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OPCNAIRALAND:
Which one of the Belgores?

Yakubu Belgore. But the matter has been resolved. She eventually got her son Mohammed back, after everyone had intervened. I am really sorry, I should have come back in here, to update this thread. I just forgot. See what the stress of Lagos life does to the brain??

fratermathy:
Well said and you've spoken like a true detribalised intellectual.

If people like you were at the helms of the struggle, 90% of Southerners will not even hesitate concerning the struggle for independence from Nigeria.

This thread reached 50pages in 1 day before it started calming down. Urhobos and Igbos had fun here

Even those of us that are not Igbo or Urhobo observed the heated exchange from the sidelines!! Mathy001 a.k.a Mathy01 a.k.a Mathy003 spiced it up in no little measure!!

Kagawa10:
The dutch wax has little different to how Adire is made. The fact that we found something similar to our style and incorporated the style to make ours look modern doesn't negate the fact that we've been practising such style since time memorial! We gave the name Ankara to the cloth for crying out loud!

Dangote textile mill churning out Ankara is located in the SW, because we were the first to love it and incorporate the style!

Egbon, well you are right to a large extent, but like OPCNairaland stated, Ankara actually originated abroad.

OPCNAIRALAND:
Ok, let me give you the chronology.

Dutch manufactured it for Indonesia. It was not a success there. They brought it to West Africa, Ghana to be specific...it did not succeed. Yorubas put ankara to world stage via ASO EBI.

Adire itself is a different kind of fabric, (i.e. tie-and-dye) which originated in Yoruba land. It was manufactured locally, and is still being made in many communities in the South-West, even as we speak. In fact, in Abeokuta around the Itoku area where I did a project a few years ago, I discovered entire families spanning different generations involved in the art (e.g. mother, daughter, sisters, daughters-in-law, female grandchildren etc.)

Now due to the fashion-conscious attitude of Nigerian women, Adire too has been expanded to reach the world's fashion stage! Do you remember artistes like Nike Okundaye? She, along with a large number of local designers, popularised Adire in the West to the extent that it now has a cult following on the international runways! And that is what can be seen in your pictures.

As for Ankara, yes, the Yorubas popularised it and many textile mills in the South-West produced it to meet local demand, before those textile mills went out of business, due to the harsh operating environment. Now, Ankara is being manufactured in Chinese factories and imported into Nigeria, and it is still cheaper than the ones produced locally, even though their quality is not as good.

At what point did the manufacturing patterns of Ankara and Adire merge? Well, I really do not know. Maybe fashion designers can tell us. But what I do know, is that Ankara is well-loved in the South-West and other parts of the country, and it is unlikely to depart from our fashion lexicon, anytime soon.

OPCNAIRALAND:
Ok, let me give you the chronology.

Dutch manufactured it for Indonesia. It was not a success there. They brought it to West Africa, Ghana to be specific...it did not succeed. Yorubas put ankara to world stage via ASO EBI.

Back when owambe was owambe, in the 70s, Im looking at my grandma picture on the wall in her velvet and gold jewelries and grandpa in his damask as i type. . Back when party happened every weekend in Palmgrove, Isale Eko, Epetedo, Lafiaji, Ilubirin, Surulere, Shitta, Eko Club, Shell Club, Lagos Island Club, Lagos Tennis Club, Mushin, Yaba, Ebute Meta, ..... back when Shagamu, Ijebu Ode, Ayetoro, ....

Mr Man, una don spoil Yorubaland for us!

Back when my people go party and block five roads just for one party, and you have three or four live bands there entertaining...which kind food you want, which kind drinks, campari sef na free pick which bottle you want.

Back then...Yoruba's choice of fabric for aso ebi is Sanyan, Etu and Alaari, Damask, Velvet, Lace, Satin, Guinea. Nobody dey wear ankara go party. Who wear lace pass Yoruba? We get am for different color and pattern and each has its own name. Yorubaland don baje nau, e no dey like before. How about damask, we get different pattern and shades. So for velvet. You go see velvet for soyoyo body your blood go hot as you go see say the baby set well well.

