₦airaland Forum

HeatSeeker:
There is no reason for me to lie. Nothing to gain at all. Why would I want to make IFA look ineffective? When I have actually seen it work.

The issue is not the system but with you priests!

The only legit spiritualist I have interacted with on Nairaland is HelpYourself.

He passed the test you just failed (with flying colours). As for the rest parading themselves

Then you should not have been saying it does not work when you have seen it work. That only can cause me to get wrong readings

HeatSeeker:
another spectacular miss.

Don't let people reading this thread disrespect the practice.

You might need to do more study on divination practices via the IFA system.

There is no way of knowing if you are telling the truth or if I made a mistake. Anyways, IFA is a tool for mining information and I have used it to get outstanding results

HeatSeeker:


You missed it completely...

Well there might be errors due to my own impatience but IFA also said your parents asked you to bring a fiancee and you are searching frantically for who to introduce to them

HeatSeeker:
I know what it is not. It is not science. The results it yields cannot be consistently and successfully replicated by different practitioners.

For example, you are from Osun state and I got that via IFA.

HeatSeeker:
If I use the same methods as you, will I get the same results?!

I have nothing against ODU IFA, but making claims about its scientific nature is just stretching the narrative. The results are always subjective, sometimes vague, and cannot be clearly defined. It is what it is. There is no need to claim it is something else to make it more valid and acceptable.

You don't know what IFA is. IFA is an information tool. It is a connection with your spirit.

HeatSeeker:
You can say there is a methodology to spirituality, just like in scientific disciplines, but to say that spirituality is science...

E no follow at all

Why?. I use IFA in a scientific way making spirituality a science for me. Any established divination method is a science

MaxInDHouse:
You don't get it.

My religion teaches that all those making life unbearable for themselves and neighbors will be exterminated {Psalms 37:9-11; Proverbs 2:20-22} so we need someone who will teach us how to avoid making life unbearable for ourselves and others around us.

The one and only human in the history of mankind whose teachings has proved to be WISEST is Jesus of Nazareth that's why his closest confidants back then called him God's Son! Matthew 16:16

So it's not that we condemn people rather we insist on the teachings of the world's most wonderful counselor of all time: Jesus of Nazareth! Isaiah 9:6

Jesus in reality was a racist Jew who dealt only with Jews and regarded Gentiles as dogs. He did not have a single Gentile disciple. He preached pacifism but we can not really call him a pacifist because he violently drove out traders from the temple etc etc.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know what it means to CONDEMN?

My religion teaches not to HATE nor KILL so in what way am i condemning?

Your religion says those who don't believe will cease to exist while those that believe will enjoy.paradise on Earth while a remnant will go to.heaven. Such should not be encouraged

HeatSeeker:
What is the point of this thread?

I am trying to demonstrate that spirituality is a science and thereby bring an end to religion globally.

MaxInDHouse:
The end of FALSE RELIGION is coming soon!

There is no true religion. So far you are condemning people to damnation for unbelief, you are false and dangerous for the society

scholes0:
As of today, there are no Binis or Nupes in Lagos because the few Benins or Nupes who came to the Lagos area haave already long assimilated into the larger Yoruba environment, becoming practically Yoruba themselves. They have fought wars and bled for Yoruba interests. Nobody sees them as anything but Yoruba except for mischievious 5th columnists.
It makes no single sense to still be calling somene with a single Benin or Nupe ancestor from the 1500s or 1600s a Benin person today, especially not when said persons have several dozens of Yoruba ancestors in their lineage/blood.

If we are to go by the same standard, then their so called Benin ancestor might actually be Yoruba, since so many of them actually have their roots in Ife dating to the period of intense Yoruba influence east of the Ose (ovia) river.

People fail to realize that the Benin that lived in the capital were Olukumi Yoruba and not Edoid people as they are today. Yoruba language was what held the empire together from one extreme to the other and not today's Benin language.

Maybe he lives in a high brow area

Irosun Irete

People like being governed.

This was the IFA cast for the nation whose population continued to swell from immigration despite that the workers are heavily taxed.
They were advised to sacrifice.
They listened and complied
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
They may not say it but people like being governed.

Note
Despite how people complain about taxation, the evidence is there that people like being ruled over and taxed. The most popular immigrant worker destinations on Earth are places where workers are heavily taxed with working under the table almost non existent. In Nigeria, the highest populated, most densely populated and favorite destination for workers and job seekers is Lagos where tax collection is most efficient among Nigerian states.

