₦airaland Forum

stranger12:
Its a global market and Nigeria can't be insulated by the global forces since its got inadequate refineries

Petrol is imported from foreign countries. Your refineries are not good enough nor are they many enough to cater for the whole of Nigeria.
Despite the fact that Nigeria has one of the cleanest crude oil in the world. I find it surprising that Nigerians still have problem refining its oil.

So why can't we build new refineries or over-haul & expand the ones we have in order to increase our refining capacity? Why must we sell them off? If the new owners decide that it would make more sense to sell all they refine outside the shores of Nigeria, won't Nigerians be worse off? Last time I checked, they were not under any compulsion to sell any proportion of what they refine, in the local market.

One little example. In 1999-2000, ExxonMobil was exporting tons of LPG that they had extracted from their oil fields in Nigeria, to the international market. At that time, there was an acute shortage of LPG in the local market. Entreaties by local Nigerian gas marketers to Mobil, to sell a proportion of its LPG to them for retailing, were met with a rebuff. For Mobil, long-term contracts had been signed with their international customers, so there was nothing they could do to help the domestic market. When NNPC & other government officials stepped in, Mobil came up with another excuse. Their jetty was too big to accomodate smaller gas vessels that could supply the local Nigerian market with gas. The ping-pong of excuses, went on and on for months. Till date, I do not think this matter has not been fully resolved, because until 2003, local gas marketers were still appealing to Mobil for assistance. What makes you think that the new owners wouldn't do the same thing with our local refineries?

stranger12:
In Iraq, the pump price is $1.22 per liter
In UK, the pump price is $1.50 per liter
In US, the pump price is $0.84 per liter

In Nigeria, the price is $0.58 per liter

On the other hand,
Iran increased gasoline prices by a "whopping" 25 percent on Tuesday to $0.10 per liter

Do Nigerians earn global salaries? What does a university professor earn in Nigeria & what does his counterpart earn in the UK, US or even in Iraq? Why not use prices in Venezula as a comparison? Do we have any welfare system like the US or the UK has for its citizens, in order to cushion the effects of joblessness or inflation? Every country has some kind of subsidy for its' citizens, why can't Nigeria subsidise fuel?

Donzman:
See how you engage in cheap self deceit?. . .So you pointed out that the properties of other ethnic groups were destroyed hoping to achieve what exactly?. . .YOU TELL ME if it isn't in a bid to water down the treatment handed down to Igbos. Those are your views, the Igbos should keep quiet since they were not the nly ones affected, what a BIGOT!

Cheap self-deceit? But that is your true character trait, Donzman. You are well-known for it.  Each time you pull out a lie from your bag of tricks & people shoot it down, you reach for an insult from the same bag, to justify your falsehood. Wasn't it on this same site that you used the word 'hypocrite' when I said anyone who speaks Yoruba should be able to understand Itsekiri? What was your pathetic, ill-bred response then? Continue your tirade. One day, you might be appointed the Minister of Insults on nairaland. You claim that I pointed out that the properties of other ethnic groups were destroyed hoping to achieve what exactly?. It was pointed out in order to achieve balance, and correct the erroneous impression being fostered that, houses owned by the Igbo were unfairly targeted for demolition, on the grounds of ethnicity. Go figure!

The properties of people from other ethnic groups were destroyed. Yes or No? Even you agreed on that score. Why does that fact now offend you so much? You claim it was an attempt to water down the treatment handed to the Igbo. This is another attempt on your part, to brainwash people on this thread. This is cyberspace, my friend not a mushroom lecture hall owned by Donzman. Not everyone can be taken for a ride, like you are trying to do. Would you have preferred it if I had agreed with the fallacy that only Igbo people were affected by the demolition exercise?  Let us all know. You also keep saying "Those are your (sic. Laudate's) views, the Igbos should keep quiet since they were not the nly ones affected," and I keep saying "point me to that part of my post where I made the statement in black & white". You have been unable to do so. Doesn't this prove that you trade in falsehood?

Donzman:
Last I checked we weren't talking about Rivers, we were discussing Lagos. Same thing happened in Rivers and many other states were Igbos were living.

Ojukwu got his house back, damn right he will. On the statement that MOST Igbos got their properties back, that's a HUGE LIE. Not only are you defending injustice, you're now denying it.

Please point out the parts of Lagos where Igbo people lost their properties, and we will take it from there. Only then, can we believe you. The case of Rivers state has been well-documented. There are so many references to it. Even in Benin, rents for houses owned by the Igbo were kept in a special account till after the war & paid back to them. Ogbemudia ensured they got it back. Your claim of Lagos being involved, is so hard to believe without documentary evidence. Until I see any evidence to this effect, I still believe that Lagos was not part of the abandoned property issue. Not all the propaganda you dish out can change that. The leader of the Biafran war, got his properties returned. Or is that not a fact? There was even more reason for government to hang unto his properties, and I do not recall any speech made by Ojukwu, where he said the properties of Igbo in Lagos had been seized. If he did, kindly paste it here and I will apologise. But till then, I stand by my words.

Donzman:
You remind me alot of Ahmadinejad with his genocide denial masked in intelligent thought. Igbo properties were seized in Lagos as well as other states by opportunists, it was a federal law!!. Kudos to the good Yorubas who were their brother's keeper, too bad they were highly outnumbered by opportunists!

