₦airaland Forum

ebeledi:
i thought i answeresd the question from the phrase i gave but traditional igbo culture has no kings
they were had organized councils that dealt with the society apart from the nri society which is where the term eze came

Kindly be more explicit, please. You claim they did not have kings but organised councils, where the Eze came from? Isn't Eze the Igbo word for 'king'? Or am I missing something here?

adconline:
I wanted someone to ask these questions. Why did 19 northern states control over 68% of Abuja land. On what basis were they allocated with such properties? People are here rejoicing that Igbos own 75% of ABuja land. Why would Igbos continuously pay for their freedom in Naija. A plot of land was sold to northern govts at about N10, 000 and they in turn sold to Igbos @ about 5-10 million Naira per plot and we are here glorifying that Igbos have arrived. Northerners made millions without any sweat and Igbos toiled and borrowed money from banks to develop their properties so that the FCT will not revoke their C of Os.

Finally, the same government that sold and approved those areas for development came back and said that they were built on sewage systems bla blah. I wonder how much that was paid to these Igbo investors. By the way northerners have taken their money to the banks and Igbos are bearing the blunt of developing their plots and at the same facing FCT on demolition.

When was land in Abuja sold for 10,000 naira please to only northerners? Kindly get your facts right. Secondly, the houses of people from other tribes were also demolished, not just those of the Igbo.

And finally, land speculators do not discriminate. All they are interested in, is your money! If an Igbo was sold land for 5-10 million naira, were you told that an Igbirra, Yoruba, Efik, Ijaw, Itsekiri, Igala, Edo etc. was not sold land, for similar amounts or more? Were the Igbo forced to buy the land?

Please take a look at the list of those granted C of O certificates, and you will find people from several ethnic groups represented there. A neighbour of mine just bought land in Abuja for several millions of naira. He is NOT Igbo. So what is your point?

You also claim that Igbos toiled and borrowed money from banks to develop their properties so that the FCT will not revoke their C of Os. So those from other ethnic groups did NOT do the same? Why are you playing the ethnic card, on such a serious issue?

Donzman:
Umm not so actually, it is Nigerian land or at the local level, Lagos state Government. A Yoruba man has no greater claim to a piece of land in Lagos than a Calabar man, FACT!

The land belongs to the occupant, if he is Yoruba good, if he is Husa good, if he is Igbo good! Every Nigerian has the right to own land anywhere, recognize that. Infact, I have plans to cultivate some land in the deserts up North.

Kindly allow docokwy to answer the question himself. Why are you jumping to his defence? Your theory that every Nigerian has a right to own land anywhere, is not the issue here. That silly excuse that it is Lagos State Land, does not answer the question. So who are those at the helm of affairs at the government level in Lagos State? Iraqis? Please stop this shoddy attempt to water down the rabid hatred Docokwy has expressed for the South-West.

I must ask again: Docokwy has expressed his hatred for the people of the South-West many times, so why is he buying up land & making investments in their territory? Or has Lagos State stopped being a part of Yoruba land? This time, kindly let him answer for himself!

[quote author=Cute-ass]@ goodguy

thankyou joo

We've only heard from one party and that is not foundation enough to call anyody an idiot or mumu . . the name callings are so uncalled for in this situation, not to mention childish

Afterall the guy saw her "oldn(ness)" and has been there with her for so long they've dated. If he was so pertubed, he wouldn't have been there in the first place. Instead of people to search themselves or comunicate with their partners, they always take offence at the least.[/quote]If the guy had genuine intentions, then he should have made his feelings known in a more gentle, respectful way. He could have said, "Have you changed your make-up? I prefer the former one to this one. It doesn't make you look as pretty as you used to." I tell you, she would sit up quick, quick.

The guy doesn't need to put her down by claiming she is old, just to make her realise that something is wrong.

My guess is that he now has the "hots" for a younger, prettier lady, and he wants to pick a fight with her & disappear. Men have been known to give all kinds of excuses (from the outrageous to the ridiculously sublime) when they want to get rid of a lady.

Orinkinla, you are an Igbo man so why are you talking like this?

What kind of material will be used for the pre-fabricated houses? That is important. Nigerians need something that will provide a solid, structural shell and so far, concrete seems to be their preference. The Dolphin Hosing Estate in Lagos was built for the state government by an Israeli firm named HFP Engineering. Those houses were constructed using prefabricated concrete slabs.

The model being built by Cubic Homes also has a concrete mix, in it. If your model can incorporate durability & cost-effectiveness, please go ahead. There is an acute shortage of housing stock & if your units are moderately priced, you will have people beating down your door to get a piece of the action.

spoilt:
. if she trys it she'll know that butter is not the food of a monkey.

Hehehe!! Butter is not the food of a monkey?? Oh goodness, Spoilt, mind yahself o! 

