₦airaland Forum

denex:
It is now that I know that Ibo people are very wicked and selfish too.

Governor Lucky Igbinedion has not achieved anything in the past eight years. The only achievement he was hoping to get was the award for the most corrupt governor. Now you Ibos want to rob him of this hard earned position. Na God go judge una. Shebi you people pass through Benin when going to the east by road?

Hahahaha . . . . una no go kill person with laughter for here! Wait, tears are streaming down my face. . . .let me wipe them off, so I can see clearly. Ehen, yes, where was I? Denex, take time o! Most of the Igbo people on this site, travel to the East by air, not road. That's why they probably missed Lucky's lack of governance in Edo state. Up Bendel!

denex:
@Afam

I'm beginning to learn from your mistakes:
1) people are extremely polarised: good is excellent and bad is abysmal.
2) people will insult you first then complain when you serve them back.
3) there are few intelligent minds left on earth. Possibly 51.

Oh my goodness, too much laughter is bad for my workflow. I must learn to avoid you, Denex.

stanech:
I saw everything that happend then. But the truth was that we became so emotional about it because Abiola Died in Jail. He is too ambitious and I don't like that.

Na wa o! So what is 'too ambitious' in wanting to be President of your own country? Do you think that post is reserved only for a select few?

stanech:
So what did he do for Nigeria that everyone is shouting june12 June12   was it because of the campaign? Okadigbo was also fighting for same thing when he died. I have heared so many rumours about that guy. That he ran some dirty deals in the past that made him not seat on that power for one minute.

The fact that you asked that question, shows that you were either too young on June 12 1993, to follow the political events as they unfolded in that era, or  too naive, to understand the importance of that victory, and how it shaped our collective conciousness. Case closed.

As for Okadigbo, I do not recall him fighting for anything remotely similar, to what Abiola fought for. Maybe, you should let us know how you arrived at this conclusion. Now that you have told us how Abiola made his money, can you also tell us how Okadigbo made his own bucks?

stanech:
I still do not know this MKO guy, is he not the same guy Fela called ''international thief thief''? ITT?

Or is it because he died fighting his own selfish interest?

And so what, if Fela called him I.T.T?? 

The fact still remains that he pulled off a political feat, that very few people thought was possible. He ran an effective campaign that cut across the length & breadth of Nigeria. Too bad, he was deprived of his mandate. In fact, Obasanjo owes a lot of his emergence as President, to the fact that Abiola ran a credible or formidable campaign, scored a political victory even though he wasn't allowed to claim it, and earned a lot of post-humous goodwill, as a result of this feat.

Go figure!

Biafralord:
Infact, when I refer to Biafra, I mean Igbo Biafra which includes Igbos in the South-South. Ijaws, Edo, Annang, Ibibio etc can remain in Nigeria. You guys are to small ,anyway, to exist as a Nation.

Who told you that the Ijaws, Edo, Annang, Ibibio,etc. are too small to exist as a nation? Go back & read the pre-colonial history of West Africa, especially that of Nigeria. These ethnic groups were kingdoms in their own right, with their own state machinery & structures, before the advent of the white man. Educate yourself, bro', because a little learning is a dangerous thing.

Sweet T:
My dearest MKO,
Nigeria miss you so much, but we know you are in a better place. You came, you saw and you conquered !! Rest in peace Baba ! We love and miss you !

Amen! The guy was a truly detribalised Nigerian. He did what no other person had succeeded in doing, when he won an election on the SDP platform despite fielding a Muslim-Muslim ticket. His campaign strategy and political network still remain unmatched. What was it William Shakespeare said?

"When beggars die there are no comets seen; The heavens themselves blaze forth the death of princes."

--From Julius Caesar (II, ii, 30-31)

Adieu, Moshood Kashimawo Olawale Abiola. Continue to rest in peace.