Donzman, you need help. I have always told you that. Seek help before it is too late. You are seeing ghosts that do not exist. Character assassination, especially the type you love to indulge in, clearly marks you as a person who suffers from hallucination. It is a bad sign.

Obviously, this federal law you referred to, was observed in Rivers state. I do not deny its' existence. Since you claim that there were some good Yorubas who held the properties of the Igbo in trust for them, can you tell us the proportion of those good Yorubas vis-a-vis the bad ones? Since it was a federal law, why do you want us to believe that some Yoruba people chose to obey it, while others chose to disobey it? Since it was a federal law, why did the Igbo in Benin & other parts of Edo state get their properties back, while those in Rivers state lost it?

Donzman:
I speak out against injustice, I do not go from thread to thread attempting to water it down or outrightly deny it, I'm notthing like you, BIGOTED TRIBALIST

I'm not the first person to tell you this below, many other people have said it and now adconline, too bad you do not heed:

You speak out against injustice ONLY when it affects your people. Don't misrepresent the facts. For you, other ethnic groups are fair game for your tribalistic cartel to take pot shots at! As for the term BIGOTED TRIBALIST which you keep tossing around, I insist that the title is better suited to you Donzman. The cap fits you well, m'sieur so wear it!

Hmmn, you claim "I'm not the first person to tell you this below, many other people have said it and now adconline,". What a joke! Am I supposed to quake in fear at this silly remark? I have done a quick check on those who have called me names on this thread and they are not more than five or six, at the max.   And guess what? They all belong without exception, to your tribalistic cartel. Now, why would you refer to five or six people as "many other people?" Let me guess, you failed maths in school, too. What a pity. Truth be told, I feel really flattered to discover that I have nothing in common with your tribalistic cartel. I really do not want to see life, through their warped lens of bigotry. You however, are free to continue wallowing in the tribalistic mud, for as long as you wish, since that is how you get your kicks.

If I recall, adconline did NOT call me a tribalist, or did I miss it somewhere? I want to believe he has too much manners to do that, and he can read between the lines, and judge for himself what is right & what is wrong, unlike you.

So stop looking for new recruits into your tribalistic army, Donzman. Not everyone suffers from the same brand of hate, that you take great delight in spreading on this board.

fekuti:
Lol, you answered your own question, "about her age"
"He can't have authority over me, i'm older than he is[b]."It just so happens that those bossy women are either older than their husbands, or richer than their husbands?[/b]I've seen this often home girl, just the other day my friend told me his girl wouldn't give him the key to "his" car, because "she" bought the gas in it.

Re-ea-ally? You actually conducted some in-depth attitudinal research into this area, plotted the results into a Gant chart and discovered that bossy women were often 'older or richer' than their husbands. Wonderful! Did it occur to you that the lady who refused to give her husband the keys to the car because she had just put some gas in it, was just being stingy? No. To you, it had to have been the age difference. Are you saying women who are younger than their husbands, do not deny their husbands the use of the car? 

It didn't occcur to you that these women were bossy, simply because being bossy' was a character trait they possessed right from day one, and not because there was an age difference between them & their husbands. Are you saying that if they had been younger than their husbands, they wouldn't have been bossy? Haven't you seen younger women 'lording' it over their husbands or 'bossing' their husbands, around? What does it tell you about the emotional maturity of the man?

Last note: First class, Juintade, spoilt, IG & English1 thanks for your articulate words & logical reasoning. Thumbs up, guys!

adconline:
I would also want you to respond to my previous post.

Nigeria is one even though it took your kinsmen 47 years to figure out that another man who is not of their tribe should occupy the presidency.

Any reason for this act?

Who are my kinsmen, please? Kindly specify the exact group you are referring to because my kinsmen cut across all ethnic groups. And since am only one person, not a multitude, I cannot claim to speak for all of my kinsmen. Any opinion I proffer on this matter, would be mine & mine alone. To answer this question would call for an in-depth analysis of all the elections that have been held in this country till date, which brought in the various leaders of this country. It would also require an in-depth examination of each candidate's campaign & the political strategies & manouevres that led to their successes or defeat, especially the reasons why they failed. I do not have insider knowledge of this issue & since am not clairvoyant, I cannot do any guesswork to arrive at the answers.

adconline:
As per victim mentality, a comparison is based on two or more known conditions. Igbos know what Awo’s 20 pounds could achieve in a short period of time.  Igbos have shaken hands beyond river Niger. They have far more invested and diversified in Nigeria than any other tribes. We don’t have to continuously talk about one Nigeria. Show me. Don’t invest in Abuja, because it’s the headquarters for national allocation. Don’t invest in PH because there is oil. Go to Umuahia, Potiskum,Zaki Biam, Gboko  etc and invest if you really believe in oneness of Nigeria.   Some folks have not done anything beyond their enclaves and they will be one to shout one Nigeria. Let one Nigeria start today. Let other folks match Igbo’s efforts in developing every nook and cranny in Nigeria. This will make alamajuris in Wusasa Junction to remember that his kinsmen have investments all over Naija, maybe they will be destroyed if they incite people to destroy Igbo’s investments.

