket lining.

thank you. made a lot of sense

ziccoit:
Thank you jare. To buttress your point, KEROSINE has been fully deregulated for over 6 years now before obj left. What do we have today? Scarcity, price hike and what have you. So not all products are deregulatable, especially in Nigeria.

its not deregulation, its GOOD GOVERNANCE WE NEED

chriswely:
, what do u mean by allow GEJ n c, as long as he is under PDP nuttin gud can be done because he ll be receivin orders from tha same old pieces of poo we know, he wont fight corruption which is one of tha major problem wit 9ja because its his own ppl dt r corrupt, he ll onli use EFCC n oda enforcement agencies to tackle oppositions e.g luk how he hv bin tryin to drag Ibori bk to 9ja. Dt umbrella is of no gud to dis country. If anoda party is able to tk power n dey go ahead n fight oppositions n tha nxt regime a different party wins tha election n probes oppositions, 9ja 'll be a beta place for tha masses,

u mean, ahem UMBLERA?

dayokanu:
GEJ has been there for a while and he is seen romancing with the same people that stole all everything. He is simply same of the same.

I would rather take my chances with someone else than stick to the cycle of failure called GEJ

word bro. same old same old

Sagamite:
The was a court case against the man. The main lied when he denied it.

I don't know how Fashola insinuated he was a criminal. From what I could gauge, it appears the reason he wanted to see the governor was to have some man in influence to impress on his behalf about the case.

Fck culture when a reetard wants to use the benefits culture accrues him unjustly. The man is a foooool and should not hide behind culture.

Is a TV governorship debate the place a "respected" elder should be raising questions about being denied his "birth-right" to see the Governor? He is mad. So a self-proclaimed respected elder is using such a medium to settle scores and score points against his opponent under the tag "culture"? So Fashola should keep quiet so the moooron can score the cheap points he is looking for and use the "elder" tag to argue and stifle any reply? He is reetarded!

Fck Culture!

bros your points are valid on randle, i have no qualms about them. what separates true politicians is the ability to refrain from responding, even when pushed. fashola knew randle was no threat to his campaign, knowing that a little tact and poise should have been enacted. not responding actually shows not only is fashola a better politician, but a better man.

Sagamite:
Please explain what you saw that made you say he acted like someone that was not brought up properly.

his response to randle when randle started talking about not being seen for 3 years. fashola responded well when he added that it was a court case. calling him or insinuating that randle was a criminal was wrong, as well as mentioning his house number. there is still culture and fashola could have handled it better. the same way obama handled Hillary and mcCain when they questioned his age and inexperience. cool, calm and collected.

Tokotaya:
I dont think anyone worthy of being taken seriously will glorify 419 like he did with his "Maga don pay shout Halleluyah" WTF!

jay z glorified drugs a lot in his early days, now hes an icon. and yes its a SONG

i believe we may have seen the best of fashola, the next 4 years will be geared towards a shot at aso rock, not lagos state. in order words his focus may shift, and he will take the risk, banking on the goodwill of lagosians.

on the debate it was welcomed. i enjoyed the verbal sparring and fashola shaded it clearly. im of the opinion that better planning and an overall sound strategy by his opponents may have helped their cause. i also saw a side of him id never seen, his temper and penchant for pettiness. he acted like a child that wasnt brought up properly. randle dangled a bait and fashola fell for it hook, line and sinker.

he should have watched the way obama didnt fall for hillary's pettiness and constant harping over his inexperience. obama stayed calm,

you know the rest,

olanshi:
Available,

your arrogance is quite offensive. you have been caught in the cookie jar, and instead of addressing the concerns my fellow nairalanders have posed you ignore them. you have 2 options

1. you adress the concerns and explain, i.e. while you may have only used it for 3 months, it was bought and registered in 2006.

