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Please read all the responses that were posted at this link:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-12120.96.html

I believe this issue has been treated extensively under that topic. The title was: Should I Attend My Ex-boyfriend's Wedding?

Am sure some of the responses would be helpful.

McKren:
@Debosky
See that mentality?? drop it. That is just a slogan to divert your attention from the real issues.
In the last election Arewa consultative forum could not broker a deal between Atiku, Buhari or Yaradua on who the North will present, so those who won it were not more united than the south-east.

Besides that, even a very united South-East will not install an Igbo President on its own, democracy is a game of numbers. Even if all the Igbo sons and duaghters both home and abroad vote for an Igbo Presidency we can not win if people of other geo-political zones do not believe they can have someone from the South-East as President.

So forget the Ideology of "Igbos are not united", that is just a slogan to divert attention from the real issues.  In 1999 the Yorubas did not vote OBJ yet he won, he was not a product of United Yoruba. In the run up to last election, before OBJ single-handedly projected Yar'adua through the PDP, all the Arewa meetings did not put Yaradua in their calculations yet he is President today. You can not tell me Yaradua is a product of United North.

On a more serious note if the talk of "one Nigeria" means anything to us why can't we look at the quality of the candidate rather than his tribe and how united they are.

In all this I don't blame the IBBs, the Danjumas, and the success of their evil machinations, blackmails against the South-East I blame our immediate Governors. Those who cry marginalisation should not marginalise themselves. I wish Igbo leaders and politicians can for once be wise, our Govs should have concentrated more developing the South-East (think of what Donald Duke did for his people) and forget the Presidency and FG politics. We can do a lot for ourselves without having an Igbo as Nigeria's President. As far as am concerned that venture is a waste of time, Nigeria's equality before the constitution only exists on paper.

True Talk!! Preach it man, pre-e-each it!!

Wait o! I thought Ehindero was an Edo man??

[quote author=Lady-Ti link=topic=57823.msg1176465#msg1176465 date=1181157845]But to learn that she is the FIRST FEMALE SPEAKER ever in Nigeria is something to be celebrated because it shows that our great Nation is making progress.[/quote]I think one or two states also had female speakers, in their own state house of assembly, long before now. If I remember correctly, the former Ogun state house of assembly had a woman as its' speaker - the Rt. Honourable Titi Oseni.

MILITIA:
If anyone told me that Anambra state would end up like thrash like it is now, I would have sworn 10 years ago na lie! 5 governors in about 5 years!

Haba!! Na for where you see 5 governors in 5 years? Don't exaggerate o!

Dem talk say Chimaroke Nnamani don go Harvard, for post-graduate course. Na who go come take over im Senate seat now? 

[quote author=I-man link=topic=58040.msg1182985#msg1182985 date=1181312484]Surprise!!! [/quote]What is making you 'suprised?' Haven't you heard of this, before? It happens everywhere. Or haven't you heard of the South-western indigenes claiming that their Northern brethren in kwara & Kogi, are not pure 'Yoruba' people, or that they have changed their names? Or the hausa people of Plateau as well as Kaduna Hausa christians, being denied access to government scholarships and amenities, simply on account of discrimination by their brethren?

I was merely making an observation, not a value statement. So why the shout of 'suprise?'

My former post was merely a response to BlackMamba who was trying to interprete the Niger-Delta Igbo's denial, solely as a by-product of colonial divide-and-rule, and the Biafran cause.

_{Quote from: BlackMamba on Yesterday at 04:51:33 PM}

BlackMamba: Majority of Niger Delta Igbos deny they're Igbo, despite their obvious and conclusive Igbo heritage. It's a by-product of colonial divide-and-rule, and the Biafran cause.

Make una no mind am. I hear say traffic jam hold am for 2 and half hours for inside Lagos yesterday. Na im good for am. Siren don finish now, make e come see as ordinary people dey suffer.

Donzman:
Rivers state is your state, so mess what?. . .They don't need to tell me they're Igbos, they've been Igbos since thy kingdom come, idiot.