Can you tell me why some folks like you cannot put their oney where their mouth is  ie  detribalized ONE NIGERIA

"War is nothing, but the absence of wisdom".   Can't remember who said that. Awolowo was not a saint, despite his achievements. Did he have cause to regret his actions before he died? Who knows? Even though it is on record that he tried to build alliances with the East in the 1979 elections, we may only guess at his frame of mind, in his last days. It is sad that the losses of the war cannot be restored by pointing fingers at the dead. Contrary to your impression however, many of us have moved beyond our enclave. We have studied & travelled in other areas, different from the ones where our ancestors hailed from. And because of that, we can recognise that poverty, tribalism, hardship etc. (and everything that conspires to keep Nigerians down), has many forms and can be found in all districts. It is not restricted to a particular zone or ethnic group.

Having an investment in area that is different from your own, does not always mean that you believe in the unity of that place. It merely means that you can recognise a good business investment or opportunity & you are ready to take advantage of it. People do this in all countries, all the time, and will continue to do so as long as such a country is not on the brink of war.

Finally, haven't you seen landowners, businessmen, industrialists, landlords or property tycoons who would invest in an area and yet still harbour ill-feelings towards the residents of such areas? Haven't you heard of tribalistic landlords who would gladly build a mansion in one area, but would deny their offspring the chance to pick a spouse from the same area, where their properties are located? Is it all the financiers of the ethnic militia e.g. OPC, AREWA, MASSOB, MEND etc. that do not have any property outside their geographical locations or ethnic areas?

We should be looking for a way to heal the wounds of the war, not exacerbate it. We gain nothing by villifying one ethnic group, or putting down another in order to make our own group look big.

adconline:
Can you tell me why some folks like you cannot put their oney where their mouth is  ie  detribalized ONE NIGERIA

Kindly be more more explicit. Put my "money where my mouth is", in what sense? Are you talking within the context of ownership of property? Do you know what my investment profile looks like? 

adconline:
Laudate

Eeyaah, this thing dey pain you well, well.   Last time I checked, adconline had the intelligence & capability to respond to questions directed to him, by others. Wetin come be your own? Abi you don do change of name to adconline? The reply I gave to adconline is still valid.

I wonder why you dabble into double standard in your postings. If it was cool for you to re-echo Wesylan’s sentiments ( oh may bad!!  Maybe she has a “low IQ” or her spokesman ) since it now the basis to agree with someone's position. Donzman was merely stressing his points which concurred with mine.  This has always been the tradition of this forum. The same thing you accused Donzman of doing, you ended up doing. Why do you argue this way?

Adconline, Donzman has a tradition of attacking Laudate on this forum. It doesn't even matter, if such remarks were directed at him, or not. Even when others have asked Laudate a direct question, (which had nothing to do with Donzman), or when Laudate has merely volunteered an opinion which was in no way directed at Donzman, he has always jumped in to the fray, to throw brick-bats in Laudate's direction, using the most putrid insults he can lay his hands on.

So what happened in that quote, was an attempt to give him a taste of his own medicine. I do not suffer fools gladly. If that offends your sensibilities, I do apologise.

adconline:
You also wanted us to believe you with un-statistical data even though you are not in the know to know better than El Rufai.Even though it may not be glaring to you, you sound like someone who is ready to distort history in order to make Igbos look like villains.

Am not asking you to believe me with unstatistical data. Kindly do your own research and if it conflicts with mine, please put up the evidence. My colleague used to work in the Federal Capital territory as a town planner (ironically, he is an Igbo man). If you need any data, kindly look through any publications on the FCT and its' origin, and you will get some of this info. Kindly read up the SERAC Report of 2006, too. It states in part & I quote:

SERAC: If the Abuja master plan had strictly been implemented by the federal government from the onset, perhaps the eviction and its dire consequences would have been averted.

           As the years went by, successive FCT administrations unfolded one plan after the other to deal with the numerous problems emerging within the FCT. This campaign took a fiercer dimension with the appointment of Mallam Nasir El-Rufai as the Minister in the presidency and chairman of the Federal Capital Development Authority in 2003 by President Olusegun Obasanjo. Mallam El-Rufai was particularly interested in restoring the Abuja Master Plan thus commenced an intensive demolition exercise of all structures allegedly built on land reserved for the passage of water and sewer lines, green areas, neighborhood centers and schools. Speaking on the demolitions the Minister is quoted as saying “this demolition thing is not going to affect just individuals; (it also) is going to affect government agencies.”

Now did the demolished houses contravene planning regulations or the Masterplan? If the demolished houses of the Igbo did not contravene any of the regulations outlined above, it is only then, that we can conclude that they were unjustly targeted. No one is making the Igbo look like villains. These are the facts.

1). Houses of Nigerians that cut across different ethnic groups were demolished. Settlements like Idu, Karmo etc. were levelled and the majority of those resident in the satellite communities along the Abuja Airport Road, including: Chika, Aleita, Galadimawa, Lugbe, Kuchigoro, Piwoyi, Pyakasa, Gosa and Karamajigi, were rendered homeless.

2). While the government has a responsibility to ensure a planned and orderly development of the FCT, this however does not and cannot justify the indiscriminate large-scale forced eviction of several hundred thousands of people without any planning and provision of effective legal remedies such as adequate notice, compensation, resettlement and rehabilitation.