Iwori Oturupon
All I need do is worship only one God

Cast IFA for the religionists that think the worship of only one deity is an achievement.
They were advised to sacrifice.
They listened but they did not comply.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
How you treat others is the only thing that enhances your right standing with God and not the worship of only one deity.


Irosun Ogbe

It is when people live in a house that it is called a home.

Cast IFA for the land that need people on it to be called a nation.
It was advised to sacrifice.
It listened and complied.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
It is when hands of citizens are joined together that you have a nation.



Oturupon Owonrin.

When you die and reincarnate, the main thing you can lose is your language as you will be essentially the same person as the last time by age twenty four.


Otura meji.
True knowledge is as teachable as ABC, it is charlatans who say otherwise

Cast IFA for the Babalawo who can teach his methodology for signs and wonders to others.
He was advised to sacrifice.
He listened and complied.
On looking people of Po and Offa.
If I tell you what you ate yesterday, I can teach you how to do it yourself and that is why IFA is not a religion
It is with IFA that you can be as great as you desire.

Otura Ogbe

If God is interested in anything at all, it is in how you treat others. Not in how you abuse idolators.

Cast IFA for God who will align himself only with sensible people.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied



Ogunda Irete

What makes a gender is just clothes and make up.

This was the ifa cast for the person dressed as the opposite sex because they want to be the opposite sex.
They were advised to sacrifice.
They listened but they did not comply.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
Gender is a lot that you are stuck with. It can not be changed.


Note

If a man is caught in the public dressed as a woman or vice versa, it should be a punishable offense if not a crime because what exactly are you trying to achieve?. What you are trying to achieve may disturb public peace especially in places like rest rooms.



Odi Owonrin
I want you to believe because it is written


This was the IFA cast for the person quoting the Bible and shared to the person quoting the Quran to establish a point.

They were advised to sacrifice.
They listened but they did not comply.
Onlooking people of Po and Offa!.
Holy books are not peer reviewed works. They have not earned the worthiness of being quoted academically.


Note.

It is very rampant among religionists to be quoting their holy books as if they contain peer reviewed absolute truths. A religionist is the nightmare of the true academic. The Bible for instance is a compilation of works written by largely unknown authors but Christians will be quoting it as an authority. The same is true for the Quran which can be described as plagiarized from the Bible.

Irosun meji

The wealth of a nation is not in the minerals under the soil but in the hustle and bustle of the economy. The sheer number of workers and consumers that wakes up everyday in a nation is the wealth of the nation. Stop pointing to minerals that you have to sell to foreigners as what makes your country rich.


Irosun meji
When fire is stoked, the flame will be much

Cast IFA for atheism which grew big because religion grew big.
It was advised to sacrifice.
It listened and complied.
On looking people of Po and Offa
When you describe God as something less than a gentleman burning people for unbelief, many people will counter the existence of that God.

Our investment in Nigeria is more into religion

Inflated economies.

Burundi has the lowest per capita income on Earth at 308 dollars per annum and Luxembourg has the highest at over 140,000 dollars per annum. Those are the average amount spent by a single person in each country. The average person in Luxembourg spends more than 400 times what the average person in Burundi spends but the big and sad news is that there is poverty of different kinds in both countries. Both countries have beggars on the streets.

This is why the economy of Luxembourg and all high income countries on Earth can be said to be inflated. If in Ilesa, five thousand dollars can achieve in rent and services what fifty thousand dollars can not achieve in New York or Berlin then the economies of both New York and Berlin are inflated. It also means that the net worth of their high net worth individuals are inflated as well. It is why their high net worth people are the main people that can afford high end luxury goods on Earth.
For example, in Africa, the economy of the Republic of South Africa, RSA is inflated compared to Nigeria and Nigeria's is inflated compared to Ethiopia or Burundi. The root cause of the inflation is the free market driven cost of rent which drives up very sharply the cost of living.
The way to correct it is rent regulation or control. A government ministry in each country must be monitoring the cost of building materials and be dictating rent. If the cost of a car resting on ground does not change with location then the cost of a house resting on ground should not change just because it is immoveable and it can not be traded across borders.

Obara Otura
Taxation should not lead to starvation.