We dey wear ankara for Yorubaland before civil war sef...but like I said go look at Yoruba picture in the 60s and see if you spot anybody put ankara for body take snap picture. Ankara na play cloth, na something mommy go wear because she dey kitchen and no wan soil her good clothes. Shey u get?

When textile importation tight and economy don baje it became hard to get damask and lace and other expensive stuffs. I no even mention gele sef. That one is a whole book on its own. But as importation and economy and crime spoilt everything, buying expensive and wearing expensive to party lost its taste. Yoruba will never stop owambe...never never never never, and aso ebi will never ever ever stop either...but we reinvented the scene.

Its true we did not invent it but each ethnic group can be differentiated in the motif and pattern of ankara worn by them. If you look around today what you see are the Yoruba patterns. We reinvented ankara and made it the preferred stock of aso ebi.

Yorubas have also been very stylish. We put styles in ankara that no one ever thought of ....we turned it from street hawkers wear and took into the corporate rooms.

We put ankara on the catwalk...you hear me? Ankara is what it is today because of Yoruba cultural influence. Even Hausa that does not wear ankara have bought into it and are wearing it now. Ibo has taken it to another level by turning it into a billboard.

I hope I answered your question.

Wow! Great analysis. Thanks for the history lesson, sir! More respect. I grew up in Lagos and I can certainly remember the Owambe parties thrown by our neighbours and family friends, as well as the blocking of streets & live bands.

Do you remember the spraying of naira notes on celebrants, dancing in front of the bandstand??

AjiereTuwo:
Is obiano soliciting for yoruba votes in anambra?

Guy, thanks for those pictures. You just hit the nail on the head. You can see that the Igbo bride there is wearing the Edo/Bini head dress called the Okuku. Even the man beside her holding the fan (who I assume is the bridegroom) is wearing a 'danshiki', which is not even an Igbo attire!

Like I keep asking, someone should show me the authentic Igbo bridal attire. What exactly does it look like??

Kagawa10:
Lmao! Akara isn't an Ibo word!
As a matter of fact, we gave it that name because it's Yoruba who wore it, cos it's similar to our adire and now, we've modified/tailored our Adire to the style. Go to Ibadan and you would see several kind of Ankara made in the place!
Adire/Ankara is Yoruba's, not Ibos!

Egbon, I agree that the Yoruba have adopted and popularised the Ankara, to the extent that they can now lay some claim of 'ownership' to it. Even when the textile mills in Lagos, Ibadan etc., were running, many of them were producing & churning out Ankara fabric by the dozen. Till today, Dangote's Textile Mills located in the South West still produces local Ankara fabric.

But in truth, Ankara or Dutch wax originated from Indonesia, even though it never gained ground over there. Do you remember the 'Hollandis Dutch wax that was so popular at one time? It was imported and was never produced here, even though its greatest buyers were here.

ibrolamin:
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ هُمُ السَّحَرَةُ وَالسِّحرُ
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ فِي الدُّنيا وَالآخِرَة
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ هُمُ الظٓالِمِينٓ
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ هُمُ ﺍﻟﻜٓﺎﺫِبِينٓ
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي هُمُ الحِزْبُ الشٓيْطٓنِ الرّٓجِيْمُ
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ هُمُ المُجْرِمِينٓ
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ هُمُ حَاسِدٍ
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ هُمُ الجٓهِلِينٓ
لَعنَةُ اللَّه عٓلٓى القٓومُ الفُلٓنِي وٓ قٓومُ الْجِنِّ هُمُ الخاسِرونَ

(اَللّٰهُمَّ أٓمِينْ)

Guy, this is not the Religion section. This is the Politics section, and last time we checked - English language was still the lingua franca of Nigeria. Please move your post to the section on Religion.

OPCNAIRALAND:
Pre or post Yoruba influence on Ibo bridal outing?

Ba-aa-ad guy!! Please post pictures from both eras i.e. pre-Yoruba influence & post-Yoruba influence. Thanks.

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Does it use cooking gas or electricity?

behavewell:
Pls.the speling of igbo is IGBO.the correct spelling is not ibo.stop that eror......IGBO BU IGBO.

_(yawn) How does that concern the rest of us that are not Igbo?

ganye1:
I am not saying she looks uglier. What I am saying is that the technology and the art of make up at that time didn’t do her justice.

ok.

