₦airaland Forum

A lot of women waste their time in relationships that are heading nowhere, because they are in love with a fairytale picture called love, and are not taking time out to study the person they are involved with. It isn't the length of time you spend in a relationship that is the issue, but how much of your partner that you have gotten to know, in that long or short time you have been together, that matters.

As a woman, you need to ask: How does my guy view & handle money? Does he see it as a means to an end, or an end in itself? Is he ready to do anything to get it or can he walk away from it, if he feels tha stakes are too high?

What are his values & virtues? His likes & dislikes? How does he handle anger? What motivates him, turns him off etc.? Can you guarantee that if he hits serious money tomorrow, he won't turn his back on you, and run after that  fine, little 'Sisi' in a miniskirt? How does he get along with my family? What kind of respect does he have for me? Does he value my opinions and my actions? For goodness sake, ASK questions about anything you need to know!!

As a man, you also need to ask: What are the things that my girl holds dear? What values does she have? What are the things that can lead her into a screaming fit and what are the things that give her the greatest pleasure? How does she treat those that are close to her?

How reliable, hardworking, spiritual, prayerful and caring, is she? What is the most important thing in her life? "Who" and "what" are the things she values most? How does she handle conflict?

What is her breaking point etc.? Can you honestly love her the way she is, care for her, inspire her to be the best she can be, and guarantee that when the chips are down and all else fails, she will be by your side?

The issue is not wether you court for 1 year or 4 years. The issue is 'have you learnt enough about your prospective partner to be comfortable enough, in marrying him or her?' 

At every stage, do a quick emotional check to make sure both of you are on the same page in that relationship. Ensure that you are not thinking "our relationship is going to end with a happily-ever-after," while your partner is thinking "how-do-I-get-out of-this-thing-without-making-a-scene?" 

Naturalle:
Please, did he tell you his relationship with this girl?(She could be a close mutual friend who had nowhere to stay)
Did he tell the girl you are his chic?
Even if he banned u from going to his place, dear, u should have gone to confirm the sleeping arrangements!
Stubborness isnt good but it is necessary in some cases.

In Conclusion, I think you should sit down and talk to him (not to abuse him or anything, just ask him questions, your objective is to guage his reaction to your questions not to weep n tell him how hurt you are). It is only after this talk that u can decide to stay or leave, but don't drag the issue, please address him immediately if u havent done so already.

One more thing, if he's actually runsing things, there are wonderful guys out there. Drop him like a hot potato!

A close mutual friend that he never bothered to tell his girlfriend about & didn't introduce to her, until he had already made her his house guest?? Jeez!!  

Did he inform his babe before the other girl landed, that a female friend would be coming for a visit? 

Did he make it categorically clear to the visiting chic, that he was in love with his girlfriend?

Did he act all 'romantic' with his girlfriend in front of the visitor (e.g affectionate touches, hugs, pecks etc)?

Why didn't he suggest to his girlfriend that the visitor should stay with her, since she was a fellow woman and he was a man, and he didn't want anybody to get any funny ideas?

Abeg, make di girl forget the guy, o jare! Is it when he takes the other chic to the altar, that she would know for sure he has been playing her?

olawunmi05:
My husband is from Akwa Ibom, I can only speak these few words:

'mesere o o'
'abadie - idioko'
'sosong etietie' (thank you very much)

Beside a family friend use to call me 'eka Eno' (hope the spelling is right, i.e. mummy Eno) . I'm still trying to learn the language, though it's not easy.

You are doing well, keep it up! Make an effort to learn more words, and you will see your vocabulary grow! Good work!

Jiro,

Try the waterside in Port-harcourt. Talk to those women who sell fish in the markets, as a lot of them have relatives or friends that are fishermen, who supply them with fish to sell, on a daily basis. But let me warn you, it isn't likely to come cheap o!