2. there is no way this car was registered 3 months ago. the proof has been provided by warchild

please note that we are in a dynamic world where facts can be checked faster than your fart emits from your ass. your credibility is at stake. i would implore you to consider the options aforementioned. failing that its unlikely this particular forum will meet your needs

goodluck.

the sad truth is genevieve has never met atiku. never. dont believe everything you read in the papers. part of education is being able to discern and decide what is right and what is available. for those who opine that theres no smoke without fire, ask brad pitt and angelina jolie how much they got paid in damages from the 'news of the world' for lying they were splitting up. in that case there was no smoke, and definitely no fire. just an overzealous news editior.

na wa o. una dey deep. i dey go chop amala, once i return i go give una my 10 naira worth. peace

PeeDaVinci:
I will not like to draw issues with you about on the comparison you are making between the voting system for grammy and "the current" voting system for "footballer of the year". However, I will like you to read up on those voting processes b4 jumping into conclusion because of your pre-concieved prejudice. Will like to just say, this is an open system where all member countries present three reps which voted independently of , even, their country's influence - Yobo voted for Messi(1st), Sneidjer(2nd), and Maicon(3rd), Siasia voted for Iniesta(1st), Sneidjer(2nd) and Forlan(3rd), and this is how it spreads over all the countries. So, it will be nice to hear your conspiracy theory about the election was rigged/influenced by Fifa to impose Messi. Just be, please, sportsmanly in your views- that u seriously strongly believe that someone deserves it does not mean everybody all over the world will just think like you.

assuming its an open system as you say it is, 'sportmanly' the voters totally neglected the world cup and the CL. based on the rest of the season messi deserved it.

koruji:
@ladej
Of course it is late in the day now, but when I say public shooting I am not talking about some random process. I am talking about a serious process where the trial of the accused are publicised, the details of their sordid acts laid bare and the sentence publicly carried out. It doesn't even need to be literal shooting, as long as humans that will go to the extent of hacking down children in the middle of the night get the death penalty, somehow. What I am suggesting is a period in which the nation is focused on the magnitude of this problem and how serious the president takes it.

Like kids who may loose all sense of control when no parent is watching, what we need is a message that the "parent" is watching in Nigeria and will act swiftly. The parties in the Jos conflict need to be jolted out of their t.it-for-tat "madness" by a strong hand and returned to humanity by facing the real meaning of what they keep doing every other month. Just look at the news this morning and you will realize that all those things you talked about are long-term stuff, which if people are not made to face the consequences of their actions will not help at all:

thanks for explaining your point of view which is rational. and yes you are right that my view is suited to mid to long term solutions. those guys are barbaric !

Kobojunkie:
You are evil . . .

[quote author=jay_getta link=topic=583532.msg7508129#msg7508129 date=1294750396]Chei, look insult. Comparing Hillary to Remi! O ti sele, o ti pari! Hillary was part and parcel of her husband's failed Universal Health Care Plan, but I guess u wouldn't know this (this was while he was still in office by the way). . . A faire comparison would be Remi Tinubu and Griselda Blanco; at least we know what Ojuyobo was up to while he live in Chi Town![/quote]true but she did good work in education during her husband's stint as arkansa's governor. read it up mate.

In one of the Clinton governorship's most important initiatives, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association, to establish mandatory teacher testing and state standards for curriculum and classroom size.[81][88] In 1985, she also introduced Arkansas's Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.[90] She was named Arkansas Woman of the Year in 1983 and Arkansas Mother of the Year in 1984.[91][92]

JJay1:
And what political experience did Hillary have before going to the senate?

read it up. she did fantastic work in state education.

snthesis:
give to whom?

registered orphanages for starters.

texazzpete:
Do you realize this is kidnapping?
Abeg, don't go and take a child from his/her parents without their consent. They'll skin you alive. Let's keep contributions sensible, please.

true say

beknown:
There is no time to waste. The first step is to get the information about existing orphanages. I have researched some orphanages in Nigeria. I do not have their full addresses but I will continue my research.