OPCNAIRALAND:
Igbo traditional culture na wrapper for men and red winter knit hat with tail drooped over the shoulder.

The aso ebi these people wear in OP picture are styled after YORUBA cultural wear.

Even the ankara prints is foreign to Ibo culture.

See picture of traditional Ibo prints and style here and compare with Yoruba prints and style. Pictures dont lie.

Thank you. now please post the pictures of Igbo bridal attire and let us see the difference. We can compare & contrast it with those of other tribes.

ganye1:
Today's cameras and make up artists do perform a lot of wonders.

So what are you saying? Are you implying that she looks uglier?? Don't you think that because her husband has taken good care of her, she is now more relaxed and in a better frame of mind, which has added some beauty to her features?

giftadene:
You obviously skipped your pills!..

No...you are the one that failed to take his own pills. Have you forgotten that the doctor prescribed that you should take a daily dose of truth, in order to flush out the lies from your system??

Greenback:
i am pretty sure you can see what it means to be a big hypocrite,who eats his own words thats come back attacking him. Shm
u are simply a show..

Nah, the real hypocrite here is just you...hypocrisy runs through your veins, flows from your pores and swirls round your feet. Don't tell me you can't see it??

TimeManager:
Breaking News; I have been banned until 2026!. This is absolutely ridiculous in every sense of the word.
Kiss the truth!

What was your name on NL, in your former life?

FIRS needs to overhaul its entire mode of tax collection, starting with its' website.

The information on their portal is old, outdated and many of the links simply do not work! Yet they collect billions as tax, and in this digital age where information technology allows people to get info at the touch of a button, FIRS is poorly deficient in making accurate info available, online.

Why can't I check the status of my tax payments online?

Why can't I look up the TIN number of any company I am doing business with online, in order to verify if it is genuine or not?

Why can't SMEs pay their tax online?

Why can't I get the address of all FIRS Tax offices & their locations online, so I can know where to head to, in order to pay my taxes?

These chaps are just not handling the whole tax collection thing properly. Instead, they draw up bogus estimates and intimidate hard-working SME owners with false claims and bogus figures, as tax liabilities.

Paulpaulpaul:
The only Yoruba governor in Kwara state from inception was Governor Lawal, 1999 elected governor. No Yoruba governor in Kwara since then.

The only Yoruba people in Ilorin town now are at Idi-ape

Bros, you can lie, sha. Cornelius Adebayo was... what?

SaffronSpice:
David Bamigboye,Cornelius Adeboye,Salaudeen Latinwo are what?Tell me.

Is you assumption based on the fact that -as you said - they tried to crown an Oba or you are privy to a census we are not aware of?

Tell him, o! Salaudeen Adebola Latinwo is even from Offa, not Ilorin and he was military governor of Kwara from 1984 - 1985 under Buhari's administration then. At that time, Tunde Idiagbon also from Kwara, was the no. 2 man in Buhari's govt.

Adiola:
Afonja means slippery creatures who's ancestor was kicked out from heaven and lying is their trade mark in fact if you want to know just type afonja and a Yoruba man on nairaland ll think you are abusing him ,(guilty conscience)

Wey my mat, my zobo and my popcorn? I go collect gate tickets from this side. The show is about to start. I am waiting for those Yoruba chaps from the SW to respond in kind. I know that one of them will come in here to define Osu.

Gate fee is =N=200 naira each! Hehehe.....

ammyluv2002:
20 years is awesome! I wish them God's love

Btw, which one be After wedding photos again? I don even do pass oyibos wey start the thing

The woman is even looking finer now, than she did 20 years ago!

giftadene:
Facebook user Charles Okafor unleashed his anger on his Facebook timeline on the Governor of Katsina Masari's insensitivity over Erisco Foods LTD withdrawal from building a tomato factory In Danja local government area of the state.

According to Erisco the atmosphere is no more suitable to build a factory in Katsina but rather the company will be relocating to oversee to carry on with their businesses.