[quote author=willy*2 link=topic=89470.msg1632839#msg1632839 date=1193756676]Yes, your right they are the most Educated Chameleons in Nigeria, they are well Educated in back stabbing.[/quote]Hehehe. . . . .make I perch for this corner, dey siddon look! Am waiting for the Yoruba folks to give you a good response to this comment. Wey my groundnuts and popcorn, sef?? This promises to be ver-rr-ry interesting. Am just curious though. How many of them have stabbed you in the back or have acted as chameleons, under your own very nose?

chika98:
Yes they are but what have they got to show for it? if not for Awolowo that is

Don't worry, am sure they will be here soon to answer your question!

angel101:
Edo state next please.

monkeyleg:
angel, I will fight you on this one. Delta state has to be next. there was no semblance of election there, that is after they had disqualified all the other candidates

I beg, make una no kill person with laughter for here!!

almondjoy:
Interesting---how come none of this was ever mentioned in the Igbo-made Jeep thread? No words of encouragement for the "inventor"? What a triple standard grand-standing as usual!

I no know say you yourself see am! I no wan talk before. . . .I say make I siddon look, dey watch as di tory go take end.

There are a lot of innovative Nigerians that have made some very interesting stuff ranging from low-tech inventions to hi-tech ones. I believe this young Northern guy should be encouraged. i read some stuff about him on another site, and people were interested in seeing how his knowledge in electrodynamics and mechanics could be applied to other areas, that would improve the lot of many Nigerians. Honestly, I doff my hat for di guy. Abeg, di bobo try, no be small. How many of us can manufacture ordinary toothpick, sef? Yet, some folks are pouring scorn on the guy's efforts. What a pity.

While they are so busy doing what they know best (i.e. ridiculing other people's inventions), their mates are busy garnering acclaim from various sources, for their inventions and making some money too. See this:

http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/articles/1503/2/Leadership-Decision-Making-The-North-The-Military-And-Development-In-Nigeria-A-System-Analysis-Part-1/Page2.html

What do you make of Bamidele Oyekanmi's (Ph.D) invention of automobitive part, for which the Nigerian currently with Ford Motors Company, with a view of possibly manufacturing the particular automotive part in Nigeria, thereby offering employment opportunities to Nigerians in Nigeria. What about Olukayode Oluwole, a Nigerian mechanical engineer based in the United States, who made a keyboard capable of typing tonal marks and ascents of over 400 Nigerian languages.

Brino Gilbert, another Nigerian won two medals and a trophy at the May 2003 Invention and New Product Exposition (INPEX) in the US. Gilbert also has to his collection a bronze medal in the aerospace/aeronautics category and a manufacturing silver medal. Gilbert met solitude in America after 10 years of plying through the wilderness, soliciting for assistance. Ezekiel Izogu is credited to have designed Nigeria's first car, Z-600.

And what do you make of 12 years old, JSS 3 Nigerian boy, Nyemahame Allwell Worgu, who is acclaimed to be the youngest person in the world in mastering the Sun's Java program?

http://news.biafranigeriaworld.com/archive/2003/may/24/0018.html

A lot of people have forgotten that Awojobi invented so many things. "Autonov" is still at the University of Lagos. It is now a relic. "That Autonov is the vehicle that has the capability of driving in both directions. And when we asked him why he did it, he said in war situations sometimes you don't have the opportunity to reverse your car. But while we in Nigeria have abandoned the invention, Americans and Russians have taken it over and have produced so many variants.

http://www.bioline.org.br/request?am07023

In developing countries, improvisation has made surgical practice possible in many hospitals including the teaching hospitals.  Awojobi in Oyo State, Nigeria use the gear system of a car to improvise for operation table and he also used the rear wheel of a bicycle to fabricate a heamatocrit centrifuge. One of the ways of making endourological procedures available and cheaper, is by locally fabricating some or all the components. .

http://www.eatset.com/armydr.htm

Army Doctor Gets Silicon Valley Award

Colonel Oviemo Ovadje, Nigeria Army doctor and inventor of the EAT-SET blood transfusion device has been nominated for the J.P. Morgan Chase Health Award at the Tech Museum Awards, Technology Benefiting Humanity. The awards ceremony is slated for November 7, 2002 in California, USA.