ABUJA CHILDREN'S HOME KARU FCT ABUJA Abuja
ADONAI ORPHANAGE & MOTHERLESS HOME, KADUNA STATE Kaduna  
AKWA IBOM MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, AKWA IBOM STATE Akwa Ibom  
ANTONIETA FARANI CHILDRENS HOME  Ogun  
ARROWS OF GOD ORPHANAGE, LAGOS STATE Lagos  
BAYELSA CHILDREN\'S HOME, OVUM BAYELSA STATE Bayelsa  
BEMA ORPHANAGE ABUJA Abuja  
BEMA ORPHANAGE ABUJA Abuja  
BLESSED THOMAS FUSCO HOPE HOUSE Imo  
CHILDREN OF MARY ORPHANAGE & MOTHERLESS HOME Benue  
CHILDREN OF PROMISE MINISTRIES  Oyo  
CHIM\'S MOTHERLESS AND DESTITUTE CENTRE, ABIA STATE Abia  
CHRIST FAMILY ORPHANAGE Edo  
CHRISTIAN CHILD CARE (CCC), UMUOBA - URATTA Imo  
CITY OF REFUGE HOME, ABUJA Abuja  
CITY OF REFUGE ORPHANAGE HOME, SABO-TASHA Kaduna  
DIVINE PROVIDENCE HOME Cross River  
EDO ORPHANAGE HOME Edo  
EKUNDAYO CHILDREN HOME MAKUTU ISANLU, YAGBA EAST  Kogi  
ERUBODO HOME FOR SPECIAL CHILDREN  Ogun  
EZIAMA MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME Imo  
F.S.P. ORPHANAGE, BIRNIN KEBBI  Kebbi  
FAMILY SUPPORT PROGRAMME CHILDRENS HOME Gombe  
FATHERLESS & MOTHERLESS ORPHANAGE Abuja  
FOMWAN ORPHANAGE BASHORUN OYO STATE Oyo  
GIDAN BEGE (HOME OF HOPE) - JOS Plateau  
GOD\'S WILL ORPHANAGE  Kogi  
GOOD SAMARITAN HOME  Edo  
GREATER GRACE ORPHANAGE HOME  Kogi  
GUARDIAN ANGEL MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME Enugu  
HEPHZIBAH HOMES Lagos  
HOLY CHILD MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME OGUI  Enugu  
IBADAN HOME FOR MOTHERLESS BABIES  Oyo  
IJAMIDO MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME  Ogun  
IZZI MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, OSWANKA  Ebonyi  
JEMAIYAR MATAN AREWA ORHANAGE HOME  Kaduna  
KWARA STATE CHILDREN RECEPTION CENTRE  Kwara  
LADY ABENI ORPHANAGE HOME BENIN CITY  Edo  
LEKKI CHILDRENS HOME Lagos  
LESEKESE ORPHANAGE  Oyo  
LITTLE SAINTS ORPHANAGE, Lagos  
LOVE HOME ORPHANAGE Lagos  
M.W.A.S.D. - M.B.H. & DAYCARE CENTRE, BAUCHI - BAUCHI STATE Bauchi  
M.W.A.S.D. ORPHANAGE & OLD PEOPLES HOME Niger  
MAIMUNA J. KATAI MEMORIAL HOME Nassarawa  
MAMA ABAYOL CHILDREN ORPHANAGE HOME (EXTENSION) HIGH LEVEL, MAKURDI Benue  
MARY IMMACULATE ORPHANAGE Cross River  
MERCY HOME ORPHANAGE ROMI JUNCTION Kaduna  
MERCY MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME  Imo  
MFON ABASI ORPHANAGE, IKOT OKU MFANG, AKWA IBOM STATE Akwa Ibom  
MININSTRY OF WOMEN AFFAIRS HOME Yobe  
MININSTRY OF WOMEN AFFAIRS ORPHANAGE HOME Zamfara  
MINISTRY OF MERCY Kogi  
MINISTRY OF SOCIAL WELFARE SPORTS & CULTURE Sokoto  
MINISTRY OF WOMEN & SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT CHILDREN HOME Borno  
MINISTRY OF WOMEN AFFAIRS AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT HOME EKITI STATE Ekiti  
MINISTRY OF WOMEN AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT DAYCARE & ORPHANAGE CENTRE, YOLA ADAMAWA STATE Adamawa  
MINISTRY OF WOMEN AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME. & DAYCARE CENTRE Bauchi  
MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, EKPONSA ABASI, UWANSE, CALABAR Cross River  
MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, KATSINA  Katsina  
MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, MPOK ONNA  Akwa Ibom  
NASSARAWA CHILDREN\'S HOME Kano  
NGWA ROAD MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, ABIA STATE Abia  
NIGERIAN RED CROSS M.B.H., ONITSHA - ANAMBRA STATE Anambra  
NIGERIAN RED CROSS MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME Enugu  
NIGERIAN RED CROSS MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, ABAKALIKI  Ebonyi  
NIGERIAN RED CROSS SOCIETY (ORPHANAGE & ABANDONED CHILDREN HOME) Lagos  
OGUN STATE CHILDREN HOME Ogun  
ONDO CHILDREN\' HOME Ondo  
ONITSHA SOUTH LOCAL GOVERMENT MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME, ANAMBRA STATE Anambra  
OUR LADY OF APOSTLES CLINIC AND ORPHANAGE HOME, JOS PLATEAU STATE Plateau  
OUR LADY OF FATIMA MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME Osun  
OUR SAVIOUR\'S ORPHANAGE HOME Delta  
PLATEAU STATE FSP CHILDREN HOME - BIDDA BIDI  Plateau  
POOREST OF THE POOR HOME {ANAWIM} DAGIRU, FCT ABUJA Abuja  
PRECIOUS PEARLS ORPHANAGES Lagos  
PRO LABOREI DEI, ASABA  Delta  
RIVERS CHILDREN HOME (M.W.A.S.D.) BOROKIRI Rivers  
S.O.S CHILDRENS VILLAGE OWU  Ogun  
S.O.S. CHILDREN\' VILLAGE, ISOLO  Lagos  
SALVATION ARMY CHILDREN Akwa Ibom  
ST JOSEPHS ORPHANAGE HOME Cross River  
ST JOSEPHS ORPHANGE HOME OGOJA CROSS RIVER STATE Abia  
ST. ANNES ORPHANAGE, EFFURUN  Delta  
THE HERITAGE HOMES ORPHANAGE Lagos  
UGOLEH ORPHANAGE OLEH DELTA STATE Delta  
UMCN ORPHANAGE HOME  Taraba  
UNITY OPRPHANAGE (JABI ORPHANAGE HOME) FCT ABUJA Abuja  
VIRTUOUS WOMEN ORPHANAGE UGEP CROSS RIVER STATE Cross River  
WESLEY GUILD MOTHERLESS BABIES HOME Osun  
WIDOWS REHABILITATION & ORPHANAGE MISSION, ZURU  Kebbi

