₦airaland Forum

HigherEd:
Actually the first person to get a Job from my class after we graduated from school was the only third class graduate amongst us. The second guy who barely got a 2.2 now works in his father's company. Many of the 2.1s are still at home. I'm not trying to encourage mediocrity but the Nigerian labour market is more complex that y'all think.

Litmus:
My god.

You know, I couldn't understand why the usually compassionate Nigerians that I knew would respond on either side of this debate with such ugly comments until I came across this comment: "Attention seeker, which kain useless afonja disgrace be this self. If that guy is not released on bail in 24hrs, then his lawyer is poo. Am just vexed." It was then it occurred to me that one of the plaintiff was Yoruba and the other one Igbo (more or less).

So then people are taking sides informed by ethnicity? Well, well,well. I guess I was slow to cotton on because I just saw the issue in terms of
gender, rape, accusations and counter accusations (influenced by that whole Hollywood sex scandal)

Seems to me now that the only good thing that can come of this is if Nigerians see how tribalism poisons their objectivity. And also admit to themselves (the general Nigerians public I mean) that they are the cause of the state of politics in Nigeria, actually the cause of most failed developmental projects too. You people made your politicians the selfish, myopic failures that they are. You people don t want politicians with national outlook, you want them with localised tribal outlook. You consider worthless and not fit for purpose any that don't conform to this limitations you placed on them.

InfiniteLoopx:
I don't like it when fools and volunteered cheerleaders quote me. Please, keep off my mention

CoolextPhoenix:
I dnt exchange words with illiterates,,, go screw urself

Pigsandidiots:
Yes elede , we are making progress. This law is one of them and it sweet for our body. Next is the election. I love the progress. Also please, ban your women to stop following us

Pigsandidiots:
Open the port first and stop ranting. None of your so called cities you mention can compete with abeokuta, ibadan, ota. So open the port first. Thanks

PointB:
Honestly I don't know o. I speak yoruba even more than some native speaker. I know several of their proverbs, and know their culture. But bro, Lagos is No Man's Land!

Nuff said!

Pigsandidiots:
Sorry man, no amount of tears can change that. That is what we want and so shall it be. You all can continue wailing from now till jesus comes. We careless.

bounty007:
Yoruba ethnic group just shot themselves point blank with the law..

Don't understand why the complaint.. this a welcome development.

In the rush to grab Lagos in other to extend the development and open up other Southwest states..

The fired the first formal shot on tribalism, and other negative vices that will come to hunt them forever... Politically and otherwise.

Dicision hastily taken in other to spite igbo's.. just like the did to Jonathan.

But will enforcement of all this rules make Lagos Yoruba town? No.

Money create cities states and development not language or tribe ..

If it does .. Hitler's would have been alive and old.

The red Indies for be the only presidents in USA.

The great to Oyo empire for still the rock Africa by now..

Time has a funny way it position things...

So for those masturbating on Lagos law...

It gurrantee nothing..
When the time comes ... It matters less..

We investors care less ... But care much about our investment.
Money change government..not language

InfiniteLoopx:
You are such a wicked soul. You are no different from the violent extreamist up North. The irony of it all, is your so call claim of christianity. But wait'o, if you want to unleash violence on Igbos, I dare you to do it. In the long run, you'll be helping us achieve our set objective on time. I tripple dare you to unleash your madness on Igbos in your region. Go on man.

imhotep:
Please how does Yoruba language prevent Lagos from being no mans land

YungMillionaire:
Ditto! The reason I am pro Yoruba is becos am Kiri. Any true Kiri who knows their history will automatically be pro Yoruba. This Lagos is a no man's land matter will not end well for Ibos in Lagos. Mark my words. I saw the writing on the wall about a year ago. I am almost sure this is just the beginning - the Yorubas are reminding noisy visitors who the real owners are.

AkinPhysicist:
The ipobic argument on this thread boils down to this: Anambra and Imo can pass (they did years ago) similar state laws - why? Because both states belong to Igbos. But Lagos cannot do same - why? Because, according to them, Lagos does not belong to Yorubas.

And you think this calibre of piggysterian thinking will endear us to you? Think again.

deji17:
Inside Nigeria’s first pencil and toothpick factory

Victor Ekwealor January 10, 2018

In the second quarter of 2017, Akwa Ibom State governor, Udom Gabriel Emmanuel, commissioned the AKEES pencil and toothpick factory. It was going to be the first of its kind in Nigeria.