Below is what Charles wrote

"Charles C. Okafor
A Precursor to the wailing wailer series (Erisco Foods as preliminary)

Last month or thereabouts, Erisco Foods Limited shut down its plant in Katsina thus ending a very ambitious, patriotic and productive initiative to convert raw tomatoes to tinned tomato paste. The Nnewi chief and owner, Eric Umeofia cited obnoxious business environment which includes non-access to FOREX to enable the management import key machineries and sundry technologies that could enable the conversion...on of raw tomatoes to canned paste as the reason. As it stands and subject to ceteris paribus, the man may have relocated to China as he said. Curiously, both the state and federal government have not said anything as one would expect of a dynamic and knowledge-based government? One would expect that the same government that preaches agriculture as the only way to denude the stifling-hold of oil crude in the chains of national revenue should feel disturbed when a factory closes shop for want of enabling environment. I do not understand why the government prefers silence in the face of apparent travail of a daring entrepreneur who wanted to contribute to employment generation, food sufficiency and a bloated tax base to the government. I like blaming the All Progressives Congress (APC) and Buhari because we brought them to effect the needed change that should transform our lives. To run a country in a 21st century is no longer a jamboree. It is a serious business. It is a war of brain, brawn, beauty and unalloyed patriotism. It is not unbridled show of hedonism and pettiness exhibited by way of vindictive politicking. Unfortunately, we now see pretense and selective remembrance elevated to a vexatious level in the ongoing Nigeria democratic experience. The implication of the Erisco travails is that many a foreign investor will never come to Nigeria. They will equally dissuade friends and business partners from coming. Erisco foods are willy-nilly, a mirror of our business environment as a country. A country which lacks understanding that national prosperity is a function of clear-headed planning and sensitive execution of thought through plans will remain a hungry bystander in a community of serious minded nations of the world. Your business environment is the political, social, legal, geographical, security, infrastructural, financial, educational, and healthcare and what have you. When you have those functioning in a country as it does in China, Singapore, Malaysia etcetera, Nigeria will become without much ado, the investment destination of preference. All these globe-trotting our leaders do in the name of seeking out foreign investors to my mind, is mere pretense if not a money laundering tactics best known to them and to the best of their knowledge. I might sound alarmist but what other inference could suffice in a situation where one clearly abandoned the road for the bush and still hope to enjoy a smooth ride on his bicycle."

Source: http://www.giftadenenews.com/2016/11/facebook-user-blames-gov-masaris.html

Why do you people like propaganda, half-truths, fallacy and downright deceit??

There is nothing in this article that blames Masari for the company's failure to continue its business investment in Danja district of Katsina. Rather, the owner of the company has identified "non-access to FOREX to enable the management import key machineries and sundry technologies," as the source of their company's woes.

Does Masari issue forex to manufacturing companies? Is that is his responsibility??

Why must you people paint a false picture of everything? Anyway, I don't blame you. I blame the person that borrowed you a keyboard and dashed you MB, to spew gibberish on the internet.

GossipHeart:
I wish Nigeria would be colonized again

Our so called old head leaders are running this country to the ground

Obasanjo sold Phcn and Coca cola

Obasanjo handed over a very oil rich Bakassi peninsula to the Cameroonian government for free

Sometimes, i don't care if Nigerians are suffering or going into recession, why would a young man who suppose to be the future of this amazing country vote for an old man who is still stuck in the 1920's

Buhari wants to sell 224 oil firms to white men (our only source of income) they want us to be slaves in our own land while their kids are in USA and UK swallowing our money

I wish Nigeria would be colonized again so we can be sensible enough to allow our young youths to start running the affairs of this country instead of having a 90 year old man who still lives in the past to run this amazing golden country

How did Obasanjo sell Coca-Cola?? What on earth are you talking about??!

obasy09:
How do we end up with people like this in our country? Just how? I can't really fathom. Obasanjo sold Coca-Cola? They want to sell 224 oil firms? Is the information in the article or a figment of your imagination? Only God knows the number of ignorant people that you would have convinced that the misinformation that you are giving is true.