TYNN2:
I know this yoruba lady that told me she was 17 when a married yoruba man of 40 with children in Nigeria uses all whatever in his possition to lured her into having children and practically demonstrated readiness to have her as the second wive. Having manage to immigrate into Europe she still turn down most of my Ibo friends (well to do single guys) that attracted to her (with excuses that she need time to think) only to start dating another Yoruba man that has a wife with children back home in Nigeria.

She will be coming for help from me, something a boyfriend should be doing for a woman.

Your friend needs to have her head examined, for dating another married man with a wife & kids the 2nd time around, especially after being a 2nd wife to a married man over 40, in her first outing. Your friend's decision has little to do with tribalism, and everything to do with stupidity. 'Nuff said.

WesleyanA:
how do you say "yoruba person" in igbo?

Ofei mmanu. . . !

WesleyanA:
i thought "ara oke" meant "uptown" I'm from osun.

Yup. You are right. It means 'uptown' people or those from the upper land. It was used to refer to distance, in the past. But they also use the name for Northern Yoruba folks from Kwara & Kogi as well, not just Osun. Hehehehe. . . 

IG:
Just a point of correction for those saying that he was appointed because he is Hausa.
I think those people have a very small knowledge of Nigeria's ethnic setup.
Kingibe is Kanuri and not Hausa.

Please guys not all Northerners are Hausas.
In fact many Northerners are not Hausas.

Oh, thank you kind sir, for those words of wisdom. I have made this observation so many times on this site. Not all Northerners are Hausa, neither are they all muslims. In fact, there is great cultural diversity in the North! Don't let all the petty propaganda fool you!

[quote author=I-man link=topic=59262.msg1196067#msg1196067 date=1181667040]May you meet Afam in person.What a bunch of idiots[/quote]Hehehe. . . . oh, have you now changed your mind? When you said Afam was being unfair (in another thread) to this little twerp xtycod, I laughed. What made you have a change of heart?

Afam:
I am not trying to justify his actions. I am only stating that things would have been a lot better if other governors or even previous governors had awarded themselves contracts and executed same rather than using the funds to buy mansions abroad.

In Nigeria today, the bulk of the politicians are bad, so bad that we are even singing praises of things that they are actually paid and mandated to do in the first place.

The issue of Chimaroke singing a different song (even if briefly) about 3rd term at the Eastern Governors conference is well recorded, it was neither a rumour nor a joke. What followed after the remarks are equally known in the public domain.

He may have tried to gamble which didn't go down well with his "oga".

On Anambra wahala, I disagree that Chimaroke is causing the problem there. The people of Anambra should hold their son Chris Uba responsible for agreeing to become a willing tool in the hands of his own god fathers like OBJ (personal opinion sha).

Most if not all of our politicians deserve to spend some time in jail for the way and manner they have turned Nigeria into what it is today even when we have all it takes to become a well developed nation full of natural and human resources.

Wow! You spoke my mind on this issue, Afam. Gimme a hi-five! Have you been going through my diary??!

Anyway, at least Nnamani did something with those funds he collected. What about all the other states, whose governors have nothing to show for all the billions of federal allocation they received every year? Some could not even pay salaries of workers, yet they were cruising around calling themselves 'Governor'! Rubbish! what manner of yeye governance were they doing?

xtycod:
This is just the beginning. They will vomit all the oil and fish that swells their rotten stomach. Pity I am in far away Europe on AKS govt scholarship. I would have joined to deal them a deadly blow. AKS all the way

You?? In Europe, ke? Who dash you?? Na which passport you take go there? Na Naija passport you use, abi wetin? Make you no lie o!  

If you join dem go fight, na you go first kaput! _*Hiss*

achike:
look at this yoruba want to be .anyway this is good news.

Who are you talking to??  

McKren:
really is xtycod from Akwa Ibom, may be this is one of the reasons he likes casting aspersions on Yorubas.