This was the IFA cast for the Magna carta that would ensure that the English can never be taxed to starvation.
It was advised to sacrifice.
It listened and complied
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
The Magna carta said the government can only take a bit of your income and only via your authority.

Note

The Magna carta is in force all over the world presently as the era of arbitrary taxation is permanently over. Personal income tax laws allow only an agreed percentage of income to be taken while the worker plan on the rest. In the past, if there are bad harvests, it can be possible to tax people to starvation.

Ogunda Osa
A newborn's expulsion from the womb signifies a new beginning

Cast IFA for the person who lost all so that great things can start.




Ogunda Osa
The labor pains of the mother signifies a new beginning.

This was the IFA cast for Oyo ile (Katunga) that must fall so that Ibadan, Ogbomosho, Ilorin, Oyo Atiba and etc would rise

Note.

Oyo Katunga was the massive capital of the Oyo empire which was burnt down by Ilorin and the people dispersed. It helped Ibadan to grow into a massive city and live its Ose meji destiny.





Oyeku Odi
The shadow can never leave its owner.

Cast IFA for the ancestors who will always be there for you even when you worship only Jesus and Mohammed.

They were advised to sacrifice
They listened and complied.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
It is only your ancestors that are always there for you.




Oyeku Ofun

A problem aiming to.behead one only succeeded in removing one’s cap.

This was the IFA cast for Akin Lawanson who was unemployed for years after surviving over thirty assassination attempts by the help of a USA led alliance.

He was advised to sacrifice.
He listened and complied.




Oyeku meji

I will do my best to resist the change.

This was the IFA cast for the person that continued to call IFA a religion even when they have been explained to why it is not. They are doing it to make the fight against religion unwinnable.

They were advised to sacrifice
They listened but they did not comply

Note
Nobody was practicing religion on Earth before Christianity. Nobody was preaching any spirituality as absolute truth while condemning dissenters to eternal torture in hell.

Okanran Otura

Bi ise o ba pe ni, enikan Kii pe ise

A difa fun Akin Lawanson ti yio wo wahala nitori ti o dawole ohun to yeki aadota milionu eniyan ni Nigeria da owo le.

Ebo ni won ni ko se
O gbebo o Rubo
KO pe ona KO jin
E wa ba ni lajase Ogun
Bee la ba ni lese Obarisa


Translation

When a task chooses you, you can not leave it unattended to.

This was the IFA cast for Akin Lawanson who got into trouble for doing the right thing in Nigeria that fifty million adults in the country should have been doing.

He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied.

Not long after that, meet us celebrating victory like Ogun

That is the state Awos meet at the feet of Obarisa.



Iwori Otura

A bird in hand is worth many in the bush.

This was the IFA cast for Chief Commander Ebenezer Obey on the day he was accosted by Muslims to not be drinking alcohol. He was told he should wait till heaven as alcohol will be plentiful there.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened and complied.
He broke into a song

Ma muti laye nbi. (twice)
Boya won Ki NMu lorun
Ma muti laye nbi

I will drink alcohol here on Earth (twice).
Because I don't know if it will be served in heaven
I will drink alcohol here on Earth.


Irosun Otura
The judge is as guilty as the accused

Cast IFA for the Muslim who is attacking people for worshiping idols while also killing people for desecrating an inanimate Quran.
They were advised to sacrifice.
They listened but did not comply.
On looking people of Po and Offa!.
Remove the log in your own eyes before helping another person remove the little piece of stick in theirs.




Ogunda ika

Religion leaves all the ills of the society to be preaching against idolatry. Idolatry is neither good nor evil. It is neutral. Bear it in mind that only a mad God will burn people in hell for idolatry.

Cast IFA for the government that banned all religious preachers from the public space.

They were advised to sacrifice.
They listened and complied.

On looking people of Po and Offa!.
God is not less than a gentleman.



Ogunda Oturupon

Believe or die

Cast IFA for the religious preacher who would go from house to house to preach damnation for unbelievers of their holy book even when those people did nothing wrong.
He was advised to sacrifice
He listened but did not comply.

MaxInDHouse:
I believe with my comments on this forum you will start to respect Jehovah's Witnesses anytime you see them in your neighborhood from now henceforth as you can see for yourself that instead of being dumb as you think they are the WISEST of all men on planet earth! Luke 7:35


May you have PEACE!