This is the position of SERAC. I also share the same view. We all need to hold govt. accountable for providing alternatives to ALL these people, not just by condemning the demolitions & saying the Igbo were the victims!

You also claim: "you sound like someone who is ready to distort history in order to make Igbos look like villains." Pray tell, how did I distort history? Was it by saying other tribes were affected by the demolition, not just Igbo? Just how? Kindly outline it in chapter & verse.

adconline:
Its either that My Rufai's facts were incorrect or that 68% is the same thing as 32%. We are here to critically examine his statement not reinvent new rules in order to score some cheap tribal points. I hate it when Nigerians pretend that tribalism does not exist, even though its entrenched in our system. We elect presidents on tribal affiliations.

Is there something else I have missed out here? Who 'reinvented' new rules, please? Are you saying El-rufai cannot make an error? And for crying out loud, who is pretending that tribalism does not exist? You talk as if there was visible proof that tribalism was the raison d'etre behind the demolition exercise. And that is where I disagree with you. With all due respect!

If there is anything that offends me, it is when people try to make out that their own group is the only one suffering or being victimised. Sufffering, poverty, even tribalism, cuts across all ethnic groups. I have met tribalistic Yoruba people, tribalistic people from Hausa, Ogoni, Fulani, Ijaw, Idoma, Igala, Efik, Edo, Bachama, etc. ethnic groups, and I have also met tribalistic Igbo people. So what is new?

All I am saying, is that people should locate issues within the relevant and proper context. Period. If you say Igbos were victimised in the demolition exercise, would you say other ethnic groups got off scot-free? What we should be looking at, is why were 'Nigerians' dispossed of their properties and what kind of opportunities exist, to redress this anomaly. Simple. What can be done about their case? What are the solutions? Not playing the blame game, or fanning the embers of an ethnic war, like Donzman & his ilk keep doing.

Donzman:
I've NEVER sided with docokwy on anything!

Really??! Go back & re-read your previous posts! Your assent to his remarks is so obvious. You were not only quick to jump to his defence, the defence was done with vicious glee!

Donzman:
@Laudate

Sorry, did I give other ethnic groups 5%?. . .I'm being generous, they gotta be less than 1% in reality. I wonder how many ethnic groups had their dead people shipped in trailers. . .and the best you can do is tell them to keep quiet because some other ethnic groups were killed here and there.

You really do have a problem Donzman. And its a simple one known as bigotry. Unfortunately, it has impaired your memory. Kindly point out in chapter & verse, where Laudate told the Igbo to keep quiet. You don't have to lie to get your points across. Neither do you have to exaggerate. That has always been your problem.

Donzman:
Again until people from whatever part of Nigeria you come from decide to go into other parts of Nigeria like Sokoto, Maidugiri, invest and make a living and get killed while doing it, you have no right to comment on the tribulations peace loving people go through.

Ofcourse the true Igbo to your tribalistic and anti-Igbo self are those who will sit down and accept your foolish reasoning which is[b] "since it wasn't only Igbos that got killed or had their property destroyed, they should keep quiet". [/b] Oh really?. . .I suppose Jews were the only victims of Hitler's cleansening! Those are not true Igbos, just cowardice ones unable to see through your tribalistic mask.

Those are your views Donzman, not mine. It is sad that you would describe your own kith & kin in such a derogatory maner. What are you trying to achieve with this? Anytime there is an issue on the front burner, you have always found a way to side-step the topic and use the civil war and its' losses, to avoid the main issue, and spread hate. Pray tell, where did Laudate say, "since it wasn't only Igbos that got killed or had their property destroyed, they should keep quiet"?  You even put it in quote, to make it seem as if you were repeating Laudate's words, verbatim. Must you lie over & over again, to get your points across?

Your clique was trying to present a 1-sided story, by making it look as if the Igbo were singled out for vindictive treatment in the Abuja demolition issue. All Laudate did, was to point out the fact that it wasn't a selective thing, and members of other tribes also lost their properties in the same exercise. So what is wrong with that? Was it a lie? And where did Laudate say that the Igbo should keep quiet? Donzman, quit making up stories. Your credibility is already badly damaged, even though you never had much to start with.

Donzman:
When you sayu Lagos is Yorubaland, it implies that non-Yorubas are living on Yorubaland which makes them second class citizens, that doesn't take much reasoning. It is logic like this that encouraged peope to seize Igbo properties after the civil war, based on what?. . .It's on Yorubaland. I imagine a true citizen won't have his property usurped in that manner by fellow Lagosians.

p.s.: Some Yorubas in Lagos treated Igbo properties well, others were just opportunistic brats!

Finally this claim you made that "__Lagos is Yorubaland, it implies that non-Yorubas are living on Yorubaland which makes them second class citizens, that doesn't take much reasoning," could only have come from a putrid, warped mind like your own. So those of us who are non-Yoruba Lagosians are now 2nd-class citizens in your eyes, abi? Thanks for the confirmation. Why am I not suprised?

On the issue of abandoned properties, it was something that was firmly entrenched in Rivers State. So why don't you direct your anger in that direction? Most of the Igbo who left their houses behind in the South-west got it back, even Dim Emeka Ojukwu. His father's houses on Queens Drive Ikoyi & in Apapa, were returned to him after he got back from exile. Do a quick check.