I no know say you sef see am!! OBJ sold Coca-cola, ke? Like how??

younglawya:
Every day I wake up and come on this forum and I discover one new estate or the other in Ibeju lekki The thing subscribers need to know is that a lot of that area is under legal tussle in courts or under government acquisition. Some days ago I was briefed by a client to do some investigation. I arranged for a surveyor to go there. He charted the location and it came up boldly. UNDER GOVERNMENT ACQUISITION. Sad thing is that the client has already paid. The developer refused to return money. In the past also I did some investigation for a man who bought land meant for dredging. See wahala . Barr Mark can be reached on 07037836881 for enquiries

So how can you know the genuine estates from the fake ones? Some of them even include an excision number in their brochures. Can this be checked online, to see if it is legit?

ojay2053:
It's four flats bungalow . A room and parlour apartment, it's fenced, with bore-hole. It was recently renovated. The Estate is developing rapidly. Call 08033474734 if you are interested.

What is the annual rent please, per flat?

PenSniper:
That is delusional. It has nothing to do with dynamism.
When you have no defined culture germaine to your society, the tendency is for you to copy the cultures of others.

Yorubas and Hausas have no reason to parrot your "culture" since they already know its partly copied from them and they are proud of their rich cultures anyway.

Don't mind that guy. Some of them will say anything to make themselves feel good. In the past few years, I have even seen many Igbo brides copying the Edo mode of dressing, or wearing the complete Edo bridal outfit during their traditional marriages in the East, such as the beaded crown called Okuku, beaded anklets, waist beads, and bracelets around the wrist called the Ivie-ebo, earrings called Emi-ehorivie, a cape called Ewu-ivie made entirely of beads, and beaded clutch or Ekpa-ivie.

They copy many aspects of their dressing from others. So, what exactly does full traditional Igbo bridal wear look like? Nobody has been able to answer that question.

mathy001:
Says who??
Na una wan trap us?
Dont we have right to self determination like Igbos do?
If every LG wants to be a country, who are you to stop their agitation?

What kind of oppression is this? Okwaya!

When the time comes, we will get our own nations or merge with friendly groups.

Some countries, such as Lesotho, Swaziland, Caribbean countries, etc and even nearby Sao Tome, are much more smaller in size and population than Itsekiriland and Itsekiri people yet they are thriving as countries.

So dont give me that sh*t of merging when we have our choices to make. Nor be by force to join any group.

How did I miss this post?? Your analysis is correct, jare! Collect one chilled bottle from Mama Tega's shop down the road as a reward. Amah70, this is the crux of the whole matter.

FortunateOsahon:
He is also iceberg3. That guy run hundreds of handles same time, he even log on to like 5 at once to like and support his own comments. Just go through the thread below, I have been watching that guy for long. He is only on any Ipob thread to drag ND to biafra. Even one Edo lady here exposed him and he ran away, will look for that thread as well.

https://www.nairaland.com/3469628/otokoto-vincent-duru-dies-hanging/2#51114811

No wonder!! This explains a lot, man! Thanks again for the info. I have met several Edo people both offline and online, and none of them has ever expressed a desire for their ethnic group to join Biafra, because of what their forebears went through, when the old Mid-West was overrun by the invading Biafran forces during the civil war. So maybe a few exist that want such an alliance, I do not know, as I have not met any of them.

Which was why I was very surprised when he said "we Edos, want to join Biafra." After I asked him a few questions, he never came back to confirm his story. Hehehehe.....

kitombo:
This is good news but the miraculous healing could be as a result of wrong diagnosis which is not uncommon in Nigeria.

Some years back while driving on the highway, all the objects I was seeing became double which obviously affected my driving. Same day, I visited the Ophthalmology unit of LUTH and was the consultant said I needed to do a Phytollactic cryotherapy which also involved some surgery. According to the consultant the only hospital equipped with the facility at that time was UCH Ibadan. I was very sceptical about having the surgery and treatment in Nigeria since my eyes were involved so I proceeded to an eye hospital at Braunschweig, Germany armed with the medical report from LUTH. After series of tests, the German doctors concluded that the surgery and treatment were not needed. I was given some drugs and everything normalised within 2 days

Thank God you had the wisdom, foresight and funding to seek a 2nd opinion abroad. Can you imagine what would have happened if you had taken the 1st doctor's advice and gone for surgery?

I have always said it before, that wrong diagnosis, lack of care (especially in emergency cases) and downright negligence on the part of medical personnel, have sent more people to their graves in Nigeria, than the actual disease itself.