I did not say they are dumb. I said what they believe is dumb and that is true for all sects of religion

YoungBlackRico:
Nope, I do not agree. I've seen kids eating well balanced meal perform woefully and there are kids that just eat to get a filled stomach, they perform excellently. There are other factors aside food abeg.

A deficiency in say iodine can turn someone to an slowpoke and etc. Therefore food is important too

Kingsempires:
I understand but people fighting each other are people that are mislead

Holy books are designed to cause problems because different people will interprete it in different ways giving rise to hundreds of warring sects of Christianity and Islam.

MaxInDHouse:
You can't understand the SACRED SECRET when you turn your back on the only source that answer could be supplied.

The Bible made it clear that the only reason why people kill people in mass is POLITICS and not RELIGION but if you're not taught you will continue to get it wrongly thinking it's religion!

Religion turns people to robot and they become killing machines as a result. Jehovah witness believing they are peaceful is because they are yet to be tested by becoming majority in a country. If they become majority they will start persecuting unbelievers immediately. After all what they believe is dumber than what Catholics or Muslims believe

MaxInDHouse:
There you are making the mistake!

The title GOD connotes SUPREME BEING so if truly they are monotheists then their supposed God could have been so precious to them that the love they have for him/her/it should transcends whatever case they have among themselves.

So if somebody is collecting tax on my land as a King I should overlook it because we serve the same God?. Is that what you mean?.

Kingsempires:
like I said mention the monotheistic religion you know if Christianity, Muslim, Judaism are now monotheistic religion

Read my submission again. I said all cultures have names for the Father God according to their language and they never fought among themselves over God before Christianity. The belief in only one God is therefore primordial to human culture but they also have lesser deities. If you believe in one God and lesser deities, I think you still qualify as a monotheist especially if you are peaceful. It is the people who fight and kill each other that actually don't qualify.

MaxInDHouse:
I have discussed with many on this forum so i've known lawani for long, what he's trying to say is that all other religions don't fight among themselves the wordhipers of Abrahamic God.

But he's just deceiving himself because our people here in Africa have fought many wars killing and enslaving their own brothers and sisters yet they all worshiped or called on the same God.

For instance worshipers of Ògún, Obàtálá, Ọya, Ṣàngó and many more used to fight and kill one another due to land disputes and politics so where was there so called God/Gods back then?

Do you agree that all those wars were fought over territory, trade routes or markets and not over God?. They were not jihads or crusades. Religion is just an extra excuse to fight wars which did not exist before Christianity except maybe among Jews

okoroemeka:
So you really think processed foods like corn flakes noddles,etc are better than natural foods like rice,palm oil and bongs fish,your observations is based on emotional sentiments not actual science fact,the problem with those kids is not nutrition or genetically inherited,the environment you grow up moulds you to what you will be,take that dull kid and give him to an oga in onitsha for a 7 year business apprenticeship in a market full of smart boys and see what he will become

It is bad for any human being to be without basic education. What you are suggesting is not the right thing for anyone

Kingsempires:
ok you mean that Christianity, Islam, Jewish are monotheistic religion

Christianity and Islam are not from God. Jews don't preach to people. Therefore whatever they are doing is their business

MaxInDHouse:
The title "GOD" simply means SUPREME BEING which further connotes a RULER.
If you're a King there's no way those subjected to you under your domain can fighting among or against themselves as long as they all view you as their SUPREME RULER, whatever could cause such should be settled under you.

But in the case where you are the King and a fake king or rebel also seized a geographical location within your supposed domain then there will surely be dispute, fight and war between the two opposite sides.

So when you see people fighting and killing people at war know that they are not worshipers of the same GOD or they are worshiping FAKE GODS disguising as ONE!

That is why Christianity and Islam is bad news

Kingsempires:
ok for example?

All spiritualities except the Abrahamic ones don't fight over God

Yes because if you lack some things in your diet you will not develop well

Kingsempires:
so what's the scenario of your topic I don't understand where you are going

The people worshipping one God are those who don't fight among themselves

There is no polytheistic culture that does not have an overall deity that is above all others. They all have names for that entity. We can say it is non Abrahamic spiritualities that recognize one God since they don't fight amongst themselves. If you fight and kill yourselves, you can not be said to be worshipping one God. Shiites, Sunni, Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostal etc all do not see eye to eye.

International price is not up to that

Standing5:
Will they hear wisdom?

They will eventually hear