In response to the news, Nigerians noted via various mediums that contrary to claims, the factory was indeed not the first in Nigeria. Others said the factory itself was propaganda and did not exist. What was true and what was not?

During the Techpoint Innovation Tour, the Techpoint team visited the sleepy town of Ekom Iman in Etinan Local Government Area of Akwa Ibom State where the factory was reportedly situated.

Front view of the AKEES Pencil and Toothpick Factory in Uyo

We saw the factory in its entirety and even got some pleasant shockers.

Located in a 1,000 sqm warehouse styled house, the factory truly produces pencils and toothpicks.

Speaking on the initial skepticism, General Manager of the facility, Engineer Bassey Friday Moses says he was disappointed that even people from Akwa Ibom State and environs joined doubting Thomases.

Engr. Friday Bassey Moses, General Manger AKEES Pencil and Toothpick Factory

“At the time, they said the governor commissioned an empty hall and rented people for show. If anybody at any point felt this establishment was a scam, all they had to do was walk in and confirm for themselves instead of spreading rumours.”

On a tour of the expansive facility, Bassey pointed out that unlike similar projects in specific locales, the AKEES Pencil and Toothpick Factory was a true Nigerian project because of its tribal diversity in hiring workforce. Of its 62-man workforce, every region in Nigeria is duly represented to a great extent.

https://techpoint.ng/2018/01/10/akees-pencil-and-toothpick-factory/

CoolextPhoenix:
CoolextPhoenix the Retarded Yoruba idiot,, complete waste of sperm

eyinjuege:
Dont twist my words, drs can only work with what they are provided with in a hospital. They have to deal with no gloves, no antispetic also in the hospitals
The major thing that helped contain ebola then was because the public hospitals were on strike, otherwise more people would have been exposed to it.
When I talk of systems, it means a complete overhaul and not just at the doorsteps of medical directors. Its beyond them.
Lagos was trying to do it but it hasnt been successful, you start from the health centers, which presently lacks capacity, and needs to be strenghtened, befire you move to general hospitals, and then teaching hospitals. Emergency services are a special case on their own, and it starts from even phone calls which lagos was trying to do but I'm sure that hasn't been too good especially with ambulance services. Why should any hospital offering emergency services not have scanners in house? You might find out you need to do repeat scans on a patient same day, so do you keep sending him to mecure and the likes?
Medical diagnostic centers make no sense outside the hospital, especially not in an emergency so its not good enough for patients to be sent everytime outside the hospital when very ill as there are no ambulances or trained personell to follow them. The diagnostic centers mentioned need to book patients long before hand as they have many hospitals who refer to them. This may be alright in stable patients but certainly not in an emergency.
To believe changing the health system is at the door step of drs is a false information.
Hospitals have administrators, but a law has to be put in place and a structure put in place from the very top- Ministry of health. That requires a lot especially if they're just going to start. Even in places where they have an established working system, they put in billions. About £122 billion pounds was budgeted for the nhs in england for last year. This money isn't just for hospital services, but also for general public health initiatives etc.
The population of UK is just about a quarter of that of Nigeria. They are about 65million or less, yet £122 billion pounds is used to run their health services, 99% of that money is from taxes. The budget is about £2,200 pounds per individual (over 900,000 naira).
How much is the health budget again for Nigeria? About 1,700 naira per individual (equivalent of £5 pounds, or less)
Yet we want to compare things, and expect same service provision as the one abroad. (Its the same CT scans, maintainace, etc that's gonna be used o)
Without a strong political will and determination from the GOVT, the health services will remain in shambles. Drs have also just found themselves in a bad situation as everyone else in Nigeria, so its unfair to pass the bulk to them. A health system is more than just Drs, nurses, or even hospitals. Its beyond that
In Lagos state, the mantra is that health care is free for 65years above and childden, but that's not true. Malaria treatmejt is supposed to be free all over Nigeria, but that's also not true as the drugs are never available. The govt has made the announcement , but don't provide the necessaries for these hospitals. If the medical directors of gen hospitals decide to buy ct scanner (almost impossible because the money for it no be beans, how do they even recoup that money without increasing the 100 naira paid for card, and other monies paid in hospital?, yet they have to follow instructions from alausa about fees they charge). They dont have complete autonomy.

