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[quote author=cou-gar link=topic=357031.msg7334712#msg7334712 date=1292349082]arsene wenger is a decent manager, he's not a great coach. to be great is to do something extra-ordinary consistently. wenger has not done that (yet). to be great is to defend a league title - wenger hasn't done that yet. to be great is to win a european cup - wenger hasn't done that yet. i don't disagree he's been great for arsenal but that is because arsenal are small time. in the clique of great european managers, wenger is an apprentice.[/quote]i bef to differ bros.i agree he failed to win back to back titles but hes also the only manager to go unbeaten in a season since the prem started 17 years ago. the european cup is one i cannot defend here, but because he didnt win it doesnt mean he isnt great.

dayokanu:
The bolded, whats the motive of all that, If you claim you have all that and still cant get the job done?

If you tell your employer, you are a great team player, Have a PhD, attention to detail bla bla bla and yet you cant get a single project done succesfully whats the use?


All his new technology, psychology, playing style, development. retaining etc whats the end result? 5 seasons of barrenness?

Talent spotting like Owusu Abeyie, Arturo Lupoli, Justin Hoyte, Jeremy Aliadiere, Fabrice Muamba?

How many players have been discovered by wenGAy that have won Young player at the World cup?

you conveniently didnt mention henry, vieira, pires, wiltord, fabregas, gallas, all who were green horns when they arrived in england and left marginally better wouldnt u agree? and a certain kanu nwankwo, who arguable had his best years in an arsenal shirt. well hes not going anywhere and he and alex remain the longest serving managers to day in top class football. that counts for something. im not asking you to agree, im asking you to see a different perspective to this. true say but hes gotten the project done loads of times, just that the last 5 seasons have been shocking to say the least

dayokanu:
You said he lags behind in trophies, then what is he good at? Lies, Dressing, Wrinkles, child molestation or what?

Arsene wenger refused(In your own words) to go to Madrid because he knows they dont tolerate mediocrity. Its only in Arsenal where mediocrity is celebrated. If he were to coach Madrid he cant last 4 months before he is sacked. Do you think any coach in Madrid can be trophyless for 2 seasons without getting sacked?

You have a right to your opinion but make it logical. Ferguson also said yesterday that Allardyce is a great coach, I am sure he knows better than you.

BTW Jose Mourinho who knows better than all, Has said Wenger is a Failure, A voyuer and a fraud

i agree he would be sacked if he went to madrid. but also bear in mind that in madrid the coach never buys players. that is exclusive to the board. hence why he never went. creative control. capello was sacked despite winning the league, and perhaps mourinho too. hell even del bosque was sacked despite doing well. real madrid aside, i stand by my word. mourinho and wenger never liked each each from the get go. i feel his comments has a personal bad taste to it. as for ferguson saying allardyce is a grerat coach i believe him. not because he is ferguson but because his 'greatness' is relative to the reources he has worked with. in bolton he did a hell of a job despite never buying a player over 1 million quid. think he used a collection of unwanted talented players. granted he didnt win a title, but it was the way he still produced countless results that caught the eye. so my guy perhaps greatness is relative and shouldnt just be based on quantity[as in how many titles won], but be based on the overall picture such as titles, talent spotting, retaining, development, being a credit to the game, playing style, introduction of new technology, using pyschology to get the best from players, tactics and technical skill. its ur opinion that arsenal lack ambition but the board are perfectly happy with him and the job is his to lose

now how many peeps can say that? abi u feel say na juju he dey use?

dayokanu:
So what does that say about Monsieur WenGAY?

11 games vs Chelsea/Man Utd without a win, 13 goals in 13 games conceded to Didier Drogba, 5 seasons without a trophy, 6 seasons without the league and 27years of coaching without a European title.