Er. . . . aren't there Ijaws, Ogoni, Kalabari etc. in Rivers state too? Or are they Igbo, as well?

Let's hope Okiro can quickly bring crime under control, much faster than his predecessors did.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=54751.msg1182572#msg1182572 date=1181304214]@Laudate

We can't all be misguided.Have you considered that there might be some truth to the accusation.[/quote]Please who are the 'we'? Your tribalistic cartel, perhaps? 

Don't worry, I have considered the accusation, and I find there is nothing in it. It just points to one thing. The tribalistic cartel are looking for people who would swallow their demeaning remarks about other tribes without much thought, and give in to the same brand of hatred that they preach.

Well, they will never find a supporter of such a cause, in Laudate.

FACE:
Laudate, I would agree with adconline on this point. I have observed the tribal wrangling on this site for a while now and I am shocked that the supposedly younger/new generation of Nigerians are not doing anything to correct the views of their parents. If you must be viewed as impartial, you must also act impartial and you are not.

In my opinion, those that come out with open hatred are a lot better than those that would pretend to love you but are willing to hit you when your back is turned to them.

I like to stay away from tribal issues as I have friends that cut across Nigeria. I had my Secondary education in Kaduna, lived in Lagos and can speak Igbo, hausa and Yoruba and I wonder what my hausa and yoruba friends would think if they hear me talking ill behind their backs after buying 'isi ewu' for me.

Face, I do not recall ever adressing any comments to you, but have you taken out time to study the content of all my posts? If you agree with adconline, then kindly outline the comments that Laudate made, which led you to draw this conclusion.

You claim that you like to stay away from tribal issues. Fine, that's your call. What you like & what I like, are two different things, because we are two different people. So what's your beef?

As for living in different parts of the country, well I have done that, too. It is not an unusual thing. What I detest are situations when inflammatory, demeaning comments are bandied around about other tribes or ethnic groups, and yet such people expect that those groups will take their insults, lying low. Why? Isn't it better to place the issues on the front burner, so that everyone can discuss such issues and learn? Facts are sacred, but comments are free. Isn't it better to set the records straight & correct the misconceptions that are being peddled around, under the guise of 'informed contributions?'

What I choose to address or pass comments on, are my prerogative. Not yours'.

FACE:
In my opinion, those that come out with open hatred are a lot better than those that would pretend to love you but are willing to hit you when your back is turned to them.

in what way does your comment in bold apply to me, please? In what way have I pretended to love someone, but "willing to hit you (sic.) when your back is turned to them?" Are you sure you are not confusing me, with some other person?

adconline:
Laudata,
I would always want to remind you that I have not seen any  impartiality or equality of thoughts in your posts whenever Igbo issues are mentioned. Its either other tribes were also treated badly without looking at the frequency or your victim mentality analogy. May I remind you, what "TheOne' accused me of, you are already guilty of because you always pop up on tribal issues that have to do with Igbos. So if discussing these issues makes me a tribalist, then you are in the same category with me. That's what I call equality of thoughts.

Adconline, you are entitled to your own opinion, and you are free to 'see' what you wish to see, in any comments that are being made. If you claim "there hasn't been any impartiality or equality of thoughts in your posts whenever Igbo issues are mentioned", kindly spell out the specific ways, in chapter & verse, why you feel this is so. You have a habit of generalising, which I do not find comfortable. All I have done in many of my posts, is to point out areas where my thoughts & views, differ from the perspective of others, and I have often done so, to set the records straight & to try and avoid misinformation. I do not subscribe to group-think. It is defeatist.

You claim that "what The One accused you of, is what Laudate is guilty of". Now am highly amused by this remark. If you had taken The One directly to task, over his comments, it would have made more sense. Instead, you did a quick detour to address your remarks to me. When I clarified my earlier comments, you decided to take it further by saying I "always pop up on tribal issues that have to do with Igbos." Oh, so it is now a crime for a non-Igbo to make a comment, when issues that concern Igbos are being discussed? Kindly enlighten me.