Hehehehe. . . he is truly from Akwa Ibom o! But he tries as much as possible to pass himself off as an Igbo man. McKren, how can we help him to acquire Igbo citizenship, please? Thank God, most of the Igbo people I have met, are not bitter, like he is. Neither are most of the Akwa Ibom folks that I know. My neighbour is Ibibio from Akwa Ibom, and she made me this tasty Afang soup over the weekend. Ah, omo na die!

Ehm, where is xtycod that Akwa Ibom man to shed more light on this issue?

achike:
the ogboni,witchcrafts,ogbomo-ogbomo ,voodoos, and juju worships is still going on in yorubaland as will speak.

babyosisi:
good comparison

Really?? And you won't find witchcraft or kidnapping (a.k.a gbomo-gbomo), or juju in your own neck of the woods, or right in your backyard? Puh-leeze!! Get real.

Every part of Nigeria has something negative in their region.

Esoterik:
Us Osus deserve respect for what we went through, not persecution.  But hey, thats just my opinion. 

All i can say is THANK GOD my daddy did not raise us in one of these backward, idol-worshipping igbo villages!!

Ee yah!! What a pity. May all these ancient practices depart from our land. Can I get an Amen from somebody? 

ono:
The Igbos went to war with the Nigerian state because of crude oil deposits in the Delta. They want complete and unhindered ownership of the resources there. But their greed was met with the ''might'' of the Nigerian state. They were forced to settle the matter out of the war front.

Ah!! Ono, you were lacing some of your comments with salient facts, until you got to this point, where you veered off the path of truth. Dis one wey you talk for up here. . . na big lie! The Igbo went to war, because they were being killed in their thousands in the North. Chikena! Crude Oil was NOT the main reason for the war. Mba!!  

Read the accounts of the war and even the reports and dispatches that foreign observers made at that time. Maybe, along the line the thought of financing the war efforts with crude deposits in the region, may have crept in as the war progressed, who knows? But the initial issue that prompted the war was the killings in the North. Check!

Imani:
@Donzman,

I am on this forum to learn and have fun and not "fight" with anyone.

Biko, I don't want to be on the list of your usual targets. Life is too short to be wasted on trival and unnecessary issues.

Imani:
Quite sad that you resort to insulting people who you don't agree with. Unlike you, i will not descend to your level. Considering the age you posted, i am rather surprised, thought you would know better.

Do you honestly think it is the amount of words that a person speaks that determines smartness or cause changes to take place? With all the debates that have raged on in Nigeria by various groups and fractions, where has that gotten us as a nation? No wonder we are a nation of talkers and not doers. I don't know who you think you are but trust me, there are lots of smart people on this forum that don't go around bragging.

Chei!! Donzman, more people are telling you who you are. You have decided to let everyone know that 'insult' is your middle name. Pity.

Imani:
Like i started in my earlier post, what is so bad about those people who don't want to be identified as Igbo? Ethnicity is just a dimension of who we are and does not define us in totality, at least that is how i see it. You don't have to agree.

I am a Nigerian and proud to be one but it is tiring hearing all this tribalistic nonsense floating around. No wonder we are so self-destruct as a nation.

I see myself as a Nigerian first, then my religion second, and ethnicity last.

Wa'sere my girl! I agree with you whole-heartedly. Thought I was the only one who saw life in the same way. The way people go on and on about ethnicity on this site, you would think it was the Nobel Prize or something!

Donzman:
Oh my ethnicity is really important to me so I will not sit around and let people who know nothing like Ishmael insult it. If I do not defend my ethnicity, folks like Laudate definitely will not.

Na wetin concern me with your ethnicity??!! Abi, dem send you?

adconline:
Laudate,

I like reading from you but your views have not always been balanced whenever Igbo issues are on the table. Some instances:  I wondered why northern Nigeria would have 68% of Abuja land leaving the rest of Nigeria with 32%. You came up with phoney figures as to why they deserved it. You had to call El Rufai's figures incorrect in order for you to make sure that favouritism, nepotism and tribalism were not at play. You conjured figures to counter El Rufai's figures, worst still your figures did not add up.   From these I deduced that you are hell bent on rewriting history in order to serve your purpose of denying tribalism or nepotism in Nigeria.