You made me laugh so much today, that everyone was wondering what was tickling my ribs!

Tonim,

There's no need to get angry. Some people just can't help how they feel. 

And docokwy despite his rabid hate of the South-west, still finds it expedient to own property there, rent it out & rake in profit as part of the equation. Cool!

I guess he hates the people, but he loves their land!

sisimose:
well nothing wrong if he is rich enough to support you and have plenty for holidays etc.

Hehehehe!! I like that. Di guy must be a multi-millionaire, abi?

docokwy:
FYI, I bought them off an Igbo who said he bought them off a Bini man. I do no deals with Yoruba to avoid being stabbed at the back; and that area where my properties are is populated by non-Yorubas.

docokwy:
My response is a deserving one to a stupid post by laudate. He saw it coming

Erm, you have not answered the question. Wether you bought the land from a Bini man or an Ijaw man is not the issue. It is the location of the land that matters. It is still inside part of Yoruba land, not so? In case you have forgotten, my earlier question was:

laudate:
Are you sure you made the right move?  You cannot stand the south-western people, but you can buy land in their area as an investment. Something doesn't sound quite right.

We are waiting for the answer o!

McKren:
You might be right, but my problem with the NYSC thing is why we will as a Nation wait until people are 21-28 years before they begin to UNLEARN those biase. "do you honestly think any person who is more comfortable with his right arm right from birth will learn to prefer his left arm at age 20 or above"

The NYSC is not perfect, but it is a good start. If events & situations do not occur to make people question their beliefs or jettison their bias, tell me, how do you think it will occur? Do you assume such people will sleep & merely wake up one morning, to declare that they have seen the light? I think not.

Sometimes, when one is thrust into a totally different environment, one may need to re-think some of the assumptions one has held over time. Let me share a story.

Our orientation camp was held in a remote part of the South-West. One day, my friend & I went for a meal at a Mamaput joint, within the camp. I forgot my torch & a few valuables, after the meal. I searched everywhere, but that particular place, (I didn't even remember taking those things there), & finally gave up. The chances of finding those things were in my view, nil.

A few days later, the lady at the Mamaput started looking for us. She finally tracked me down & wordlessly handed over my torch & other valuables. She kept everything safe, down to the last naira & did not ask for a reward. I stared at her in shock. This woman was a poor widow trying to make ends meet, with a disabled daughter and two teenage sons. Her meagre takings from her catering joint could barely feed them, yet she didn't steal my stuff & refused to take any monetary reward or cash gift. She told me that she believed that she would find the rightful owner. And that if riches were to come her way, it wouldn't come through dishonest means. Ill-gotten wealth brings a curse in her view.

On my last day in camp, I handed over my best clothes to her, asking her to keep them in trust for her kids. And left with tears in my eyes. I wish I had been able to offer her, more.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=54829.msg1135279#msg1135279 date=1179855160]There are also a lot of people who come back the Service programme even more intolerant,making a mockery of the people of the area they served in.We don't know for sure that most people come back with more understanding and I think they don't.We don't need this programme[/quote]Maybe because those people did not leave for those areas with an open mind.

They already had a warped view or deep-seated prejudice, and merely sought for instances or events that would validate such prejudice.

[quote author=I-man link=topic=54829.msg1135233#msg1135233 date=1179854276]It took you untill you graduated to realise the farcical nature of ethnic myths?

I don't think it is proper for their to be a Govt programme for adult Nigerians to have "fun",meet friends and get "exposed" to different cultures .If you hadn't had enough fun,met enough friends and got your "exposure " by the time you graduate from University,its not up to the Govt to have a programme for you to do that.[/quote]It did not take me until I graduated, to realise the farcical nature of ethnic myths, Thou Sceptical, All-Knowing,  All-Wise One.

It took me (until I graduated), to experience a different culture, that I had heard so much about, but hadn't encountered directly. I had encountered other cultures, but not this particular one. There are several ethnic groups in Nigeria, not just the three or four that most people in my school, were used to.

If you feel it is not proper for a government programme to be in place for young Nigerians to gain exposure about different cultures, then that is your own opinion. And you are entitled to it. I feel differently.

A young man born in Uyo, who schooled in Port-Harcourt and spent most of his adult life in Calabar may never get up on his own to find out what Jalingo looks like, if he is not posted to Taraba state by the NYSC officials. I mean if he has no reason to leave his enclave,  why would he bother?


Most people prefer the familiar. Nothing wrong with that. They take refuge in it. And would hardly go out of their way to accomodate the 'unknown' (in fact, they may even reject it), if they didn't have a good reason to embrace that unknown entity. Some folks on the other hand, are naturally adventurous and inquisitive. For them, the unknown holds a queer fascination, and until they are able to demistify it & acquaint themselves with it, they would not relent. We are wired in different ways.  