Insurance in Nigeria, if its to go the way of US, they will offer CT scanner and complete services but you have to pay higher premiums. As simple as that.
Healthcare is one of the most expensive ventures everywhere in the world except Nigeria, because we have chosen not to make it a priority. We pray and believe disease is not our portion.

Please, how many adults do white collar jobs compared to those that don't? Of a population of almost 200million?
How many small scale businesses are even registered? Of the registered ones, how many SMEs file taxes?
It would be interesting to know, as i don't have that data. I know all large corporations, govt establishments, some medium scale businesses pay their tax. But majority of Nigerians dont work in these large corporations, civil service. Do the others pay their tax?
It would be interesting to hear from business owners on NL. Even those working manual jobs ought to pay tax, but who keeps a record of these things? Some earn as much as 3-5K/day, and are paid cash. How is that traceable?
Just something for you to ponder on.

1). The patient who introduced it into Nigeria (i.e. Sawyer) sought treatment in a private hospital, and the late Dr. Stella Ameyo Adadevoh who treated him, was smart enough to recognise the symptoms. This led to led to the rapid diagnosis of Ebola. The determination of its physicians, prevented the patient from leaving the hospital at his request, probably saving the country from many more infections.

2). The health authorities were quick enough to quarantine all those who had been in contact with him, within Lagos, Port-harcourt and other places;

3). They reached out for help promptly to the WHO for help and expertise, while they mounted a huge public awareness campaign to curtail its spread;

4). The health authorities rapidly mobilised resources to mount a determined response, and managed to limit the number of cases to 19 with 10 deaths;

5). The “Emergency Operations Centre” (EOC) funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to support the response towards the elimination of polio in Nigeria, was then used to coordinate a central response to the Ebola outbreak. The deputy incident manager of the polio EOC was rapidly deployed to lead the Ebola EOC. The health authorities drew from its experience, in setting up strict command and control structures, to manage the response. http://nigeriahealthwatch.com/one-year-later-5-most-important-lessons-from-the-nigerian-ebola-response/

soonest:
I'm happy you have acknowledged some exceptions all by yourself, so it isn't ALMOST ALL. Market women even pay tax in Nigeria.

CoolextPhoenix:
Are u done talking,This is why your village witches will always be using ur destiny for toilet paper,,,slowpoke!!!

BloggersNG:
When it comes to dressing just leave it for him,, The Big Brother Naija Host channeled his inner Benin Royalty for the premiere of Black Panther, at the Film House.. And just incase You didn't know Ebuka issa Benin Man, Born and Brought up, His Edo name is Edorhor

News From Ebiwali--
https://www.ebiwalismoment.com/2018/02/ebuka-hits-internet-with-another-dress.html

Cc: lalasticlala

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mapet:
Young folks of nowadays will never get it. Isabella Ayuk attends a UN Youth Conference, besides stating the theme of the conference, nothing intellectually stimulating was reported, then the ridiculous regular line "Stuns".

Later when issues of politics, economy, management and leadership is on the front bunner and these "yoots" finds themselves in "strange lands" as always, you will be wondering whether some peoples intellect decides to stay perpetually in vacation...... later these same "yoots" will be complaining they have not been given shot at leadership

eyinjuege:
Thats why i said earlier that if the health SYSTEM is not strenghtened, nothing can be achieved.
Before someone reaches the stage of gasping for air abroad, something must have been brewing before hand. A man having a cardiac arrest will have an ambulance at his place abroad once you call emergency services with well trained personelle (not necessarily even drs, but proficient with their resuscitation skills), he would have been started on some treatment before even getting to the A/E where he will be triaged. He would have been on oxygen from the ambulance or even intubated before getting to hospital. Because in hospital, there may be several others with same case or even worse than him being attended to.
That's a system in place, to ensure lives are saved and delays are avoided.
Nigeria needs a strenghtening of her health systems, laws need to be put in place, a million other things need to be put in place.
Lagos, despite being the center of excellence doesnt have any CT scanners in any of her general hospitals. Even GH lagos that's a very big one with specialties doesn't have a CT scanner. Only lasuth, maybe LUTH has some epileptic ones. Most people go to Mecure, and other test centers to have it done.(things may have changed now o, maybe general hospitals have scanners now in lagos?)
Private hospitals with CT scanners are definitely way out of league for the average Nigerian because as stated earlier, good health care is expensive. And definitely, such private hospitals are better staffed than the govt hospitals, better working environment, and the staff are nicer for obvious reasons.y
Any CMD found guilty of embezzelling funds should be jailed. That is part of the corruption Nigerians don't want to fight. If however they didnt embezzle the money, and there's just no funds to buy and maintain these equipments, what magic can they also do?
It would be interesting if the health sector can be privatised, and health insurance made compulsory for everyone by law. Maybe things could improve then.