Col. Ovadje is one of the 25 scientists/innovators chosen from 460 nominations from 56 countries to be recognised and honoured at a black tie Awards Gala by Silicon Valley leaders and United Nations delegates.

http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub138.htm

A NIGERIAN inventor, Brino Gilbert, has won two medals and a trophy at the May 2003 edition of the Invention and New Product Exposition (INPEX) in the United States. He won a bronze medal in the Aerospace/Aeronautics category and a silver medal in the manufacturing category.
Gilbert's invention, dubbed Counter Collision Gadget (CCG), also won a trophy for being the best invention from Africa in the continental category

p://www.voice-online.co.uk/content.php?show=8909&type=7

Simi Belo used graphic design software to create a prototype for a revolutionary, natural-looking, new wig known as ‘NewHair’ that incorporates a woman’s own hair for incredible realism.
Encouraged by highly positive responses, she approached manufacturers in the Far East and prototypes were developed. “I then meet with Chinese suppliers. Nothing beats face-to-face talks, as we successfully negotiated considerably better unit costs and delivery times.” Since then, the company and its range of wigs has steadily grown and NewHair was recently hailed by Black Beauty & Hair Magazine as “the most innovative hair product to come out in years.” .

http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/?p=1479

http://blog.ted.com/2007/06/tedglobal_2007_16.php
From Dr. Seyi Oyesola, a different question: Where are the well-trained African doctors? Answer: Overseas. Where they're better paid, better treated and enjoy modern hospital settings. In contrast, most hospitals on the continent lack vital equipment, and woefully fail to uphold sanitary standards. So "where do generally healthy Africans go if they need to be treated for things besides malaria, TB or HIV?" Oyeseola asks.
Distressed by the conditions in a Nigeria hospital where he came to perform a dozen open-heart surgeries (equipment was held together by duct tape; floors were dirty; X-rays were taped to windows for lack of a light table), Oyesola resolved to find a portable solution for bringing modern medicine with him. He co-developed the "Hospital in a Box" -- a pop-up, portable, plug-and-play system for off-grid medicine. Its environment-tolerant anesthesia makes surgery possible even in deeply inhospitable regions (or deeply ill-equipped regional hospitals).
His portable invention aside, the charismatic Oyesola stressed the importance of developing a strong non-emergency health care system throughout Africa. Emphasizing its economic significance, he quoted TEDster Hans Rosling: "You get wealthy faster if you're healthy first." (Watch Rosling's TEDTalk on TED.com)

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,183961-4,00.html

A New Way to Keep Food Cool
In rural northern Nigeria, there are no refrigerators. Most people don't even have electricity. So perishable food must be eaten immediately, or it will go to waste. Muhammad Bah Abba, a local teacher, has developed an ingenious solution: the Pot-in-Pot Preservation Cooling System. A small earthenware pot is placed inside a larger one, and the space between the two is filled with moist sand. The inner pot is filled with fruit, vegetables or soft drinks; a wet cloth covers the whole thing. As water in the sand evaporates through the surface of the outer pot, it carries heat, drawing it away from the inner core. Eggplants stay fresh for 27 days, instead of the usual three. Tomatoes and peppers last for up to three weeks. A recipient of the Rolex Award for Enterprise, Abba, 37, who hails from a family of potmakers, is using his $75,000 award to make the invention available throughout Nigeria. He has already sold 12,000.

Hmmn. . . . .interesting perspective! Shugalump, do you want the honest truth? Dat guy doesn't love you. . .ehm, lemme re-phrase that. He loves himself more than he loves you. Ignore the fact that he has told his friends that he loves you. He may have been saying it in jest, or just to save face.

A man who truly loves a woman will always want to hang around her, and keep her close to him. Love is a noun, but it is also an active verb. If he isn't showing it, girl. . .it means he ain't feeling it!

May the good Lord give you the grace to move on with your life! Believe it or not, there is someone out there, who will value you, love ou & tell you all about it, if only you care to detach yourself from a relationship that is going nowhere. the original poster was right. The silent treatment is all about wielding power, inflicting pain & showing who is boss. A man who truly loves you will not subject you to that!

almondjoy:

Islander:
Look at some people, Pot calling Kettle bottom black, Hmmmmmm Indeed a travesty of justice,

Take the damn beam out of your eye before you attempt to do so to another,

As long as I am rubbed the wrong way, I shall rub back in return. Until such time, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, Cheers!!