For me, the NYSC provides people from different ethnic areas with a chance to live & interact with other groups from other parts of the nation. Other nations have universities & colleges that conduct cultural exchange programmes & excursions, for their students to see other parts of the world. Some people would even work as an au pair, because it provides them with a chance to learn a new language & a new culture. In Nigeria, we have NYSC. Travel by itself, is an education.

Every individual has a different story to tell. For me, it was fun.

I learnt new things, made new friends & was exposed to a different culture which I probably wouldn't have experienced if i had stayed in my zone. It helped me to debunk all those myths about how people from a particular area behaved & made me understand our differences & value them.

Strangers I didn't know, would dole out the little they had, to make me feel welcome. Every little activity was appreciated & celebrated. It taught me that poverty is a common denominator across Nigeria. No particular area is free from it. It also made me realise that human goodness resides in most human hearts, irrespective of ethnicity. And that vice does not recognise tribe & tongue. It rears its head in all places.

I made friends who are now like family to me. So I don't believe that I would advocate that the NYSC programme, should be scrapped.

There have been rumours (am yet to verify them), that some people seek a re-entry into the Youth corps programme after passing out, in order to be able to collect that allowance or NYSC monthly stipend. Simply because they are scared to face the unemployment market.

May God console the poor children she left behind!

zexyworm:
And a Dora Fani is certainly NOT. His is a rude idiot who twists the media in his favor.

FOR GOD'S SAKE HE ACCUSED SOMEONE OF SMUGGLING EXPLOSIVES ON A BELLVIEW PLANE, when it was found later that the exact same "explosives" were nothing more that fire crackers to be used in an event in Abuja. I'm not saying fire crackers are legal cargo, I'm saying Fani "coyote" should not have alerted the media about a NON-event, further planting horror in air passengers' heart following the 3 major crashes!

Fani "Coyote" is clueless about aviation. He is, however, very proficient in such activities as chest-beating, corruption, and bad-mouthing.

I agree he goofed with the explosives issue, but all these attacks from your end are simply an over-kill.

Come, na wetin di man take do you? First, you went on & on about how Demuren should have been appointed (don't know if he is your relative), now you turn round to call Fani-Kayode names. Na wa o!

First, the job of Aviation Minister or any other Minister for that matter, is a political appointment. If you are not a card-carrying member of the ruling party, forget it, you won't get there.

Secondly, all those technocrats at the aviation parastatals are supposed to be 'professionals,' whose expertise would be placed at the disposal of the minister. They are supposed to do their own jobs, so that the minister can do his. The job of a minister is merely to implement policy. Policies which have been crafted & laid out by professionals & technocrats. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to be able to do that.

docokwy:
It is not news that Igbo own so much in Abuja. El Rufai just restated what is obvious. The same also goes for Lagos. Continue in your childish denial while people are out there amassing fortunes for themselves. Even I own 2 plots of land in Lagos. What land do you own outside of the southwest?

Kai! Wonders shall never cease.  You decided to spend your money to buy 2 plots in the same South-west or Yoruba land (i.e. Lagos), whose indigenes you keep villifying, deriding and condemning . Who did you pay the money to? Chei!

Are you sure you made the right move? You cannot stand the south-western people, but you can buy land in their area as an investment. Something doesn't sound quite right.

[quote author=cute-ass link=topic=54672.msg1131223#msg1131223 date=1179705785]Now if you really love the guy, you better start being realistic Cos a lot is yet to come your way but its the "survival of the strongest"
[b][/quote]Ah, am lost! What do you mean by this?

ThiefOfHearts:
Dude, you still havent answered our question

Ebeledi, we are waiting o!

zexyworm:
Trying "hard" is not going to lead Nigeria places.

The Aviation minister should be a professional, not a jungle politician!

Anyhow, I see some people are just too rigid and have fell for this guy's media spin.

Pray tell, define what you mean by 'professional?'

Hasn't Nigeria had pilots in the guise of Airforce men at the head of the Avaiation ministry before? What happened then?

I agree with those with those who say the oil production companies may not be responsible for developing the Niger-Delta, but can anyone tell me why their activities have contributed so much to the degradation of the Delta? In international law, the 'polluter pays' principle is widely applied. So why has it been abolished in Naija?

In countries like Norway which have some of the strictest environmental standards in the world, these oil companies wouldn't get away with one-tenth of the things they do here. They prefer to flare gas, because it is much cheaper for them to do so, despite the fact that the gas pollutes the atmosphere & causes respiratory diseases & visual problems for the inhabitants of the Niger-Delta. How are we so sure that they would keep to the deadline to stop gas flaring by early next year? They have shifted the date so many times, its' appalling!