eyinjuege:
Complications will always occur in medicine. For every medical condition, there are complications. For every medical or surgical procedure, complications may arise. Some patients develop complications, some don't. It doesnt necessarily have anything to do with medical negligence.
If there are no adequate equipment, oxygen etc in a hospital, you can't blame the staff of such a hospital but the management/govt. The staff can't turn themselves to oxygen, nor conjure CT scanners into the hospitals.
If your wound got infected after a surgical procedure, its one of the major complications of surgery, that can even get worse to become life thrwatening if not taken care of on time. I have seen too many patients abroad with wound infections. That's part of the complications that may occur. That's nobody's fault unless the things they used on you were not sterilised.
The major problems Nigerian drs have in my opinion is that they don't explain well enough to their patients. E.g patients to go for surgery should be told about possible complications that may occur such as infection, bleeding and possible blood transfusion etc.
Abroad, they will let you understand and help you manage your expectations, before you start thinking some magic will happen.
They will let you know they won't rescuscitate you if you come in very poorly, especially if you're old. They will tell you thats a clinical decision as CPR- resuscitation is unlikely to be successful especially if you come in very ill. They are realists and they won't beat about the bush for you.
I know some Nigerian drs and nurses are rude, but I've also observed almost everybody is rude in Nigeria. These same people are your neighbors, fellow nairalanders who insult each other etc.
I really feel burdened about the state of the health systems in Nigeria but when i look at how to improve it, it appears too daunting and almost impossible. Real shame.

eyinjuege:
A dr is not a magician.
Medicine isn't magic.
Hospitals in places where things work have everything in place.
People don't buy blood in those places. Even in nigeria, you're not expected to buy blood.
Many people donate blòod selflessly in those same places abroad.
In an A/E room abroad, the least no of drs you can find is around 10. Thats just the A/E drs. Theres another ward called emergency assessment unit where people from a/e are moved to. They also have at least 5 drs at night, and more than 10 in the daytime. They all see same patients seen by a/e drs immediately they are transferred o them. In short, there's a system put in place for patients to be assessed and re-assessed, so as not to miss anything.
Now, regarding waiting times in a/e abroad, patients may wait as long as 4 hours in a/e. Yes, but you expect to be seen within 45mins in nigeria as though your own patient is more important than others in the A/E.
Now, that's where ambulance services such as paramedics come into place. There's a system abroad, where paramedics are already on a patient's case even before getting to the hospital. Infact, the hospitals are already expecting such patients and if they get into the a/e from the ambulance, they still have to wait for other ambulances that got to the hospital before them.
In nigeria, especially at night you see only 2 drs covering a/e and all the wards especially in general hospitals. Yet this same abroad have at least 10 drs covering their hospitals a/e and the wards. They still complain of being short-staffed by the way.
The rot in the health sector isn't caused by drs. If there's no proper health systems in place, everyone suffers. Thats the govts responsibility.
Why should a dr have to worry about no gloves in hospital?, or no gauze? Ridiculous.
Meanwhile, there are so many checks and balances put in place in the abroad we're talking about, in places like UK, Europe.
They have solid primary care centers where people dont have to go to hospitals but rather health centers to see their drs for every cough. Thats also by appointment and some dont get appointment for 2 weeks atimes.
Even patients for elective surgery may wait as long as 6 months or even a year for their surgery depenfing on the patient.
Drs in Nigeria are facing a lot of challenges and I hail them. Most times they depend on only their clinical acumen to make a diagnosis. Abroad, CT scans, MRIs , immunology test etc are carried out like pure water, and you get an instant confirmed diagnosis. There's no such luxury in Nigeria. How many hospitals have all these? Patients have to go to specific lab centers for such tests, and if they're too unwell to go, they dont get it
Each of those tests used to cost btw 40 -80K, abroad some patients have such tests like 3 or even more times before a diagnosis/conclusion is made. This makes it appear as though the drs abroad are magicians, not true.
Infact, they respect themselves. Many times these same drs put patients on end of life care if indicated meaning they wont treat such patients again and they just allow you pass on quietly and comfortably especially if you're old and you've had a massive stroke, cancer etc because they understand clearly they can't perform magic.
Those who loot govt funds should be stoned to death, but unfortunately we support them in nigeria. How then can you want to lay claims to good health care?