Ain't that the truth!  Unfortunately the most guilty are the loudest here!--You know yourselves.  When you are attacked for expressing yourselves, others think they have found their missing doormats. Forgeting that in this faceless and nameless world of Nairaland, we still have feelings.  I agree with you.  If you spit on ma face-- I certainly will puke on yours.  


One thing I cannot stand here is intimidation. Don't put up with it in any shape or form. Unfortunately people who have never learned to respect other peoples' views can never do so even when they are about to take a death nap!

Thank you, o jare! Na true word una talk . I actually tried the 'turn-the-other-cheek' attitude initially, (when I first joined this website), but later realised that some folks saw it as an excuse to launch more rude missiles in my direction, because they misinterpreted such silence for weakness. Later on, I tried the 'let's-appeal-to-their-reason' approach. Did it work? Whosai??!

I have since discovered that the only language such people understand, is the 'tit-for-tat' response. Since then, I have learnt to respond in kind to anyone who uses vile language on me, when it is unprovoked. Abi, na who be mumu??

Now, what was the name of the person who called me a 'numbskull' earlier on, in another thread??

BlkRaven:
And the insults have started again!!

Hehehe. . . . .I knew it was only a matter of time before someone threw a spanner in the works!

Almondjoy,

Me I don perch for one corner. I know say another 'rofo-rofo' go soon start. Abeg, wey my pepper soup, isi ewu and malt? Ehen, make I siddon look dey watch drama.

Na all di people wey still dey inside diapers & nappy, when Zik and Awo don become big political figures, na them come dey assess performance and dispense blames, about things wey happen before any of them begin waka for ground. And you go see say all their assesssment na "them say, them say" rumour. Make God save all of us.

Na wa o!

Hehehe. . . . .almondjoy, gimme a hi-five jare! You are da bomb!

Love44:
Laudate, i don't care whether men from other parts of Nigeria admire Efik or ibibio women. I think that we are at fault because if we were not really going out with people from other ethnic groups in Nigeria we won't have all this stupid steoreotypes.

Stereotypes would still exist, even if people decide to stop dating outside their own ethnic group, today.

Stereotypes are formed & perpetuated by lazy minds devoid of intelligence, and folks who are too lazy or backward to search for the truth. So they would rather hang on to a label or a sick epithet, as a means of defining an entire group. If you do a simple survey, you would find out that those who peddle such negative stereotypes about other groups, have people who share those same negative traits in their own backyard, or within their own ethnic group.

Like I keep saying, the good, the bad & the ugly exist in every single tribe, district, region, street and ethnic group. There are no holy saints, anywhere.

Just be true to yourself and keep doing what you can, to be the best of every good thing, that you can be!

Love44:
Darfur, he stupidly said that Ibibio women sleep with hundred men for being good in bed and that we love sex too much.

Love44, abeg no vex jare. I think Toshman was only joking. A lot of men secretly admire Efik & Ibibio women, and long for them. . . .but many of them don't have what it takes to keep them.

Efik & Ibibio women are cool!!

Uche2nna:
You know this is a really tough situation to dissect. Islam as some posts have justifiably pointed out was spread by the sword and it seems that trend has followed it till date. However, the situation in the north is kind of of different. The northern elite most of the times use this as a ploy anytime they deem fit. These guys don't care about Islam and its teachings, they only see that as tool to perpetrate watever agenda they have in mind.

Laudate, You asking for a solution. It is going to be hard to come by because this habit has eaten very deep. But I know one thing, and You can ask that of any person who had or is living in the north, if the issue of almajiris in the north is not addressed then the north will know no peace in terms of religious crisis. These almajiris (and they make up a sizeable number of the populace) serve as canon fodder for the elites of the north.

Oh thank you! But if we all don't brainstorm and try to analyse the various causes objectively & thoroughly, how can we even get[i] ideas[/i] to resolve the situation? I have always believed that the problem of the north has been poverty, ignorance and lack of resources among other things.