Another issue someone mentioned, was the flowlines & pipelines. Their pipelines get old & rusty, instead of replacing them before they ruptures, they do nothing. And when it ruptures, they are quick to take cover under the word 'sabotage.' _{Please note:} Am not saying there are no cases of wilful vandalisation caused by a few of the inhabitants, themselves.

I have learnt a lot from The One, Afam & Texazzpete on this thread. And I just want to commend you guys for your factual, well-researched pieces. I value every opportunity I get, to learn new things. And I must say that my mind has been enriched by the little I have seen here.

Thanks, y'all!

[quote author=I-man link=topic=54672.msg1130281#msg1130281 date=1179673474]@Topic

They marry only Biafrans[/quote]Are you serious??

ebeledi:
no culture is really the best but the igbo culture to me is the most unique
i mean how many cultures do you know who never had kings and were able to establish calendars, math, bank loans, etc.

Er, so where did the 'Obi' & 'Eze' titles come from then, if they never had kings?

ThiefOfHearts:
*sighs*

and what do tend to achieve with an instigating thread like this?

You know very well the other tribes are going to come along and start and then a dumb fight over the best culture will begin.

You are so right!!  

EVERY single tribe or ethnic group has its' good, bad & ugly sides.

There is no culture in Nigeria that doesn't have something good in it, that is worth celebrating.

Look at the Edo cultural attire for example. Those beaded head gears are just so beautiful. So are their bronze works. Check out the Igbo cultural displays, (e.g. the Atilogwu dancers) and their flutes. Wonderful, I tell you. Just like their proverbs. Look at the Efik cultural dress & their women. Amazing. Whenever I see a fully robed Efik or Ibibio man, the word 'regal,' always springs to mind. Their food, nko? You wan try? Once you have tatsed their delicious Edikainkong, afang etc. with pounded yam, ah, you will ask for a second round, over & over again.  

Then look at the Yoruba outfits & music. Those talking drums are something else. Don't let me even go into detail. Every event has its own proverbs & lessons. Then go to the North. Those Fulani girls in their belly-baring traditional clothes, are a sight to behold. The cold fura in their calabashes are tasty.The Babariga worn by their men, has become one of the most widely copied outfits, in Nigeria today. The intricate embroidery on each one, is a beautiful sight.

Erm, let me stop here. Talking about my country often makes me emotional.  

gugo:
U guys should not put ethnic colorations into this issue. I don't believe that a "people" is bad or good. That she is from Ikwere (niger-delta) and you are Ibo is meaningless (this has been the bane of the nigerian society). The matter should be dealt with purely on its merits. Perhaps the idea of involving EFCC sounds more appealing to me. As someone suggested, make sure u record your conversations with her. Then, u can head for EFCC. It is as simple as that. Even if she decides to destroy your certificates, u can always have an alternative.

Man mi, you dey talk like say you no sabi Naija people.  Especially some of di ones wey dey this nairaland. The minute anything happens to them, the first thing they spew out are all kinds of derogatory comments about a person's ethnic group. Some folks even go to the extent of putting up newspaper articles, in order to just ridicule an entire ethnic group. Articles that have very little to do with the topic under discussion o!

If an important issue is up for discussion, and someone's performance (let's say OBJ, for example) is being criticised, before you know it, that person's sins (wether real or imaginary) are suddenly seen in the light of his linguistic group or visited upon his tribe, and insults start flying around.

Their thinking goes like this: Mr. A hails from X ethnic group. And he has committed crime 'B'. Therefore, all members of Mr. A's ethnic group, are likely to behave like Mr. A, (don't ask me why!)
& must be seen as guilty of the same offence. It doesn't matter if they know Mr. A or not. It doesn't even matter if they are not even remotely related to him! They always forget that the good, the bad & the ugly exist in all tribes/ethnic groups or nationalities, and can be found even within their very own clan
!

Godfathern:
While aborting preg is immoral. the truth is, a guy who compelled his GF to abort series of preg and turn around to say that he can't marry her for that is inhuman, a monster and a fool. such wickedness is beyond comprehension because if she develops complications during the process, who does he want to carry such cross?

Well said!! Hope all guys can take a cue from this statement!

Godfathern:
And to you ladies. if you have taken in, let this be a lesson to you. don't ever agree for an abortion, because you have lost the hope of marring the guy by doing so. no matter the constraints just keep your baby, you will be glad you did.

Yes oh! Na God dey give pikin. Some people dey fast & pray for this kind blessing, but whosai? Make God just answer their prayer, sha.

Just to add to this: I know a couple who got married, because the lady got pregnant. That was over 22 years ago. Four months after the wedding, she gave birth to a beautiful little girl. Today, several years after the nuptials were conducted, they have not had another child.
Who knows what would have happened, if she had opted for an abortion instead?