Finally you stated that "Its either other tribes were also treated badly without looking at the frequency or your victim mentality analogy." Are you saying that other tribes have not been treated badly? Or are you saying that Laudate is wrong for pointing it out?

Please do a quick recap of all my posts. You will see that I have taken some folks to task over statements, I consider to be ethnophobic. But then, it is your call. Like I said earlier, you are free to see what you want to see.

Donzman:
@Laudate

Keeping track of people who have told you what you are?

Donzman, you ought to have realised by now, that your putrid drivel doesn't cut much ice with me. Now hop along and keep doing what you do best. Whiner!

denex:
Just fresh out of college, me and my crew proposed to a group of companies to sponsor a contemporary dance event and that was[b] how I made my first and only N1m ever.[/b]

I'm currently pitching First Bank to sponsor a national poetry contest which will cost them N5million but will rake in more than N20million, and people are in here discussing how they will raid Indian jobs. Sorry, Ndo O.

Then finally I'm going to pitch either Hi-TV or Disc Communications a new system of Pay-per-view TV that is simple yet has never been done in the world.

It is worth N300 million yearly.

Keep it up, bro'. Well done!! Hehehehe. . . . oya, move some of dat kudi into my account sharp, sharp, make I keep am for you!

BlackMamba:
Majority of Niger Delta Igbos deny they're Igbo, despite their obvious and conclusive Igbo heritage. It's a by-product of colonial divide-and-rule, and the Biafran cause.

Here we go again!!

I guess it isn't a by-product of the Igbo fuelling the discrimination among themselves, by saying one is 'core' Igbo and the others are not?

Afam:
I am with you on this. What are the expectations of a SFG?

The Secretary to the Government of the Federation, is a top administrative post which represents the presidency (i.e. former cabinent office), to ministries and civil servants. His office is a focal point that coordinates all activities of the different arms of government, including the policies of various ministries & parastatals. He is also a member of the Federal Executive council which comprises of President, Vice-President, Ministers & other top presidential aides.

That is his office in a nutshell.

There is more info in this book:

The Office of The Secretary to The Government of The Federal Rebublic of Nigeria
by Ajulo S.B, published by Vantage Publishers, Ibadan. 1998.

adconline:
Laudate,  I wish  you can specifically tell me where I have insulted your non existing tribe (  remember that you are related to all the tribes in Nigeria except Igbos).

Good luck in your thinking that discussing Nigerian issues that alwys border on tribal lines makes one a  tribalist.

You have not insulted my "non-existing" tribe. Yet. Go back & check my response, because I do not recall stating that you insulted me.

You have only been sarcastic in a few of your responses.  Kindly do a quick recap of what The One said. He mentioned a few people (including you), who have a way of turning any debate, into an issue that pitches your tribe against other ethnic groups. His exact words were "Whatever the topic of the thread, it ends up as Igbos vs. Everybody else."

I agreed with him, because it is a trend that I have noticed on this site.

GNature:
Go and tour the whole of the south west, where is the evidence of this preference ? Even the road leading to his Ota farm is in a deplorable state.

Thank you o! The guy was always using helicopters to get to his farm in Otta. Now, I hope he will have to go through that Abule-Egba-Ifako-Alagbado-Otta road to get to his farm. May his tyres get stuck in the pot holes and may his shock absorbers get rattled by the bumps on the way!

docokwy:
Those newspaper guys you mentioned are all fake. They blow and bite you simultaneously. I never reckon with them as they rant for notice by any govt in power. If you know Diran Odeyemi, then you know what I mean. Perhaps Wole Soyinka, but isn't he one of the major cultist?

First, you said Yoruba people do not do self-criticism. Someone pointed out the fact, that they did. Then you claimed it was a 'first.' I gave you more examples to show that it wasn't the first time it had happened, but that it had been consistent, and this pattern had been on for a while. Now you turn round to say those people dishing out the criticism are 'fake'. Na wa o! By what standards do you judge who is 'fake' and who is 'genuine?'  