The elite use these things as[i] tools,[/i] like you rightly said, to keep the masses in subjugation. The almajiris are drawn from among the talakawas - the poorest of the poor. And they imbibe teachings that have been wrongfully interpreted to them, by their teachers. A lot are brainwashed during their Arabic education. They learn many of these verses by heart, and are not taught to understand or critically examine & apply the decent parts of it in a positive sense, to their daily lives. And because they do not even understand it, they cannot decide objectively what parts of the hadith or Qu'aran should be kept, modified or even jettisoned, if it isn't compatible with the modern world, or if it doesn't fit into their current lifesyle.

Parents of the almajiris do not have funds or reseources to send their kids to schools to get a Western education. So they ship them off to Arabic schools where the fees are low or non-existent, and these kids are turned to street beggars by some of their teachers, in their bid to survive. They are also the first set of people recruited by extremists when things get hot.

In fact, what we need is a strong President and an empowered civil society, (both within the North & outside of it) which will hold Northern governors accountable for providing free, massive doses of Western education, in order to prevent these kids from going through further[i] brainwashing [/i] in the hands of the mullahs. The best hope for getting this done, is to have a federal government that makes their re-orientation and education, a top priority. They need to be taught how to think objectively, and learn the basic things that would make their lives work and cause them to live in peace with their neighbours. These almajiris attend Arabic schools which are cheap and widely available, because they can't afford to get a Western-oriented education that will free their minds, and impart true knowledge into their brains.

How many children of the rich political elite in the North are almajiris? How many of them take to the streets to brandish cutlasses and matchets to mow down Christians, during riots? It is the brainwashed children of the poor that the elites use, to achieve their nefarious ends after giving the mullahs in charge of these kids, some money.

Like you rightly said, if Nigeria does not pay attention to this army of unemployed, brainwashed youths called almajiris, then this problem is going nowhere. And the issues in the Niger-delta could end up being child's play, compared to the mayhem they could unleash in the years to come. Don't forget that many of the brainwashed kids of the 'sixties are now adults, carrying around the same mentality that their fore-fathers had. So if nothing serious is done to stem the tide in the next few years, the cycle will still continue.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=82702.msg1569057#msg1569057 date=1191870707]Isn't it funny how Laudate shifts her position depending on the situation?

the Islamic religion supports jihad, and the killing of infidels. So, what is there to understand?

Guess who said the above?Our girl,Laudate Don't believe me?Check out this thread.Post 8-https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=77592.msg1490852#msg1490852[/quote]Yup. . . .I made that statement!! So what is your point? And how does it conflict with all the posts I have made here? I don't recall stating that I supported Islam, in any of my posts, in this thread. All I have been saying here, is that we don't know how to keep the peace. And we should do some research & find out how other Islamic countries have managed to avoid Muslim-Christian conflict. So what is wrong with that??

Did anybody listen to me? No. They turned the whole thread into an 'Islam-bashing' thingy, and till now very little  coherent analysis or suggestions have been put forward. You guys can keep bashing Islam & Islamic countries till kingdom come, it is no skin off my back. We all know that is the favourite occupation of some folks in here. But it doesn't add anything new to the debate, & doesn't offer any suggestions or propositions or solutions that would reduce or eradicate the Muslim-Christian conflict in parts of the North!!

Yes. . . .we already know Islam supports jihad, and the killing of infidels, but it isn't practised that way in several Islamic countries and Muslim-christian conflict isn't as pronounced in them, as it is in core parts of the far North. Why?? That is the question that needs to be answered. So why can't the continuous bashing do this simple task, or produce any suggestion of value, or shed any enlightenment on the whole issue? And which of the more decent ways that such Islamic countries have adopted to avoid Muslim-Christian conflict, can be adapted or replicated here?

davidylan:
Dubai as has been pointed out to you is a tourist destination and is 80% expatriate! your level of comprehension is pretty low.

Oh, my level of comprehension is pretty low? Um, were you the one complaining about personal attacks a while ago?? Jeez!!

As for Dubai being a tourist destination, when did you point that out? After how many pages of latching on to Saudi, as if that was the only place mentioned in that post?

davidylan:
You have made no points worth looking at besides the fact that we should all applaud the Saudis for merely persecuting, whipping and deporting christians as against killing them. Cant see what i need to be objective about in there.