Donzman:
TOO BAD UNLIKE YOU, I'VE NEVER SAID ANYTHING BAD ABOUT ANY ETHNIC GROUP! Infact, I do not want to know anything bad about anybody, they can go on and live their lives. . .For the same reasons why I do not like anyone who says anything bad about my own people!

You being a tribalist is an established FACT of life!. . .Keep dancing naked, shameless trash.

Nah!!  It has been established time & time again, that the Ogbuefi of Tribalism on nairaland, is you Donzman. Go look in the mirror. The facts speak for themselves. 

You have moved a step up on the insults ladder. So the best you can come up with now, is "naked, shameless trash"? Is that all? Or is there more?

ThiefOfHearts:
Laudate, Donzie always sides with that lunatic docwyx so it shouldnt surprise you. Figured you would have realized this by now.

Yeah, you are right. They both talk without thinking & preach the same brand of hatred! A Yoruba-Lagosian having a neighbour like Docokwy, is' like a black man living next door to the Ku Klux Klan!

Everyone should pray hard against this kind of evil!

Soundmind:
Marriage is contracted when the dowry is paid and not when sexual intercourse occurred. So even it they cohabitate for 30 years, she may even born children for the man without pride price paid, they are only lovers {adulterers in christianity} and not married couple. If the man drives him out of the house, she cannot make any claim because she have not interest in the house, she is only a guest not a co owner. She can as well wake up one day and go away even with her children, they man cannot claim to be the father because, he did not marry her. Whatever she make away with in the man's house is her dividend of whoredom.

Can we have a round of applause for this brilliant answer??! Well said, soundmind!!

edatika:
but in such situation,
well if u are too far from home
ie his home, or her home
as long as a family (his or hers) is involved,
and accepted

it is ok

I just can't believe you said that!! What makes it ok? The fact that they are far from home? Isn't there any form of transportation to get back to their homes? Or can't the families of the couple carry out the traditional wedding rites in their absence?

mohadana:
@WesleyanA. that was a very stupid comment to make. this a funny thread.there are many edo and nigeria minorities in the USA,Texas,Dallas,Ny, Boston,etc.i live in Boston Ma, i see more edos than any other minorities ethnic groups from South South region.

Why now? If she no sabi di real thing wey dey happen, then enlighten her, politely. Which one be 'stupid' for inside dis whole talk now?

chumakk:
men go for second wife because of greed and lack of self-contented

Gba o! They also go for second wives, if the first one was infertile.

Some of them also do it if the first wife gave birth to only girls, and they want a boy to carry on the family name. Still a pathetic excuse, if you ask me.

nosa101:
We should keep our monarchies, it's OUR culture.

Even England kept its' monarchy. So did Monaco, Spain and a lot of other European countries. And their parliaments work alongside them. So what's the fuss?

honeric01:
It's Ibo not Igbo, let everyone go and make research, stop following the crowd ok?

Honeric01, Vbèè óye hé?

An Ov'biedo like you is calling Igbo people, Ibo. Are you trying to start World War III on this thread? Na wetin? Take time o!

Anyway, it is mostly elderly Yoruba folks from certain rural areas that refer erroneously to Edo people as Igbo. The younger ones know the difference. Most people from Ondo & Ekiti states also know the difference.

Fulani people cut across other states o. They are also a minority tribe in Kwara, Sokoto, Maiduguri etc.

GNature:
Ede wa easy lati so, sugbon ole lati ka.

oga (boss)

oga (he/she is tall)

oga (na waa )


Anyway, ekuu ojo jimoh

What is the Yoruba word for 'easy?' And what is the correct translation of 'anyway?"

[quote author=I-man link=topic=54829.msg1142198#msg1142198 date=1180052115]I did my Service in London![/quote]Show-off!!

ThiefOfHearts:
Are you actually taking Donzie seriously, Wes?

You know that loon wants to steal Lagos. OLE jati jati!

He obviously does not have the foggiest idea of the facts that make up the history of Lagos. That is why he is spewing forth all the junk he can muster on this thread. Di guy na real Mumu!

Donzman:
This Laudate is dumb. Nobody said Lagos has moved from Southwest to wherever, Donzman is saying that no ethnic group can claim Lagos as his father's inheritance anymore. The ethnic politics they're playing in Lagos is for just a matter of time!

Oh Donzman, please do not develop hypertension over Laudate's comments. If Laudate is dumb, then what are you? Retarded? Listen to yourself. Last time I checked, Yoruba people were the dominant majority in Lagos, due to their historical antecedents and ancestry. Now, why would your friend want to move to a place populated by an ethnic group he hates? Has he developed a sudden love & affection for them? Answer us o! And talking about ethnic politics, na you sabi that one pass!

Donzman:
You also need to stop asking stupid questions, you heard El-Rufai say 68% of the land was allocated to Northern states, why are you asking adconline stupid questions?. . .You also heard El-Rufai say that 73% of the land belonged to Igbos. A little 1+1 will tell you which ethnic group bore the heaviest load from the demolition excercise, so quit playing dumb. No member of any ethnic group should be a second class citizen in any part of Nigeria, if Lagos is Yorubaland then non-Yorubas who make up atleat 50% of the population are 2nd class citizens in their own country, sorry that doesn't fly!