Oh, so because one journalist messes up, so in your view all journalists cannot be trusted? For your information, Dele Sobowale & Kola Animasaun are columnists. Sobowale is a management consultant who only writes a weekly column for Vanguard, while Animashaun sits on the editorial board, in addition to running his own thriving enterprise.  

Alright, since you say those ones are fake, what would you call Femi Falana the respectable Lagos attorney who has been a consistent critic of OBJ several times in the past few years?

docokwy:
Ugwuh is the one who indeed is greedy. Imagine Ugwuh wanting to be the PDP candidate for Imo state in a primary election he came a distant third. Obasanjo (Yoruba) propelled and deceived him. Ugwuh is the greedy one who learnt greediness from the Yoruba where he has lived all his life. He is angry because justice was brought to him by the supreme court.

Oh, the Yoruba taught Ugwu 'greediness'? Chei! Provide us with proof o!

macgozy:
TUFIAKWA, MBA, ARU, CHUKWU AJU, HOW CAN MY WIFE WHICH I SPENT CLOSE TO N1 MILL TO BUY WILL COME TO MY HOUSE AND BEAR HER LINEAGE NAME. NOT POSSIBLE

A SLAVE IS ALWAYS A SLAVE (SPEAKING ABOUT THE IGBO CULTURE WHICH REQUIRES You TO PAY HUGELY IF SHE'S A UNIVERSITY GRAD, LESS IF SHE JUST FINISHED SECONDARY)

Hehehehehe. . . . since when has a woman become a piece of property, that can be bought?

babyosisi:
Is descrimination unique to Igbos?
This osu thing is no way like what many non Igbos say.
I spent all my life in Igbo land and cannot tell you one family designated as an osu
not even one

How odd. So how come those of us who do not live in Alaigbo have seen families designated as osu & have even witnessed the discrimination they face from their Igbo brethren?

Tornadoz:
Chei chei chei!
I should have guessed I-man was 4play, they are never online at the same time. Hmm
Nice try , Lol.

Una just dey realise say na one and di same person dem be? Kai! Una dey slow o.

The elections are over, so the thread is closed.

docokwy:
Afam, I bu anu ofia. Ewu.

Afam, biko lets continue with the topic. Don't let this 'mumu' get under your skin with his pathetic round of insults. We all know he has nothing upstairs, in that empty barrel he calls a brain!

GNature:
Rather than appointing the likes of Kingibe, Yar 'Adua should take a cue from the accomplishments of OBJ's second term appointees so we can move this
country forward.

What really is the job of the Secretary to the Federal Government? Can anyone answer that? The portfolio requires someone who is conversant with civil service rules & regulations, procedures, activities etc. A career civil servant is best suited for the job. Not an academic from a Bretton Woods institution or any entrepreneur who feels by cutting corners to make a quick buck, he can achieve success on his own terms. As an SGF, you are meant to be seen & not heard. Implement the EO's (or Executive Orders), while using the F.I's (i.e. Financial Instructions) as a guide. Simple.

So wether the person is over fifty or under thirty is not the issue. Does he or she know what needs to be done, and is he or she willing and able, to do what needs to be done?

Afam:
MAMAJAMA should be included in any list that has to do with ethnic hatred as I was shocked to read some of his very disgusting statements concerning the Igbos as a tribe.

True. I agree. So should a few others who cannot see beyond their noses.

docokwy:
And the arse-lickers are?

Laudate
Afam
Donzie
TOH
Sisimose
AND YOU

Na who dey talk? You??  Everybody dey contribute sensible facts for here, yeye efulefu like you come dey open mouth? Say who die? Chei!! Why don't you cut the crap?

The One:
Anybody that wants to keep his/her sanity should stay away from any thread featuring xtycod, adconline, docokwy & donzman. Whatever the topic of the thread, it ends up as Igbos vs. Everybody else.

WORD!!! Preach it brother, pre-e-ee-each!!