Yet you claim he is a great coach. Kindly rationalize your earlier assertion

my guy no beef na. apples and oranges mate. in terms of overall trophies of course he lags behind. he had the chance to manage Madrid but chose to remain in arsenal cos of his principles, same principles that have cost him numerous titles. however i have a right to my opinion despite the fact im a chelsea fan. hes been an asset to england, and even alex will admit that he is a great manager[and he has done publicly]. why i would disagree with alex ferguson beggars belief. he more than anyone knows what a great manager is, after all we are all arm chair critics here [at least i am]. i maintain my stance. ARSENE WENGER IS A GREAT COACH. there. said it.

dayokanu:
Mr Ladej,

Come and tell us about that useless coach called wenGAY

what can i say. arsenal were outclassed yesterday and didnt play like champions. comprehensively outfought, muscled. however im not an arsenal fan. hoping chelsea will wake up from this slumber.

Kobojunkie:
I am peaceful as well . . . . I am just explaining that I don't think that way at all.

Last year, america released to Nigeria the names of those who received the bribes on the Nigerian side. To date, the Nigerian government and EFCC has dragged it's feet on prosecuting those named.  On the american end though, there are former halliburton officials serving jail term for their involvement.

happy to hear that. we learn everyday

Kobojunkie:
Yes you did make an assumption.
The question above assumes that I somehow or at one time believed the USA was devoid of corruption. And so, I felt I had to explain to you that I don't have to worry about things like that because I don't believe there is such a thing as a PERFECT/ CORRUPTION FREE/ HOLY etc PERSON/PEOPLE/ETHNIC GROUP/NATION/COUNTRY/CONTINENT/PLANET etc

If not the one, then not the other!

u got me at hello . told u, peace . im all about peace.

Kobojunkie:
The sermon was needed because your question was based on an assumption that I probably reasoned the way you do in such.

i made no assumptions whatsoever. and i am perfectly happy to have a separate reasoning from u or anyone else. thats what make us unique as humans. infact i learn from those who have a separate and distinct opinion from mine

Kobojunkie:
No, I am not considering it at all(such thoughts do not cross my mind at all) because I have never espoused the  belief there exists a NON-corrupt/PERFECT entity/community/people/nation/country etc.  in the first place.

It is people like you who continue to miss out on that fact, that are plagued with thoughts like the one you ask of there.


Moving on now . . .

i merely asked a question. why the sermon?

i will allow God to decide as he did the first time. the most important thing is to fulfil my destiny according to His will, not my nationality. if it is Nigeria again, then i fully embrace it.

Kobojunkie:
Considering

a) The speed with which the case was settled -- Just last week Thursday, Hillary Clinton got the question on the case and she mentioned that she had no comment since it was in court.

b) The Continued insistence that the charges were baseless

It seems you are not far from the truth there. I mean it almost feels like a 'TAKE THE PAY AND BUZZ OFF ALREADY' arrangement/Payment to ensure halliburton can continue with Business in Nigeria, with little or no downtime. Lets see how strong of a case EFCC thinks it has against Cheney, and if it will instead settle for the pay in this case.

are u slowly considering the US is at least corrupt. if so yipee

mekaboy:
THEY SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT HIM ALIVE . THE ONLY WAY NIGERIA CAN BATTLE CRIME IS TO HAVE MORE TRUST WORTHY SECRET POLICE AGENTS IN THE SOCIETY. THATS HOW MOST DEVELOPED COUNTRIES ARE ABLE TO SUCCEED IN FIGHTING CRIME.

SUPPOSING A GROUP OF YOUNG SECRET AGENTS WERE SENT INTO ABA FEW MONTHS BEFORE TO MINGLE WITH THE SOCIETY, THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN TO KNOW WHO ALL THESE BAD GUYS WHERE BEFORE THE SOLDIERS ARRIVED.