No you can't see anything, except what fits into your hate-filled vision. No one asked you to applaud the Saudis. All that was pointed out is that Christians are not killed in a predominantly Islamic country like Saudi, with the same frequency with which they are attacked & killed in certain parts of the far North.

Um, I forgot. . . .such a comment doesn't fit into your world view.

davidylan:
lol how can you have a solution to a problem when you don't even know its root causes? not even medicine is that silly.

Yeah, and since neither you nor your side-kick have been able to diagnose the root causes, (except to rant & rave about Islam, which is your favourite past time) who are you to talk about silliness?

nwando:

Truthfully,I don't read most of them.

now buzz off with your chatty self

You don't read most of them?? Now what part of the Bible has that inscription - "Thou shall not lie??"

Confess that you have read my posts, and I shall be merciful. I might even decide to forgive you.

almondjoy:
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! Yeah right!!! My comments defy description, yet you are the one who gets battered for one way reasoning mostly here on this website. I have noticed. You should thank me for not giving up on you like most have. I deserve a medal dealing with you---always!

Ah, omo. . . . .give up on me, ke? Haba! No try am o!

nwando:
God please,I hope he's not male.
Any man that carries on talking like a woman needs a DNA analysis.
He may have a syndrome XXY.

You just love dishing out dirty words, don't you? And what syndrome do you have? A laudate-bashing syndrome??! Let us know.

nwando:
and a bowl of ben and jerry's icecream.
laudate disagrees with any sensible reasoning.
That is her signature here

But I'm pretty sure she uses her brains when placed in similar situations.
Most of the time,her reasonings are way out there.
Truthfully,I don't read most of them.

You don't read them, so what was going on with that reply you gave me, in the Muslims' thread about Saudi & Dubai? You don't read my posts, yet you know that the 'reasonings are way out there?'  

Hmmn. . . .now how would you know where the reasonings are, if you didn't read them? And how would you know that laudate disagrees with sensible reasonings, if you don't read my posts? How on earth did you ever get an insight into their contents, to be able to know what kind of reasoning, permeates them??

Um, let me guess. . .did you use telepathy?? Or clairvoyance?

davidylan:
yawn . . . remind me when next you meet a christian suicide bomber.
The same recycled propaganda.

Laudate, you make a lot of noise saying essentially nothing. Christians are whipped, deported, persecuted, but they are not killed bla bla bla - so we should all jump up and congratulate the Saudis?

Yawn!

Don't let this hatred blind you. You are so fixated on Saudis, yet I also mentioned Dubai in the same breath. It took an extra "how many pages", before you conceded the fact that the word 'Dubai' was there at all.

As for noise, you too have been making a lot of it, especially each time you find it so hard to acknowledge the basic points that have been made. Am yet to see any objectivity in here.

When people have concrete, workable, sensible solutions to the carnage, (instead of bally-aching about Islam which doesn't add anything new to the debate) let them paste it here, for others to read.

Until then, sayonara.

almondjoy:
Most armed robbers in Nigeria practice Islam I believe or most of the looting 'born again" Presidents, ministers and governors I believe that have killed people with misppropriation of funds and half executed projects in Nigeria. Is it only when you carry a knife or a gun in the name of Islam that you have "bombed" someone. More people die from the hands of non religious attacks than form religious ones in Nigeria and allover the world so I have to yawn at your suicide bombing tale too!


Yawns! Have a good afternoon!

True!! Well said!!

almondjoy:
I disagree sha.  Islam is not the culprit---Islam is used as the excuse.  Islam did not kill christians but was used by some people who probably never even read the Koran to kill christians and we fall for this lie over and over again.

Let us hope some people will understand this basic concept. Seun asked another question in the preceding pages.

Seun: Quote from: Seun
So in Lagos Muslims are peaceful because they are in the minority.
And in Senegal they are peaceful because they are in the majority??
It's an interesting theory. It needs to subjected to extensive testing.