Adconline, I never came up with phoney figures. If you would like me to explain how I arrived at those figures, kindly say so instead of reading non-existent meanings into every comment I make. First of all, you queried why Northern states in Nigeria, should have 68% of Abuja land. I tried to give you an inkling into how this occurred, by letting you know the rationale that governed the partitioning of land in Abuja, at inception. The government at that time (not Laudate), based it on population figures & number of existing states, because they wanted every state in Nigeria to have ownership of some of the land in Abuja. Please check the Abuja Masterplan. It is there.

I said El-rufai was not strictly correct, and I gave my reasons for saying so. Is it a crime for a common Nigerian to disagree with a Minister's figures? Has it occurred to you that he could have made a mistake? Or that he may not have been given the right figures? And I never called "El Rufai's figures incorrect in order for you to make sure that favouritism, nepotism and tribalism were not at play. You conjured figures to counter El Rufai's figures, worst still your figures did not add up," to use your words. You are attributing the wrong motives and giving the wrong slant, to my disagreement with El-rufai's figures, and I tend to lose respect for people who do that. I was striving for balance when I pointed out the fact that other tribes, (not just the Igbo) lost their properties, and I listed the reasons that the government gave, for demolishing those properties. How is that wrong? Or would you have preferred it if I said only the Igbo lost their properties, when that was not an entirely accurate view of the whole incident? What's your beef?

And for your information, am 'not hell-bent on rewriting history,' because I do not engage in revisionist exercises. So your deductions are dead wrong! I call it, as I see it. If ten people were hurt, I will not say twenty were maimed, in order to whip up sentiments! I have experienced tribalism & nepotism first hand at different periods, from every major tribe. But I do not dwell on it. And I try & make sure that, before I accuse anyone or any group of tribalism or nepotism, I have enough facts at my finger tips to make it a water-tight case, or to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, that any negative action taken against me, was done solely on the basis of ethnicity.

Anyone cannot build a house on flood drains, or areas earmarked for other purposes contrary to planning regulations, and then turn round to cry nepotism or tribalism!

adconline:
I also cited educationally less advantaged states as listed on JAMB brochures, you said that your cousin got admission at a northern university, so you would always want us to ignore facts and believe your stories  not El Rufai's facts or JAMB facts. When you say that some people are crying wolf even when the facts are glaring, it becomes impartiality of thoughts. Just like someone denying that Holocuast never took place or slavery was never a crime because Europeans and Arabs were also enslaved

All JAMB admissions are not made solely on the basis of educationally- less-advantage criteria, or solely on the basis of catchment areas or quota. Merit also accounts for a large proportion of intakes. It is only a certain small percentage of admissions, that are devoted to educationally less-advantaged states or catchment areas. That is the point I tried to make, by using my cousin's classmate/colleague, as an example. Many of my peers, including myself, never studied in our own geographical zone. Neither were we admitted into university, based on any of the two criteria mentioned above.

I don't deny the fact, that some folks may have gotten admission based on catchment area or the educationally less-advantaged criteria. But one can escape those traps, by meeting the criteria for merit. The universities in the East, (as well as other government-owned higher institutions) also employ the catchment area policy to attract a larger pool of intakes from their own geographical zone, into their institutions. So what is the issue?