Eeyaah, this thing dey pain you well, well.   Last time I checked, adconline had the intelligence & capability to respond to questions directed to him, by others. Wetin come be your own? Abi you don do change of name to adconline? The reply I gave to adconline is still valid.

Now each state in the country, was allocated land in the Abuja masterplan, when the idea of the Federal Capital Territory was concieved. Out of 31 states in Nigeria, Northern states (not Hausa states o! There is a difference please take note!), like I was saying, Northern states are 19 out of 31 states, that make up Nigeria. That come to roughly 61%, I believe.  So if the Northern states received 61% of the total land allocations in Abuja, (El-rufai says it is 68%, don't think he is accurate), would you say it makes sense?

Now the Abuja masterplan was distorted, because unscrupulous staff of the ministry conspired to sell land to interested parties, without paying attention to the master plan. Last time, I checked, workers within all ministries including those that run the Federal Capital territory were Nigerians drawn from different ethnic groups. So the corruption that led to the sale of those parcels of land, was perpetrated by people that cut across various ethnic groups. I still repeat, no one forced Igbo people to buy the resold parcels of land. If something is too expensive for you, walk away from it, don't complain. It is called choice!

Donzman:
No member of any ethnic group should be a second class citizen in any part of Nigeria, if Lagos is Yorubaland then non-Yorubas who make up atleat 50% of the population are 2nd class citizens in their own country, sorry that doesn't fly!

No one here has called non-Yoruba people in Lagos, second-class citizens, except you! Is that how warped your mind is, that you would refer to non-Yoruba folks as 2nd class people? Maybe that is how you truly see them? Na wa O!

Donzman:
Infact Laudate you're not only tribalistic but you HATE to see anything Igbo being seen as succesful. You're also ready to deny any instance of Igbos being victims of anything. Who said other ethnic groups didn't have their properties demolished?. . .All adconline is saying is that Igbo properties met the most destruction.

What makes Laudate 'tribalistic'? Everyone on this thread knows who the real tribalists and hate-mongers are, and they include you, Docokwy your side-kick and his ilk! Where have I ever denied that Igbos were victims of anything? Kindly go back to that post and re-read it! All I stated was that houses of people from other ethnic groups were also demolished. Or is that a lie? Even you, confirmed that. So what is the stress?

Igbo properties met the most destruction because they constituted the largest purchasers of land, and if the Abuja report is to be believed, the demolished properties were built in areas that distorted the master plan of the city. Some were built on drainage channels, flood drains, etc. It was NOT demolished simply because the owners were Igbo! So what really is your problem? This hatred you have for Laudate started when Laudate didn't join you to bash a particular individual on another thread. If you want to recruit Laudate into your tribe-bashing army, then you would have to wait until hell freezes over! _*Hiss*

Donzman:
This is similar to the rubbish you spew on other threads trying to trivialize the maimings Igbos have undergone in Northern Nigeria. In your infinite wisdom, other ethnic groups were also attacked so Igbos who make up 95% of the victims should keep quiet because the 5% isn't complaining. I suppose a man whose car has been stolen ought to react like a teenager hose shoes have gone missing.

The day dead natives of your ethnic group are shipped in trailers like goods from Northern Nigeria back home, their crime being going to other parts of Nigeria to live and make a living, then we can talk about other ethnic groups being victims, what a dumbass you are!

You're to the Igbos what anti-semites are to Israelites, just hurts you to see people succeed.

Now you have really lost it! Who trivialised the maimings of the Igbo? How? Where? When? In what way was it done? What makes Laudate anti-semitic, please? Please tell us in chapter & verse. Anti-semitic, my foot! You have accused Laudate of all kinds of evil deeds on this forum. So I guess its' nothing new. You now have to go so low to whip up sentiments by using the dead to build up a case, and bringing up things like[i] those who maimed dead natives of your ethnic group[/i] _{(to use your own words).} How low can you get? What a shame!  Kindly let the dead rest in peace, please.

You also claim that "Igbos who make up 95% of the victims should keep quiet because the 5% isn't complaining". You made the claims, not Laudate. Hmmn, this information is a new one. So the other groups that were attacked make up 5%?? Where did you get those statistics from, eh?  Lemme guess, you made them up as usual. Why am I not suprised?

And for your information, I have nothing but utmost respect for the true Igbo people, not 'whiners' like you! My relatives are drawn from different ethnic groups, including the Igbo. You do them a great disservice, when you make comments like the ones you have just regurgitated here. And you do nothing to help their cause, with the kind of hatred & vulgarity you consistently display. 