excellent contribution

Mcleo007:
I believe none of us here knows more than those who voted him as the best. Aside being a fan of Messi,there is no denying it that the guy is hyper-fantastic. And what is the award given for- the best player in the world. Look it at this way:- the boy started his career as an attacking midfielder,operating from the flanks. Between last year and present,Messi has played in more than 3 positions and have been outstandiing in all! He scored five hattricks in the year in review.
And then,u cannot use the performance of his national team to judge his world cup outing. The whole world knws Maradonna is whack and the argentine team performed woefully becos of him. People won't talk of xavi,iniesta if spain didn't win d world cup. Same wiv sneidjer if inter hadn't won d treble. But Messi? He is at d center of every attraction. He's too much!

im not so sure about that, the way FIFA carry out their affairs. i remember a thierry henry being denied top honours on the basis on bombing for france and in the CL, despite being the best player in the world elsewhere. very similar to messi this year.

why cant we use the performance of his national team to judge? why did ronaldo win world player of the year in 2002, despite playing only a handful of games. world cup is the ultimate in football and always will be. FIFA got this wrong. you are clearly biased in saying that ,' People won't talk of xavi,iniesta if spain didn't win d world cup. Same wiv sneidjer if inter hadn't won d treble'. clearly.

ayubam:
To Every Christian and Church Goers on Nairaland: I am still dumbfounded with the show of "Too Know" and "Unteachable Attitude" many of us showcase on this forum. No wonder things are not changing despite so many religious activities going on in the land- HEAVENLY BOUND BUT EARTHLY IRRELEVANT. I have heard many comments from so called christians that pastor should not be partisan but to only stay in church and preah Gospel as that was the assignment given to them by God. Were you there when God gave them assignment? How come you limit there territory of their influence to the church and not politics?