Citing the holocaust as an example, does not fit into this scenario, because I have never denied the fact that the holocaust did not take place or that the civil war was a Nollywood movie. Both were tragic horrors that should never have occured. And I pray that such events will never visit this nation again.

adconline:
Secondly, you defended Yoruba issues in particular when I responded to your victim mentality by saying that Awo gave Igbos 20 pounds after the war and your pendulum of opinion swung in defense of his actions. Then I "assumed" your tribe to be Yoruba and asked you to tell me why your "kinsmen” had always voted  for a president  from their tribe  in  the last 47 years with the exception of Yar'dua, you  immediately went tribeless even though you have not defended Igbos that same  way

The fact that I defended Yoruba people does not mean that am Yoruba, and I don't recall holding brief for Awolowo. If you remember, I stated that he was NOT a saint. But since I do not believe in speaking ill of the dead, or using the name of the dead to score any points, I let the matter rest. If you can see any post where I defended Awolowo, please kindly post it here. Awo was a man who took certain decisions. He never consulted me or my folks, before he took those decisions, so I will not presume to guess at what he had in his mind. Neither will I villify him, because he is not here to defend himself. Let the dead rest in peace. Period.

adconline:
I took him or her on earlier and still waiting for a response, so you drummed up the support and concurred with this assertion and I took you head on because the basis of this allegation is predicated on the fact that I discuss tribal issues. I also find you in this category so your reason for concurring with that assertion does not in any way exonerate you.

At the time 'The One' made his assertions, I had not gone through your rejoinder. But I have now read it, and yes, I apologise for saying you did not take him to task earlier. However, I still stand by my agreement with The One's statement. You have taken sides with other folks on this site, without anyone questioning your right to do so, or your basis for agreement. I simply exercised my prerogative to voice my agreement on a particular issue, and I have not noticed any change in the status quo, that would make me recant. Now point of correction. The basis for the agreement was NOT because you discuss 'tribal issues.' NO! It was because, (like he said), you and a few others have always taken a position of viewing tribal issues, from the perspective of "your ethnic group vs. everybody else," as if this was a boxing contest, between two heavyweight contenders.

adconline:
You have to always check the frequency because your analogy is based on the fact that every other person was treated badly. Can two wrongs make a right? Should the basis for justice be based on the fact that everybody   has been a victim of injustice?  Mind you Igbos have not denied that other tribes might be unjustly treated, but they have to take on their issues with Nigeria. Its like saying to man  who lost his business to fire, shut up because  Mr. 'A ' lost his shop too.

Please I hate being misquoted. Read my posts again.

Yes, my analogy is based on the fact that every other person was treated badly, to use your own words. What is wrong with that? Would you prefer me to say that no other person was treated badly, except the Igbo? And for crying out loud, the fact that I say other groups were treated badly, is done in order to create balance, consistency and to present an accurate picture of the whole event, from other perspectives. What is wrong with that? It does NOT translate into  "shut up because  Mr. 'A ' lost his shop!" Where did you get that idea from??!  Where did I say "shut up because  Mr. 'A ' lost his shop?" Show me where I made such a statement, in black & white! Please stop reading illogical meanings into my comments, and kindly do not misinterprete them. kindly remember that facts are sacred, even if comments are free!

So many folks are given to hyperbole and gross exaggeration on this site, and it is beginning to get irritating. When someone tries to point out the error or tries to present his own view, it is resented because it does not fall in line with their own preconcieved notions. How sad!

Jerri:
Hey guys, stop hating and wish the new govt luck!

I dnt think Senator Mark was wrong, when he said Telephone isnt meant for the poor, have u taken time out 2 think what the economy was like when this statement was made? To me his outspoken! because No1 nerved up enough to say what they tot. Y dnt we all thank God its different now?

You don't think Senator Mark was wrong, when he said "Telephone isnt meant for the poor??!!" Yikes!   Is there any law, that says phones are meant to be the exclusive preserve of the rich?

Don't you think such an irresponsible statement should have been penalised?

Alright, if he thought telephones were not meant for the poor, what did he do to make phones or functional communication gadgets accessible to the poor, even if ownership of such gadgets, was priced beyond their reach? In a more focused regime, phone booths and call centres are set up to provide the poor with access to communication. Rural telephony is embraced and implemented with vigour, because of the multiplier effects it has on the community.