BY THE TIME THE SOLDIERS ARRIVE, THERE WILL BE NO NEED TO EXCHANGE BULLETS, THEY WOULD SIMPLY BE ARRESTING THEM OVERNIGHT.

na so dem arrest bin laden boys abi or d terrorists wey bomb london? e no easy bros

arsenal dont look like scoring.

dayokanu:
Cry me a riverr

there u go mate, still poor decision

justice

poor decision

poor quality. so many missplaced passes. far cry from BARCA

one kondo

emofine:
Lol OP your question funny die!
how u go attack pesin wey dey for your side b4?

best answer so far

[quote author=Ileke-IdI link=topic=566722.msg7317493#msg7317493 date=1292106314]As long as it's not aba made.[/quote]madam ileke. nothing do u

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=566358.msg7317455#msg7317455 date=1292105893]Far from it.I just want him to release everything at once. [/quote]enough cables to whet our appetites for the next 365 days.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=566358.msg7317031#msg7317031 date=1292100461]so that they can extradite him to US abi ? [/quote]where he has 0% chance of a fair trial

oyb:
abegi

double standards and hypocrisy

if assange had leaked russian or chinese or iranian cables, he would be hailed as a hero

i remember the way the us always lionizes people who turned in soviet documents etal as heroes bla bla bla

the shoe is on the other foot, and we are seeing the sort of heavyhandedness typically associated with china etal

we can blathe and balther about war etc, but that imho, is just noise.

most of the media reports on the cables indicated there's nothing of serious military significance

its mostly stuff we've all known on some level.

yep they form bulk of the 2nd generation americans given passports for info

Chrisbenogor:
If only you knew what happened *shakes head* one of the people he supposedly despoiled threw him a party a day after the "despoil"

educate them bros. another said he raped her when she was sleeping?

Chrisbenogor:
Ok where do I start from, first of all I know the US would come up with something tricky to charge Assange with but my guess is its going to be so weak that they would sound like the Burmese goverment trying to charge a freedom of speech fighter and here is why.

The United States probably shot itself in the foot already by advocating freedom of information around the world, so fighting Assange now would really make them first class hypocrites, this guy is not with a gun or did not blow people up, he only published what certain people said and not necessarily united states policy, it is the thoughts of individuals and thats all it is, only a silly government would come up to cry foul because in truth they all have dirty secrets which is why no one has come out to condemn the US officals -so far. Now the only way they can charge Assange is under the espionage act which was enacted a little too early and just before the age on computers and the internet, no way those guys would have seen this coming, coupled with the First Amendment by the supreme court it makes the case really dicey and again here is why.

The prosecution also has to get around the fact that the cables reveal confidential information surrounding foreign policy and diplomacy, rather than military secrets. They would have to prove that the cables are a threat to national security- this a colossal burden of proof, which could mean disclosing more classified information to a jury in order to demonstrate the danger. Even if they were to manage all this there is the problem of getting Julian extradicted, most countries' extradition treaties do not cover crimes viewed as political and this certainly almost falls into that category.

Moving on to the after effects of what chasing Assange around the world could do which is make him some sort of internet God, if he enjoys the status bin laden does for the islamic entities then the world should be preparing for a cyber war which could cost billions of dollars, for instance a 16 year has been arrested in holland for being part of the group that brought down master card and visa "Anonymous" he will face charges as a minor but damage done would not be worth it. In my opinion leave the dude alone and resort to espionage to bring him down simple, the way they fight terrorism, just fight him like that and slowly bring his operations to a halt instead of making a martyr out of him.

Releasing the cables were reckless and irresponsible true, but the actions of some diplomats as revealed by the cable are nothing to write home about either. Plus the revelations about the Nigerian government is an advantage for a country like ours where these freedom is no where to be found.


My verdict - leave the dude alone, the only thing people can really do is be surprised for a while and we will surely move on.

wise and balanced post. well done boss

violent:
or what will happen?. . .search facebook for wikileaks, and you'd be amazed by the number of real people with real faces pledging support for Julian Assange.

Is it a surprise that he was nominated New York times "man of the year"?

abi o