Just think to these thoughts. Is there a role the church of God needs to play in the emmergence of a true nation? Or we should continue to suffer until Jesus comes to take us home and do nothing about our polity. Then y should i pay my tax if my allegiance is only to God?

What roles did Prophets of old Like Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Obadiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Amos etc played in Governmental structures in their days? Did Paul stood before Agrippa to defend his teaching. Was he just reading the Scrolls, Remember most of the things we are reading about Paul today was not available for him to read, He lived a normal Life and was inspired by God to write them down for our learning, reproof, corrections so that we can continue where they stopped.

I CHALLENGE YOU ALL BAKARE CRITICS TO BRING IT OUT EXPRESSLY WHERE IT IS WRITTEN IN THE SCRIPTURE THAT GOD'S MINISTERS MUST NOT BE PARTISAN AND MUST NOT MENTION THE NAME OF GOVERNMENTAL LEADERS (KINGS) WHEN FUNCTIONING IN THEIR OFFICE, ELSE KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND LISTEN TO WISDOM WHEN PEOPLE WITH WISDOM SPEAKS TO YOU.

God through Noah prophesied that Nineveh will be destroyed and when they prayed God change his mind, My rebuke is to you christians who think they know what to do BUT VERY CLUELESS.

My advice: no prophet is God. You have duty and responsibility to do what you like in the same manner BAKARE has every right to bring timely warning to the NATION, It is in our HANDS, Wether to continue with the same party who has ruled for 12years without improving our lives or to use our sovereignty to tell them Enough is Enough and send them packing to put their house in order cos PDP is in disorder now and it is God's word, A house Divided against itself will not stand, Selah

sensible post

koruji:
There is some truth in the fact that terrorists and political opponents are trying to take advantage. However, there is a need for a tone. Jos is not a setup. Do you know how many committees have examined and re-examined that situation or how many times GEJ has said in the course of a few months "the perperators will be caught". Nobody is asking him to spit fire, but his tone does not put the fear of God in the do-no-gooders, so they are bold to continue this terrorist activity.

Bottomline - [size=14pt][b]SOMEBODY OUGHT TO HAVE BEEN SHOT PUBLICY FOR THE KILLINGS IN JOS [/b][/size] over the last few month. That way, another fool will think twice b/4 taking the same business to Abuja.

how does publich shooting stem the flow? did firing squad reduce armed robbery in nigeria? once again we fight the overshoot of the problem without tackling the root cause. what we need is collective information gathering, intelligence on ground, and the creation of a condusive atmosphere, as well as long punitive damages for the culprits. imagine no bomb sniffing dogs. what a shame

ayubam:
@ Ilugunboy

[table]This man should stay back on his pulpit and stop hugging the pressmen.
I definitely have my resevations on this press interviews he grants on daily basis and all directed at attacking GEJ.

Can he attack an Hausa/Fulani president like he does GEJ?
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Are you a teenager? or are you new in this country? Where were you during the days of Abacha, Are you aware he even left Lagos to Kano to declare God's Mandate on Abacha, Well not surprised, most Nigerians have short memory and we are about to repeat past mistakes,

why should he stay back? did desmond tutu stay back, did martin luther king stay back, did the church leaders in england stay back [when the english were behaving like barbarians]? the collective answer is NO. we need these guys to talk and do their part. heaven is the ultimate goal but must we suffer hell on earth before getting there?

leboss6:
i got no qualms wit her contesting, did hillary clinton not contest for Americas presidency

apples and oranges mate. hillary clinton had good experience as a senator before contesting for the presidency. Remi on the other hand has no political experience. the main thing though is that she performs, if elected.

freeman191:
We see them in major bus stops all around lagos, 3years old and above, hanging to your hand, trouser or skirt, pleading for money, saying something, like "abeg give me money i never chop" sometimes you hand them a 10naira note or just simply ignore them, or totally avoid them. What we fail to understand is that, we has a society has totally damaged the physic or emotional state of the little child.

1. The child is pushed out by his mother to fend for him/herself, refusing the child love and protection, even mother hens fend for their little ones, not to talk of human beings.