But what did david Mark do? He made that ridiculous comment and sat down, doing nothing. He was not impressive as a Minister, so it is highly unlikely that he would do anything tangible as a Senate President. Abeg, make una leave matter for Matthias.

ijogbon:
Success is inherent ie. it is 'inside' each and everyone of us. Forget the tribalism argument. What somebody does to you or does not do for you is just by the way.
You don't believe me? Ask yourself, do people succeed under the so called bad conditions in Nigeria. Are there millionaires who count their money in dollars and pound? Do they live outside the effects of your so called tribalism?
The simple answer is yes.

So that should be your goal - Success against all ODDS.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said amongst many things - If a Man make a better mouse trap, the world will beat a path to his door step. Whatever you do, even if it be sweeping the streets do it so well that even the angels above would hail and say what a wonderful street sweeper you are.

The world it also is said stands aside for a man who knows where he is going.

Forget unfruitful pursuits - You can not change the world. You can only change YOUR WORLD.

Individual and Personal emancipation is the secret.

What are you doing with the little you have? That is the only question you have to answer.

Gbam! Gbam!! Gbam!!! Well said! One of the best responses I have read in ages. Preach it brother, pre-ee-each it!!

FACE:
Laudate, Inward examination is required here on your part. That you have lived here and there is of no consequence if you continue showing disdain for any particular group. It shows that you took nothing positive away from the different areas you lived. Like my people would say, "Wilberforce claims to have been in the army, but where are his boots".

Sorry laudate, I am not confusing you with anyone. Go back to your own posts and examine them again. I still maintain that I'd rather be face to face with someone that does not hide his intention to do me harm than turn my back to someone who would readily plunge a knife into it after pretending to have no problems with me.

If the purpose of placing issues on the front burner is for everyone to learn, there should be no bias in the chain of thoughts and expression.

I am not here to argue about your freedom of speech and rights to self expression. To borrow your own words, Facts are sacred but comments are free.

I have made my point and I am not going to be drawn into long debates on this issue, so you can consider this post as my last one on this issue.

No one is drawing anybody into any long debate. You simply cannot throw accusations around in cyberspace, and expect every one to swallow it hook, line & sinker. You claim that nothing positive came out of my living in different parts of the country. Really?!! What scientific experiment did you conduct to arrive at this conclusion? It would be nice to know that.

In your previous post, you also made some accusations of partiality, even going as far as to imply that "those that come out with open hatred are a lot better than those that would pretend to love you but are willing to hit you when your back is turned to them."   I merely asked you to substantiate these comments, by stating what part of my posts conveyed that sentiment. You could not. 

Now you claim:

FACE:
I still maintain that I'd rather be face to face with someone that does not hide his intention to do me harm than turn my back to someone who would readily plunge a knife into it after pretending to have no problems with me.

Pray tell, how does this relate to Laudate? In what way has Laudate plunged a knife into your back after pretending to have no problems with you? Kindly answer this question, as you are obviously speaking from some kind of premise, which is currently unclear. In what way did Laudate portray an intent to harm you? Kindly let us know. Clarify your motives, intentions and objectives, instead of calling for an inward examination. In my view, you are the one that needs to examine himself, because you are accusing someone of something that cannot be substantiated, and has no basis in reality.

Oh, I forgot you already said this was your last post on the subject. No problem.

Since you have decided not to answer my questions, it shows that your allegations are false, and your stock-in-trade is ambiguity. What you hope to achieve with such tactics is unknown. So I suggest you try your game on someone else, who might fall for whatever charade you are seeking to promote here.

There are some materialistic guys out there, just like there are some materialistic chics around, too. Life isn't black & white. There are a lot of greys in-between.

mohawkchic:
~Realisticly though,there's no tellin how one would behave under such circumstances!!!

Gbam!!

Let everyone pray against this kind of evil, biko!!

Sweet T:
@Natasha
O.K Babygirl, let's keep it real now. what magazine or newspaper did you get that fiction from ?? It was a good one ! You sure had this fools foolled !

Uh? That's a strange question. Have you read a similar story in a newspaper somewhere else, before?