WesleyanA:
i think the reason laudate asked that question was 'cause of the comment that "someone" said earlier about hating yorubas.
it's just like a US southerner moving to vermont even though he "hates" northerners. OF course he can live anywhere he likes as long as he's american but it doesn't make rational sense for him to buy land in the north if he hates northerners. it would make more sense if he bought his land in kentucky or mississippi or something where he is surrounded by southerners like him. lol

Oh thanks WesleyanA for that comment. Kindly tell the man to take his blinkers off, and read the posts without prejudice! No one is saying other ethnic groups cannot live in Lagos or own land there. What we are saying is that hatred doesn't promote good neighbourliness. Docokwy is a tribalistic hate-monger, just like Donzman. Why bring his brand of hatred to Lagos? If all Lagosians were as driven by hatred as he is, I doubt if he would have considered investing in that territory.

titilayomi:
I think the older girls that are yet to be married, but really want to someday might feel their married friends are being cheeky when they ask ''whatz up with mr right?'' simply because they feel inferior so to speak, maybe jealous, about the married friends.
I feel this is so because whilst they are all still single, they all ask and talk about their suitors and toasters, so why should it ring a diff bell when your friend who is now married is asking about your scores. I have seen this break up a long term happy friendship, not one but twice. and i wonder why.

Don't generalise. I know lots of single women over 30. And many of those single girls who are unmarried at 30-plus, do not strike me as the jealous type. In fact, I have seen most of them even going out of their way to help their married friends, especially when it comes to handling the wedding arrangements. What happens is that the married ones often change their attitudes to their single friends, after they become Mrs. Somebody.  

I had to counsel a younger female cousin on this issue, recently.

She had this best friend, who got married a short while back. After the wedding, my cousin started calling up her friend in a bid to gist with her, like they used to do. Guess what? The married friend suddenly turned cold.   She was always either too busy, or just driving or simply in the midst of something & couldn't talk. The girl kept calling her & she wouldn't pick her phone or return her calls. One day, she was overheard telling my cousin's colleague, that she wished to be left alone, as she was no longer in the same class or category with my cousin, because she was now married. Imagine!!

Another married lady I know, went to the extent of ridiculing her single friend by always telling the girl; "Go and Marry," as if she brought a husband to the girl for marriage, or as if she heard that 20 men were knocking on the lady's door with marriage proposals, and she turned them down.

Honestly, a number of married women can be really insensitive to their single friends. Some feel they are now Mrs. Somebody, and so they relate to those single friends as if they are Mrs, Nobody, simply because those ones do not have a wedding band on their third finger.

I know some pastors who have to run counselling sessions with single ladies on a regular basis, because of this problem.

docokwy:
What on earth makes this one think that Docokwy is Igbo. Or is every Yoruba critic supposed to be Igbo?

Oh sorry, you are not Igbo.   Whatever ethnic group you dropped from, doesn't really matter. All you know how to do, is to attack Yoruba folks with venom. All am saying is keep your venom to yourself.  

If the likes of Cute-ass, Radiant, Chxta, Zhymaka, Uche2nna, Egoldman, Afam, Ikomi, Ebeledi, junegirl, Ezinwannem etc. had been the ones who bought land in Lagos, there would have been absolutely no questions asked. They say what they believe in, respond with courtesy & decorum & do not get their kicks from bad-mouthing every ethnic group at will.

Unlike you who insults Yoruba folks by day, but crawls back at dusk, to buy land in their part of town. It is bloody insincere opportunists like you, that do that.

Shame!

Igala - Kogi & Benue states

Igbirra - Kogi, Benue & Plateau area

Kalabari - Rivers

Bachama - Adamawa

Kataf - Kaduna state

Birom - Plateau

'Can't remember all the rest now.

docokwy:
What on earth makes this one think that Docokwy is Igbo, or did I tell him that?

Anyways, I just printed out the above crappy gibberish and symbolically dumped it in the garbage bin, where it is liable to. When/if Nigeria stops being one, then perhaps I can respond properly to this "laudmaut"

Crappy gibberish? Those terms apply to you, now!

Answer the question and stop beating around the bush, you tribalistic slowpoke! What do you mean by "When/if Nigeria stops being one, then perhaps you can respond properly?"

Oh, so you are waiting to get your own seperate state, before you post your reply? Make sure you take along with you, the properties you bought in Lagos o!

honeric01:
and for some people's information, it is Ibo not Igbo ok?

Are you sure it isn't the other way round?

Afam:
The statement above can only come from someone that shares the same mindset with the particular post that some of us have taken great exception to. What a shame. Masking deep rooted hatred based on tribal sentiments is bad.

My friend, please preach it! Let us hope the tribalistic cartel are listening!

Donzman:
Now we have some individual by the name of Laudate asking someone why he bought property in Lagos of all places?. . .Lagos WAS Yorubaland, not anymore. In some areas of Lagos, you'll find way more Igbos than Yorubas (visit FESTAC for example).

Yeah, Lagos has now become part of Alaigbo! It is no longer in the South-west, because the Nigerian map has been re-drawn to place it firmly in the East. In fact, a feat of engineering has transposed its original co-ordinates & placed it far across the Niger. And because the Igbo outnumber Yoruba folks in some districts (e.g. Festac, according to you) we should now probably re-name Lagos, to make it part of the East. Get real! Are you trying to re-write the title deeds of Lagos-Yoruba residents, through the back door? Na wa o!

No one is saying people from other parts of Nigeria cannot buy or own land in Lagos. So stop trying to twist the facts, that gave rise to our initial comments. What we are putting on the front burner (which you are trying vigourously to cover up) is that Docokwy is a rabid, tribalistic individual, who hates the Yoruba people with a passion. He has shown it in his comments, his responses & his insults, several times on this site.