2. When the child gets 10naira note from you, he feels he cannot get anything in life, only by begging for it (mental slavery)

3. When the child gets refused by you, he/she gets embarrassed and suffers emotional breakdown, feeling to him/herself that he/she is not wanted, and feels less human, thats why some develop habits of rudeness to block such feeling.

The very foundation of this child is already traumatized, not to talk of female child beggars who get violated, molested and kidnapped for ritual purposes. As a nation we must question our conscience and humanity to see such things and turn a blind eye, as if we were not once kids. Most of us were pampered, spoilt and protected as a child, shielded from such hardships.

Today, i dont want to blame the parent of the child, nor the government of the day, i want to focus on you and I, what we have done in adding or reducing to this dis-humanization. Oh we may say whats my business, am i the parent, but are we that callous not to have human feelings for another human being, have we totally lost our sense of pride and love as a nation.

The fact remains that the parents of those children have failed, the government too has failed in their duties, must we also fail too as a person. Must we fold our hands and pray that all will be well, go to church and raise holy hands to God, asking him to bless you. The joy of living is to help another human being to live. In our little way we are capable of helping this children, if he/she was your blood child, sister or brother, would you really be happy to see those children go through that, the truth is that they are not our blood relatives, but they are our children, because God has placed them in our care.

This nation will never move forward if we leave our problems in the hands of Government, or turn a blind eye to our problems, and saying that it does not concern me, then we are a nation of jokers who day dream of a better nation, when the people of the nation are not willing to be better persons. Nations can only be built when Citizens come together collectively and tackle their community problems.

Don't just sit there and fold your hands, we can do something no matter how small, if 10 people come together and donate just 500naira a month, to keep a child in school and also feed him/her, with that act of kindness, you would have saved the life of that child from a terrible way of life.

We are the future leaders of tomorrow, lets make a better leader than our current leaders

curled from www.voiceoutng.com

i love this piece and initiative. so simple yet so effective if followed fully. the blame game has never and will never solve any problem. forget about the government, their parents, society. concentrate on me me me. what have i done to alleviate the situation? it doesnt have to be 500 naira monthly. give as you can honestly as you can afford and do it with a smile.remember God created them as he did you and as he loves a cheerful giver in the religious homes, He probably loves it more when you give to the defenseless children [at least the churches arent defenseless]. imagine the fulfillment your soul will have if u and i decide to visit an orphanage every month, even for 30 mins a month. imagine the joy of those kids when they see you, and the impact on their collective lives. God doesnt bless us for us and our families alone, He blesses us so we can empower generations and communities.

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=575357.msg7419469#msg7419469 date=1293499510]Is it really too late to be known?

That's what campaign is for, no?

It doesnt mean he has to start passing out bags of rice o [/quote]yeah it is actually. 4 months to go and he's still not a house hold name. money of course would be a constraint, as in he has to be everywhere, billboards, TV, online, everywhere. and as someone rightly pointed out, grassroots. hit almost every major city while spreading the word in the smaller communities.

Miss EZ:
Good point. But babe, u ma know sef say no be everybody wey claim intelligence go fit show am. my point is just that from the get go, you know that the man go school, lol,  but like u said, its not a true measure of what someone can do

true say. yar adua went to school. so did george bush.

Miss EZ:
From what i know of PAt Utomi, he is a smart man, but when he speaks of Nigeria, he talks as if it is an ideal setting. But is it? No its not. Can it be? yes it can, but for now, work with what you see on ground

hes an economist with an extremely utopian view of nigeria, hence the idealistic stance[quote author=Becomrich? link=topic=575357.msg7419496#msg7419496 date=1293500391]He cant win, there are just 4 party that can win in Nigeria. he is not in any of them. So he cant win.[/quote]this is extremely simplistic. why not break it down further.

Eziachi:
Why can't someone like Utomi go to the senate, house of Rep or state house of assembly? Why can't he be a local govt chairman and make waves from there. Running for something that even an unborn baby knew he has no chance in Nigerian version of democracy. Waste of time.

cos he probably feels he will effect the most change at a presidential level