Maybe nwando will give us an answer soon with all her knowledge of the Qu'aran & the hadith!

davidylan:
I have read your post more than 5 times now. your post DID NOT focus exclusively on dubai, you are simply using that as a get out of jail free card when you ran into problems with your Saudi example.
Dubai is primarily a tourist destination, to promulgate laws like those in Saudi would effectively kill tourism there. At least in that regard the people of Dubai are smart.

christians are not shot dead on arrival at Saudi airports because just in case you were unaware you can't wear your religion as a badge on your forehead. they are persecuted for their faith, whipped and sometimes deported. . . is that more acceptable than killing?

No one is looking for a jail-free card, although you might be needing one soon. My post did not focus exclusively on Dubai, neither did it focus exclusively on Saudi, so what is your point?

And if Christians are not killed, but are persecuted for their faith, whipped and deported, isn't that still better than the carnage in some far Northern parts of Nigeria? Or are you suggesting that killing them outright, would be more acceptable?

You never even acknowledged the fact that I spoke about Dubai initially, when you were ranting about my using Saudi as an example. Yet, you claimed to have read my post more than five times!! Jeez! Why am I not convinced?

davidylan:
The Saudi authorities do not have bible detectors so if you hid it in a micro-chip they would have no idea. The mere fact that it is a law in that country is enough evidence of discrimination!

that article made no point at all that helps this issue. Meeting "discreetly" is synonymous to "you can meet as long as you are not caught". If indeed freedom of religion existed in Saudi Arabia, why would i have to hide in my basement to bless my food?

I never for once in any of my posts used Saudi as an example of a place, where freedom of religion thrives. All I stated in one of my previous posts, was that Saudi, Dubai & a few other nations are Islamic countries. And Christians don't lose their lives in such places, as much as they do in some parts of the North, down here. So why don't we research that? Your partner-in-hate nwando did not go through my post with an open mind, before she launched brickbats in my direction. You merely followed suit. Na wa o!

davidylan:
Perhaps you were only dreaming when you told your fellow ignoramus, richyBlack, to lend me contact lenses to read his imbecillic post.

Oh I see. . . .that was your definition of a personal attack. Hmmn. . . .loosen up. It was not a personal attack, unless you choose to interprete it as one, and it was still far more polite than the nasty epithets you had unleashed on several other people in this thread. Oh by the way, have you forgotten that you used the word 'numbskull' when reffering to me?

davidylan:
Did you read the Saudi customs warning on carrying religious items that are not islamic?

you keep parroting the same hogwash. Can a Virgin-Nigeria airline fly into the US without obeying US custom rules? You have not heard any report of bibles being siezed aboard such planes because most of you are ignorant of happenings around you. Try and broaden your horizon and stop living in cuckoo land were political correctness is the new language.

And kindly re-read my post with some measure of understanding, without letting your usual anti-Muslim hatred blind your mind. My previous post focused more on Dubai than Saudi, and to the best of my knowledge, Christians are not dead on shot on arrival at Saudi or Dubai airports. They are persecuted for their faith, and whipped when they practise it openly or publicly, but are not killed as frequently, or to the same extent as in some far Northern states in Nigeria.

For the record, what I stated was:

laudate: Quote from Laudate post no.« #139 on: October 06, 2007, 06:33 PM »
@ Davidylan,
There are several oil workers from different Western countries who are resident in Saudi and carry their Bibles with them. There are also several Nigerian and African business people who go to Dubai very often and carry their bibles with them. Am not aware those bibles have been seized or confiscated. What a majority of Arabs frown upon is the open proselyting or attempts to win new converts to the christian religion from members of their own population. Don't forget that the Dubai & the UAE in general is a huge tourist destination now. Am not sure many bibles are currently being seized from Christian tourists and Christian workers, in that country.

The part in bold type was my main focus. As for the oil workers from Western countries who are expatriates, if they do not carry their bibles with them, (even though its' against Saudi law), from where do the Saudi authorities then get those Bibles that they seize on their soil?

The article below talks about Christian persecution in Saudi, but also makes another point:

Of these charges, only the last was true - Mr O'Connor was in possession of Bibles, including one in Arabic, for use in his Bible study for expatriates of different nationalities, which met in his home. Under Saudi law, expatriates are allowed to meet privately and discreetly for religious practice

http://www.human-rights-and-christian-persecution.org/saudi-arabia.html

nwando:
Whenever any one individual has an example to give for every situation,I choose to call that person a liar.