So the question still remains 'why is he making investments in the territory where they live in such large numbers, especially fixed assets which guarantee profits for him, if he hates them so much?' And for the umpteenth time, why are you vigorously defending this tribalist, instead of allowing him to answer for himself? Your excuse of Lagos is not Yoruba land anymore, is not working. So what is Lagos, now? Outer space?

Stop making attempts to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.  It is beginning to make everyone doubt any credibility you may have.  Ah, now we all know the problem with the tribalistic cartel. When it is convenient for them, they claim to be 'Nigerians' who can buy land & live anywhere. And when it suits them, they become chameleons & decide they want a seperate state, because other tribes are evil! Let the cartel make up its mind!

If docokwy was a non-Igbo who had made the same nasty, ill-bred comments about Igbo people, would you look the other way? If he had decided to buy land in Enugu or Onitsha after pouring venom on the Igbo, wouldn't you raise the same questions? Anyway, like I said earlier, I expect the Yoruba folks on this site, to respond to him at an appropriate time.

Finally Donzman, let's use your own words, "are you keeping quiet because you agree with him?! "

adconline:
@laudate

When was land in Abuja sold for 10,000 naira please to only northerners? Kindly get your facts right. Secondly, the houses of people from other tribes were also demolished, not just those of the Igbo.

A plot of land was sold at about 10, 000 before IBB moved to Aso Rock. But your post still did not address my concerns. Why were northerners allocated with 68% of Abuja land? What were the criteria for allocation? If Mr Adamu qualified to own a piece of land why Mr Coker wasn’t allowed the same privilege? Did you not see the lopsidedness in allocation since the rest of Nigeria was left with 32%.

Do you know that some Igbos would not have paid millions for their properties if the land was equally distributed? So part of their allocation was allocated to north and they had to repurchase them from first land owners- northerners. That’s my point.

As per demolition, I am of the opinion that FG is culpable since they sold and approved development for real estate developers. I was saying that people who were favoured by Naija nepotism made more money without any sweat, and never faced any revocation or demolition. Now folks who paid their hard earned money are facing revocation and demolition.

Kindly provide proof to show that a piece of land was sold for 10,000 before IBB moved to Aso Rock! What year exactly are you referring to? Land was allocated to all states in Abuja not just northern states, so what is your point? And how did you arrive at 68% of the land being allocated to northern states? Please cite your source. If Mr. Adamu was qualified to own land in Abuja and was granted such land, who told you that Mr. Coker was NOT also granted land, if he was qualified for it, like Mr. Adamu? Do you have proof of such occurences? I know several non-northerners who were allocated land directly by the governement in Abuja, so kindly stop trying to make out as if the Igbo were denied land in Abuja, simply on grounds of their ethnicity!

Yes, those who paid their hard earned money are facing revocation and demolition, both Igbo & non-Igbo alike. Enough of this victim mentality, please!

docokwy:
Laudate or ludgate or lumidi or lamidi or whatever,

I owe you no further explanation. Why am I even talking with you?

Oh, so you can't even spell 'Laudate?' Didn't you say you were studying for a Ph.d or something?

How can you talk?  Your tribalistic posture & rabid hatred for an entire ethnic group, is indefensible.

How someone can attack a group of persons, place or group repeatedly, and then turn round to buy properties in the homestead, backyard (or frontyard, if you prefer), of that ethnic group, beats me!

If you don't like them, leave everything connected to them, (including land) alone. Period. Don't insult them in cyberspace & go behind, to make investments in their neighbourhood, or reap profits on their territory.

Docokwy, your opportunism reeks!

davidylan:
If there was ONE thing NYSC taught me it is that:

North and south Nigeria are not compatible! the worst mistake the yoruba ever made was to support northern Nigeria during the civil war. We don't have anything, mindset, culture, religion, language in common. We would have been better of without them.

You go up north to spend one yr teaching a group of unlearned 40 yr olds under a tree while cattle rearers who manage to pass through college without learning anything go down south to take up lucrative positions in the name of quota system.

Isn't this a sweeping generalisation? Teaching unlearned 40 year olds under a tree, isn't enough reason to make this kind of sweeping statement. While the proportion of educated people may be more in the South than the North, one must also acknowledge the fact that there are quite a number of well-educated Northerners, who qualify to be appointed to positions of authority on merit.  Are you saying all the schools and universities in the North, from Lokoja, Jos, Kaduna, Zaria, Bauchi, and Kano to Maiduguri and Sokoto etc., have not turned out any qualified graduates, since their inception?  

You also claimed that 'religion' is one of the things that Yoruba people do not share with the North. I beg to disagree. There are Yoruba muslims in the south-west too, just like you have several muslims in the North. Yes, the culture & language is different (even the various ethnic groups in the South, do not share the same language), but that is not enough reason to lump all Northerners in the same category, and declare that the 'North & South are not compatible'.

If you do not find them compatible, other southerners exist, who may find them compatible. Period.  

docokwy:
Laudate and Tonim,

I don't mind reselling to you guys. But I guess few Yorubas are bouyant enough to pay (mocking you)

Meaning_____________? Just what exactly_______?

Am sure the Yoruba people on this board can give you an appropriate response, you tribalist!