uzohrome:
Yes supported, youths has to take over if not the leaders we have now are all SCIENCE STUDENTS

ruggedised:
are they taking over on tweeter or on nairaland

cowards

eyinjuege:
Then why are you expecting miracles from the poorly funded health systems in Nigeria?
Despite the fact that the health services in Nigeria are relatively cheap, you still call their charges exorbitant.
Fear God, and even if you can't fear God fear yourself.
Those wonderful places you claim nobody's below the poverty line and things seem to be working, their govts didn't conjure up wealth from the sky.
Majority of their social welfare system is being paid by anyone who works or has a business. Indirectly, its being funded by the tax payers including the very rich and even those barely feeding provided they are working.
Tax is a way of life. However, almost everyone evades paying tax in nigeria, yet expect a social welfare program in place. A wait in futility for the poor i must say.
Even the money from the natural resources is an exclusive right of the politicians you all worship, who can do no wrong.

donb06:
who disallowed the girl from been a lawyer..... Just check the chief justices of Nigeria from 1999 till date and check the percentages Of Christians and Muslims.... Check facts before u spew out trash....

NOETHNICITY:
Yet southern Christians will not let a muslim lady put on a simple hijab

NwaAmaikpe:
Sadly,
The barrister is right.

The pain Buhari and his herdsmen brothers have caused to Southerners has left their hearts devoid of any iota of respect, appreciation or love for his kith and kin.

TheKingIsHere:
Buhari is Fulani not Hausa. Big difference.

Get educated

Minemrys:
buhari is fulani, dija is lebanese/hausa. How are they relatives? She's fr0m kaduna, buhari is fr0m katsina. How are they related? And why do u think she'd want to please a random stranger like you? And, what were u saying again? I got lost in the trash...

eyinjuege:
She alone was reaponsible for her living and dying. Their family had 9 months to prepare for the birth of the child. Even if no money for a CS, they had the option of going to a govt hospital, where the prices are cheaper. She chose not to, rather went somewhere else.
It was a conscious informed decision she made, because i believe for her dr to have recommended a CS, he must have told her why.
Unfortunately, she paid with her life. It was however her decision. Personally, i feel it was a stupid decision, but i definitely respect it. It was her life, her death.

Talking of exorbitance of charges for health services, Nigeria is one of the cheapest service providers worldwide.
A normal delivery in the US was about $3000 years ago, if you were paying cash down. And that was even cheap.
You cannot pay cheaply, and expect good service. Anything good comes with a price. Even in systems where healthcare is cheap abroad, someone is paying heavily- those who work and pay taxes.

SpaceAngel:
When I see such news I go nuts. Didn't the pastor see where it is written thou shall not put the Lord to test? God gave the doctors intelligence to heal people and should be used. I'm sure the pastor will use eyeglass if need be or take tablets too. The lady just committed suicide assisted by pastor

Ezekiel 47:12 | Bible Verse Concepts
"By the river on its bank, on one side and on the other, will grow all kinds of trees for food. Their leaves will not wither and their fruit will not fail They will bear every month because their water flows from the sanctuary, and their fruit will be for food and their leaves for healing."

arinzest:
Pity many do not understand the sad reality of our healthcare system.

As an obstetrician, I have seen women die or become horribly messed up due to religion. The pastor that quotes Hebrew women to you, what of his wife? Did the silly woman actually read this passage she was scammed out of her life with?

Women die in childbirth in this country a lot and religion contributes a lot. From the Muslim woman that will not permit vaginal examination during fasting to the Jehovah witness dying in hypovolemic shock but refusing blood. It's a pity.

For some asking for the doctor's license, you are wrong. No doctor can operate on a patient without consent. In developed countries, doctors approach courts to force the patient to have the procedure.

In 2008, a consultant got a judge to authorize blood transfusion to a baby of Jehovah witness parents in Gwagwalada. He got death threats