You have family from all the tribes in Nigeria,you have attended ceremonies in Igboland that Igbos know not off,Igbos have kings,osus are in your workplace.
Now you have  seen people carrying bible into Saudi.

If you have questions,use google as usual and find your answers not post blatant lies to appear intelligent.

Now stop derailing this thread will you!

Hehehehe. . . .are you suffering from PMS?? Why this show of aggression? I have attended ceremonies in Igbo land. Yes. . .now why does that offend you so much? There was a girl who was classified as an osu in my workplace. . . .yes. Why does that hurt you so much? Igbos have kings. . .ehm, am not sure I ever made this statement, but I guess the title Obi of Onitsha, Eze of Nnewi and words like Igwe etc. are part of the lexicon in Alaigbo? Are they not? So why are you offended? I have relatives drawn from different parts of Nigeria. . .true! Why are you bothered by that fact? Do you want me to disown them? Not everyone's forbears come from the same village, you know!! Kindly free your mind!

And please why did you say I posted blatant lies?

Please go back & re-read my previous posts. And kindly digest each word in it, before you come back to attack me, if that isn't too much to ask.

_{*One last word*} you are actually the one derailing this thread by dragging up long-forgotten issues that have been discussed in other threads.

nwando:
Laudate can you now be quiet and don't derail the thread.
You told us how saudis allow  Christians to carry bibles abi go down Saudi  Avenue shouting hossanna.
When your ignorance was made known,you disappeared and reappeared to attack individuals.

The topic of the thread is clear,if you can't make a sensible contribution on Muslims forever being provoked and slaughtering Christians in the North like they slaughter their nama,then just shut up and move onto the osu thread.

Please who did I attack in this thread (apart from I-man who stalked & attacked me first), and what words did I use to 'attack' them? Are you okay?

Madam, please re-direct your rabid hatred of Muslims and their religion, towards someone else. Abi I owe you? As for the previous post I made, I stated that some Christian tourists and business people that I know personally, who go to Dubai take their Bibles with them, when they visit the place. Who knows if they hide it in their hand luggage? Or can't you read? Must you exaggerate everything? I also stated that foreign workers in Saudi are likely to carry theirs, but you cannot go around publicly proselytizing or preaching. You jumped up to give an example of how Saudi Airways seized the Bible of an air hostess. Like I asked your friend Davidylan "is it only Saudi Airways that goes to that country?" I have heard that Kenya airlines also goes there, and I have not heard of any report that bibles were seized on board such planes. But I stand to be corrected.

Are you absolutely sure that no single individual has a Bible in the whole of Saudi Arabia or Dubai?? And are you sure that no single Bible exists inisde that country?? _{Please note:} am not defending Saudi Arabia. Am only trying to get at the reality.

yemmight:
You are saying its unsafe to eat from those people. 

These are food vendors with good environment, well built and decent.  Govt is driving them because they were illegal structure but not indecent.  However, for those of you that have responded against this.  You have forgotting that State Govt agents generate money legally from this shops.  This is where you and your government now calling illegal structure.  These are the shops that also observe Thursday 7-10 as sanitation.  And these activities are monitored by state govt.

For M007, I have worked in Fast food for 4 years plus and internally I know what issues were with quality of food being produced.  Even while I was there, I stil patronize vood vendors because of the quality of food.  On Marina Road, Island, you have a very big mamaput where you see more than 75% Bankers in that area eat.  One day and I know it will com quickly govt will demolish such a decent and you will you are disappointed in seeing people eating.  In summmary, I am really disappointed with your statement.

Food vendors with decent environment hardly set up shop 'on the street' or at the roadside. And on Thursdays between 7 and 10 a.m, do they clean up the gutters which flow under the planks on which they have built their stalls?

The Marina mamaput that you talked about. . . .is it the one that is located nearly opposite the First bank building?? If it is that one, that mamaput is definitely NOT on the road. It is right INSIDE a large, fenced, parking lot a few metres off the road, and you have go through a wide set of gates to even get access to the place!